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Yes its Rtv sealant, smells like vinger.
Lucky you Ad, mine xe ones didn't even after doing one in the car while it was snowing around me with the old sh*te 2 cork gaskets.
No mate, the cement stuff isn't rtv. It doesn't smell of vinegar (lol) it's the stuff used to glue sumps on, when there is no gasket. ie steel pan to alloy block etc.
Nova_Tek
04-03-10, 10:29 PM
The rad is thicker than the normal Gsi one but only by a few mm (say 5ish)
I run two 7inch fans, because i want them on the front for the cleaner look.
You could run i'd think a 8 or 9inch fan on the back, plus one on the front if you where worried. Depending on where the ic fits and all that.
As i've said, i'm still two minds on the bra, the flat work as wind brakes to hold it down and tight to the bonnet.
It looks a tad thicker. I asked as those two fans look a decent size. I could go for 1 large fan but need to check out how much room I'd have left. The IC will probably be mounted slightly higher than normal due the the front being a snowplough so that will have some bearing on what size fan, inside or out and how large.
:thumb:
No mate, the cement stuff isn't rtv. It doesn't smell of vinegar (lol) it's the stuff used to glue sumps on, when there is no gasket. ie steel pan to alloy block etc.
Oh that stuff, Fiat use it. If it comes it yeah i'll have a tube.
It looks a tad thicker. I asked as those two fans look a decent size. I could go for 1 large fan but need to check out how much room I'd have left. The IC will probably be mounted slightly higher than normal due the the front being a snowplough so that will have some bearing on what size fan, inside or out and how large.
:thumb:
I'd rather have a bit bigger fans, but they work very well and keep the car happy. Cut the cross member and you can mount it as low as you want. Wish i had gone a bit lower, but its right in the mouth so gets good air flow.
Ah so not just mine.. Will yours leave a small puddle when parked tho?
not really, an odd drop from time to time, but ive never noticed an affect on the oil level, it leaks feck all really. and mine spends most of its time running in the shed and no puddlelol
on another note, any other nova id be iffy on the bra, but on this i thinks it looks good:thumb:
scott.parker
04-03-10, 11:58 PM
That's very much what i'm thinking, Scott said a few pages back about running some along the join on the out side.
It dont look pretty, but it's worked, i had small leaks all about the sump even after i replaced mine and put the short bolts in, and then i got small leaks from the cooler pipes and a bit at the back of the filter too, so i just got pissed off and smeared the sealant ALL over and joint! lol
not really, an odd drop from time to time, but ive never noticed an affect on the oil level, it leaks feck all really. and mine spends most of its time running in the shed and no puddlelol
on another note, any other nova id be iffy on the bra, but on this i thinks it looks good:thumb:
Yeah see mines been in the garage since Sunday, and there's a puddle about 2inch wide under it. But the oil level don't go down ....
It dont look pretty, but it's worked, i had small leaks all about the sump even after i replaced mine and put the short bolts in, and then i got small leaks from the cooler pipes and a bit at the back of the filter too, so i just got pissed off and smeared the sealant ALL over and joint! lol
Just done it. Cleaned it with brake cleaner then smeared it on over the joins all round and used my finger to even it out. Looks poo, but leaking looks worse.
krobinson
05-03-10, 07:24 PM
Mine would drop a penny sized amount over a weekend, nothing for me to care or worry about. I could probably make it worse changing the gasket!
let_nova
05-03-10, 07:31 PM
what size fans are they on you rad ben?
Mine would drop a penny sized amount over a weekend, nothing for me to care or worry about. I could probably make it worse changing the gasket!
Oh right about the same as mine then.. Is just messy. Underside looks worse.. but keeps it protected..lol
what size fans are they on you rad ben?
As said about 7 times, they are twin 7inch.
Held a 4pot in place and can see why you need these discs with a huge off set...
Been trying to work out the discs for the 4pots. So measure everything get out the brake book...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8806.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8807.jpg
Think i've found one that fits...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8808.jpg
Sadly this is as far as the can be fitted.. :(
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8817.jpg
Ah can see why you need a huge offset on the discs..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8818.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8819.jpg
Need to trim my hubs down tho then i can try fitting the discs
As the Rolling road is next weekend, the front needed to be raised up a little just incase..
Started off with 40mm of thread left showing..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8821.jpg
Wound it up a bit *vom* 50mm..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8823.jpg
After the RR i can wind it right down, haven't tested how low it will fully go.
Also i got all my interior bits back in too..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8812.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8811.jpg
Got my new gear gator fitted too :) matches the seats...(black leather white stiching)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8815.jpg
nova1992
06-03-10, 06:59 PM
Love the interior good work,
craig green
06-03-10, 07:04 PM
Poverty spec round knob!!
Did you ever fit the side mouldings for the seats I sold you Ben?
Round knob? What gear knob? What else would be fitted? IS a 4speed one too..lol And no haven't fitted them, but will soon.
Cheers 1992.
djbrowney
06-03-10, 07:53 PM
i want my car done, you make me sick lol
You love it. And get it finished and wheres my brace.... lol
djbrowney
06-03-10, 07:58 PM
your worse then a woman lol
Looks good!! Wheres the RR at?
Dj told you i hate having to wait, i burn my topunge alot too.
Ad:
JKM in portsmouth. Sbd rob had his Astra dynoed there and the figure was good so we thought we'd try them.
novalovingned
07-03-10, 11:58 AM
Interior looks very nice mate :)
scott.parker
07-03-10, 12:00 PM
Is it my imagination or can anyone els see what looks like blue/gray SR/SRi strips on the sun visors??
Scott
Is it my imagination or can anyone els see what looks like blue/gray SR/SRi strips on the sun visors??
Scott
Aye looks like theyre rattle canned, might try that or cutting a section from an old GSi seat cloth and sticking it in place of the blue/grey i reckon.
Interior looking good Benn, needs another seat switch on the drivers side though lol
Cheers Novalovingned.
Scott, they are blue sr visors, you can only see the blue with the flash on. If you look at them, you cant only see the patten not the colour.
Spud, the center bit isn't in all the way. As i wasn't sure which way the window switches pluged in.. Took a guess and got it wrong. Have both buttons don't worry.
Really don't like the way it drives with the front raised up. Its really light and doesn't feel connected to the road right. Spun it up big time in 2nd and 3rd while playing with a new turbo Vw Scirocco.. Which was surprisingly fast.
It is possible to alter grip levels with ride heights, as you say raising it tips the grip the other way, I'm not sure of the exact mechanics or whether it's purely because you're effectively tipping the CoG a few mm/cm back!
Either way i don't like it!
Gonna wind then right down after the RR day.
Nova_Tek
07-03-10, 08:51 PM
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8812.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8811.jpg
Benn... how is your roof lining secured in place? Have you just retrimmed the lining in the same way it left the factory (held up by metal support bars) or have you directly stuck it to the roof skin and contoured it around the beams?
It look very tidy. The roof lining I did many years back has faded at the rear due to the Nova not having any tints in the glass. So I'm considering what to do and yours looks great.
Its a copy of the std one, so the bars hold it up. Then i've used spray glue on the edges where it holds around under the door rubber.
Mine has a sunroof so it couldn't be stuck to the roof.
Nova_Tek
07-03-10, 09:45 PM
Right gotcha. I was actually thinking about sticking mine to the skin and moulding it around the roof beams. Help to lose a bit of weight and probably be easier to clean. Mine has a sunroof too. I'd have thought some carefull trimming would sort that out.
If you didnt have a sunroof then yes you could just stick it straight to the roof.
Weight saving? It weights about 2pounds... The sunroof cassette is about 15kgs...
The sunroof cassette is foam covered, so glueing on that would be a ****. then you'd have to builds the sides up to meet the center too..
Nova_Tek
07-03-10, 10:12 PM
Sorry man, forgot to add that my sunroof is different though not a factory GM one :tard: . Mine was an aftermarket Solarsport sunroof jobbie. When you take the lining off you can see the full roof skin as you would with a non-sunroof car. But obviously there's a whole filled up by a sunroof.
Ah then yeah you could stick it straight to the roof, and shape it by hand over the lumps and bits.
nova_niek
08-03-10, 10:15 AM
Best thing you can do is just clean both surfaces, and use a new 8v gasket.
If it still leaks, then join the rest of us LET owners, it's hard to come across a LET owner who doesnt have some form of Leak!
Over the past years, I've been doing quite a few motorbike engine overhauls. Same problem with leaky sumps (yes even on Jap bikes). Most people try to overcome this using lots of cheapo silicone sealant or comparable stuff and doing up the sump bolts to the point where they nearly break. Doesn't always work.
Best cure against drippage is to (indeed) thoroughly clean all mating surfaces, use proper gaskets (not sure which ones are best for XE sumps) and tighten all sump bolts to the specified torque. And yes, a thin film of Würth Silikon Speciale 250 (German stuff) works a treat,
Hope this helps,
Niek
dj_wudgey
08-03-10, 10:41 AM
looking good matey i think the car bra looks well also!!
Over the past years, I've been doing quite a few motorbike engine overhauls. Same problem with leaky sumps (yes even on Jap bikes). Most people try to overcome this using lots of cheapo silicone sealant or comparable stuff and doing up the sump bolts to the point where they nearly break. Doesn't always work.
Best cure against drippage is to (indeed) thoroughly clean all mating surfaces, use proper gaskets (not sure which ones are best for XE sumps) and tighten all sump bolts to the specified torque. And yes, a thin film of Würth Silikon Speciale 250 (German stuff) works a treat,
Hope this helps,
Niek
Cheers for the info.
I made sure all the surfaces where ultra clean. And used all gen VX parts this time to see if it helped.
looking good matey i think the car bra looks well also!!
Cheers dude.
Car in the garage washed and clayed. Gonna get a full buff up, polish and wax and then i can try my new sealant.
A big thank you to Dan for his help mocking everything up and a trail fitting on his GTE.
Now an even bigger thanks to Pete. Who spent this afternoon doing some machining for me.
So i turned up at Pete's house/Garage with all this..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8824.jpg
Pete started off getting the hubs stripped down.. Ooo look at this size of his spanner.. lol
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8839.jpg
Bearing removal thingie.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8825.jpg
Needed a bit more grip.. Carefully does it!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8827.jpg
Now on to the fun bit.. Lathing.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8830.jpg
The outer of the hub needed about 2mm shaving off and about 4mm from the center (to make it all the size side, no step)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8835.jpg
Got my new disk to test fit.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8828.jpg
Looks like the kittie. As the disk is for Vag car it's got a few holes, lucky it lines up with the 5stud hub :)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8838.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8840.jpg
Bit of mocking up..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8841.jpg
Oooooooo hello!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8842.jpg
Bit of a gap on the rear..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8844.jpg
Bit its a nice fit on the front :)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8845.jpg
Shame you cant see the name tho.. New wheels would sort that tho... ;) lol
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8846.jpg
With that sorted, i know what i need to buy to finish(a small spacer and 10mm longer bolts)
Pete pressed the other hub and bearing out.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8848.jpg
Inner of the hub thats turned down to fit the Nova bearing.. All perfect after 5k of abuse.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8850.jpg
Screw buying disks from Rally Design.
Once again a huge thanks to Pete (pitstoppete)
Looking good Benn, No recent pics of Pete's Cav?
djbrowney
14-03-10, 06:58 PM
cracking results mate, why not buy some studs and nuts would make things much easier !
Looking good Benn, No recent pics of Pete's Cav?
Cheers dude, i wanna do a photo shoot with Pete soon as he's beautied up the front end.
cracking results mate, why not buy some studs and nuts would make things much easier !
I did have some, but didn't like the way you did them up. If i can i'll sort out a fixing screw for the disk.
Good work :)
Cheers dude.
sparkie1401
14-03-10, 08:09 PM
well done Benn, you always seem to find the answers !!!!!!!!!!!!
what brake disc did you end up using and what size?
was they correct centre bore?
Its a Vag fitment disk. The center bore was 5mm out. The hubs have a thicker bit on the inner part. It had to be turned down.
Disk is a 280mm like the ones that come in the kit.
Nice job on the brakes. I love your car!
:) Thank you Sir.
Need some longer bolts.. Ggrrr i cant find any.
Awesome mate. Keep raising that bar!
Small up date.
Big big thanks to my dad and Dan.
My Dad got me the longer bolts i needed for the brakes, they came today. So had a bit of a dash on to get everything on and working so i can go on the rollers tomoz..
Gonna get some better spacers made up as at the mo i have two thick washers in there. But got everything up and sorted.
Then Dan popped over and gave me a hand bleeding the brakes up.. Not that easy getting to the bleed nipples on these Wilwood calipar's tho. After a bit of messing about got that sorted and took it for a test drive.
They work much much better than the 284mm. I need to remove the travel out of the pedal a bit tho...
blue_peg_16v
19-03-10, 11:11 PM
i have the same problem with the pedal think im going to try upgrading the mastercylinder
djbrowney
19-03-10, 11:20 PM
i have something for you benn
The Simps
19-03-10, 11:23 PM
i have something for you benn
I've tried that line before mate and it just doesn't work on Benn. Even tried adding a wink.
djbrowney
19-03-10, 11:24 PM
i have something he want though lol your were just trying to be gay and failing lol
The Simps
19-03-10, 11:26 PM
:(
i have something he want though lol your were just trying to be gay and failing lol
He didn't fail at gay? :confused:
djbrowney
19-03-10, 11:51 PM
why, your ring still hurt lol ^
Fair play, game set and match tbh, I have no response, at least not without dragging the IQ level of the whole thing down lol
djbrowney
19-03-10, 11:55 PM
wow that was easy, i wish you was my missus lol
sorry for spaming your thread benn x
wow that was easy, i wish you was my missus lol
Cos her ring doesn't hurt, or was that an offer?
I am also sorry about spamming your thread, but I had a response this time lol Nice work on the brakes, "Go and Shine" ftw :d
~~joycey~~
20-03-10, 02:05 AM
Looking better than ever mate! Saw you last weekend near burlsedon lol
i have the same problem with the pedal think im going to try upgrading the mastercylinder
I have GSI stuff on there so that's ok, just need to remove the travel.
i have something for you benn
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo i want i want!
I've tried that line before mate and it just doesn't work on Benn. Even tried adding a wink.
But you said i had to sit in your lap to get it.. I didn't like it.. It felt funny.lol
i have something he want though lol your were just trying to be gay and failing lol
He did fail:d I want what you have tho... Get on msn too.
Looking better than ever mate! Saw you last weekend near burlsedon lol
Cheers dude, last weekend? Or the one before? Popped over to Dave's. No spotted pics?
blue_peg_16v
20-03-10, 10:09 AM
i have gsi too but think i might go to cavalier stuff
All Nova master cylinders are the same so you would need one off a bigger Vauxhall that ran bigger brakes to start with.
The Nova one isn't big enough bore so takes more pressure to move enough fluid, hence the long pedal.
Cav one wont just bolt on, the pins are offset on ever other mc i've seen.. Bar a Nova.
Went on the Rollers this morning...
Made 208 brake (std power so happy with that) but at down on toqure, the op said it was a bit laggie and might be better on a mbc...
The Simps
20-03-10, 06:34 PM
Its obviously an old engine too tho mate so i'd be pleased with that.
Now uve got man size brakes its time for some phase 2 chips - that'll sort ur low torque problem ;)
lol eds fase 3, or a vmaxx evo310 setup ;)
krobinson
20-03-10, 08:29 PM
Phase 2 FTW!
Then some spare gearboxes!
discoinferno
20-03-10, 08:34 PM
if your on an f20 then i would stock some spare if your upping the power!:thumb:
208 is respectable for 100k mile std engine!!!!
haven't forgotten the sealer dude, just been busy.
I'd be pleased with 208 too!
Benn, didn't R1CH run a bigger mc and servo on hs let? possibly from a cav?
edit, yep.http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/ricmetcalf/Nova/DSC00928.jpg
Nova_Tek
20-03-10, 08:47 PM
Sounds like a good result that Benn. If I get that much from my LET I'd be happy.
John, Rich had to cut and weld the bar bit that sticks out the back you push in..
I am happy with the power, very really, only a bit of smoke on over run.. But am 30lbs down i'd like back...
there is this thing with an carlton 3.0 servo and a astra mk2 GTE cilinder.
that seems to be a great combo and fits almost directly.
if you want i'll dig up the guy's thread.
Do it!
Early mk2 Astra gte's without abs are ment to be a direct fit. But i got one and it wasn't.. But i cant be sure it was right..
carlton/omega dual chamber servo with a astra mk2 gte master cilinder.
to be exact, a servo from an omega A 3000, with the early astra mk2 gte (no abs) cilinder.
but that had a bit to much power on the rear on a brake test computer.
other setup is the full Lucas setup from an omega B. but that has abs, so you need to place an extra splitter for the front and an adjuster and splitter for the rears.
Count Vaux Alot
21-03-10, 09:32 PM
Looking good dude well done on the rollers!
carlton/omega dual chamber servo with a astra mk2 gte master cilinder.
to be exact, a servo from an omega A 3000, with the early astra mk2 gte (no abs) cilinder.
but that had a bit to much power on the rear on a brake test computer.
other setup is the full Lucas setup from an omega B. but that has abs, so you need to place an extra splitter for the front and an adjuster and splitter for the rears.
Christ some one did some work, i adjusted the pedal to day, remove a turn of travel. Brakes are much much better now.
Looking good dude well done on the rollers!
Cheers dude, shame you couldn't come.
Vid.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/SC%20Meets/th_20-03-2010013.jpg (http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/SC%20Meets/?action=view¤t=20-03-2010013.flv)
A good result from the dyno run dude..... cars looking as good as ever. Hope to meet it in the ring again this year. ;)
Nick.
Cheers Nick, beat me again and i'll cut you...lol
Count Vaux Alot
21-03-10, 10:08 PM
Cheers dude, shame you couldn't come.
I wish i had a car to come in...soon maybe :)
dj_wudgey
22-03-10, 12:23 PM
looking good on the rollers fella!!
Cheers Nick, beat me again and i'll cut you...lol
lol ...... If I came second to your motor fella it would be an honour anyhow! It would be nice If my new motor was deemed good enough to represent a stand this year and we had chance to go at it again. ;)
Nick.
I'd be happy with that..lol
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Small update.
Found a cool place to take pics, so thought i better take a few..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Days%20out/me5.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Days%20out/me3rs.jpg
Dropped the front back down on sat, but now the rears abit high so will change that in the week.
Also adjusted my boost up quite alot on sat. As i noticed after the RR day that its wasn't holding boost that high. Thanks to Dan for the fun we had hooning then stopping and adjusting it then more hooning then stop and adjust again. Hold holding under over 10psi and over boosting to about 12 ish.
The Simps
28-03-10, 10:30 PM
Looking grand benn, where's the bonnet bra gone?
Ah 10mm spanner and not getting burnt at the side of the road fun! Brings back memories.
shaun larnder
28-03-10, 10:35 PM
Yep, many a late night with the 10mm spanner playing with boost :d
Looking very smooth Benn.
Looking grand benn, where's the bonnet bra gone?
Ah 10mm spanner and not getting burnt at the side of the road fun! Brings back memories.
Cheers Si :)
Washed it(car) and just haven't put it back on..lol Was drying out in the garage need to give it a tickle with the Gliptone leather care.
Did all my seats on sat too, smells so lush in there now...
And yep you know it.. Warms the spanners up nice..
Thank you very much Shaun.
Nova_Tek
28-03-10, 10:38 PM
Did you repaint your rims? thought they were mirror polished.
Car looks good benn, the colour looks a little darker than other photos ive seen.
Tek-hes got 2 sets.
craig green
28-03-10, 10:51 PM
Did you repaint your rims? thought they were mirror polished.
Summer wheels are polished. :thumb:
Nova_Tek
28-03-10, 10:52 PM
2 sets? Furrymuff!
Benn, ever considered removing your side repeaters? Would really suit the car imo
NovaLad
28-03-10, 11:41 PM
I'd love to own your car Benn...
1 of my all time favourite novas!
Car looks good benn, the colour looks a little darker than other photos ive seen.
Tek-hes got 2 sets.
Its wasn't that sunny, so i've adjusted the pics, might be making them look a lil darker than it should.
And yeah i have 2sets of turbo rims. Well almost 3 (i have 9-10 of them..lol)
Benn, ever considered removing your side repeaters? Would really suit the car imo
No, i wanted to keep them for ease, and the flushed in ones make it all the more trick.
I'd love to own your car Benn...
1 of my all time favourite novas!
Thank you very much, means alot.
Ease of...? All personal preference of course just something I've always thought looked really good and suits the all round smoothness of yours :d
Yeah ease, no messing about come Mot time.
If you look inline with them you can only see a few mm sticking out the top of them..
Yeah ease, no messing about come Mot time.
If you look inline with them you can only see a few mm sticking out the top of them..
It passes the MOT rules fine, mine was not even mentioned and a lot of other things were.
have you been pulled over yet for no front number plate?
It passes the MOT rules fine, mine was not even mentioned and a lot of other things were.
Different tester, different rules. I've had mine failed on the bulbs being to red (pre recessing)
have you been pulled over yet for no front number plate?
No, was warned it might be best to move it by a plastic police man tho, as you cant really read it thru the wiper arms..
Different tester, different rules. I've had mine failed on the bulbs being to red (pre recessing)
"Too red" is an opinion though, he can't really argue with "can see the bulbs from 1m away standing level with the front of the car"! If he did slap him and get a metre rule out lol
Looking good Benn, the silver suit it much more imo
looking good Benn! whats happened to the wipers? the blades look to long and wonky? lol
I have to say, this is an AWESOME ride. Really like the understated appearance. Keep noticing different things each time I look.
discoinferno
29-03-10, 10:39 PM
one of the best novas on the scene today :) in my top 5 for sure
"Too red" is an opinion though, he can't really argue with "can see the bulbs from 1m away standing level with the front of the car"! If he did slap him and get a metre rule out lol
Simps had to stick ones on to pass his...
Looking good Benn, the silver suit it much more imo
Cheers dude, they are alot easier to work with, no water marks and polishing up.. Just a quick wipe of wax. You not like the polish ones as much?
looking good Benn! whats happened to the wipers? the blades look to long and wonky? lol
Thank you Sir. The linkage is still a work in progress even tho it works.. It needs tweaking here and there, the drives side one hits the rubber and when you get above 110mph it lifts totally off the screen...lol Which isn't helpful.
The angle that the spindles come thru the scuttle needs a tweak and i think it will sort it. Got anther here i can work with.
They are 19" which is perfect tho.
I have to say, this is an AWESOME ride. Really like the understated appearance. Keep noticing different things each time I look.
Thank you very much, means alot. :)
one of the best novas on the scene today :) in my top 5 for sure
Thank you very much, things like that keep it worth doing.
sparkie1401
30-03-10, 09:31 AM
lloking cool as usual benn
have you fitted your heated front screen yet?
mine should be in this week hopefully
oh and mr browny has good news for us = WIN
No, as i'm getting the roof painted so it will go in then. Do they need to be bonded to the rubber?
And i know i paid for mine last night..
sparkie1401
30-03-10, 07:40 PM
No, as i'm getting the roof painted so it will go in then. Do they need to be bonded to the rubber?
And i know i paid for mine last night..
cool im paying for mine tonight hopefully just waiting for a PM back
im not sure and ill ask Ricky when i get there, as he said something to graham D, i think its more to seal moisture from getting into the screen but im not 100%
oh and your thread needs some of thislol
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj128/sparkie1401/n687443839_1054852_5707.jpg?t=1269974406
Love dont HATE
That's what i mean, just need to know if the rubber needs bonding on.
And no it dont. I will hate.
Cheers dude, they are alot easier to work with, no water marks and polishing up.. Just a quick wipe of wax. You not like the polish ones as much?
tbh no, imo they look a little OTT/blingy, whereas the silver ones give it more of classy touch...but each to their own :p
I do like the silver ones too. Cheers Mazz.
Did a few bits over a nice long relaxing weekend..
This is where the rear was sitting.. Wound it up ages ago..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8876.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8877.jpg
Bit of a twist and its now..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8884.jpg
I might ordered some shorter springs, not really to lower it more. But to raise the platforms to give the shock pistons more room to move..
Rolled it out side..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8886.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8885.jpg
Sitting abit lower now its moved and settled, the rim lip is now inline with the arch lip.. Which is about right..
When i mounted my battery in the boot it was strapped down, but one wasn't enough as it could slowly sliding to the left so.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8881.jpg
Dont move now, now the straps are screwed down, but the screw heads where rubbing on the bottom of the battery, which isn't good. So i made a little seat.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8882.jpg
Wiped my back box off too, still comes up good
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8879.jpg
Beam and disk shields good a good clean up and paint tho,
Nova_Tek
05-04-10, 09:28 PM
Nice ride height Benn. It's sitting well :thumb:
connor c
05-04-10, 09:29 PM
the height looks nice benn
Its move level now with the front a bit lower so i'm more happy now.
novaguy08
05-04-10, 09:52 PM
Dude, is your rear suspension setup the ONLY rust on your car?
Not rust on the coilovers, just the beam and disk cover things are a bit sh*tty.
Should of had it powered coated when i first built it... Remember kids don't rush your rebuilds.
dj_wudgey
05-04-10, 10:13 PM
looks good mate beter lower though lol i like the wheels but i dont know what look best the polished one's do look good!!
djbrowney
05-04-10, 10:14 PM
you took you back box of to clean it ?
wtf lol
Cheers Wudgey.
Browney, no, i did it on the car, just needed a wiper over :)
The Simps
05-04-10, 11:25 PM
Good work as always dude.
One thing tho, shorter springs won't give you more travel tho. All it does is move the platform up (assuming you want the same ride height. Think of it this way - if you've lowered your car so its on the bump stops for example, and the adjuster is at the bottom of the thread. fitting a shorter spring won't mean it will go any lower.
To create more piston travel at that ride height you will need to raise the top mounting point (or lower the bottom).
:beer:
Cheers Si, yeah Mr 303 said almost the same.. Wasn't really thinking in to it that well..lol
still looking good mate..
Cheers Chris,
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Got this today... What ever could it be? lol
Oooooo custom..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8890.jpg
Am enjoying that..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8891.jpg
Needs a tickle tho..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8893.jpg
Once that's done its going to be polished..
Big thanks to Djbrownie.
auzzy-b
07-04-10, 09:58 PM
Cool! i noticed you never had one? need to get one myself as mine doesnt fit with the xe in now..
I've always used my Sparco one, but it wont fit with the top hat cover.
You cant find the the Fearless brace for love nor money so...
djbrowney
07-04-10, 10:02 PM
looks good buddy, im sure you cat remove the standard studs and fit bolt through the hole rather than adjusting the brace ??
I did wonder that, but wasn't sure... Cant take the car to bits again its only just back together...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8891.jpg
whats this offending article on the top of your slam?
you cant use your pristine car as a tool tray!! lol
strut brace looks tidy too.
let_nova
07-04-10, 10:03 PM
sweet, i want one lol
Brucer, its a screw driver...:confused: lol Normal would be sitting on the black part of the grille.
Been thinking for a while that i fancy for vents putting in to the bonnet, to help get the heat out and i like them.. Now they'll be pressed down ward so they are smooth from the top (a must) and will match the wing vents..
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/SOUTHIE01/BENNMigweb2010NOscoop.jpg
Liking this alot.. Will only have a row each side, not the ones in the middle..
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/SOUTHIE01/BENNMigweb2010louves2.jpg
What do ya think...
Big thanks to Southie for the ps.
i,d go for flushed saphire 4x4 cossie vents or,courtenay had a nice minuture set if u can find them,oh in get them cav rims removed there well boring :eek: looked better with speedlines
Vents would look cool, and they serve a purpose.
Pistol Pete
07-04-10, 10:33 PM
Hmmm, not too sure. Might look to "venty" if that makes sense? EDIT: just seen the other replies...what vents did (cant remember the reg, the dark green minter) have on it? They would look cool.
Strut brace will look hot when polished up. I had a similar issue with the fitting of mine. Not enough thread to put nuts on. I used longer bolts, intended to mig them to the strut tops, but i guess these are stainless??!! In the end had to do a minor bit of engineering to get them on!!
Brace looks well in the bay.
Might be worth removing the pic with your address in...........
what vents did (cant remember the reg, the dark green minter) have on it? They would look cool.
K85 VHD.
Preety sure there custom/old school vents that are uber hard to find, plus there sat on top of the bonnet, IIRC anyway.
Pistol Pete
07-04-10, 10:38 PM
Thats the one. I thought the were 4x4 cossie vents?
Thats the one. I thought the were 4x4 cossie vents?
You might be right, cant remember now lol
i,d go for flushed saphire 4x4 cossie vents or,courtenay had a nice minuture set if u can find them,oh in get them cav rims removed there well boring :eek: looked better with speedlines
I dont like them vents, to rounded shape, when every thing else is square and boxy, Speedline's are frigging sh*te. I hated them when i had them on it. Way to common.
Vents would look cool, and they serve a purpose.
:)
Hmmm, not too sure. Might look to "venty" if that makes sense? EDIT: just seen the other replies...what vents did (cant remember the reg, the dark green minter) have on it? They would look cool.
Strut brace will look hot when polished up. I had a similar issue with the fitting of mine. Not enough thread to put nuts on. I used longer bolts, intended to mig them to the strut tops, but i guess these are stainless??!! In the end had to do a minor bit of engineering to get them on!!
Yeah Aw's just said about swapping the studs on the top mounts.
You think to much ventage? Even with only 5 in a line each side?
Brace looks well in the bay.
Might be worth removing the pic with your address in...........
Cheers didn't know you could read it..
The Simps
07-04-10, 10:46 PM
Get the vents, would look good imo.
In the 2nd open parcel pic the first thing I thought was - that'll be getting a buffin then! lol
Yea the outer vent would suit benn but the center ones would be over kill imo and like aw said they'd be serveing a purpose not just there for looks etc.
Strutbrace is the dogs by the way mate will look ace polished up.
Good work.
Damo.
Get the vents, would look good imo.
In the 2nd open parcel pic the first thing I thought was - that'll be getting a buffin then! lol
haha you love it and know me so well... And yeah? I am liking the vents you see..
Yea the outer vent would suit benn but the center ones would be over kill imo and like aw said they'd be serveing a purpose not just there for looks etc.
Strutbrace is the dogs by the way mate will look ace polished up.
Good work.
Damo.
As said it would only be the outer ones.
The Simps
07-04-10, 10:51 PM
You basically want ones like the side ones but twice the length.
haha you love it and know me so well... And yeah? I am liking the vents you see..
As said it would only be the outer ones.
Ah yea just seen you've said just the outers lol what about astra gte vents mate?
You basically want ones like the side ones but twice the length.
They come in lots of 5, so would prob just go with 5 on each side... Or maybe 7...
Ah yea just seen you've said just the outers lol what about astra gte vents mate?
God no, cant stand them. I don't what any vents or scoops i don't like the looks of them at all. The stamped in vents are smooth, so its the only reason i'd go with them.
craig green
07-04-10, 10:58 PM
I know for a nice vented bonnet.
I was waiting info and pics.. But some one didn't send them...
krobinson
08-04-10, 06:30 PM
Always fancied a cool louvres bonnet, something I should have done during the rebuild!
vaughanmc
08-04-10, 06:34 PM
Genuine Fearless brace mate ? Engine bay looks the boy cheif :)
maybe worth getting some eccentric top mounts? then you could get bolts to bolt the strut brace down.
Always fancied a cool louvres bonnet, something I should have done during the rebuild!
So you think do it then..
Genuine Fearless brace mate ? Engine bay looks the boy cheif :)
Nope, custom made one...
Cheers too :) Is filthy tho...
maybe worth getting some eccentric top mounts? then you could get bolts to bolt the strut brace down.
lol Just sold mine, but that would work, think i'll just trim a lil metal out and it should be fine.
vaughanmc
08-04-10, 07:29 PM
Looks exactly like a Fearless one mate! PM me with details as I fancy one for my Mk1 Nova if you don't mind...
Kinda the point..lol As they fit so well.
fearless
08-04-10, 08:01 PM
Brace looking good Benn :) That would be one of the early ones before the holes were countersunk !!!
A picture of Bretts vents before the rebuild - Mc donalds Milkshake machine vents are the way forward ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/Nova2.jpg
Dave
Ah Legend on both counts. Cheers Dave.
Popped to see this man yesterday...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8895.jpg
He nicely had one of these for me...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8894.jpg
Looks like my engine might be out over winter then...
NovaLad
18-04-10, 01:03 PM
Winter? we are coming into summer lol.
I know, but as the engine will mostly need to come out i'm not doing that now.
Plus i need to save up and buy a billet flywheel and a diff..lol
will you be looking at getting more power out of it when you fit the box and fly in the winter?
djbrowney
18-04-10, 06:52 PM
i may have a diff forsale around same sort of time if i can find something better to run on my let buddy !
discoinferno
18-04-10, 07:07 PM
f28 are the way forward mate
will you be looking at getting more power out of it when you fit the box and fly in the winter?
No, but keep getting told its much nicer with f28. So as this one was cheap i thought i might aswell.
Then if it do up the power at all it should take it.
i may have a diff forsale around same sort of time if i can find something better to run on my let buddy !
Let uncle Ben know if you do, in this case i don't mind seconds.
Disco, never driven with a f28 so...
djbrowney
18-04-10, 10:11 PM
f28 are the way forward mate
i have 4 but if the engine does what i am building it to do they wont last long, will be looking itto using something else lol lol lol
will do benn :thumb:
Rick Draper
18-04-10, 10:51 PM
Benn, tap the threaded bits out of the standard top mounts then weld nuts to the standard mounts.
Will get you pics tomorrow to show you how i mean if you want?
Yeah please. I know you have to do something to the rear one but no real clue what.
The Simps
19-04-10, 09:14 AM
I think Rick might be talking about your top mounts Benn. If you're talking about which holes to tap on the f28...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20LET%20Build/P3110086.jpg
garethcolley
19-04-10, 01:57 PM
Benn - Just a thought but the vents might not be as effective if they are flush fitted. One reason for this could be that when in motion the pressure on the bonnet is relatively high. If the pressure is higher than the pressure on the underside of the bonnet (likely) then the air wont flow out of the bonnet regardless of it being less dense. From what i've seen most automotive vents have a protective shield on the windward side and let the air exhaust towards the back which will be a much lower pressure. So if heat is a primary concern then it would be something to consider. I have been looking into fitting something over the winter after feeling the temp of the bonnet after a good thrash. Im looking at the Pulsar GTiR vents in carbon at the moment.
krobinson
19-04-10, 06:07 PM
You'll want more power once the F28's in!
£50 for some ph2 chips off Beardy and away ya go!!
I think Rick might be talking about your top mounts Benn. If you're talking about which holes to tap on the f28...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20LET%20Build/P3110086.jpg
Ah reading back what he's said i see what Rick means no, am working on something for the brace at the mo.. But will keep them in mind.
Ah cheers for the pic.. Altho i have a mount bolted to those holes already so i might be ok.
Benn - Just a thought but the vents might not be as effective if they are flush fitted. One reason for this could be that when in motion the pressure on the bonnet is relatively high. If the pressure is higher than the pressure on the underside of the bonnet (likely) then the air wont flow out of the bonnet regardless of it being less dense. From what i've seen most automotive vents have a protective shield on the windward side and let the air exhaust towards the back which will be a much lower pressure. So if heat is a primary concern then it would be something to consider. I have been looking into fitting something over the winter after feeling the temp of the bonnet after a good thrash. Im looking at the Pulsar GTiR vents in carbon at the moment.
Tbh the vent would be for looks more.. As they'll match the wing vents. But being face down (pressed in) they do let air in, so they should* let cooler air in to the bay.. But my inlet temps arnt too bad (from the Rolling road day) so i'm not to worried at the mo.
You'll want more power once the F28's in!
£50 for some ph2 chips off Beardy and away ya go!!
lol how do you now? And are his chips any good? I don't want sh*t.
Oh a a old mod fact finding. The Ally rad keeps water temp down well, on the motor way the temp doesn't go above the 1/4 line.. and heats up in traffic slower than the copper rad.
discoinferno
20-04-10, 06:26 AM
yeah the chips from beardy good copies. he used the original eds chips also does evo 5 etc
i ve had a set for 2-3 years no problem
Rick Draper
20-04-10, 08:28 PM
Benn, tap the threaded bits out of the standard top mounts then weld nuts to the standard mounts.
Will get you pics tomorrow to show you how i mean if you want?
Right Benn been looking at my standard top mounts and it would be easy. The studs will knock out of them easily then either tack new longer bolts in with thread pointing up or tack a nut on the underside and then put the bolts through from above. Simples.
Cheers Disco,
Cheers Rick, i have a plan i'm working on at the mo, but changing the threaded bolt over is something i was gonna look at if needed.
djbrowney
20-04-10, 09:56 PM
i have a bloke letting me no weather he can get some tomorrow, if not i will get some made !!!
Southie
20-04-10, 10:09 PM
Wish I was more mechanically minded then I'd understand your wip more. Anymore more photoshops needed lol
:)
GRUNT 16V
20-04-10, 10:33 PM
Who Made Your Strut Brace Benn????? Where Did He Get The Parts For It??
i have a bloke letting me no weather he can get some tomorrow, if not i will get some made !!!
Cool, let me know what your doing see if its like me.
Wish I was more mechanically minded then I'd understand your wip more. Anymore more photoshops needed lol
:)
Nothing to hard to work out dude, get in and get your hands dirty.. and not yet. But might have something for you...
Who Made Your Strut Brace Benn????? Where Did He Get The Parts For It??
First man quoted.
GRUNT 16V
21-04-10, 10:32 AM
I Take It You Mean Mr Djbrownie ??
GRUNT 16V
21-04-10, 11:33 PM
THANKS BENN I WILL SEND OVER SOME CHEEKY QUESTIONS lol
dj_wudgey
22-04-10, 12:03 AM
the vents would look cool as fook matey!!
Cool cool Grant,
Wudgey, i'm thinking that, but have a friend saying it might look to messy with the vents, i don't want that. So i'm not sure now...
I'd just like to say you have IMO the best nova ive ever seen.
Jeff16v
22-04-10, 07:21 PM
Wudgey, i'm thinking that, but have a friend saying it might look to messy with the vents, i don't want that. So i'm not sure now...
Vents are tricky, i wasn't sure about sticking some on mine but overall i'm happy with them. Personally i'd go for it.:thumb:
Any pics sir?
I really like the idea, but dont wan it looking messy.
I'd just like to say you have IMO the best nova ive ever seen.
Its not, but thank you very much. That means ALOT.
Jeff16v
22-04-10, 08:53 PM
Any pics sir?
I really like the idea, but dont wan it looking messy.
check projects, I just updated it.
let_nova
22-04-10, 08:54 PM
car is a true credit to you. many many hours of hard work.
well done.
Will do Jeff,
Cheers Let nova.
Vents are tricky, i wasn't sure about sticking some on mine but overall i'm happy with them. Personally i'd go for it.:thumb:
Here's my thoughts........ Benn has louvred wings so to louvre the bonnet too could possibly look like overkill with a fully louvred front end! And its the very reason I didnt have the wings louvred on the red one. when it comes to novas we all know subtlety is crucial. Benn if you have a spare bonnet kicking round Id have it done then you can always swap back and or sell making your money back in the process. Once you get up to the stage your at fella it does become hard to find new ideas and keep bettering the car but sometimes they are just best left alone. Andy bishop/Karl rowntree cars havent changed for years really but still look two of the very best out there if you see my point etc! ;)
Nick.
Yeah i do, i was thinking about getting a bonnet and getting it done to see if i like it or not. Dont like the idea of the car being the same for to long...lol
The Simps
22-04-10, 09:32 PM
I can see what Nicks saying. If you're not careful you could cross the line from subtle to modified if you know what i mean.
Yeah i do, hence why i wanted the PS..
So being not one to shy away with my car, i'm happy to show the bad bits with the good.
So i spotted this,
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roof12.jpg
Thinking it was dirt or something in the blue base coat i never thought much about it, till i thought its getting bigger.. Then i started to keep an eye on it. Its not got any bigger, but a smaller 2nd one popped up. Time to check it out..
Gave it a gently tap with my key and found it pushed thru.. Bugger!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roof10.jpg
Still its only about 1mm x 1mm so now bad, now its right next to the sunroof, so i know what's happened trapped water and all tho. Talk to the bodyshop and doing, Keith said best to hit it and do it right, dont wanna cover it up ad it come back.
So remove the head lining *eek!!* Drop the sunroof cassette *bigger eek!* clean and sael in the the under said and repair the top.
So i thought to this afternoon lets just crack on as i was missing Combe.
Dived in..
Worse one.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roof18.jpg
Not as bad.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roof14.jpg
Next was stripping the insides.. Not a fun job. But did it slowly and took alot!! of care.
Got this out with out to much hard work
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roof15.jpg
Leaving me with this.. (yes before some one says it the reds still red, didn't see the point of painting that as its never seen)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roof4.jpg
Then found the rust is under the bracing that the sunroof bolts on too...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roof7.jpg
Looks worse than it is, dragged a screw driver over it and its mostly flaking paint. Got a wire brust in there and gave it a good clean, then slapppped rusting killing gel all over it. I'm guessing its all from where the sunroof is fitted..
While it was doing it's work i pulled all the leather out as i dont want it getting damaged or marked.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roof.jpg
Then moved back to the roof its self. Had a ripple in it for ages, perfect time to sort it out..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roof17.jpg
You can see it it the reflection of the boot..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roof3.jpg
Noticed a small one the other side.. Same thing in the reflection..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roof8.jpg
Masked up the hole.. Them charity bags do come in handy!
Nice satin roof too..lol
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roof9.jpg
Gonna do more sanding to moz and fix the dents. Then off to the bodyshop on Friday to fix the hole, paint on Sat i hope.
LEWI007
24-04-10, 06:17 PM
Love this car mate, nice to see your killing the rust, bit unusual to have rust on the roof though isnt it lol.
When do you think it will be all painted then ?
thats not good mate but im sure you will sort it out in no time..
Love this car mate, nice to see your killing the rust, bit unusual to have rust on the roof though isnt it lol.
When do you think it will be all painted then ?
I have seen it before, but not on a Vauxhall. As the way the water drains are made it keeps it away from the metal.
I'd like to say this time next week.
On the case Mr Moore.
NovaLad
24-04-10, 06:25 PM
Top work Ben JAMMIN!
Theirs no stopping you is their!
lol yes, i was getting snow blindness while sanding the roof. Gave up then.
peester
24-04-10, 06:34 PM
non-sunroof shells ftw lol
NovaLad
24-04-10, 06:36 PM
I used to think SR stood for SunRoof model or StreetRacing
scott.parker
24-04-10, 07:02 PM
Oh not good mate, but least it's in good hands, as most wouldn't know how to deal with it.
craig green
24-04-10, 07:02 PM
weld the sunroof over FFS.
Nice work fella..... That doesnt look a big job to fix and at the end of the day most have a lot more! On another note I was once told their is no such thing as a dent.... "Its only a bend in the light" ;)
Nick.
non-sunroof shells ftw lol
In this case yes.
I used to think SR stood for SunRoof model or StreetRacing
lol i wondered for ages, was one of my first car forum questions.
Oh not good mate, but least it's in good hands, as most wouldn't know how to deal with it.
I'm lucky in this way yes, but still very annoying.
weld the sunroof over FFS.
If i was gonna i'd swap the whole skin, but funk that! Plus my head linings already cut for the whole..lol
Nice work fella..... That doesnt look a big job to fix and at the end of the day most have a lot more! On another note I was once told their is no such thing as a dent.... "Its only a bend in the light" ;)
Nick.
No it should be, cut the small bit out weld clean new in, skim.
lol i didn't say dent.. I said ripple in the reflection...lol
Cheers guys.
Right remember my new strut brace? The plate on the brace are nice and thick. This gave me this problem..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_8893.jpg
So after talking to my dad, we worked out counter boring it might lose some strength.. So we have a talk and a think and came up with this..
So using a M12 bolt and these.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_9744sometoolsused.jpg
We came up with..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_9733finalboltheaddrilled.jpg
My dad (he's making them) had a few issues doing them. Cue a few tests..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_9735alltriesexcepthalfcutSS.jpg
So can you see where we're going? A M12 bolt, with a M8 hole drilled and taped up the inside, so this will go thru the brace and screw on to the top mount thread. So it will hold the brace down nicely.
These are test ones as he cant get the hole to be center, so he's gonna get a man at his work to drill them on a lathe.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_9741finaltryhead.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/IMG_9738Finaltry.jpg
And he's done his own write up..lol
Stainless steel hex head bolt was so hard, the angle grinder was taking a long time to cut it, so abandoned as too hard.
Ordinary steel Allen cap head bolt was grade 12.9, so would be hard and where allen key socket is would take away from the M8 thread length, so not tried.
Ordinary steel hex headbolt #1 - miss-judged and cut too short with angle grinder. But tried drilling, centre carefully marked, but drill wouldn't stay centred even with centre punching and predrilling with a small drill.
Ordinary steel hex headbolt #2 - Drill still wouldn't stay centred.
Ordinary steel hex headbolt #3 - tried marking centre and drilling from head, still wouldn't stay centred.
Ordinary steel hex head #3 - centre carefully marked, centre punched, 2mm then 4mm then 6.8mm hole drilled ready for tapping, hole started centred but hole ended up not concentric by the time it got to the end. Evidently due to platform on pillar drill not being square to chuck. Had to find straight bit of rod to put in chuck, to use set square against, to get platform horizontal. But why is every bit of rod in a shed bent? Bit of near-straight rod found, platform set up as square as could be judged, hole drilled. Nearly concentric - must be how bolt head is held in vice that's putting it out of position. Tapped M8 thread, proved it can be done.
Next - use lathe at work to hold bolt whilst drilling 6.8mm hole in from head end, to get concentric.
Lessons learned - when cutting a bolt with an angle grinder, it stays VERY hot for a long while.
ben doodar
25-04-10, 08:40 PM
Lol great write up from ur old man. Good work on the roof nova roofs allways seem to dent just behind the b pillars, I've heard they can come from handbrake turns n hard cornering etc as it's the shell flexing.
So you'll drill the hole bigger in the strut brace and then bolt it down with the drilled n tapped bolt? nice idea there benn.
fearless
25-04-10, 09:22 PM
Good idea Benn - but I do think your over-engineering a simple fix
Simply take your strut top mounts off - and replace the upward facing bolts with longer ones - I can't remember if they are just tack welded in or a simple splined bolt (a bit like some wheel stud) that would knock out
Dave
dj_wudgey
25-04-10, 09:25 PM
Good idea Benn - but I do think your over-engineering a simple fix
Simply take your strut top mounts off - and replace the upward facing bolts with longer ones - I can't remember if they are just tack welded in or a simple splined bolt (a bit like some wheel stud) that would knock out
Dave
sod it mate it made for a class read even if he is over engineering it!! lol
fearless
25-04-10, 09:28 PM
Just realised Rick had already suggested it - oh well - great minds think alike :)
Lol great write up from ur old man. Good work on the roof nova roofs allways seem to dent just behind the b pillars, I've heard they can come from handbrake turns n hard cornering etc as it's the shell flexing.
So you'll drill the hole bigger in the strut brace and then bolt it down with the drilled n tapped bolt? nice idea there benn.
I did wonder about the roof ripples, sure Nick fixed them on his.. And i know they weren't there when it was first painted.
The the brace will have bigger hole for the collar of the bolt to sit thru, the flat on the top then sits on the base of the brace and pulls it down tight.
Good idea Benn - but I do think your over-engineering a simple fix
Simply take your strut top mounts off - and replace the upward facing bolts with longer ones - I can't remember if they are just tack welded in or a simple splined bolt (a bit like some wheel stud) that would knock out
Dave
I am yes, but at the mo it saves taking the car to bit (or any more) grinding off the old ones and getting longer ones in and to be in tighter. Plus i killed my welded so i could tack them in.
Rick did say it, it is my other plan if these dont work. Altho i haven't spend any time doing them ass dads done it all.
Nova_Tek
26-04-10, 10:37 AM
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roof17.jpg
You can see it it the reflection of the boot..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roof3.jpg
Noticed a small one the other side.. Same thing in the reflection..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roof8.jpg
These are exactly where I had my very little roof skin ripples / dents (you'd have seen it in my project thread), noticable but only to someone looking for one.
Ingenious bolt mod lol
ben doodar
26-04-10, 06:21 PM
Non sunroof models seem to be worse for this as there's more flex in the roof skin. One thing I have thought is if this is true, and they tend to dent in the same place quite often, it may not be such a good idea to fill the dent as it may flex again in the same place and crack the filler. Quite unlikely really but just a thought. X
I've just been thinking the say, looking for a pic of Nicks to see where his where... I dont want any cracking.
ben doodar
27-04-10, 03:34 PM
They all dent in the same place Ben. My gsi had dents in the roof in the same place. Pritty much every nova I've seen has the same dents.
Matty Winslade
27-04-10, 05:17 PM
nice motor pal !! have is seen this motor floating around by portsmouth before? i also thinki have seen it in fareham / gosport? just wondering pal :thumb: top stuff !!
They all dent in the same place Ben. My gsi had dents in the roof in the same place. Pritty much every nova I've seen has the same dents.
Think i'll see if the dent guy can get them better but wont fill them or anything. Dont want any cracking. Cheers dude.
nice motor pal !! have is seen this motor floating around by portsmouth before? i also thinki have seen it in fareham / gosport? just wondering pal :thumb: top stuff !!
I'm in and out of Pompey every so often, always around Fareham yes.
scott.parker
27-04-10, 06:57 PM
My roof on the track has these small ripple type dents in it, i just thought it was to do with it hand not been looked after by Chris when he had the shell, lol
Count Vaux Alot
27-04-10, 07:05 PM
Interesting method of getting round the strut brace issue Benn but i think i'm with Fearless for the solution
ben doodar
27-04-10, 08:02 PM
Think i'll see if the dent guy can get them better but wont fill them or anything. Dont want any cracking. Cheers dude.
lol don't want to put you off Benn I'm sure you've got your own ideas about this. But just a thought and you certainly don't want cracked filler in your roof. Take a look at the next nova you see and I'd be suprised if you don't see the same dents. Yh would be nice to see if the dent man can do anything with these whilst your headlings out. Keep us posted
I've just been thinking the say, looking for a pic of Nicks to see where his where... I dont want any cracking.
Your right mine had three shallows down both sides of the roof...... My dent guy told me what tends to happen is that when roofskins gets really hot from sun etc they become more flexible and the strengtheners or sunroof framework can pull down on the skin because of the weight causing small ripples. The bmw minis are the same as they have big cardboard sound deadening pads under the roofskin which pulls the skin inwards causing the same. Simply removing these pops the roof back into position in some cases on the minis. pretty amazing to see. Mine were a little harder to fix but came out 100% with no filler used. A trusted dentguy would be the way Id prefer. Im sure your old boss should know of someone fella. Or If you fancy bringing up here I could have a word for you no worries.
Nick.
Southie
27-04-10, 08:15 PM
Just to confirm the dent issue my nova has them in the exact same spots, I'd put it down to running solid top/engine mounts on mine and the stress had gone there.
Mine has a shallow dent in the same place too, on both sides!
Nova_Tek
27-04-10, 08:31 PM
Think they all came with them. Mine was a 1.2 running all of 55bhp and it had them there. Think it's just how they are. Doesn't have them anymore though :d
Interesting method of getting round the strut brace issue Benn but i think i'm with Fearless for the solution
Yeah but them means i have to take my coilovers off.. Car in enough bits as it is.
If it looks like these wont really do it then i will remove and swap the studs.
lol don't want to put you off Benn I'm sure you've got your own ideas about this. But just a thought and you certainly don't want cracked filler in your roof. Take a look at the next nova you see and I'd be suprised if you don't see the same dents. Yh would be nice to see if the dent man can do anything with these whilst your headlings out. Keep us posted
No as its a flexing thing i'm not gonna fill anywhere near it... I'm sure the dent guy can. Perfect time too.
Your right mine had three shallows down both sides of the roof...... My dent guy told me what tends to happen is that when roofskins gets really hot from sun etc they become more flexible and the strengtheners or sunroof framework can pull down on the skin because of the weight causing small ripples. The bmw minis are the same as they have big cardboard sound deadening pads under the roofskin which pulls the skin inwards causing the same. Simply removing these pops the roof back into position in some cases on the minis. pretty amazing to see. Mine were a little harder to fix but came out 100% with no filler used. A trusted dentguy would be the way Id prefer. Im sure your old boss should know of someone fella. Or If you fancy bringing up here I could have a word for you no worries.
Nick.
I did look back at your pics too and see yours are the same..http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k27/nj_photo/novaturbowip057.jpg
The dent guy that's been in the body shop is very very good, so i'll give him a ring.
Am the mo i've flatted over them with 400 and they've gone down a bit. So i'll let him have a go and leave it there..
Do want anything that might crack or anything. Cheers for the help guys.
Just to confirm the dent issue my nova has them in the exact same spots, I'd put it down to running solid top/engine mounts on mine and the stress had gone there.
Cheers dude. Any photoshop gen?
Mine has a shallow dent in the same place too, on both sides!
Must be a stress point.
Southie
27-04-10, 08:43 PM
Cheers dude. Any photoshop gen?
In the pipeline for tomorrow ;)
Both the black and the red Nova's have dents there as well but I put it down to the rollcage as pretty sure they weren't there before that.
Well they arnt just random dents then, that seals that.
scott.parker
27-04-10, 10:01 PM
Humm, best have a nosy over the mk1 roof at the weekend then, as i dont think that had them..?
ben doodar
27-04-10, 10:03 PM
Nick j: I'd of never thought that about it getting hot and flexing and the roof stregntheners pulling it in. + that with the new minis sounds mad!
I've allways thought this bout the roofs denting in the same place but that's confirmend it now everyones saying there's has the same dents. Lol. Keep us informend how the dent guy gets on with it. Some of the work I've seen them do is amazing!!!
Matty Winslade
28-04-10, 12:10 AM
Think i'll see if the dent guy can get them better but wont fill them or anything. Dont want any cracking. Cheers dude.
I'm in and out of Pompey every so often, always around Fareham yes.
yeah I'm always about in pompey and that, look out for me
silver mk1 Sr :thumb: nice motor !!
Scott, does it have a factory sun roof?
Ben, will do, will take pics..
Matt, ill look out, i drive a orange work van too, cheers :)
Have spent a few nights getting the roof in to a better shape. Popped to the bodyshop so Keith could look at the holes. Worked out if we enlarged the holes a tiny amount they could be plug welded to repair them.
When back in this evening and Paul did the welding. Big thanks to him for that.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roofrepair8.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roofrepair9.jpg
He then got carried away and ground the welds off..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roofrepair10.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roofrepair12.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roofrepair2.jpg
And then filled them.. Even tho i was gonna, he just cracked on..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roofrepair3.jpg
All done, popped back in tomorrow morning to primer the roof. I flatted back where the ripples where as i didn't want to fill them incase of flexing. Flatting them almost back to bare metal seems to have gotten rid of almost all of them. Yay.
Been trimming bits too... Hello Mr C pillar trim.
I painted them black as a temp job.. Couldn't have that. (has been flatted off)
Before.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Pillarretrim3.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Pillarretrim.jpg
How to help the hole glue..lol
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Pillarretrim2.jpg
After.. Mucho better.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/Updates%20Oct09%20on/Roofrepair4.jpg
Nova_Tek
30-04-10, 10:36 PM
What cloth you been using Benn? Just something about retrimming plastic which looks so satisfying :)
Its the say martial that my headlining is made from, its a brush velour flavour..
This way everything matches. Which we like.
Nova_Tek
30-04-10, 10:45 PM
Nice. Matching fabrics always sound and look nice. Wanna do the roof skin of my Nova in the same stuff as I trimmed the rear shelf in. The lining I trimmed a few years back really has faded so it won't look great :(
craig green
30-04-10, 10:46 PM
air file FTW awesome tools.
LEWI007
01-05-10, 07:59 AM
Looks beautiful as always Benn.
Keep us updated.
Count Vaux Alot
01-05-10, 08:10 AM
Coming on well dude - when is it due for repaint?
Tek, gotta be matching it looks the best, re re trim it dude.
Craig, they are awesome, i have a plug in the wall one its really handy.
Lewis, cheers dude.
James, off to primer the roof in a bit, hopping for paint tue/wed.
Looks good ben, love the metal, red, blue bits on the roof!
lol I don't, well its all primed now. Will be flatting it off tomoz. Then i can see if the ripples have come out.
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