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The Simps
06-01-11, 01:32 PM
Mine was strong enough just very tricky to remove! I'll dig the pics out later.
The Simps
06-01-11, 05:35 PM
Here's how I did mine....
Detach bracket from frame...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/03-07-082.jpg
Chop off brake pedal...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/03-07-084.jpg
Chop off spindle thingy retained circlip...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/05-07-081.jpg
Put all back in place and trim up your cut off brake pedal til it fits nice...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/05-07-082.jpg
Weld in place...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/06-07-089.jpg
It works fine but when you want to remove the assembly you have to slide it out to the left of the welded piece but because the frame is on a captive bolt to the bulkhead you have to pull it towards you and left and its a bit awkward. You could drill out the bolt to put a normal one in I suppose.
I copied Simps design, works well, but you don't need to bend it about or chop the bolt off you MANIAC, just slot it on the back/side like this:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/CorsaBrakeMods.JPG
The Simps
06-01-11, 07:07 PM
Can't really see from the pic but have you slotted the bracket where it meets the bulkhead? If so - smart move! Thats why yours is nearly done and mine is way off! lol
Changed pic for a close-up so not to spam Ben's thread lol
The Simps
06-01-11, 07:21 PM
The only problem we have Iain is that both of our setups are untested as such but as long as his battery tray area is solid I dont see any problems.
To be fair, James' way was untested too as he got too scared to drive his and sold it I believe?
Craig (green) did about 6k on his corsa pedal set up with no probs
Count Vaux Alot
06-01-11, 07:28 PM
Yer that's correct Simps a bit like your avoidance tactics...cut the **** out of it and leave it that way so you can't drive it. Besides I've got another one and that will probably be finished befor yours lol
To be fair, James' way was untested too as he got too scared to drive his and sold it I believe?
Least he started it
The Simps
06-01-11, 07:34 PM
I'm lovin this foreplay James x
lol well yea i supose it is matey!! im abit off a perfectionit aswell though mate so watch my sr when i have the money to get it done!! but respect for striping it a week after the photo's for the feature was done lol
I am very much, hence why it's off the road again. I didn't strip it, at first the turbo busted the rad. Then i didn't touch it thinking as the weather is becoming back i might as well just keep it off the road.
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Christ you two, your both as bas as each other. You've both build awesome cars then stopped. And not used them.
I'm not sure if i wanna do it, as much as i love an empty bay i don't know if it will be too far and look crap..
Off to look at my pics...
Cheers for the pics tho, they do help to see what i'd need to do and that.
Tbh i'm not sure if i like it with out the servo in there..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/crap/100_2546.jpg
Yeah looks empty but think its a bit too empty..
Iain did this.. Not sure...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/crap/Benn.jpg
I've been looking thru my pics, there's a few that have been colour coded and even polished, which might be a way to go...
The Simps
06-01-11, 08:13 PM
The std servo etc is damn ugly! Must be someway to make it look sexual.
The std servo etc is damn ugly! Must be someway to make it look sexual.
Tarting it up, paint/polish..
Plus if you fit 288s to a Corsa they barely work and have almost no pedal.. So as i've just got good braking back in my car i dont wanna lose it again...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/crap/Benn.jpg
that looks awesome, obs you will be able to see the steering rack/chrome drive shafts abit more as well!
I think top pic looks awesome tbh, would be even better if you could hide the carbs/dizzy etc!
See i'm not sure... Dont want it to be too empty.. Plus the probs with the Corsa power in the servo/mc.
See i'm not sure... Dont want it to be too empty.. Plus the probs with the Corsa power in the servo/mc.
Corsa MC is stronger than the nova one, the problem with 288's is worse on novas than it is with the corsa MC.
I had 288 on mine and they worked but where poo. My mate had them on his SRI Corsa and they didn't work at all... Seen loads of threads about the brakes hardly working when 288s have been fitted..
Well a lot of corsa drivers are female? :confused: lol
afaik Corsa MC is larger than the nova one, corsa's are 100 kilo's heavier I guess but ad didn't like 288's on his because they were too grabby, so I doubt it's that causing it.
Was, cause we put the 256s back on and it was fine.. Seen threads on C/S and Mig over it too...
Mark Sparks
06-01-11, 09:00 PM
Had same prob on my old gsi but once i adjusted the brake pedal they were fine did the same on the sport no problem
I think top pic looks awesome tbh, would be even better if you could hide the carbs/dizzy etc!
he's working on that, he sold the carbs and is now building it with TB's.
how about 2 sexy wilwood mc's benn?
i've driven a astra mk3 gsi 16v with 288, and it was rubbish... pedal travel was huge
he's working on that, he sold the carbs and is now building it with TB's.
how about 2 sexy wilwood mc's benn?
i've driven a astra mk3 gsi 16v with 288, and it was rubbish... pedal travel was huge
I meant, updraft carbs hidden out of line of sight or something... floating engine syndrome
Benn, i thought you'd got 4pots fitted???
MK-The problem with 288s is the big piston calipers need a load of mc travel to operate them, so your brake pedal goes like half down its travel before you get any braking.
Pedal is spot on with my current 284s, you just have to get used to there feel etc before hammering it, because you can lock the wheels up at like 110mph in mine lol
You can adjust the travel though with the nut/pin on the brake transfer bar behind the dash.
Yeah I knew what the issue is with them, thought it was better with the corsa MC though, so my point was if he has a good pedal now with 4 pots it will be well within reach on the corsa MC
Pedal should definitely be better with the corsa setup
I do have 4pots now and the brake feel is really nice, am final happy with it.
So dont really wanna mess about again with it...
Mayhem, dude you need to get him to do a build thread and link me too it, i love his car... A Wilwood MC would loo much better.. But servo less isn't a great feel to them really..
Cracked on today..
Started by sanding off the fiber glass for a smooth mount.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9449.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9450.jpg
Then gave up as i forgot to bring a block home to get it fully flat, so thought i should crack on with stripping the engine down..
Bottom pulley and alt off, you can see the mess from the oil leak..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9455.jpg
Started taking the inlet off and i noticed this...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9453.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9451.jpg
Hhmm the stud has unwound it's self out of the inlet.. Both sides! So i could lift it up at the back...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9452.jpg
Light is to show the gap..( that's with out me lifting it!)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9454.jpg
Inlet off,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9463.jpg
Oil cap and leads out..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9464.jpg
Removing the rocker cover the quick way...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9462.jpg
Cam belt off and cams out..(you can see the oil leak is higher than the sump..)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9460.jpg
Timing all correct..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9456.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9459.jpg
Grease has come out of the pulley..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9457.jpg
Belts all ok tho, having done maybe 5k...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9458.jpg
Plugs are all ok bar number 4 is oily..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9466.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9467.jpg
(More updates a page back)
Head bolts coming unbolt... "spiral!"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9468.jpg
Hhmm nothing bad...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9469.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9473.jpg
Hg was ok and looks quite new.. (making me think the guy that owned it before the nugget i bought it from did look after it and did have it rebuilt)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9472.jpg
Pistons are dirty but look fine, no marks on them..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9470.jpg
Hard to get a pic, but you can still see the honing marks in the bores... Are the other marks anything to worry about? I cant feel them...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9471.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9477.jpg
Head looks ok...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9474.jpg
Number 4, the dirtiest...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9475.jpg
It's all about the labels baby... That will sell on Ebay nicely and get some money back..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9476.jpg
Swing the engine over... Get the sump off.
Still some dirty oil in it tho...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9478.jpg
This shows nicely it wasn't the sump gasket leaking...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9479.jpg
Both sides are fine and dry..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9482.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9480.jpg
All clean and clear in there...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9481.jpg
Oil pump off..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9486.jpg
Gasket was old and leaking all the way around..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9484.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9485.jpg
There i moved to a bit of cleaning..
Sump and exhaust system all de-greased and jet washed ready to go to the polishers...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9487.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9489.jpg
Boxes are ok, but i want them better and want the tubing to be mirror finished too.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9490.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9491.jpg
System has got stained from heat and oil..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9492.jpg
Polishing should get that all out ok...
Then moved on to my fav job.... Valve grinder in.. All the inlet side are done and cleaned, just the exhaust to do, but my back hurts.. So can wait till tomoz.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9493.jpg
Got these today as well, from Ebay. Came next day too.. As i was missing 3, think they'll need a light polish too.. ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9494.jpg
I'm done.
comptoncj
08-01-11, 05:24 PM
Good Progress, makes me want to go and work on my nova
scott.parker
08-01-11, 05:28 PM
Nice! did you know it was coscast?
All looks good though dude..
another load of top work coming on then bud.
:thumb:
Count Vaux Alot
08-01-11, 05:37 PM
Good update mate and great use of the term 'nugget' lol if you want any bits blasting let me know.
Do it Comp.
Nice! did you know it was coscast?
All looks good though dude..
Thought it was, then knew when i got it home and had a lookie. Ebay kids love them adds 50bhp you know...
another load of top work coming on then bud.
:thumb:
Cheers dude.
Good update mate and great use of the term 'nugget' lol if you want any bits blasting let me know.
Cheers dude, and well he was a nugget. Dont think i have anything i need blasting. But get on msn and we can talk turbo re-furbs...
krobinson
08-01-11, 06:09 PM
Good work Benn, I've a simaliar leak on the gearbox side, i'm fairly sure its the crankshaft oil seal, so thats getting sorted soon :-)
Keep up the great work!
LEWI007
08-01-11, 06:10 PM
I love that 'action figure' thats been in the photos for a long time lol
Count Vaux Alot
08-01-11, 06:20 PM
Going out to night so will have to chat tomorrow :)
Good work.
Just wind the inlet/tb studs back in?
Good work Benn, I've a simaliar leak on the gearbox side, i'm fairly sure its the crankshaft oil seal, so thats getting sorted soon :-)
Keep up the great work!
Cheers dude, oil leaks stuck. Mine got to the point when it was getting out of hand and getting everyone so needed doing. The guys that did my Tv shoot weren't happy it dipped on the floor.. And it killed a set of Mintex m1144 pads too :(
I love that 'action figure' thats been in the photos for a long time lol
Yeah he's always posing.. He loves it.
Going out to night so will have to chat tomorrow :)
Living the good life again i see... Talk to moz.
Good work.
Just wind the inlet/tb studs back in?
I will as long as it hasn't pulled the threads out..
The Simps
08-01-11, 06:42 PM
Good progress today bud.
What running probs where you having with the car (I'm sure I remember you having a prob???) linked to the air leak from the manifold perhaps??
was the engine sitting before you got it?
it looks like a piston ring mark in the below picture. ill highlight it if needed :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9471.jpg
and that doesnt look brill lol. can you feel the small pits? feel a lip?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9477.jpg
Rick Draper
08-01-11, 07:53 PM
Looks good Benn.
When you refit the oil pump use a genuine GM metal oil pump gasket.
davidfox280585
08-01-11, 07:56 PM
off topic benn but read your feature today and ca loked awesome well done:thumb:
keep up the good work
Martin, I don't know. I got a few bills and stuff but it was all from the guy that owned it before the guy i got it from, Lee303s just been saying the same.
I cant feel anything on it no.
Rick, cheers dude. I have a new GM metal gasket here ready for the job.
Cheers David.
Good progress today bud.
What running probs where you having with the car (I'm sure I remember you having a prob???) linked to the air leak from the manifold perhaps??
Missing when cold.. Boging down kinda thing.
Cheers.
can you feel anything in this picture? as the marks look "deep" in terms on engines lol. it looks like there are small rust particles inside. the bores should all be sweet like my second pic lol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9477.jpg
http://ocmhz.com/33_ford_coupe/engine/images/33engine_block_bores.jpg
http://www.pulsargtir.com/Images/honed.jpg
Martin those pics are of freshly bored/honed engines, Your never see a used engine in that condition.
The Simps
09-01-11, 12:48 AM
I dont know a lot about these things but can you not get it slighly bored and honed again with new rings to match? While its apart I'd deck/skim the block too to make sure its straight.
can you feel anything in this picture? as the marks look "deep" in terms on engines lol. it looks like there are small rust particles inside.
No that's is my point, cant feel anything with my finger. Had no probs with compression either..
I know how a bore will look when just honed or bored.
Si,
Yeah i can get a honing done then re ring it. I cant see why i'd need to skim it when there was no probs with the hg or anything..
Like he says, to make sure it's straight, however a steel rule and daylight also works for this :)
I know that, but what i mean is... Is it wasn't then the hg wouldn't seal...
I am gonna check it's flatness tho.
davidfox280585
09-01-11, 06:14 PM
to be fair benn i got a head from a friend he said it was a good non porous head and came from a running car,i had it pressure tested and the skim they did was very very light and to be fair after seeing how much had been skimmed i wouldnt bother,cost me £75 for pressure test and skim,if id already knew the head like you know yours i wouldnt bother skimming it its £75 better spent elsewhere in my opinion,ps keep up the good work
i also enquired about the block and was advised by the engine builder that he has only known of a warped block twice in 30 years of engine work
to be fair benn i got a head from a friend he said it was a good non porous head and came from a running car,i had it pressure tested and the skim they did was very very light and to be fair after seeing how much had been skimmed i wouldnt bother,cost me £75 for pressure test and skim,if id already knew the head like you know yours i wouldnt bother skimming it its £75 better spent elsewhere in my opinion,ps keep up the good work
i also enquired about the block and was advised by the engine builder that he has only known of a warped block twice in 30 years of engine work
What?
Mk, ah ok, yeah i'm gonna check it.
I know that, but what i mean is... Is it wasn't then the hg wouldn't seal...
I am gonna check it's flatness tho.
Yeah just backing up Simps on the fact his thinking is straight, just you don't need to go to those lengths to make absolutely sure its flat and level :p
I know that, but what i mean is... Is it wasn't then the hg wouldn't seal...
I am gonna check it's flatness tho.
Are you fitting a metal headgasket this time? If so they are not as forgiving as the standard headgaskets if the surfaces aren't perfectly flat.
i assume you are doing the valve guide seals whilst its apart?? as thats where the oil in number 4 will have come from i suspect, unless your turbo seals are dodgy? as for the pitting, its not ideal but not that bad at all. i would leave it but thats me, depends how anal you are lol
Decking the block isnt worth it unless your doing it to increase the CR. If the head looks alright, Don't worry with skimming it.
A hone may get those marks out, I was just being a picky ******* on msn, I'd want it perfect lol
Are you fitting a metal headgasket this time? If so they are not as forgiving as the standard headgaskets if the surfaces aren't perfectly flat.
I've been told to fit a gen Vauxhall one.. As i'm not going crazy on power or anything..(first time i've had it apart this much so)
i assume you are doing the valve guide seals whilst its apart?? as thats where the oil in number 4 will have come from i suspect, unless your turbo seals are dodgy? as for the pitting, its not ideal but not that bad at all. i would leave it but thats me, depends how anal you are lol
Yep that is the reason for this, couldn't really see any other way it would be leaking and burning it off, I'm getting a bit of oil from the turbo side so i wanna get that check over while it's all off.
I wanna get the engine done right this time, i'm thinking a hone. But as it's only that one bore i'm not sure if it's worth it..
Decking the block isnt worth it unless your doing it to increase the CR. If the head looks alright, Don't worry with skimming it.
A hone may get those marks out, I was just being a picky ******* on msn, I'd want it perfect lol
I'm being picky over everything this time tbf.
All my bores were fine Benn apart from one looking similar to yours in the pics.... My builders are very picky and I was advised to have it bored and honed because of this. Deck the block slightly and have the head skimmed. Stick a cometic gasket between the two and things should be spot on. As I needed pistons anyhow though the machine work wont cost me that much more. A set of forged pistons to match bore work however would obviously cost you a fair bit more. Depends how far you want to go I suppose! As sbs would say..... "How deep are your pockets!"! lol
Nick.
See i'm not sure what to do. So... Some people say its ok some dont.. But take it some where to be checked.. But then it was fine before..
if you take it anywhere to be checked they will blatantly say it needs doing just to get some business out of you
See i'm not sure what to do. So... Some people say its ok some dont.. But take it some where to be checked.. But then it was fine before..
Id take it to someone whom you trust for a good opinion. It would be a real pain if in eighteen months you have to go through it all again. (Mind you I bet you'd enjoy it! lol) Do the best you can within your budget Id say.
Nick.
My engine is a similar spec to what you will be running Benn but I fitted a cometic gasket and arp's throughout just for piece of mind that it would be stronger. Just wish I'd done the clutch and oil pump right first time......
That's the prob Luke,
Nick as above i don't have any where i trust.
My engine is a similar spec to what you will be running Benn but I fitted a cometic gasket and arp's throughout just for piece of mind that it would be stronger. Just wish I'd done the clutch and oil pump right first time......
I've been thinking about fitting ARP for piece of mind.
Is a Cometic really needed?
I bought my cometic due to piece of mind and not being a great deal of money off Steve
Are they not? Have just pm'ed him...
Think mine cost me about £100. I fitted it as I didn't want to be taking the head off again if the standard gasket wasn't up to it. Also my head had been skimmed a fair bit so I needed a thicker gasket.
sneakycorsa
09-01-11, 09:39 PM
I used a 3 mls head gasket of gaybay cost about 30 pound, along with deck & skim very light just so i had good mating surface, driven hard and always boosting hard, never had any problems.....
My head is unskimmed. I don't need a thicker gasket either.. After reading about the MLS ones i wouldn't use one, the blocking of water ways and the prone to rusting out is a no no to me. I wanna be able to fit it and then not look in it again for quite a while.
sneakycorsa
09-01-11, 09:50 PM
use a z20let gasket then ?
What the diff from a Clet and a Zlet one then?
My head is unskimmed. I don't need a thicker gasket either.. After reading about the MLS ones i wouldn't use one, the blocking of water ways and the prone to rusting out is a no no to me. I wanna be able to fit it and then not look in it again for quite a while.if the correct amount of anti freeze is used then it shouldnt rust, anyone who has had that problem obviously doesnt look after there car properly in the first place
sneakycorsa
09-01-11, 09:56 PM
iirc people say they am stronger & the bit between the bores are stronger as the the metal rings go all the way round a meet each other, Not sure if normal c20let gaskets do this, but i have used zlet gaskets before now & had no problems what so ever, I know of a few people who run them....
Zlet and cometic are both metal. Zlet one is the one where the waterways don't line up and you have to drill rivets out I think, hence why I didn't bother.
Jeff16v
09-01-11, 10:02 PM
To be honest Benn I would do the arp's and cometic gasket if I took mine out. It may mean another month or so due to cost but if you've got it out you may as well use the chance. Doesn't anyone on mig know someone round you to check the block?
sneakycorsa
09-01-11, 10:06 PM
http://www.max-boost.co.uk/max-boost/cylhead/cylinderhead.htm#head_gasket
This shows you how to fit zlet gasket, iirc i never drilled my rivits either...
MattBrown
09-01-11, 10:19 PM
Looks good ben.
Bores dont look anything of massive consearn, i'd look fooked after 100k miles on me lol
I would give it a light hone, and re ring and bearing the bottom end.
Also, why are you putting the head on ebay? Or is it an on going joke?
Looks good ben.
Bores dont look anything of massive consearn, i'd look fooked after 100k miles on me lol
I would give it a light hone, and re ring and bearing the bottom end.
Also, why are you putting the head on ebay? Or is it an on going joke?sell coscast head for £300, buy vaux head for £50 and £250 up = win!!
if the correct amount of anti freeze is used then it shouldnt rust, anyone who has had that problem obviously doesnt look after there car properly in the first place
From what i saw Steve saying, it's cause the gaskets starts to rust where the water is trapped.
Zlet and cometic are both metal. Zlet one is the one where the waterways don't line up and you have to drill rivets out I think, hence why I didn't bother.
Yeah that's what i don't like. I want everything to move freely.
To be honest Benn I would do the arp's and cometic gasket if I took mine out. It may mean another month or so due to cost but if you've got it out you may as well use the chance. Doesn't anyone on mig know someone round you to check the block?
I've been thinking of ARPs anyway. Gasket wise i was just thinking of using a GM one, which Lee303 and Disco both recommended.
Sadly there doesn't seem to be anyone local, us lot dont normally get in to bores, pistons and such.. But gonna ask more as i'm not sure.
http://www.max-boost.co.uk/max-boost/cylhead/cylinderhead.htm#head_gasket
This shows you how to fit zlet gasket, iirc i never drilled my rivits either...
Bit odd. Altho that says about drilling it...
Looks good ben.
Bores dont look anything of massive consearn, i'd look fooked after 100k miles on me lol
I would give it a light hone, and re ring and bearing the bottom end.
Also, why are you putting the head on ebay? Or is it an on going joke?
Cheers dude, i have thought of new rings, i just hate all the running in sh*te you have to do after new rings and that and the worry of it they don't bed it and such.
Where better to sell a head worth funk all for mega money.. Remember its Coscast and from a Let, then means its mega rare and worse £££££. I sold a Coscast head from a xe on there and got 300 quid for it.. So that gives me some money back as it looks like i'll be spending more..
MattBrown
09-01-11, 10:33 PM
Id just keep the coscast head.
In the grand scheme of things £300 is fook all.
Both my XE and LET are coscast, because im a girl, and if the internetz says its cool, I have to have it:):)
Good progress benn.
The bores on the block looked same as when i had the head off my XE couldnt feel any lips on the bores i had a engine specialist i know check them over for me and he said they were fine nothing to worry about.
Id just keep the coscast head.
In the grand scheme of things £300 is fook all.
Both my XE and LET are coscast, because im a girl, and if the internetz says its cool, I have to have it:):)dont forget in standard form the vaux heads have larger ports so he might get a few ponies to
Why keep it tho? It's nothing special.. Why keep 300 sitting there doing nothing.. When that's a new helix clutch.. The head i have as been sleeved to sort any leaking probs (cant think of the real term) and has been semi ported and is all in bits..
Good progress benn.
The bores on the block looked same as when i had the head off my XE couldnt feel any lips on the bores i had a engine specialist i know check them over for me and he said they were fine nothing to worry about.
Cool, cheers for the info dude.
Cool, cheers for the info dude.
No worries mate it may save you spending a few more pennys that you dont need to thats all. ;)
I've heard the later coscast head is better on the let, no too sure though. Ask Rick as i think i read this on his build thread.
Thanks for half the info John..lol
Thanks for half the info John..lol
No problem lol seriously i'd pm rick and just ask him for some advice before you sell it. I do seem to remember him swearing by the late coscast heads.
Little bit of info on the coscast method here: http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1715991&highlight=cosworth#post1715991and on the next page.
Simply put though, it's a superior casting process with tighter tolerances etc, so the heads are 'better' but they do not give 90bhp in combination with an ebay ECU chip. They don't crack like the GM heads are known for, which would be the reason GM outsourced their casting to cosworth in the first place I imagine and there shouldn't be any design/dimension differences afaik but this is purely based on what I was told about the process, I've never seen the 2 heads side by side.
theres a thread on vauxsport with the heads side by side for comparison
But bar the wont go pours that's really it.. Which the one i have has been sleeved for any way so.. Been checked and tested by V-turing.
I'll see what Rick says, but sure it will be fine.
The Simps
09-01-11, 11:04 PM
Benn my lover, I'm in London friday. I'm happy to run down to you and pick up what bits you want going to an engineer up this way. Maybe PM Browney mate and see who he uses as he's always getting stuff like this done. We can then sort out meeting halfway or something to drop them off again??
The place I used near me done a good job last time but it was the 1st time I used him as the place I normally used changed hands. His prices were a bit dear I thought tho.
Offers there anyway dude.
It's not gonna explode, or drop your power considerably or anything like that, but the cosworth method of casting produces a more flawless, stronger, far more accurate head, it was specifically designed to do just that and remove some flaws from the standard casting process for racing purposes, and then patented and used to cash in from OEM applications (including jet engines lol) That's your advantage, besides the resistance to cracking (GM heads crack at a water way, or oil way I forget which, they don't go porous) whether or not you're gonna notice it is another thing...
I'm not saying they're the be all and end all, personally I'd probably take the £300 too, unless I was doing something that demanded a head with tolerances as tight as possible. Certainly wouldn't pay ebay prices for one lol
They don't seem to make as much on eBay anymore either hence my "rare" dispack Coscast still sitting in my garage!
Benn my lover, I'm in London friday. I'm happy to run down to you and pick up what bits you want going to an engineer up this way. Maybe PM Browney mate and see who he uses as he's always getting stuff like this done. We can then sort out meeting halfway or something to drop them off again??
The place I used near me done a good job last time but it was the 1st time I used him as the place I normally used changed hands. His prices were a bit dear I thought tho.
Offers there anyway dude.
Just been talking to Pete, he has a guy that can do it. Does all the Lotus stuff, so he can do a honing. Cheers tho dude.
It's not gonna explode, or drop your power considerably or anything like that, but the cosworth method of casting produces a more flawless, stronger, far more accurate head, it was specifically designed to do just that and remove some flaws from the standard casting process for racing purposes, and then patented and used to cash in from OEM applications (including jet engines lol) That's your advantage, besides the resistance to cracking (GM heads crack at a water way, or oil way I forget which, they don't go porous) whether or not you're gonna notice it is another thing...
I'm not saying they're the be all and end all, personally I'd probably take the £300 too, unless I was doing something that demanded a head with tolerances as tight as possible. Certainly wouldn't pay ebay prices for one lol
My heads been sleeved so it wont go on the water way, one reason i like it. But again using the right AF helps that not go anyway..
I'm not doing anything really special, PH2 and that's it so i don't think a Coscast will be needed or anything. The money will re cope for what i'm gonna be spending out.. and just got my insurance renewal too that's another 550 going out...
They don't seem to make as much on eBay anymore either hence my "rare" dispack Coscast still sitting in my garage!
Ah :( bugger.
The Simps
09-01-11, 11:21 PM
No worries bud.
Ref the block decking and some of the comments. It was Browney who suggested I check the last engine I did which was the XE originally from my nova years ago. That had a fresh rebuild and done barely 4000 miles when it spun a bearing. When I got the head skimmed I took the block to be checked too and it wasn't true so it got a light skim.
Get them to check it while you're there Benn. Do it right, do it once as you say. Whats the price of checking/light skim compared to having to replace a headgasket down the line?
Oh yeah dont worry i will be getting it checked.
The Simps
09-01-11, 11:36 PM
No graft done today then?
matthew172
10-01-11, 09:41 AM
good work benn,
if you decide to run a cometic gasket you will need to skim block and head, if you just going to run stock let gasket then just give the head a light skim, id probs chuck a set of arp rod bolts in while your at it too
phase 2 aint exactly going to put massive amounts of strain on things so i wouldnt worry about splashing out big money on uprating everything
matt
from what i've heard, a Coscast will hold more heat (dont ask me why, thats a story that goes overhere), and that the best head is a fixed KS.
benn... i have some HUGE news for you ;)
i picked up my new wheels for the mk1 astra yesterday, and the guy turned out the be a distribiter for Image wheels in his spare time.
he had a very nice set, 3 piece, with the bolts in the back (so no bolts are in sight)
afaik the can do that with any wheel the do, just ask for it.
so you get this look (he had these laying around, there porn)
http://www.imagewheels.co.uk/wheels/small%20cast/dm_classic.jpg
Count Vaux Alot
10-01-11, 04:28 PM
from what i've heard, a Coscast will hold more heat (dont ask me why, thats a story that goes overhere), and that the best head is a fixed KS.
benn... i have some HUGE news for you ;)
i picked up my new wheels for the mk1 astra yesterday, and the guy turned out the be a distribiter for Image wheels in his spare time.
he had a very nice set, 3 piece, with the bolts in the back (so no bolts are in sight)
afaik the can do that with any wheel the do, just ask for it.
so you get this look (he had these laying around, there porn)
http://www.imagewheels.co.uk/wheels/small%20cast/dm_classic.jpg
Now they are very nice - any idea on price?
Count Vaux Alot
10-01-11, 04:54 PM
Is that euro?
No graft done today then?
Nope, sadly. To they i dropped the sump and exhaust to the polishes, pm Steve about parts and ave sanded and refilled the mount.
good work benn,
if you decide to run a cometic gasket you will need to skim block and head, if you just going to run stock let gasket then just give the head a light skim, id probs chuck a set of arp rod bolts in while your at it too
phase 2 aint exactly going to put massive amounts of strain on things so i wouldnt worry about splashing out big money on uprating everything
matt
Cheers dude, right in that case screw that. I'll go with a gen GM gasket instead.
At the mo i'm looking at fitting Arp just so i can abuse it and not have to even think about it.. I'm not looking at uprating everything, i'm going mostly at the mo with new GM stuff.
from what i've heard, a Coscast will hold more heat (dont ask me why, thats a story that goes overhere), and that the best head is a fixed KS.
benn... i have some HUGE news for you ;)
i picked up my new wheels for the mk1 astra yesterday, and the guy turned out the be a distribiter for Image wheels in his spare time.
he had a very nice set, 3 piece, with the bolts in the back (so no bolts are in sight)
afaik the can do that with any wheel the do, just ask for it.
so you get this look (he had these laying around, there porn)
http://www.imagewheels.co.uk/wheels/small%20cast/dm_classic.jpg
KS head?
That price is almost the same as there website dude... But i'd love them rims, but 250+ a rim i don't think i can push too...
yeah, KS, kolbensmith, the GM head.
you know you can do it benn, maybe in a few months, but some day.. ;)
lol That's over a grand with out tyres dude... Even i can't just think "funkit it needs it"
JShannon
10-01-11, 09:55 PM
Making a brilliant car better!
Top work fella!
Joe:thumb:
Been doing bits here and there, order stuff and getting the mount finished off.
Picked up one of these..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/oilblankingplate3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/oilblankingplate2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/oilblankingplate1.jpg
Gonna polish it i think..
Got this a while ago from Mr Fly,
No pic but its a Zlet oil pump and this pick up pipe.. Does the pipe look right? (to fit a xe/let)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/baybits9.jpg
Fiber glass sanded off..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/baybits8.jpg
Don't need that...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/baybits2.jpg
Minging under there..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/baybits1.jpg
Cleaned that up, welded the holes up.
The didn't like the panel join of the front panel to slam, so ground it off, welded it over, ground that off to be smooth, then filled it all in one hit.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/baybits5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/baybits6.jpg
Have also shaped the front part of it so it looks nicer and is easier to sand around the mount...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/baybits10.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/baybits4.jpg
Need a tiny bit more shaping but is mostly done.
Exhaust is done too .... :)
Top work as always Benn
Nice to see a update too
Pistol Pete
26-01-11, 06:58 PM
Looking good. How will you mount your rad now you've cut the mount off?
Nova_Tek
26-01-11, 07:06 PM
Great work Benn. Is that sump level sensor plate the one off eBay? IIRC they're on sale there too Nortech stuff aswell.
ben doodar
26-01-11, 07:26 PM
sump level sensor plate.
Excuse my stupidity but what is that n how does it work?
Jeff16v
26-01-11, 07:35 PM
Excuse my stupidity but what is that n how does it work?
oil level sensor doesn't mate to nova loom, this blanks it rather thank just cutting wires off.
Count Vaux Alot
26-01-11, 08:12 PM
Top work mate !
Nova_Tek
26-01-11, 08:22 PM
Excuse my stupidity but what is that n how does it work?
I did kinda phrase it wrong.
It's a blanking plate for the sump level sensor which is normally fitted to the XE/LET engines.
P.S. those wheels look lovely, just needs to be polished
http://www.imagewheels.co.uk/wheels/small%20cast/dm_classic.jpg
Top work as always Benn
Nice to see a update too
Yeah sorry have been being way to lazy, really need to crack on and get some work done.
Looking good. How will you mount your rad now you've cut the mount off?
The rad doesn't sit in either mount cause of the IC pipes. It stands right in the middle of the hole...
Great work Benn. Is that sump level sensor plate the one off eBay? IIRC they're on sale there too Nortech stuff aswell.
Yeah 17notes from Ebay, is nicely made, he's cracking them out.
oil level sensor doesn't mate to nova loom, this blanks it rather thank just cutting wires off.
You can wire the in tho... ;) But i'm not. It just looks better than the cut of wires and bits.
Top work mate !
Cheers dude.
I dropped my exhaust off on wed of last week, picked it up yesterday...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/17012011424.jpg
I said i wanted it mirror finished.. Craig and Lee pull it right off...
Proper pics when i unwrap it.. But here's a few crap ones off me phone.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/25012011434.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/25012011435.jpg
Has had all the ends of the boxes done.. As well as the mounting bars and everything.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/25012011436.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/25012011437.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/25012011438.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/25012011439.jpg
Getting right in there..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/25012011440.jpg
LEWI007
26-01-11, 09:49 PM
Looks awesome Benn ive been planning on polising my stainless system for ages but no point till engine runs..
I thought you polished your own stuff ? Im dissapointed :cry:
lol
I normally do, but the exhaust is about 7foot long, my garage is tiny and has the car in it so there is no room at all. So was no point in doing the rear box, they might as well have it all to do. Even more so for the price, it took them 4hours to do it all (everything single part as been polished to a mirror finished) and charged me 60quid... (think my tv plug helped)
Count Vaux Alot
26-01-11, 09:52 PM
Exhaust looks the s e x mate nice touch
Should look nice against the blue...
LEWI007
26-01-11, 09:59 PM
Cheap for the amount of hard work it takes to polish it.
Since im doing this myself i was thinking, maybe the exhaust willstart to get surface rust.. and some of my other parts are starting to get it a little bit, do you think i should wipe them with some polish/wax or something to protect them.
What do you use to stop it Benn ?
If it stainless it wont rust. That's the whole point too it...
But yeah a bit of wax or grease will protect it. I wax everything as soon as it comes back from the polishers as it helps with greasey finger prints too and keeps it looking sexy.
Nova_Tek
26-01-11, 10:05 PM
Is your system a custom stainless?
LEWI007
26-01-11, 10:09 PM
I thought the same but my stainless exhaust pipe has sat in my bedroom for about 5 Month now and its started to get a bit of surface rust.
I think once its polished properly it will be ok though, i suppose wax on the exhaust is pointless because the temperature will kill it ?
I thought the same but my stainless exhaust pipe has sat in my bedroom for about 5 Month now and its started to get a bit of surface rust.
I think once its polished properly it will be ok though, i suppose wax on the exhaust is pointless because the temperature will kill it ?
if its rusting then its very cheap poor qualty stuff. Getting it polishing will remove rust from the surface but will come back.. Wax will keep it nice till its hot yea, but keep doing it and it will stay nice
NOV4_SPORT
27-01-11, 01:22 PM
oooooooooo mega shiney matey
iain
I thought the same but my stainless exhaust pipe has sat in my bedroom for about 5 Month now and its started to get a bit of surface rust
Stainless doesn't rust: http://www.ssina.com/faq/index.html#3
If it's got specks on it it's probably grinding dust or similar, if it's rusting at the joins they've used standard mig wire and you're outta luck really.
Don't look it, but finished. Well needs a light 180 off then primer and seal up the under side. But it's mostly done.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9510.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9509.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9508.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9507.jpg
The Simps
27-01-11, 07:22 PM
yum yum :)
Need to strip the rest of the bay and rubit all down now... :(
The Simps
27-01-11, 07:40 PM
You love it really ;)
And strip the under side bare too :(!!
Yeah you won't love that lol
The Simps
27-01-11, 07:57 PM
I agree! The underside sucks ass
Did the front quick enough, just cant be arsed alot at the mo.
The Simps
27-01-11, 08:00 PM
just cant be arsed alot at the mo.
I certainly know that feeling! lol
Yeah but i'm still doing stuff not just skiving off.
NOV4_SPORT
27-01-11, 08:22 PM
Keep up the hard work matey, it will be all worth it when its done benn
Iain
That's how i keep looking at it... Doing the under side stripping will be a bit easier i think.. Laying down and that..lol
The Simps
27-01-11, 08:46 PM
Yeah but i'm still doing stuff not just skiving off.
Meow! Lol
P.s. Where's my flywheel locking tool? ;)
Oh yeah, i'll get two ordered tomoz.
That's how i keep looking at it... Doing the under side stripping will be a bit easier i think.. Laying down and that..lol
twisted knot wire wheel FTW lol
gets it off very quickly :thumb:
worth it when done tho, underside being painted body colour ?
loving the exhaust
Edd, yeah io used the twisted wheels when doing the front arches so have a few in stock.
Under side will be done in bodycolour yes, might do it in bits (underside then boot floor then rear arches) Will be one more thing to clean and wax..lol
So sick of sanding the bay down.. But it's all done now, thank funk.
Cracked on to day to get the car up so i can clean off the under side. Going to to the under side in two parts. Main floor and under tank, then boot floor and rear arches.
So today i got on and got the tank off.. What a fun job.
Start removing pipes and the hand brake cable and bits..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/undersidework2.jpg
Tank coming down, tiny bit of leakage. But not bad as it had 10LT of fuel still in it..lol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/undersidework3.jpg
With that off i put the rear down and got the front jacked right up..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/undersidework4.jpg
Got the grinder out and did a bit of a test...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/undersidework6.jpg
Not too bad...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/undersidework7.jpg
Need a better face shield as i was getting covered.. But can carry on tomoz...
Watch out for the wires coming out of the knot wheel and impailing you mate!
It knacks! lol
You definitley need to use a visor, not just goggles. :)
This will be immense when all done. Gonna be body coloured underneath?
you will be pulling bits of wire wheel out your back for weeks trust me lol
Its a proper crap job
^ Yep. Double layers are essential! I done this to my Nissan in the summer wearing shorts. :/
It's when you lie on the floor and the ones that have flew off and haven't hit you then get impaled in your back as Andy says. lol I sweep up often too, but you never get em all!
I'm away down my garage to do exactly this now. Joy! lol
It's all worth it when you see that baby on the MOT ramp though, or when you can work on it without getting manky! :d
The bit I've done was a 5min test, all the cables will be removed or moved out of the way. I did the front of the car just with goggles on and was ok, but laying under it a face mask if deffo needed.
I had to hoover the floor to get all the dust off, was coughing like funk when i first layed under it..lol
Under side will be blue yes, polished fuel lines (to match exhaust) tank will be painted, but i might change it as its looking a bit tired.
id get some dust masks aswell
Mint! I was waiting for your sexy reply (not you :P Your plans for the car!)
Lovely stuff! Now I can go to the garage. lol
Dust masks, I was just wearing them over my mouth. The nose is too much, and makes it harder to breath/fogs the glasses and visor IMO.
krobinson
06-02-11, 02:23 PM
Rather you than me Benn, Thats quite a task to get that ready for paint. It'll all be worth it though :)
id get some dust masks aswell
lol i get them for the bodyshop.. Dont worry..lol
Mint! I was waiting for your sexy reply (not you :P Your plans for the car!)
Lovely stuff! Now I can go to the garage. lol
Dust masks, I was just wearing them over my mouth. The nose is too much, and makes it harder to breath/fogs the glasses and visor IMO.
lol cheers dude, might paint the tank bumper grey...
No point in wearing one if you dont have it over your mouth and nose tho dude...
Rather you than me Benn, Thats quite a task to get that ready for paint. It'll all be worth it though :)
It a really sh*te one.. Really cant be arsed at the mo, but i want it done and should look nice after and i know there will be nothing hiding under the factory sealant...
krobinson
06-02-11, 02:28 PM
If I was you, i'd do the floor bumper colour...
ben doodar
06-02-11, 04:46 PM
If I was you, i'd do the floor bumper colour...
Why's that Keith? Is it a night mare trying to keep it clean all the time?
If you use the car in anything other than 100% sunshine and dry roads, then yeah it will be.
Cheers Keith, i have thought of that. But i don't think it would look as nice..
I've seen how hard it can be to keep clean just on the front of the car.. But i did buy a very very good clear spray wax. So i hope that will help.
krobinson
06-02-11, 07:06 PM
Why's that Keith? Is it a night mare trying to keep it clean all the time?
Yep, most pointless thing i've done to my car, no one ever sees it, but it annoys me when it's dirty. I havent cleaned it now in over a year and I dont plan to either. Eventually I plan to just re-underseal and leave it.
I can understand why benn wants to do it though :thumb:
ben doodar
06-02-11, 11:03 PM
Yh it looks awesome when all finished and clean underneath it's 1 thing I really want on my project but as it will be White It will just be a nightmare I think il just do the arches colour codded instead.
Its great to see an update benn we all know that once you get in full swing of it you'll have it finished in no time.
Keith, it is a point thing really, but got to be done. Might have it on ramps at a show..lol.
Ben, i hve been really lazy as of late, blame the new woman, but need to get cracking on it, gonna try and get a side done a evening.. Dont know if i will tho...
Yeah,but you gotta admit,its better being inside your woman then inside your garage lol
Im gonna be paionting mine underneath,but wont be taking all the underseal off again.It took me weeks to do and was pointless,only surface rust was on the seams.So with my latest Nova i'll just clean the seams and go from there,then fully raptor guard the underneath then paint it in blue hammerite.
Yeah it is Andy.. lol
Sounds like a good plan and way to did it. Mine is very clean under side, bar a bit in the boot (next on the list) But you never know what's under the sealant, so i might as well do it the right way and take it back...
Do we have progress or is it all talk ;)
Got half one one side done(main bits need to go along the sills). Cold from laying on the floor. More tomoz.
Count Vaux Alot
07-02-11, 09:45 PM
Sh!t job buddy fair play for doing it on the floor!
Need to jack the front up more, then i can get to be bitter.
Pistol Pete
07-02-11, 09:46 PM
Got half one one side done(main bits need to go along the sills). Cold from laying on the floor. More tomoz.
I hear ya!! I had some old carpet to lay on. It is a ****e job, but looks great when all done.
lol i normally do, but the bonnets standing on it.. So have a old curtain, but it's a bit thin.
lol i normally do, but the bonnets standing on it.. So have a old curtain, but it's a bit thin.
Do it naked,derren brown would lol lol
lol would he?
Arms hurts, arms hurt, arms hurt. Most of the main floor is done, need to get the rear up in the air to do the bit around the tank now..
Arms hurt, got stuck under the car too :(
Count Vaux Alot
09-02-11, 10:40 PM
Sorry dude I laughed at you getting stuck lol
any pics benn? would love to see it, thinking of doing minebody colour underneath too
Benn, Benn... 4 page without pictures... :DDD
Sorry dude I laughed at you getting stuck lol
Tbf i laughed while stuck.
any pics benn? would love to see it, thinking of doing minebody colour underneath too
Its only mostly bare at the mo...
Benn, Benn... 4 page without pictures... :DDD
lol Pics would be a bit boring at the mo dude.
Nova_Tek
11-02-11, 08:41 PM
Quite a bit of work gone on from when I last had a look. You doing the underside in body colour or black?
Real sh*tty job...lol Body colour, or i'd prob not be doing it...
Southie
12-02-11, 08:21 AM
You and mechanics will really enjoy the bottom of your car being painted lol
You got stuck, he he he.
Good grafting skills Benn as ever, I like progress pictures though ;)
I'll take some for you tomoz, and every one will know its done... That's what counts...
Dived in today.. Got the rear end up in the air...
Still not loads of room..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9519.jpg
Now getting down the pass side was never gonna be easy.. But here the space i have..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9527.jpg
Quite a bit you think? Believe me it isn't, even more is your a portly chap like me (read as fattie) This is almost how wide the gap is...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9528.jpg
One on the floor..
Sadly before i got the car it was jacked up by people who have no clue where to jack and fitter at Kwik fit or such(but it was well serviced).. Hence this chassis leg is dented in.. Gonna try and straighten it out..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9523.jpg
Tiny but of rust where the fuel lines are held on, but it cleaned up nice and is only on the surface, so that's been rust killed.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9520.jpg
Rest of the floor is totally clean, which was the main reason for this, as under the under seal there can be alot hidden. But its all good.
Got both sides all finished now, just need to get a bit under the tank and we're done.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9525.jpg
The mess...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/IMG_9524.jpg
Looks like a spiders nest..
Gonna get under the tank end tomoz and get that finished and any other bits i see i'ved missed.
Fair play for doing all that on your back.... not as easy as it looks by far! Im sure a small slidehammer in the holes on the legs would pull out the majority of damage or If not Id have the bodyshop use a pin puller to remove the rest as If they have a lift it will be easy for them. Keep it up pal ;)
Nick.
krobinson
13-02-11, 03:37 PM
Keep up the good work :-)
Fair play for doing all that on your back.... not as easy as it looks by far! Im sure a small slidehammer in the holes on the legs would pull out the majority of damage or If not Id have the bodyshop use a pin puller to remove the rest as If they have a lift it will be easy for them. Keep it up pal ;)
Nick.
Yeah, its no easy. My arms are killing at the mo.. The space don't help either.
I was thinking a slide hammer, only way i could do it really.
Keep up the good work :-)
Cheers dude :)
connor c
13-02-11, 03:54 PM
respect were its due benn,not easy work on your back
+rep if i can
connor c
13-02-11, 03:56 PM
*edit*
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Benn again
peester
13-02-11, 03:59 PM
proper men-from-the-boys work this..
Jeff16v
13-02-11, 05:04 PM
Bloody hell Benn, I don't know how you manage with the little room you have but It just goes to prove how much you are willing to put in yourself rather than just pay someone to sort it for you.
Huge respect.......and can you do minelol
MattBrown
13-02-11, 05:09 PM
I'm so glad I used my rollover jig.
It's a crap job but worth doing.
thats worth a comment, doing it on your back!
top work
That is some dedication mate nice work. Spot welding a few pins on the leg then pulling it out will work good, then a skim of filler will make it good as new :thumb:
scott.parker
13-02-11, 07:35 PM
I found it was more my neck that hurt after working under the car, as i found i kept pulling my body up off the floor to put more effort behind the drill/grinder etc..
So 100% resect from me also on that one dude!
Scott
Count Vaux Alot
13-02-11, 09:16 PM
As said before R E S P E C T mate!
Have some rep
Nova_Tek
14-02-11, 06:32 PM
Think I'm glad I stuck to black Schtuz.
I can jack up my mk4 astra on the box section and it wouldn't even bend one little bit, just shows how weak Novas are to modern cars lol
Btw, can you not do what paul did and weld a box section on top?
respect were its due benn,not easy work on your back
+rep if i can
Thank you very much :)
proper men-from-the-boys work this..
Cause only men can put up with the sh*t? lol
Bloody hell Benn, I don't know how you manage with the little room you have but It just goes to prove how much you are willing to put in yourself rather than just pay someone to sort it for you.
Huge respect.......and can you do minelol
Thank you very much, tbh it gets really funking annoying. Having no room to work and then where you do its still cramp as anything or you kicking something. But i'm hoping it worth doing. I got mine done just cracking on on the weekend, than a few hours each night.
I'm so glad I used my rollover jig.
It's a crap job but worth doing.
A jig is the best way. I would love one! Just isn't the room in my garage.
Hoping it will be worth it.
thats worth a comment, doing it on your back!
top work
hahaha easy way...lol
Cheers.
That is some dedication mate nice work. Spot welding a few pins on the leg then pulling it out will work good, then a skim of filler will make it good as new :thumb:
Thank you, i'm not filling it tho. As it will be being jacked up (in the right place) so don't want it damaging anything. Pins and a slide hammer and hammer and dolly will sort it enough.
Your a brave soldier,LMAO at getting stuck,i did that when i was in the "burning" phase of mine (used a hot air gun for some) feck me,it dripped down my sleeve tried shuffling away and cut my head on the beam mounting.Cue a garage full of swear words.
lol lol
Good lad, I cursed when simply undersealing mine, let alone doing that amount of work!
I found it was more my neck that hurt after working under the car, as i found i kept pulling my body up off the floor to put more effort behind the drill/grinder etc..
So 100% resect from me also on that one dude!
Scott
I had the car kinda set right so i could lay my head on my arm, but that ment my arm was held up at the elbow, my arms are killing today.. Perfect to carry exhausts around all day..
Thank you very much.
As said before R E S P E C T mate!
Have some rep
Thank you Sir, gonna do a lil metal fab tomoz, as i wanna cut the corner off the end of the chassis where the fuel line bit has rusted, just to check under it.
Think I'm glad I stuck to black Schtuz.
lol yeah deffo.
I can jack up my mk4 astra on the box section and it wouldn't even bend one little bit, just shows how weak Novas are to modern cars lol
Btw, can you not do what paul did and weld a box section on top?
The metal car makers used as got so much better, i bet a early (a or b reg) Nova would be alot stronger down there cause of the better steel.
I can box it in yes. If i have to i might well done that, just will be a bit of a delay but needs a must so you never know.
Nasty job but good work :)
Are you going to be able to spray the sealer on with it being on axle stands ?
Your a brave soldier,LMAO at getting stuck,i did that when i was in the "burning" phase of mine (used a hot air gun for some) feck me,it dripped down my sleeve tried shuffling away and cut my head on the beam mounting.Cue a garage full of swear words.
lol lol
Yeah i wriggled in there and then was stuck on the car and floor and between the axel stands..lol
Good lad, I cursed when simply undersealing mine, let alone doing that amount of work!
lol under seal is easier...
Nasty job but good work :)
Are you going to be able to spray the sealer on with it being on axle stands ?
Yeah, the body shop have a elec jack, so on the front wheel, lift right up in the air, and then spray. Should be free and clear underside.
Sounds like you're cracking on with it mate! I feel your pain. lol
This is gonna be great when done. Should really help to take your car to the next level! I assume winter driving is going to be a thing of the past now?
Its kept at a low level now, but cleaning it after isn't too hard...
Been trying to do as much as i can (being lazy must crack on), mostly waiting to get it down the bodyshop.
But to save time it being there i got some of the 3M sealant and have painted it on under the tank and around those hand to get to parts on the rear.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/02032011458.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/02032011455.jpg
Tank straps are now off, had to move the rear brake line, annoyingly i had to bend it a bit, but should be able to straighten it and clean it up. The breather for the tank is in there hard as, so am having to go around it..lol
Under the tank is brushed on, the chassis bits and floor are all sprayed on.
Nova_Tek
02-03-11, 08:16 PM
Good idea with the 3M sealer.
Its the best stuff, Might add 3Ms other stuff along bits that are in direct flow areas. Then paint.
Laying on the very cold garage floor is getting sooooooooooooooooooooo old.
Its the best stuff, Might add 3Ms other stuff along bits that are in direct flow areas. Then paint.
Laying on the very cold garage floor is getting sooooooooooooooooooooo old.
I know how you feel.It will be worth it in the end.Seam sealer supplier must like you lol
Getting there though,keep at it,you done quicker than i did:thumb:
I get it from the body shop..lol I used one bag to do the rear bits. Will thinkit will be 2 or 3 on the main floor.. Then there is the boot floor and rear arches, so that's prob 5 more bags...lol
LEWI007
02-03-11, 10:01 PM
Looks like good stuff that mate, might invest in some myself, where you get it from ?
He probably gets it from the bodyshop. lol
Are you planning on reconditioning the rear beam to go with the painted/chromed underside? Looks good so far
Looks like good stuff that mate, might invest in some myself, where you get it from ?
Yeah it comes from the body shop, but any good body shop supplier should be able to get it for you, it's not cheap tho. We get it for £15 a bag, cause we buy about 30 bags in. You need a compressure to spray it tho, and a gun end attachment bit.
Are you planning on reconditioning the rear beam to go with the painted/chromed underside? Looks good so far
The beam was power coated when i got it, but it will come off when i do the boot floor, i'll get it stripped and rear power coated in gloss black.
Might chrome the tank straps tho.. hahah
LEWI007
02-03-11, 10:40 PM
Yeah it comes from the body shop, but any good body shop supplier should be able to get it for you, it's not cheap tho. We get it for £15 a bag, cause we buy about 30 bags in. You need a compressure to spray it tho, and a gun end attachment bit.
Well that crap waxoyl stuff i was buying before cost about a tenner and that went onto the compressor so it propably works the same way, except this just wasnt very good i thought it was the best gear !! .
Cheers though ill have a look about for some of this when i do mine again.
The end is special, as it connects to the bag. Waxoyl is ok for inside cavitys and bits. But under side its crap in my eyes.
LEWI007
02-03-11, 11:38 PM
I prefer Brush on type stuff myself then you can get it on nice and thick, easier.
The Simps
03-03-11, 12:06 AM
Does the 3M stuff dry hard then Benn? I was always told to use waxoyl mixed with old engine oil so it stays tacky. Anything that dries hard can get a water trap or just chip away.
scott.parker
03-03-11, 12:12 AM
IIRC its like OEM stuff goes rubbery??
Nice work Benn
Seems like your slowly plodding along like me ATM lol
Waxoyl is crap, if you have to do something to the underside you get covered in the crap lol
That 3M stuff is probably the best stuff going tbh
the 3m stuff dries to a rubbery finish so its soft and bendy all most so it takes abuse very well, my front arches have no chips or any thing. Then paint over the top ahouls seal it in good. Edd i am, just spending alot of time with my new lady which in nicer than laying out in the cold lol
the 3m stuff dries to a rubbery finish so its soft and bendy all most so it takes abuse very well, my front arches have no chips or any thing. Then paint over the top ahouls seal it in good. Edd i am, just spending alot of time with my new lady which in nicer than laying out in the cold lol
Waxoyl is trash,good for inside doors and sills etc,but for undersealing properly some of the stuff like 3m's Raptor truck guard is awesome stuff,if you imagine OE is like rubber,this shiz is like polybush texture of underbody seals,its top stuff
The Simps
03-03-11, 10:38 PM
Good to know!
Andy that sounds close to this stuff.
Did the last few bits today. Really had enough of this job so i've been lacking in interest.
In the week i cut the end off the chassis as it flats out on to the floor, as the fuel line clip next to it had some surface rust on the base of it. So i was worried it had gone under the chassis to floor join.
Damaging it removing it, but glad i did as it had rusted, but hadn't gone thru. So was able to grind it clean, rust treat it and make this..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/underside36.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/underside37.jpg
Doesn't look perfect (pic from mid make) But not its on the car its hard to tell i've made it up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/underside310.jpg
But today i've etched primed the floor, pics from mid way, front edge has been cleaned up too.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/underside34.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/underside33-1.jpg
From there i got the shafts stripped down and outer cvs fitted so the bearing stay tight.. Would the cv joint come off... Like funk would it..
Bring on Mr hammer.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/underside311.jpg
Funked it sh*t up..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/underside32.jpg
New outer Cv now needed..lol
Cars now down on its wheels, all the brakes lines off, bay all ready. Been told it can go in the body shop end of the week.
Jeff16v
12-03-11, 09:20 PM
Benn, is that a chrome shaft in the vice?:eek:
Looks like underneath is a poxy job. Good hammer skillslol
connor c
12-03-11, 09:36 PM
nice update mr Benn:d ,cant wait to see the inderside when finished
matthew172
13-03-11, 11:14 AM
looks top notch fella, if everything else fails bring out the big hammer!
The Simps
13-03-11, 12:43 PM
Good hammering skills dude! lol
Your sills have had a hard jacking life from previous owners I see!
What the bloody hell have you made i cant work it out for love nor money?
Benn, is that a chrome shaft in the vice?:eek:
Looks like underneath is a poxy job. Good hammer skillslol
lol no, just shiney black. I'm glad the underside is done, its a soul crushing job.
nice update mr Benn:d ,cant wait to see the inderside when finished
Me too...lol Cheers dude.
looks top notch fella, if everything else fails bring out the big hammer!
In this case it had to be done.
Good hammering skills dude! lol
Your sills have had a hard jacking life from previous owners I see!
Sadly it has, gonna use a slide hammer to remove as much as i can when it gets to the bodyshop.
What the bloody hell have you made i cant work it out for love nor money?
Sorry, its the very end of the chassis on the floor (under there the seats would be) as its flattens off at the end..
Ohhh i see now lol
Aside from the underside you got much left to do before show season?
Put the car back together. Get it all set up with the ph2, fuelling, and bits so i know its happy healthy and running with the most power.
Wanna repaint the roof as there's a few sink marks in it i can see.
Do the same in the rear arches (so they are body colour)
Still fancy new wheels too...
GRUNT 16V
16-03-11, 01:58 PM
Hi Benn have'nt you got bored yet ???????????????????? lol
^^^ get back to digging up cat crap you lol
Grant, yes very tbh. But only with doing the shi*ty jobs.
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Car is ready for the body shop now... So i've done a few last bits...
So one new alloy rad.
Pics for Jeff, welding is much better...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/Radandbits6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/Radandbits8.jpg
Bit off in the small places..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/Radandbits7.jpg
Has all these bits hanging off it..lol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/Radandbits1.jpg
Choppy choppy...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/Radandbits3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/Radandbits2.jpg
Don't need the top and side mounts, or the two fan mounts.. So off the come and smoothed off.
Now its ready to be polished... Along with the sump and cam belt cover they need a re buff.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Car%20Updates%20May%2010%20on/Radandbits4.jpg
Jeff16v
17-03-11, 09:46 PM
Yours is much better Benn, you got Cinderella, I got the ugly sisterlol
Guess its time kids and times, you got the Friday evening rad, i got Monday morning rad...lol
GRUNT 16V
18-03-11, 12:46 PM
more shineeeeeeeey stuff !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nice !
Yeah, will look good against the blue.
Got a great price for it all too :)
Sump was done today so i can rebuild the bottom end.
Count Vaux Alot
19-03-11, 08:40 AM
Nice one dude!
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