Benn's on going build

[corsakid]

It doesn't have to be so bad that it doesn't run, it is degenerative the filament due to being heated etc the filament will have a shelf life so to speak
all it needs Is some dirt on the hot wire filament, high resistance etc it could still function OK, but not be operating as efficiently as it could be if that makes sense

[Nova_Tek]

Had the AFM come up with a code on the XEV. Dipped the filament into some alcohol/spirit to give it a clean and it was absolutely fine there after. Have sensor wiring grounding itself againstr the block can cause all sorts of ghosts too.

Just need to check over everything dude.

ICV ok?

[Benn]

That can't be right surely? Mine wont run at all with it unplugged. Strange!



Tht makes me believe even more then benn that the the signal for the afm is earthing through the shroud or something tricking the ecu.

Dan's GTE is the same, unplug it and it carries on running.


Corsa/tek, i'll fit my spare afm on to night and see what that does.

[Damo]

Just to add to the above benn my XE stops running immediatly as soon as the afms unplugged!!!!

[Benn]

Hhmmm odd, A friends GTE runs fine just a bit rough with it unplugged.

Waiting on a compression test to rule that out/see if its that.

[Nova_Tek]

Hopefully it's not internal, but then again a perfectly justifiable reason to rebuild it :d (if you can afford it)

[Benn]

It needs a rebuild anyway, but was hoping i could do that over the winder months. Wanted to get an least 2more months use.

[Nova_Tek]

Hopefully it's not that then.

[Benn]

I just have no clue as to what it could be.

[Southie]

Bummer on the bad running. A mates LET Corsa had something similar last year and he had a dodgy afm and it was missing like hell, also if unplugged it cut out. Actually though the problem we found out later was a very small hole in the pipe that lead upto his turbo.

Did you do a compression test then? Sorry if I've missed it I'm tired lol

[Benn]

No, doing it tonight, i'll check the wiring to the AFM at the same just too and try my other AFM was well.

[Benn]

Right compression tested, 150-160 psi on them all. So that's ok.

Then looked at my afm..... Unplugged it and it carried on with the reves going up and down, with the miss-fire sounded like it got better.

So took it off and found this...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9221.jpg

That's alot of sh*t, Its more sooty with a lil oil..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9223.jpg

Changed to my spare and the miss-fires gone! So some of you where right in away.. I'm guessing the turbo's spat some sh*t back up in to the afm...

[The Simps]

good to hear my friend

[Benn]

Yeah meansa few more months of use and abuse. Another session of Combe. Then it can come off the road and i'll rebuild the engine and maybe go f28.

Really wanna drive a Nova with an F28 first to make sure i'd be happy.


Cheers for the help guys :)

[The Simps]

u WILL be happy! look at everbody else whos been running lets for years - what do they all have in common. F28s and P2+

[corsakid]

I thought it would be the air flow metre

[Benn]

lol yeah but i wanna feel the drive.. As once the months cut off its kinda sh*t or bust.




I thought it would be the air flow metre

Why?

[Kev Turbo]

lol yeah but i wanna feel the drive.. As once the months cut off its kinda sh*t or bust.

Why?

Drives a lot better than the 5 and saves fuel!!!

Whats not to like!

Smash p2 on while you are there you wont look back :)

[corsakid]

lol yeah but i wanna feel the drive.. As once the months cut off its kinda sh*t or bust.





Why?


Because I've seen it loads of times the airflow mere can upset the running in so many ways! And if you think about it most if not all the afm are 15-20 years old and done 100k+

[Benn]

Drives a lot better than the 5 and saves fuel!!!

Whats not to like!

Smash p2 on while you are there you wont look back :)



lol am thinking of Ph2.


Yeah i guess Corsakid, hopefully sorted now. Well bar i dont know whats cause this soot like stuff.

[matthew172]

great u have found the problem and it was a easy fix benn

[Jeff16v]

Glad you got it sorted, can the Afm be cleaned with something

[Nova_Tek]

Right compression tested, 150-160 psi on them all. So that's ok.

Then looked at my afm..... Unplugged it and it carried on with the reves going up and down, with the miss-fire sounded like it got better.

So took it off and found this...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9221.jpg

That's alot of sh*t, Its more sooty with a lil oil..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9223.jpg

Changed to my spare and the miss-fires gone! So some of you where right in away.. I'm guessing the turbo's spat some sh*t back up in to the afm...

Glad to hear its not the HG and you checked the AFM like I said. My bro's one wasn't as bad but I dipped it in alcohol and it cleaned it well. Cleared the fault immediately.

:thumb:

[Benn]

great u have found the problem and it was a easy fix benn

Yeah me too :) been out in it today, drives great again, no bogging down nothing. Boosts up great and spins like funk in the wet. Span all the way up to 110...


Glad you got it sorted, can the Afm be cleaned with something

So i'm told.


Glad to hear its not the HG and you checked the AFM like I said. My bro's one wasn't as bad but I dipped it in alcohol and it cleaned it well. Cleared the fault immediately.

:thumb:

Yeah same here, engine will be coming to bits over the winter anyway. But will use it for a few more months. Combe in sept too :)

Gonna use carb cleaning to clean the afm...

[djbrowney]

i reckon you should fit a set of white vectra super touring wheels on you car :)

[Benn]

lol only if they where a great price.. ;)

[djbrowney]

5 new tyres would cost you nearley what im selling them for :( :(

[Benn]

Be a gay size i bet...

[djbrowney]

there only 195/45/16 smart **** lol

[Benn]

lol ok, still be a bit pricey for me i bet.

[djbrowney]

set of 5 brand new 195/45/16 toyo t1r's all fresh shot blasted/powdercoated £400 :)

[MattBrown]

Benn, try some TFR on that AFM

Make sure to brush on, brush off etc.

Its worth a go, as a good spare etc:)

[Benn]

set of 5 brand new 195/45/16 toyo t1r's all fresh shot blasted/powdercoated £400 :)

£400? way out of my range... And white? Ben doesn't do white wheels. I'd have to paint them..lol



Benn, try some TFR on that AFM

Make sure to brush on, brush off etc.

Its worth a go, as a good spare etc:)

Have carb cleaner, was gonna use that.

[MattBrown]

£400? way out of my range... And white? Ben doesn't do white wheels. I'd have to paint them..lol




Have carb cleaner, was gonna use that.

That should suffice:thumb:

[ben doodar]

glad you got it fixed easily mate. any oher plans over winter?

[Benn]

Gonna be an engine rebuild.
Maybe ph2,
Wanna get the under side stripped and re painted (blue)
I still want different rims, will prob have to go back to 4stud to be able to find wheels i like.
Maybe turret the rear and get the beam sorted.
Wanna mirror polish my exhaust system. (its semi done now, but not to my liking)

Think that's it.

[Nova_Tek]

Plans sound good.

I'm still tryna search for some rims, so funking hard. Will proably be the hardest decision to make on the Nova.

[Benn]

Snap. There's so many i like....

[Nova_Tek]

True, but there's also so many crap ones.

I really don't know what to go for. I would love to have a staggered style wheels but can't really find any. Something with a slight dish that would suit would be nice.

[Shaun]

[quote=Benn]
Wanna mirror polish my exhaust system. (its semi done now, but not to my liking)
[quote]

your funking mental, LOVE IT!!

[Benn]

True, but there's also so many crap ones.

I really don't know what to go for. I would love to have a staggered style wheels but can't really find any. Something with a slight dish that would suit would be nice.

Save up and take your time, in my eyes wheel make a car. So they need to be right.





Wanna mirror polish my exhaust system. (its semi done now, but not to my liking)

your funking mental, LOVE IT!!

Needs to be done and done right in my eyes. :) ;)

[Nova_Tek]

Save up and take your time, in my eyes wheel make a car. So they need to be right.

Very true mate, but really having trouble finding a set I really like. It needs to just sit well with the whole look of the car. Want it to be very unique, something away from the typical crap found on the youngsters cars.

So many crap sites too.

Know of any sites that do different stuff?

[Benn]

I use www.rimstyle.com

[Benn]

Back to my new hatch boot i've slowly been working on.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/27072010190.jpg

Test fitted, corner is damaged tho,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/27072010191.jpg

That's been fixed. Got and minty spoiler, what a mission getting that on and fitted nicely. Gave me the dog a few times.
All ready for primer and paint now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/16092010243.jpg

Mmmmm brand new glass...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/16092010240.jpg

Hehe ass colour..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/16092010241.jpg

At the weekend i lowered the car back down. Giving me this.. I like.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/19092010247.jpg

But running low means if you turn to much tyre and arch have a lil meet up and bad things happen and it did.
So... Small repair later..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/16092010242.jpg

Then after a bit her and there, i've bare metalled the arch lips off.. well taken off what paint was left as the tyres are doing a great job of polishing the lips. Did a little cleaning up inside the vents as well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/19092010250.jpg

Took them to the body shop and etched and primered them.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/20092010252.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/20092010253.jpg

No dent.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/20092010254.jpg

[Benn]

While in doing that, i picked up a new wiper motor to re work to get a better wipe. So take apart, cut chop and re weld. Then cut the pivot bar on the linkage to adjust the sweep and re weld.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/28082010225.jpg

Then break apart cause i made the sweep to long so it wiped off the screen...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/29082010228.jpg

Re build and test.. All works. Strip apart and paint so it looks nicer.

While doing that, i found/ Dan pointed out that the Corsa spindles sit up much more straight from the scuttle, where as the Nova one sits at much more of a angle. So i had to try and get them to sit with more angel.
Made a temp plastic shim up to test, works very well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/28082010226.jpg

Have a much better wipe now.

More soon.

[Nova_Tek]

A lot of work gone into that mate, looking spotless as ever, lovely ride height :thumb:

[Benn]

It's frigging minging! Was raining on way to Combe add in a few hand brake turns on the wet grass at Combe.. lol

I'm enjoying the ride height too.. well for looks anyway.

[craig green]

Good work as always BEnn. Any pics of the new wiper setup in situ (under the scuttle)?

[Benn]

Cheers Craig, i can take some.

[ben doodar]

Good work as allways benn.

[dj_wudgey]

some nice work matey!! its amasing how perfect you keep this all the time!! and thats naghty doing handbrakes in your nova well on grass it is lol

[Benn]

Cheers Ben,

Dj, Cheers, its not perfect. Tbh, there was a huge mess up and we had a non stand in the " our club is sh*te and cant get a stand sorted" bit.. So hand brake turns on the grass was called for. Then we found our other stand..lol

[dj_wudgey]

mate it looked near perfect condition at pv!! and gutted then after you made a mess off her lol

[Benn]

lol thank you but it's not. And she'll clean up dont worry.

[Benn]

Pop to see my trimmer to day, he'd got this finished for me. Any one that saw the car/me at Pv might have seen the mk1 of this which was just wrapped and glued. Which was wa*k. So mk2 here we come..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9253.jpg

Bit dusty,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9254.jpg

To match every thing else...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9255.jpg

Then pop to my chromer... (one dummy/inner part of the equal length shaft set up)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9256.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9257.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9258.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9259.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9260.jpg

Found on the drive to Combe, even tho my new linkage wipes better at 60 they would skip a lil in the middle of the screen, so picked these up today from work.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9261.jpg

[Edd]

Amazing attention to detail Benn

I would love to being doing similar stuff, wouldn't suit the Sport tho :(

[Plug]

is there anything your not going to make shinny benn?? lol

[scott.parker]

Looks smart, flat blade's are so much better..

[Benn]

Amazing attention to detail Benn

I would love to being doing similar stuff, wouldn't suit the Sport tho :(

Thank you Sir, why not? Look at Dec's, he did everything to a top level..


is there anything your not going to make shinny benn?? lol

hahaha no!



Looks smart, flat blade's are so much better..

Chers dude, yeah? My work van has them, they seem very good.

[scott.parker]

First thing i did when i got my mk4 Astra home was to fit some flat blades i had in my room, normal wiper blades just seam so very inadequate after using flats for a while on my old passat..

[Benn]

Cool, hope it will remove my flat spot then.

[scott.parker]

They don't effect engine performance! lol

[Benn]

lol no flat spot in that..

[ben doodar]

What's the thing you've just had trimmed mate?

P.s nice shaft.

[NathanSRi]

What's the thing you've just had trimmed mate?

P.s nice shaft.
Boot lid trim

[Benn]

What's the thing you've just had trimmed mate?

P.s nice shaft.

As said above, its the trim that sits in the hatch boot lid. (would cover the wipe motor and that hence the shapes)

And thanks.. hehhe

[Benn]

Driving home on Friday i noticed the water temp was getting very hot. Think it might be air in the system i just let the air out.. Sat morning found the header tank was empty. So i just simply topped it up thinking i had lost alot when i changed a hose.

While talking with Dan, we noticed it looked like one of the lines was leaking.. Well it was leaking! The metal end to the turbo hose has touched, i knew it had been but didn't think it was this bad.. So...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/Brokenrad5.jpg

Get the rad out to inspect.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/Brokenrad6.jpg



Where the hose has been touching...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/Brokenrad7.jpg

Looks like it's gone thru...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/Brokenrad3.jpg

No it has..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/Brokenrad1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/Brokenrad2.jpg


Gotta take it to a guy i know, see if he can weld it up on Monday...

[Graeme]

Ouch

[Benn]

Should be able to get it Ally welded tho so hopefully isn't to bad.

[Plug]

thats abit of a biach :(

[Spudly]

On the plus side, at least you noticed it before any engine damage ocurred though:thumb:

[scott.parker]

Is that one of them Auto TX alloy ones? Will the weld hold though, hope so, also have you tried to move it forward slightly to give more clearance?

Scott

[L14MNP]

I repaired my rad core with JB Weld and it's been spot on, so I reckon proper TIG will be fine.

Hope you get it sorted without too much expense Ben. Lucky catch on that one mate! Keep looking after one of my top 3 Nova's for me until I buy it. lol

[Benn]

thats abit of a biach :(

Sadly its what happens
.

On the plus side, at least you noticed it before any engine damage ocurred though:thumb:

I had to turn off in town at it was getting almost in to the red...


Is that one of them Auto TX alloy ones? Will the weld hold though, hope so, also have you tried to move it forward slightly to give more clearance?

Scott

Yes its a TX one, cant see why the weld couldn't hold. Tigging up ally normally sticks like glue. Sadly i cant move it for ward any more. There's no room. But i'll have to maybe try and angel it for a lil more clearance. But with the hose and fitting turned to the side it clears it ok, just doesn't look as tidy.



I repaired my rad core with JB Weld and it's been spot on, so I reckon proper TIG will be fine.

Hope you get it sorted without too much expense Ben. Lucky catch on that one mate! Keep looking after one of my top 3 Nova's for me until I buy it. lol

My mate has a kit to do it he used on his AC rad. Was thinking about using that. But if i can get it propally done then i might as well try..

As said it got rather warm, but wasn't in the red so it should be fine. Annoying that i had to dump new coolant..lol Dont worry i'm looking after it.

[Nova_Tek]

Good thing you noticed it early Benn, would have made things a lot worse if you were driving it and it lost all the coolant.

[John]

Ouch Benn :( hope the repair holds.

[R1CH]

What hose was rubbing, water hose coming from / to the turbo ? Just rotate the center housing on the turbo round a few degrees so it clears the rad.

[Benn]

Good thing you noticed it early Benn, would have made things a lot worse if you were driving it and it lost all the coolant.

Well it lost most of it..


Ouch Benn :( hope the repair holds.

Me too, if not its 170 down the drain.


What hose was rubbing, water hose coming from / to the turbo ? Just rotate the center housing on the turbo round a few degrees so it clears the rad.

The the water hose on the front of the turbo, i want the hose hidden as much ass poss so had it sitting more upright, which is when it was touching. Moved it now and its ok, clears the rad and still hidden well.

[Pistol Pete]

Not good. Repair should see it good as new though. These things are sent to try us!!!

[Benn]

Yeah its trying me! Wanted to give it some dead and loving this weekend..

[Pistol Pete]

Theres always next weekend!

[Benn]

As long as its still dry and nice...

[Nova_Tek]

Well it lost most of it..

Well at least it had some left. Losing it all when driving (especially on the motorway) isn't a very good thing lol

Could have been much much worse

[Benn]

Well i saw it raise a bit on the motorway, but took it it as just air in the system.
But seeing it and just under the red worried me, so i switched off and coasted thru the town and then down my road and on to the drive... Just in case.

[krobinson]

Glad you found the problem benn! Should be easy sorted ;-)

[Nick J]

Shame about the rad dude........ hope it repairs ok :)

Nick.

[Benn]

An up date tomoz will say either or not it'd fixed..lol

[Benn]

Right, couldn't be welded, chemical metal wouldn't stick.. Tried a ac repairing kit where you metal alloy on to it. All it's done is make the hole bigger.
So new rad on order...

Question is... Do i just fit it and use the car a bit more... Or see it as that's the first step.. Fit the F28 repaint the bay and rebuild the engine..

[Nick J]

Right, couldn't be welded, chemical metal wouldn't stick.. Tried a ac repairing kit where you metal alloy on to it. All it's done is make the hole bigger.
So new rad on order...

Question is... Do i just fit it and use the car a bit more... Or see it as that's the first step.. Fit the F28 repaint the bay and rebuild the engine..

Do it in a oner Benn.............. That way it'll all be done and finished for the new season and the better weather. ;)

Nick.

[Nova_Tek]

Depends mate on your circumstances, If it were me in my current circumstance I'd drive it around for a bit more with the new rad and then do some upgrades at a better time.

You using a custom alloy rad or standard type? You can get Valeo standard GTE/GSi rad for £35 all in.

[Damo]

I say fit the f28 benn whilst its in bits mate not point puting it back together to strip it down again.

[Edd]

i agree, start doing it all now

[scorge01]

yeah fit the f28 nothing like a novelty gear.lol

[Pistol Pete]

Do it in a oner Benn.............. That way it'll all be done and finished for the new season and the better weather. ;)

Nick.

This man speaketh the truth. Show season is pretty much dead, weather is poo....get it in A1 condition ready to rock for next year.

You know it makes sence!

[Southie]

This man speaketh the truth. Show season is pretty much dead, weather is poo....get it in A1 condition ready to rock for next year.

You know it makes sence!
Yep more agreement from me, it will save stripping it all down to do it again, anyway it's now your winter daily so I hope you've swapped your alloys ;)

[Benn]

Do it in a oner Benn.............. That way it'll all be done and finished for the new season and the better weather. ;)

Nick.

lol not really doing that much, if i start now it will be done by the new year...



Depends mate on your circumstances, If it were me in my current circumstance I'd drive it around for a bit more with the new rad and then do some upgrades at a better time.

You using a custom alloy rad or standard type? You can get Valeo standard GTE/GSi rad for £35 all in.

Full alloy rad dude. £139.99 posted. Plus £20 to polish.



yeah fit the f28 nothing like a novelty gear.lol

See that's the other thing, is it worth fitting a F28.. Really need to drive a Let Nova with a F28.. Or do i just diff my F20.

Is it worth it?



Yep more agreement from me, it will save stripping it all down to do it again, anyway it's now your winter daily so I hope you've swapped your alloys ;)

Stripping it down isn't much, takes 20mins max. And its still on the polished ones.. But hasn't been driven in the wet yet...

[Spudly]

Another vote of tuck it away for the winter and do more stuffs to it and bung yer F28 in lol

[scorge01]

well iv never driven a 6 speed nova but my mate had one in his astra turbo after his 5 speed blew up and it was much better to drive in my opinion but every one to there own i suppose

if your going to do it tho now is the time.

[Jeff16v]

I imagine an f28 is cheaper than a diff, maybe chrome gearbox casing as well while you are at it?

Bummer on the rad btw

[Damo]

I imagine an f28 is cheaper than a diff, maybe chrome gearbox casing as well while you are at it?

Bummer on the rad btw

Yea be nice to see the box casing chrome'd benn that would finish the bay off nicely.

[scott.parker]

I say break it for parts before you go rick draper on us all!..

[Benn]

I imagine an f28 is cheaper than a diff, maybe chrome gearbox casing as well while you are at it?

Bummer on the rad btw

I have a F28 in the garage, that will get a diff too.

I have plans for the casing too ;)



I say break it for parts before you go rick draper on us all!..

I do what i do to make it better(in my eyes) and cause i love doing it. Ph2 power will do me.

[scott.parker]

I was only kidding mate lol

IF it was me (but Ive got more then one car) i would take it off the road for a while and slowly build it for next year and for the better weather to return etc..

Scott

[Nick J]

Polishing the box will take a bit of time up! I know a few who have done it with great results etc. Suit your car too ;)

Nick.

[16v Nova Kev]

i drove a nova turbo yesterday with an f28 fitted.....meh dont get all the hype just something for the spec sheet.*imo*

[Count Vaux Alot]

Hybrid turbo....

[L14MNP]

Polishing the box will take a bit of time up! I know a few who have done it with great results etc. Suit your car too ;)

Nick.

I think you're meant to do that when you're banned from driving lol.
Who was that again?

Another vote for keep it off the road and improve it Benn.You're missing nothing this time of year, and the gritters willl be out again soon. :( Involuntary shot blasting sucks! lol

[ben doodar]

Is it your only car benn? Your daily runner? IMO I'd take it off the road fit the f28 and any other plans that you've made whilst it's off the road. I crashed my gsi 2 years ago due to the crappy weather and also remember at the time quite a few others crashing there cars due to it.
IMHO benn I wudnt run it through the winter do you really need a show class turbo nova to drive thru salt and snow? No I didn't think so.

Also why hasn't there been a feature on this car yet? Something your not intereted in?

Look forward to more updates.

[AlexW]

Id wait until the start of the new year, more likly to be snow on the roads then! Keep it on the road for now while its just wet. I presume you dont use the car much anyway?

[The Simps]

Sorry to hear of this bad luck my friend.

If you were planning on fitting the f28 for next season anyway you might aswell do it now while the car is part stripped. In regards to engine rebuild - if you can afford it. Do it once and do it right but will cost you.

To all the f28 haters it IS a much better box. Having owned both and not just driven the once or odd occasion it makes the car much more pleasant to drive - especially on the motorway.

[Alex J]

just make sure your ready for spring action day next year, you can do battle with my new rust bucketlol

[Benn]

I was only kidding mate lol

IF it was me (but Ive got more then one car) i would take it off the road for a while and slowly build it for next year and for the better weather to return etc..

Scott

Yeah, i think its prob best. I just like driving it that's all. And its the whole thing of is it worth fitting the F28..



Polishing the box will take a bit of time up! I know a few who have done it with great results etc. Suit your car too ;)

Nick.

I'll be giving the box to some one else to polish, don't think even i can be arsed to polish that up.. Should look great tho...



i drove a nova turbo yesterday with an f28 fitted.....meh dont get all the hype just something for the spec sheet.*imo*

No? See this is the prob, i've never driven one.. Why is there no one close to me with one...


Hybrid turbo....

lol don't really think i need that, i'm happy with the power as is Tbh. But the turbo might come your way for a check over.. Might see if you fancy doing some mount welding for me tho.. ;)



Is it your only car benn? Your daily runner? IMO I'd take it off the road fit the f28 and any other plans that you've made whilst it's off the road. I crashed my gsi 2 years ago due to the crappy weather and also remember at the time quite a few others crashing there cars due to it.
IMHO benn I wudnt run it through the winter do you really need a show class turbo nova to drive thru salt and snow? No I didn't think so.

Also why hasn't there been a feature on this car yet? Something your not intereted in?

Look forward to more updates.

Its Ben it's my only car, i can borrow my dads if i need too. So yeah its my daily car, one thing i've always liked is that its still my daily car.
The weather is a big factor, i try not to use it in the winter really as i dont want it getting covered in crap and salt so, its prob best, there is a large list to do...
No clue on the feature, i'd love it to be in there..

Cheers dude :)




Id wait until the start of the new year, more likly to be snow on the roads then! Keep it on the road for now while its just wet. I presume you dont use the car much anyway?

I try not too, but it does get used in the rain.



Sorry to hear of this bad luck my friend.

If you were planning on fitting the f28 for next season anyway you might aswell do it now while the car is part stripped. In regards to engine rebuild - if you can afford it. Do it once and do it right but will cost you.

To all the f28 haters it IS a much better box. Having owned both and not just driven the once or odd occasion it makes the car much more pleasant to drive - especially on the motorway.

Don't worry, is my own fault really.. Shouldn't have tried to find the pipe.
I had planed to fit the F28 over the winter yes.. Just wanna make sure fitting the F28 is the way to go... As i've never driven with one before and its not something if i don't like i can change..
I can afford a engine re build, have alot of the stuff already (zlet oil pump and stuff other stuff is small really, might fit ARP's but are they really worth it when i'm not upping power that much, billet flywheel and new clutch and maybe a Quafe) Not much more really needed engine wise, just wanna stop the oil leak (oil pump gasket i think) and have a new head cause the stem seals are leaking..

Being able to drive on the motorway at under 4k would be nice.. Is that really the only difference?



just make sure your ready for spring action day next year, you can do battle with my new rust bucketlol

lol it will be don't worry. Even if i let off, cant believe how easily you past me...:cry: lol

[krobinson]

F28 FTW :-)

Do it all now!

[The Simps]

F28 is stronger than f20 so you know it will cope with power better. Only real prob is the syncro's failing.

It just really drives nicer Benn. Sat doing say 70/80 on motorway then planting your foot in 6th on Ph2 is a hoot! You'll be 130+ is next to nothing!

[Benn]

F28 FTW :-)

Do it all now!

lol cheers dude.


F28 is stronger than f20 so you know it will cope with power better. Only real prob is the syncro's failing.

It just really drives nicer Benn. Sat doing say 70/80 on motorway then planting your foot in 6th on Ph2 is a hoot! You'll be 130+ is next to nothing!

I have a good box here ready and if i fit it i'll diff it too. So i'm not worried about that. Its the fact once i cut the mount off its a have to have that gear box.. Plus not having driven one before i dont know what they are like...

[MattBrown]

lol cheers dude.



I have a good box here ready and if i fit it i'll diff it too. So i'm not worried about that. Its the fact once i cut the mount off its a have to have that gear box.. Plus not having driven one before i dont know what they are like...

I have a mount somwhere for f20 on a 28 mount:thumb:

[Benn]

Yeah, guess it should be to hard to make really...

Any one know where i can get the F28 body mount from? I have the box mount...

[MattBrown]

Yeah, guess it should be to hard to make really...

Any one know where i can get the F28 body mount from? I have the box mount...

ebay:thumb:

[Benn]

Link? I have a quick look and didn't find much (a while ago) after CAM closed down.

[Nova Baz]

here you go

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NOVA-F28-GEARBOX-CONVERSION-MOUNT-KIT-2-0-16V-C20LET-/360307249991?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item53e3fc5347

[Benn]

Cheers dude!

[krobinson]

As Simps said, on long motorway runs the F28 is great, you can sit at 80mph off boost, and when you nail it, you can just hit silly speeds.

[discoinferno]

i d fit the f28, but if you have no gripes with the f20 then stick with that, at your power level the f20 will be reliable

[Ernie]

Dave Marshal is running a f20 with a atb on his turbo nova and works fine mate.

[Benn]

As Simps said, on long motorway runs the F28 is great, you can sit at 80mph off boost, and when you nail it, you can just hit silly speeds.

You can sit at 80 off boost with an f20 dude, its just loud at you'll be at 4k rpm.


i d fit the f28, but if you have no gripes with the f20 then stick with that, at your power level the f20 will be reliable

I haven't no, have a spare f20 just in case...


Dave Marshal is running a f20 with a atb on his turbo nova and works fine mate.

Does he?

[Nick J]

Dave has used an F20 with diff in his since it was built as an let....... Must be a fair few years now and its still going strong. ;) Although everyone knows the F28's are the stronger/better option it seems if you have a good f20 it can last for sometime. Your call at the end of the day fella.

Nick.

[Count Vaux Alot]

I'm happy to help if I can bud.

[ben doodar]

A mates running an f20 on his Saab powered astra and that's over 200bhp. Has had no problems with it tbf.

[Benn]

Dave has used an F20 with diff in his since it was built as an let....... Must be a fair few years now and its still going strong. ;) Although everyone knows the F28's are the stronger/better option it seems if you have a good f20 it can last for sometime. Your call at the end of the day fella.

Nick.

Yeah that's the prob, i have no clue what to do..


I'm happy to help if I can bud.

Be a bit of welding help..


A mates running an f20 on his Saab powered astra and that's over 200bhp. Has had no problems with it tbf.

Cool cool.

Its not so much the power and that, its more so is it worth going the F28 route with having to fit the mount and all that..

[Alex J]

f20 with a decent quaife gear set and diff gets my vote here;)

[discoinferno]

if you have an f20 and it works fine with no issues then why change????

at your power level ben a f20 will last

[Benn]

Lower rpm on the motorway would be nice.

Alex, what ever i do it will have a Quafe.

[Nova_Tek]

Lower rpm on the motorway would be nice.

Alex, what ever i do it will have a Quafe.

Get a F20 with a longer 5th gear ;)

[Paul]

F28 Imo

[Benn]

Get a F20 with a longer 5th gear ;)

Had thought of that.


F28 Imo

Yeah? Worth doing then?

[Mazz]

F18W 5th in the F20 Benn? I plan on doing that to mine..

[Benn]

Yeah, Dan's planning on doing it to his GTE so was gonna see what it was like.

[craig green]

F18W 5th in the F20 Benn? I plan on doing that to mine..

Thats like going from 2nd to 5th. Not as good an idea as it sounds.

what you really need is a an F20 from an Astra GTE valver with the correct FD ratio to suit Nova sized tyres (outer rolling radius) (Cav's n calibras run a big balloon tyres)

[Benn]

But GTE's don't come with 195/45/16...

[Balley]

Yeah but they come with 185/55 R14 which is roughly the same size overall @)

[Benn]

Found on a longish drive i was having probs getting 5th gear. Thought it might be the cable hitting the linkage, till Dan noticed my gator was hitting the plastic on the gear stick..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9342.jpg

Now seeing the Cav ones have a hard shaped base, i thought i'd copy it.

Take one ripped cover,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9343.jpg

Cut the top off,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9344.jpg

I then simply glued the leather gator over the top, so it keeps the shape..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9345.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9347.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9348.jpg

Still not sure what to do on the gear box side tho....

[LEWI007]

Looks smart,

[discoinferno]

I'd stick with the f20 untill it gives up.... Or untill your current clutch gives up then it ll be time for f28 and a let clutch :)

[The Simps]

That seems the sensible approach disco.

[djbrowney]

that gator look ****e !!!

just go to trimers and get a proper one made up :)

[LEWI007]

You prob wont see the very bottom part when its fitted though iirc.

[Benn]

Looks smart,

Cheers,


I'd stick with the f20 untill it gives up.... Or untill your current clutch gives up then it ll be time for f28 and a let clutch :)

Tbh that is what i'm thinking about, the clutch does slip when i nail it in 5th..
Might just start buying the bits up so its ready when i wanna do it.


That seems the sensible approach disco.

Does look that way.. But then you have said fit the F28 in.


that gator look ****e !!!

just go to trimers and get a proper one made up :)

Why? Nova Gators are just a soft cover.. The bottom bit you can see you wont as the console sits over all that. Its there just for shape.

[Alex J]

that gator look ****e !!!

just go to trimers and get a proper one made up :)like yours and then sell it alllol

[The Simps]

Definately go f28 without question imo. What disco says makes economical sense. If its already slipping then just do it!

[scott.parker]

Paddle clutch friction plate ftw..

[Benn]

Definately go f28 without question imo. What disco says makes economical sense. If its already slipping then just do it!

Yeah? As said the clutch is starting to slip, but then again it was a £35 remanufacterd one that's done 30k now..lol


Paddle clutch friction plate ftw..

Been talking to Vxl guy on Mig that does the flywheels over a billet fly and uprated clutch, might have them both.

[garethcolley]

I'd just buy a GM clutch kit, they are fine for the power your running. Few mates have them in 300hp motors that get abused with no issues.

[Benn]

I can get a std LUK kit off the shelf at work.

[Lee H]

I fitted a new LUK turbo clutch and it slipped in 5th and 6th, have ended up with a Helix paddle now as its not nice taking the box on and off.

[scott.parker]

u
I fitted a new LUK turbo clutch and it slipped in 5th and 6th, have ended up with a Helix paddle now as its not nice taking the box on and off.

Say no more....

[Benn]

I fitted a new LUK turbo clutch and it slipped in 5th and 6th, have ended up with a Helix paddle now as its not nice taking the box on and off.

Really? I drove Jamie F's Astra GTE with a paddle and didn't like the on/off ness of it, i want normal clutch feel...

Guy on Mig does the uprated stuff, might be better to go for that then if you think the LUK stuff wont last.

[Lee H]

I don't like the paddle but it was the only one guaranteed not to slip so I had no alternative. Tried an uprated Helix cover with new turbo friction plate and it still slipped.

[R1CH]

I ran a std LUK GM clutch on mine for a good 18 month without it slipping once, that was with a brandnew billet flywheel as well.
That was with Phase2 @ 1bar, loads of 1/4 mile runs as well, when i was looking into sorting it all loads of folk seemed to be using the std LUK clutch without anyprobs.

[Benn]

I don't like the paddle but it was the only one guaranteed not to slip so I had no alternative. Tried an uprated Helix cover with new turbo friction plate and it still slipped.

Oh right, what power are you running thru it?


I ran a std LUK GM clutch on mine for a good 18 month without it slipping once, that was with a brandnew billet flywheel as well.
That was with Phase2 @ 1bar, loads of 1/4 mile runs as well, when i was looking into sorting it all loads of folk seemed to be using the std LUK clutch without anyprobs.

Good to know, Ph2 is the most mine will get, never done a 1/4mile run either so maybe a std LUK on would be ok..

[The Simps]

I was running a std clutch too Benn on mine for ages until it smashed to bits. Replaced it with another std one and never had to replace it again. If you can get a std kit cheap Benn I'd try that option first.

[Benn]

Yeah? See i know how you drive, so that makes me feel better.

Sat looking at the car today... Think i'm gonna take itt off the road, its been wet for the last 3days so... If i can help it keeping it a bit drier will help it in the long run. So many things i wanna do tho might turn in to a night mare...

[ben doodar]

Sounds like a plan then benn I bought a standard gm clutch for my let paid £60 off eBay for it. I spoke to a couple of guys I know from a vauxhall garage and they said almost any gm clutch for a let will be remanufactured from luk.

What are the other plans for it then benn. I Will look forward to more progress.

[ben doodar]

Sounds like a plan then benn I bought a standard gm clutch for my let paid £60 off eBay for it. I spoke to a couple of guys I know from a vauxhall garage and they said almost any gm clutch for a let will be remanufactured from luk.

What are the other plans for it then benn. I Will look forward to more progress.

[Benn]

Cheers Ben, plan wise.

Swap gear box,
Weld on mount and smooth in, which means paint side of or whole bay.
Re build gear box with a Quafe diff, make box look pretty,
Billet flywheel with new clutch,
Rebuild engine,
build up for Ph2,
Fully polish exhaust system,
Strip under side, bare metal, plate o/s rear sunroof drain, re seal under sides with the 3M stuff and paint,
New fuel lines,
Still want new wheels, so that means going back to 4stud.

Think that's it.

[Edd]

get cracking lol

plans sound good

[Nick J]

Cheers Ben, plan wise.

Swap gear box,
Weld on mount and smooth in, which means paint side of or whole bay.
Re build gear box with a Quafe diff, make box look pretty,
Billet flywheel with new clutch,
Rebuild engine,
build up for Ph2,
Fully polish exhaust system,
Strip under side, bare metal, plate o/s rear sunroof drain, re seal under sides with the 3M stuff and paint,
New fuel lines,
Still want new wheels, so that means going back to 4stud.

Think that's it.


Not much then! May as well strip to a bare shell and send for acid dip at sametime! lol

Nick.

[Benn]

lol Cheers Edd, lots to do, but its one of those if i can this then i can do that...

Nick, just a few jobs. To much filler from smoothing for that.. lol lol (joke)

[ben doodar]

Sounds awesome. So you have decided on the f28? Best way IMO. Are you going body coloured underneath? Are you going for standard spec internals? And have you decided on any wheels yet? I'm sure at the way you work Ben you'll have it done in a month! lol

[Benn]

Ben,

Its prob just best to fit the F28, as the clutch will want doing soon anyway and i wanna rebuild the engine.

Yes fully colour coded underneath, std engine. swapping head as i have one i've very slowly building (will sell my Coscast turbo head on Ebay for mega money as they love them.. lol) Might fit some ARPs just cause i'll be in there. Do any and all seals and gaskets i didn't last time.
No clue on wheels yet, want a more Euro feeling wheel, just a bit different.
Doing the work will be done over say 2 months, as and when i can. Have a new lady to keep happy now too..lol

[Damo]

Nice choice going for the f28 benn will really finish the car IMO how are you going to get round the ARB lowering side of things run spacers? or mod the crossmember? will be intresting to see.

Damo.

[w_wall_2001]

benn if you decide to 4 stud again give me a shout if you wanna sell the 5 stud setup with the turbo wheels :thumb:


Cheers Ben, plan wise.

Swap gear box,
Weld on mount and smooth in, which means paint side of or whole bay.
Re build gear box with a Quafe diff, make box look pretty,
Billet flywheel with new clutch,
Rebuild engine,
build up for Ph2,
Fully polish exhaust system,
Strip under side, bare metal, plate o/s rear sunroof drain, re seal under sides with the 3M stuff and paint,
New fuel lines,
Still want new wheels, so that means going back to 4stud.

Think that's it.

[scott.parker]

Really? I drove Jamie F's Astra GTE with a paddle and didn't like the on/off ness of it, i want normal clutch feel...


See i don't think it's all that bad, i know it is not slippy/sloppy like standard stuff, but then if you get the feel of it you'll learn to love it, i did/do, and can drive it fine with it, just takes a bit of thought to use it first.

Ask Iain/Mazz what they thought of it in mine, i just love the fact you can nail it, then dump it into the next gear and bang your in the back of seat and straight back in the power band again..

Rebuild plan sounds bang on mate..

Scott

[Benn]

Nice choice going for the f28 benn will really finish the car IMO how are you going to get round the ARB lowering side of things run spacers? or mod the crossmember? will be intresting to see.

Damo.

That's a good point, i hadn't thought of that till now.. A spacer on the rear of the wish bone and then a bit of mount play on the front should sort that i hope.


benn if you decide to 4 stud again give me a shout if you wanna sell the 5 stud setup with the turbo wheels :thumb:

Some one else has already asked about it all, sorry dude.


See i don't think it's all that bad, i know it is not slippy/sloppy like standard stuff, but then if you get the feel of it you'll learn to love it, i did/do, and can drive it fine with it, just takes a bit of thought to use it first.

Ask Iain/Mazz what they thought of it in mine, i just love the fact you can nail it, then dump it into the next gear and bang your in the back of seat and straight back in the power band again..

Rebuild plan sounds bang on mate..

Scott

I'm sure when your used to it its great yeah, but in traffic and stuff its not easy or nice is it... I still want the car to be fully usable and for me to be happy to take it on long drives to get parts.

Cheers.

[sparkie1401]

nice work on the gaitor benn, hopefully the one i had made will fit as i put an extra flap/skirt on it to go under the console

haha new lady , good news, like you said ud happily be a kept man lol

did you see my steering wheel?

[Mazz]

tbh, at first i didn't realise Scott's had a paddle in it! Yes, it was a little snatchy, but nothing mega..

[scott.parker]

tbh, at first i didn't realise Scott's had a paddle in it! Yes, it was a little snatchy, but nothing mega..

There not as bad as some people think, and I'm guessing they are all different pending on the type and what car there fitted in, as you say mines not massively off-on but is always there ready for the power when you need it to PERFORM.. :thumb:

[Benn]

nice work on the gaitor benn, hopefully the one i had made will fit as i put an extra flap/skirt on it to go under the console

haha new lady , good news, like you said ud happily be a kept man lol

did you see my steering wheel?

Cheers dude, when did i say about being a kept man? But yeah i would.. Think of the Nova you could build..lol

See your steering wheel?


tbh, at first i didn't realise Scott's had a paddle in it! Yes, it was a little snatchy, but nothing mega..

Yeah? Cool, Jamie's was proper on/off, didn't like it at all.



There not as bad as some people think, and I'm guessing they are all different pending on the type and what car there fitted in, as you say mines not massively off-on but is always there ready for the power when you need it to PERFORM.. :thumb:

Yeah i know you get 6 and 4 which must make a big diff. Think i might do with a std clutch for the time, means i can spend the money on a diff in stead.


Think what i might do if remove the F20, tie bar and lower arm, remove the gear box mount and get the F28 in, work out to get it fitting right and get the mount fitted. So i can test it all. Then remove engine and box and smooth and paint everything.

Then refit engine and box, then do the under sides.... But not sure if its best to do it that way or not..

[The Simps]

Do it that way when. Getting the mount and especially linkage right can be a pain! Will be better to get it all running then strip down, smooth and spray.

[sparkie1401]

you said once in "pics of your mrs", you'd happily be a kept man lol

my steering wheel in my WIP thread

[Rick Draper]

Good choice on the box benn. Just take your time fitting the mount and take into account the fact the rubber engine mount will sag that will drop the box down a little bit once its all bolted up and the engine and box are hung off it properly.

[Benn]

Do it that way when. Getting the mount and especially linkage right can be a pain! Will be better to get it all running then strip down, smooth and spray.

That's that i'm thinking,


Good choice on the box benn. Just take your time fitting the mount and take into account the fact the rubber engine mount will sag that will drop the box down a little bit once its all bolted up and the engine and box are hung off it properly.

As to what Si said too, this is the bit that worries me, getting the box fitted in the right place to everything is level and works right. As there's no "fit it like this and it's perfect" or any guilds. Its just a case of get it level and sitting straight. What needs to be done to the linkage?
F20 Quafe is fine in a F28 isn't it? Dave B has offered me his...


you said once in "pics of your mrs", you'd happily be a kept man lol

my steering wheel in my WIP thread

Wouldn't we all? lol I'll have a looking at your Wip.

[The Simps]

I "think" the f20 quaiffe just need a spacer to fit the f28 but someone here will be able to confirm that.

Benn, while your engine is complete just bolt the f28 up and put it all back in to get a true idea of weight and sag as Rick has said then when you feel happy tack it up.

[Rick Draper]

Just take your time fitting the mount and keep double checking it and check again!

To make sure my mate got the engine straight he tied some string to the strut top bolts on each side of the bay for a reference line. You could do this then take some measurements to where the engine sits at the moment with the F20.

Linkage wise we just cut the bar down as you would do with a corsa conversion. Sure someone on here will have a pic.

O and yes the F20 quaife will go in a F28 with a spacer the only thing needed. Steveboyslim on mig can supply you one of them i believe.

[Benn]

Si, gonna remove the f20 in the car and re fit the f28 in car then bolt it up and go that way so everything can be set up to where it should be.

Rick, that's quite a good plan. Only things to check are that the engine is level and straight tho.. No? But having it in car i can fit the shafts and everything to make sure every thing lines up ok.

I'll have a lookie for linkage pics, wasn't Dan selling them all rose jointed and stuff?

Cheers for the spacer info, that's the one you need for going 2wd too isnt it?

[ben doodar]

http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98463

Bit of a guide that simps did on fitting the f28 and modding the linkage.

I've worried that I may of welded my f28 mount on a touch to low. So if it turns out I have, I'll mod the mount that bolts to the gearbox or make a new one so that the holes are lower that bolt to the rubber mount, thus lifting the gearbox up!

[Rick Draper]

I slotted the holes on the gearbox mount (where it bolts to the rubber) so i could raise or lower the box a bit if i needed to.

Benn Dan was doing the linkages but he is a lazy lesbian and cud not be bothered doing them after he has made a couple (bit like the story of his life LMAO). O and yes its just to check its straight and level but it might also be worth checking how the engine fits at the min as you may find out its not 100% straight or level due to tolerances etc.

[Rick Draper]

Double post

[Benn]

http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98463

Bit of a guide that simps did on fitting the f28 and modding the linkage.

Ah cool i'll have a read.



I slotted the holes on the gearbox mount (where it bolts to the rubber) so i could raise or lower the box a bit if i needed to.

Benn Dan was doing the linkages but he is a lazy lesbian and cud not be bothered doing them after he has made a couple (bit like the story of his life LMAO). O and yes its just to check its straight and level but it might also be worth checking how the engine fits at the min as you may find out its not 100% straight or level due to tolerances etc.

Good idea, i'll look in to that. That's about normal for Dan isn't it..lol

I'll have a look tomoz at taking so measurement to use to help work out what's level and what's not..

Cheers for the help.

[R1CH]

Don't think having the gearbox mount holes slotted is a good idea, shouldn't need to either really, once you got it sitting exactly where you want it and its welded up its not going to anywhere.
If you are abit concerned about getting it level, weld the mount on a few mm higher then you can just space the mount from the chassis, lowering it to exactly where you want.

[VXNova87]

great mate keep up the good work!

[Lee H]

Cheers for the spacer info, that's the one you need for going 2wd too isnt it?

No, two different things.

The F20 diff needs a spacer so that the F28 bearing can fit on the F20 diff.

The 2wd drive thing is used to blank off where the transfer box used to go and create a seal round the inner CV.

[Benn]

great mate keep up the good work!

Cheers.


No, two different things.

The F20 diff needs a spacer so that the F28 bearing can fit on the F20 diff.

The 2wd drive thing is used to blank off where the transfer box used to go and create a seal round the inner CV.

Oh right, i know about the 2wd spacer.

Where can i get a spacer for the diff from? Before i mess about buying a diff to have to buy more..

[Lee H]

Whichever diff you buy you will have a spacer of some sort.

On a F28 one you need one to go over the inner CV before it goes into the diff and on an F20 one you just need one to take the F28 bearing.

I bought an F20 diff in the end as it was slightly cheaper.

Steveboyslim can provide the spacer for the F20 diff.

[Benn]

Dave B has offered me his diff, so i might buy that, if i can get it at the right price. That's in a F20 at the mo.. If not i'll have to buy one new..

If its new it will have the right spacer then? That will make it easier.

[The Simps]

If you are abit concerned about getting it level, weld the mount on a few mm higher then you can just space the mount from the chassis, lowering it to exactly where you want.


Top idea :thumb:

[Rick Draper]

Meh slotted mounts FTW. Never had ant problem on my car and that had a slotted drivers side mount for years.

[The Simps]

Yeah but yours didn't go anywhere for years Rick lol

[Ernie]

++ rep added lol

[Benn]

lol cheers for the tips guys.

[L14MNP]

Loads of updates on a Benn thread containing technical info and no pretty pictures. :(

[dan16v]

Yeah but yours didn't go anywhere for years Rick lol

It never went any where period!lol

Worst case it you do get it wrong you can just remove the gearbox mount and weld up the two mount holes and then re-drill them uin the correct position or do as Rick said slot the holes.

[L14MNP]

Good to see you gathering all of the info first mate. :thumb:

[Benn]

Loads of updates on a Benn thread containing technical info and no pretty pictures. :(

Cheeky, i always try and give tech info.. No pics yet as i've not done anything yet...

[ben doodar]

Come on benn. I've checked the projects everyday waiting to see an update.
Enlighten us please. lol

[Benn]

Sorry dude.

So, i'm gonna fit the F28, gonna pop and pick up a empty casing for ease of fitting. I have the mount kit here ready. So i can start stripping the bay as soon as the guy i've asked to weld it on lets me know a price.

F28 will be rebuilt by Pitstoppete off Mig, I'll make the out sides look pretty. Will be fitted with a Quafe diff, new LUK clutch and a light weight billet flywheel.

Then i need to remove the engine for a bit of rebuilding fun. Might fit a set of APRs, get the engine all sorted, Picking up a Phase 2 ECU and boost adjuster thing which will be fitted along with a xe inlet cam and adjustable QED pulley.

Then i'll be smoothing in the F28 mount and working out if i paint the whole bay or not. While doing that i'll strip the under side bare and 3M seal that and paint that body colour. While i'm in the rear arches, might look in to turreting it too..lol
That will be a job for Mr Welder tho...

[Paul]

Not considering the paddle clutch then Benn?

[scott.parker]

I would mate..

Benn's not sold on them though.

[Paul]

i wouldnt go back now, nto with turbo power anyway

[scott.parker]

Personally i love them! makes me laugh, loads of people think there doing a burn out at the drag strip but most with a non sld and normal clutch are spinning the near side wheel and burning the clutch, i know with the atb and the paddle I'm doing a proper burn out etc, cant fault it..

Scott

[Benn]

I drove Jamie F's TB'ed Astra with one, really didn't like the on/off of it, have driven two Evos with them too and found them the same. I like the softness of a normal clutch, makes town/traffic driving easier.
Which is something i want. I have talked to vxlgsi who does the flywheels about uprated clutch bits. There arn't cheap! But
flat type with paddle will do 293lb/ft Cant see i'm gonna get that out of what i've planned, so surely a normal one will be fine...

[dan16v]

Just get a helix mate with an organic plate.

[Benn]

Dude their like £350....

[dan16v]

so? do it right, do it once!

[Benn]

I have a £35 remanucfactored(sp?) clutch in it at the mo, its lasted almost two years with the let in (2years with the xe) and its only slips when powering on in 5th...

[Nova_Tek]

^ where you get that from? Details Benn, details! lol

[Benn]

My work, i got it before i worked there, Re-made by National.. I was proper poor back then (working in the bodyshop) so £35 quid was great. Its gotta have done 15k+. I think its hugely down to how you drive...

[Nova_Tek]

Would you be able to get it again i.e. for me? DId you get it in bits or a kit? (as from what I remember you need the LET pressure plate and XE friction discs to use with the F20)

[dan16v]

I have a £35 remanucfactored(sp?) clutch in it at the mo, its lasted almost two years with the let in (2years with the xe) and its only slips when powering on in 5th...

If i had a daily driver and the clutch needed changing every 2 years i would not be happylol

[The Simps]

I've only ever changed 1 clutch on a daily car in 10yrs of driving and that was because I got the car cheap with a tired clutch lol.

The Nova has only ever had 3 clutches. The XE one for about 4-5yrs then a LUK let one when I fitted the f28. That lasted 2 yrs until a day at the Pod smashed it to bits!

You say about not hitting that torque figure Benn but I was seeing over 300lbft on a RR on P2 and head mods.

[Benn]

Would you be able to get it again i.e. for me? DId you get it in bits or a kit? (as from what I remember you need the LET pressure plate and XE friction discs to use with the F20)

I might be able too, not sure tho. No this is all Xe bits as its being used on a F20 and flat flywheel.


If i had a daily driver and the clutch needed changing every 2 years i would not be happylol

If i had to change it with in 2years then i'd fit an uprated one..



I've only ever changed 1 clutch on a daily car in 10yrs of driving and that was because I got the car cheap with a tired clutch lol.

The Nova has only ever had 3 clutches. The XE one for about 4-5yrs then a LUK let one when I fitted the f28. That lasted 2 yrs until a day at the Pod smashed it to bits!

You say about not hitting that torque figure Benn but I was seeing over 300lbft on a RR on P2 and head mods.

Will it give that much torque? So you think its best to go uprated too?

[The Simps]

I fitted a Courtenay uprated one at the last change. Wasn't a paddle clutch style tho. Mine was driven similar to you really. No burnouts or launches just normal emphatic driving with the odd trackday.

[Rich]

I would at least go with a helix organic clutch, also your aware the let pressure plate is a bit stronger than the xe? Why are you using a flat flywheel?

[matthew172]

just sold a paddle clutch plate would have been spot on for you

[Nova_Tek]

I might be able too, not sure tho. No this is all Xe bits as its being used on a F20 and flat flywheel.

Ahh right, I currently have a LET fly so I'll need the pressure plate fomr one.

But if you could find out mate I'll appreciate that loads. :thumb:

[Benn]

I fitted a Courtenay uprated one at the last change. Wasn't a paddle clutch style tho. Mine was driven similar to you really. No burnouts or launches just normal emphatic driving with the odd trackday.

Been told you cant gt the uprated ones any more, that's why the price is high.. I think.


I would at least go with a helix organic clutch, also your aware the let pressure plate is a bit stronger than the xe? Why are you using a flat flywheel?

Why? What's the diff between them and a LUK one? And yeah i know the pressure plate is stronger, would like one for that reason. Flat flywheel is nicer to drive with over a pot one (on a xe anyway) and my flat one has been lightened too, which mates the drive even better.



just sold a paddle clutch plate would have been spot on for you

Oh :(


Ahh right, I currently have a LET fly so I'll need the pressure plate fomr one.

But if you could find out mate I'll appreciate that loads. :thumb:

I can look in to it dude.

[Benn]

Started stripping the car down today ready for the gear box swap.

Mid way..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/27112010375.jpg

Can see a prob..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/27112010376.jpg

Ah yes, silly me i smoothed the mount it, so finding where the mouth starts and stops and where the spot welds are will be fun..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/27112010377.jpg

Ah well, grinder out and cut the thing off then clean up. The box is now all ready to come out every things off.

Stripped the shaft down ready for chroming.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/27112010378.jpg

Aswell as the ties bars, might as well sexy them up at the same time.. ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/27112010379.jpg

Pics are a bit poo cause they are from my phone which was misting up in the cold... Sorry the bays dirty too..lol More soon.

[Knighty SRi]

Love this nova, best 1 i've seen ... keep up the good work Benn

[ben doodar]

Nice to see some progress mate.

[Nova_Tek]

Getting stuck in... nice!

[Benn]

Cheers Knighty,

Ben, didn't really get much done/as much as i'd have liked. But i want a hand when it comes to removing it as the engine will be standing/being supported as it will only have one mount on it and i'll be tugging at it to get the box off.

Need to take a few measurement to moz.

Cheers Tex.

[Cle]

Love all the smoothed bits :) :thumb:

[Benn]

Cheers Cle.

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Got the box off to day with help from Dan (cheers dude)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9365.jpg

Mean i can now cut the mount of and stuff...

Hhmm odd wear...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9367.jpg

Cant really see it, but the bearing face is mirror finished..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9366.jpg

With the clutch off, we noticed that it only has wear on the outer half inch...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9368.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9372.jpg

Hight spot, only one tho...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9371.jpg

No real wear here, even tho it's been slipping..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9374.jpg

Hhhmmm smell the cheapness...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9376.jpg

Now the flywheel has these odd marks... Should they be there?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9377.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9379.jpg

Now for years with struggled like c**ts getting the flywheels off as it seems to come off every engine swap. So i picked up a pair of these, why i haven't before..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9380.jpg

Lock and hold the teeth very well. Made it easy getting the bottom pulley bolt off too

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9381.jpg

Got to get some new cutting discs to remove the mount, then its all go.

[The Simps]

Loving those locking thingies! They universal or vaux specific? How much? Where from?

Looking forward to seeing the grinder out...

[Benn]

They are from draper via work, says fits all engines as they are slotted. But then on the box says they are only meant for ****ron engines... But as you can see they fit, but will need the holes opening if you wanna use a normal gearbox bolt (i have nut and bolts)

Gonna weld up the two holes in front of the mount too for a cleaner look.

[Edd]

Nice too see some progress Benn

Any idea how much retail those flywheel locking tools are ? I could do with a pair

Edd

[Benn]

They are about a tenner each... Want me to order a few? lol


What about the odd wear?

[Cle]

Ive done a few clutchs on cars and i havent seen those marks on the flywheel before, but tbh i havent really looked to see if they were there so could just be what happens.

[nova_stee]

The marks are just because of heat with the clutch sliping.

[Nova_Tek]

Good progress Benn :thumb:

[The Simps]

They are about a tenner each... Want me to order a few? lol


I'd happily Paypal you for one dude aslong as you dont send it to me in a penis shaped package labelled "SexShop.com"

[brucer]

the marks are from the clutch slipping and getting too hot. get some emery tape on it, wont make it perfect but something we always do at work when doing a clutch.

[Benn]

The marks are just because of heat with the clutch sliping.

Yeah? I've done clutches before, but not seen marks like it.


Good progress Benn :thumb:

Cheers.


I'd happily Paypal you for one dude aslong as you dont send it to me in a penis shaped package labelled "SexShop.com"

I'm happy with that, i'll check stock too moz.lol


the marks are from the clutch slipping and getting too hot. get some emery tape on it, wont make it perfect but something we always do at work when doing a clutch.

Its all being replaced so it don't matter. Just wanted to know what it was from.

[Jeff16v]

Good progress Benn, chrome ahoy!

[Benn]

lol Cheers Jeff. Should be a bit more shiney come show time ;)

[krobinson]

How you getting on now petal?

[The Simps]

Seconded. And where's my little locking tool dude????

[Southie]

Thirded. Was the photoshop okay then?

[MK999]

Seconded. And where's my little locking tool dude????

Is that to finish the saloon? lol


Yes I'm stalking you.

The feature pics look awesome btw Benn :thumb:

[MattBrown]

Benn, do all motorfactors do them flywheel locks?

I have a stubborn bottom gulley Bolt on a mates engine down my garage.

Where can we get them?

[Adam]

Not many motor factors sell them locking tools. Most will probably be able order them from draper though.

The fly looks fine, yes its got hot as fook (everytime its used) lol
Benn, are there any cracks in the surface? Excess heat from slippage will cause cracking. If no cracks then its fine really.