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nova ian
15-06-10, 06:54 PM
Oh lol was going to say, on my doorstep and never heard of it!!!
The Simps
15-06-10, 06:59 PM
Have you tried custom cages? Can't be too far from you?
Ian I've just tried one of those new fangled motorsport cable tie fasteners and it works spot on :cool: One job down.
The Simps
15-06-10, 07:15 PM
How rude of me! Forgot to say good work as always! Engine looks great - seems a shame to put it into a car! lol
I've only got my motor fixed wit one bracket, albeit very hefty! Hope it holds up. I like the tack the nut to the scuttle idea tho.
Think I remember yours, you used that massive thick metal box section? Well now mine's held in with 2 bolts and a cable tie and it doesn't move anywhere without taking the scuttle with it. :)
nova ian
15-06-10, 07:20 PM
Good good :d Motorsport fastener is lighter than a nut and bolt too!! lol lol
Tut tut lionel - using three fixings when two is perfectly good enough.... think of all that extra weight....
Tut tut lionel - using three fixings when two is perfectly good enough.... think of all that extra weight....
Lol this made me chuckle
for this extra weight gained you must now shave all your hair to maintain the weight balance ;)
Comming along, get that bay painted. Would think the wiper motor in in there well enough with 2 bolts, mine only had 1 and looked ok.
Engine looks good.
Got my new cams through the post thanks to a MIG user. Quite good condition with minimal wear marks and no scoring:
http://www.iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/951.JPG
Lifters in with plenty of assembly lube:
http://www.iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/952.JPG
Small amount of sealant around the end caps to stop any oil leaks:
http://www.iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/953.JPG
Cams in and pulleys torqued up:
http://www.iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/954.JPG
Trial fitted the inlet, the fricking thing is huge, tempted to bin it for something else :roll:
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New GM pulleys, tensioners and belt to go on:
http://www.iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/957.JPG
Just need to go get my silicone beather and fit the rocker baffle and the cover can go on and I can get it timed up. Not sure whether to do the breather mod (http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114039) or not too?
scott.parker
22-06-10, 11:19 PM
Do the breather mod if your taking it on track..
As for the inlet stop moaning, get it in the car and then worry later..lol
Followed Adams guide (http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114039) and the SBD guide (http://www.sbdev.co.uk/Info_sheets/Oil_systems/2.0L%2016v%20SBD%20Cam%20cover%20breathing%20modif ication.htm) to cut down the plate in the rocker for the 'breather mod':
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/958.JPG
scott.parker
23-06-10, 10:05 PM
It always makes me think Eh!.. every time i see how little is left after it's been "modded" lol
It does seem odd throwing away 9/10ths of it but oh well, less to clean so win win lol
Probs sick of seeing it, but the engine is pretty much finished now. Shiny stainless rocker bolts, inlet manifold and powercap on, most silicone hoses temporarily on etc
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/959.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/960.JPG
Also tried my new stonechip on my old motor, 3M 08878 white anti-chip paint. Went on really nice and textured with my new Schutz gun. Just waiting to hear back from 3M if I'm okay to not topcoat it cos it's a really nice glossy white already:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/961.JPG
i cant believe you've still got that old shell lmao
Engines looking so factory fresh (minus the racing red block lol)
Now get that engine in!!! :thumb:
Dizzy cap fail, paint it red to match the block dude. Engine looks sexy.
The Simps
30-06-10, 08:44 PM
Dizzy cap fail, paint it red to match the block dude. Engine looks sexy.
Was thinking the same or fit a black one.
REALLY looking forward to seeing this finished and on track!
Yeah yeah, satin black would look cool too.
Ian, can I have a bit of your old shell please?
Thought you got rid of that old shell!
Keep meaning to chop it up but it's come in quite useful at times.
Dizzycap will be replaced as it's just the one that came with the engine at the mo - hopefully a new red one will be brighter.
Paul I've PMd you :)
Under arches now in stonechip :)
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Just need to spray a bit of primer and brush on some 2pack glacier white.
Can i ask why are you not doing behind the "splash guard"
Didn't think there'd be any stones hitting there - will paint over that area when I do the rest of the arches.
Ok cool, i was thinking more to just protect it.
OK who's sick of me waffling about stonechip/underside? lol Me too, so cracked on today sorting it out once and for all
Tipped it over on it's side again:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/965.JPG
Loads of tyres to spread the weight:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/966.JPG
Chipped all the Hammerite off the top, the stuff flaked off with literally a brush of a screwdriver so would NEVER have lasted on the road. White stuff left on is the tinned stonechip I used - proper crap compared to the proper compressor stuff TBH:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/967.JPG
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Coated in POR15 paint - bit of a waste cos it's really meant for bare metal but hopefully it'll dry to leave a good protective coating anyway (if not I'll strip it off again lollollol):
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so thats what the black was on your hands :p
When i saw him i thought he'd changed a CV or something on the way down to Billing lol lol
Yeah, don't get it on your hands, it even says so on the tin. Sitting at my desk at work with black hands at the mo lol
Matty Winslade
12-07-10, 09:57 AM
cant wait to see this finished :) some properly hard work must have gone into this...some properly ball ache work too ha ha good luck pal :) looking good !!!
scott.parker
12-07-10, 10:07 AM
lol more stone chip and painting of the underside!
Will be worth it though mate..
Scott
Stonechipped the underside finally, a nice sunny day after all the rain we've had!
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/971.JPG
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Only issue is some of it has gone slightly crinkly before it's even dried:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/973.JPG
Assume this is only cosmetic and won't affect the strength of the finish? How would this happen? Maybe a thick layer over an undried layer?
twin40s
24-07-10, 05:29 PM
Looking good mate.
Is there no need to put seam sealer on the seams before stone chippping?
Yeah I like to seam seal it before stonechipping, I left the original stuff on and only grinded off the top layer of flakey paint. Here's a pic from earlier in the WIP, these layers are still on:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/489.JPG
twin40s
24-07-10, 05:34 PM
Damn thats what i thought the bodyshop were my car is haven't done it will it be bad to do it now its been stone chipped
They may be right and I may be wrong TBH, as I've proved I'm clueless and rubbish when it comes to painting the underside lol
Yeah to thick, the pressure makes a wave look when its sprayed on. Dont worry about it. Get some white on.
scott.parker
25-07-10, 07:14 PM
Looks really good dude,now get it built up :)
connor c
25-07-10, 07:18 PM
just read the thread,savage amount of proper work has been done,!! kudos to you sir :)
vaughanmc
25-07-10, 07:19 PM
Underside looks good now Iain - I think I'm going to Gravitex the underside of my Mk1 (We use that at my work and it looks cool and is also overpaintable) :)
I look forward to seeing more pictures
Underside looks well Iain
trackdaynova
04-08-10, 05:58 PM
at least it'll look good upside down when you roll it on track lol only joking mate, cracking work - get it done - get it out on the black stuff!
djbrowney
04-08-10, 06:01 PM
i had this problem with mine cracking, aparantly you should only put one layer on. Also try and keep it out of sun Excess heat because if its a thick later the top goes of before the bottom and crack :)
at least it'll look good upside down when you roll it on track
That's at least four years away, will be rusty again by then lol
I put a thin layer on, followed by a thicker layer, then topped up any areas that looked low. It started giving that effect before it had even dried (I could flat some of them out with my finger) so probably hasn't affected it's strength, meh.
Talking of rust, some was creeping back through in the engine bay. Primer and seam sealer wasn't up to the job so I've bare metal'd the areas (and potential areas):
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Which have now been prepped and painted with that POR15 stuff.
Also while it's been rainy finished cleaning out my CV joints (second hand inners and 22 spline shafts, and new outer CV joints), painting everything up nice, regreasing and building back up:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/978.JPG
Proper CV joint clamps fitted:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/979.JPG
And refitted the weight with new bolts, although not entirely sure what this does:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/980.JPG
Thought the bay was all done?
Shafts look great.
I had taken the rust back to bare metal and etch primered/normal primered/seam sealered, but rust spots were showing through the primer again around the areas shown. Hopefully should be sorted now!
I did a shoddy job on bay prep anyway so will be sanding most of the primer in there off lol Good times
lol get it done! and get it in to a body-shop.
trackdaynova
04-08-10, 10:14 PM
freshly sorted bay rusting already lol
Definitely progressing too slow lol
nice one bud
Anti rust paint everywhere, woo
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/981.JPG
Getting any holes I need sorted before paint. Since my rollcage triangulation goes through the original wiring loom hole, I've decided to take some inspiration from Benn and Prey's latest wiring loom progress to run it here:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/982.JPG
Handy hole from the side repeater I can use for the loom to enter the car:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/983.JPG
Not as much as I had hoped but all the loom extension soldering should be inside the car:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/984.JPG
Loom will enter the engine bay here, haven't got a side repeater to hand, but this should clear everything yes? It's pretty much in the middle of the slam where it meets the wing:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/985.JPG
On second thoughts looking at these pics, once it's soldered up it won't be removable lol Any suggestions for this? Or just bigger holes and grommets?
tidy work, everything should miss it fine. if not then dont run any side reps. :)
Cheers Brucer, a very practical resolution; just remove anything that isn't gonna fit right!
On second thoughts looking at these pics, once it's soldered up it won't be removable
Sorted this now. Just holesaw'd the loom holes to 38mm and going to order two headlamp grommets designed for a 'Triumph TR6/T120 (1962-70), TR7/T140 (1973-), BSA A65 (1971-72) and many other models' (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Headlamp-Wiring-Grommet-BSA-Triumph-Norton-/130330124885?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item1e5847e255)
It might be making a lot of extra work but you could make it removeable using a twist fit connector, like what most vauxhalls have (looks like a round plug that pushes into another plug and then locks shut)
I was looking for all sorts of connectors and plugs that aren't too big and couldn't find any. Ordered myself those grommets, the 38mm hole I've now drilled is big enough to fit all the front plugs through so I can solder it up as one loom again.
It might be making a lot of extra work but you could make it removeable using a twist fit connector, like what most vauxhalls have (looks like a round plug that pushes into another plug and then locks shut)
Corsa B door loom connections ;)
Corsa B door loom connections ;)
How many wires are on them? Got about 16 wires going to the front for headlights/rad etc.
Today's progress, well chuffed as this is all I wanted to get done this weekend.
Jacked up and on some wheels and tyres, couldn't get it all the way over as my parents weren't about to help me do so:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/986.JPG
Shot some primer on the floorpan:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/987.JPG
On with two layers of 2pack Glacier White:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/988.JPG
Mmm nice OE looking finish:
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Same again on the boot floor:
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All done, the last time anyone will ever see it lol:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/991.JPG
vaughanmc
07-08-10, 03:20 PM
Very nice mate, you've done well there :)
Cheers, thanks for your advice earlier Mr Vaughan. 2pack is really nice to work with and brush on, better than expected!
vaughanmc
07-08-10, 03:23 PM
Not a problem mate :)
about 20pins on a corsa door loom, but they are small pins and the OD of them is about 45mm.
Cheers for the info Alex, OD is bigger than the biggest plug on the front loom then (about 35mm) so not much better off.
Awesome work, glad to see paint on it at last.
Loom work looks good. I did bigger holes just for ease.
scott.parker
07-08-10, 09:31 PM
Nice work dude, getting there "SLOWLY" lol
And i know my parents would be screwing at me if i was doing a project on there drive for the time you have, and spraying on it, so fair play to them to!
Keep going now mate, almost there..
Scott
Apologies for my less-than-acceptable progress Scott lol Yeah fair play to them they've put up with a lot of Nova crap all over the place (there's an exhaust manifold and system in the lounge! lol)
More is now white! That's the cheap half of the car painted at least.
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Good work, now do the insides and engine bay, then ship the out sides off to a bodyshop.
Why not, as long as you put it on thick it will self level. Then you wont be spending some much when its at the bodyshop.
Remember its a track car, so you'll have wheels and tools and sh(t in the back again way..
Goodbye poxy Nova, see you in a few weeks (hopefully)
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General Baxter
28-08-10, 04:45 PM
am i going to have a drink of pepsi out of it in a few weeks?
finally seen the light ?
Ah that pic shows why its good to strap the car down by the wheels..
Glad its off to the bodyshop! Get the engine all built up ready to go...
I did think that yeah but couldn't see how to tie it down at the wheels with those straps. It didn't roll an inch how it was though...
dj_wudgey
28-08-10, 08:00 PM
nice work there fella!!
vaughanmc
28-08-10, 08:40 PM
Can't wait to see the pics when it returns :) Good work Iain
I did think that yeah but couldn't see how to tie it down at the wheels with those straps. It didn't roll an inch how it was though...
Wasn't ment like that, just helping my mind think of what i ment.
Could you get a bigger trailer? That one isnt big enough.
oooowweeee cant wait to see this painted
Its about bloody time to!
at least thats all the hard bit out of the way lionel, just the easy lob it together bit to come now :d
Good to see it off your drive! lol
I miss it already! Over a year on my driveway and there's just an empty space with a million paint splats now lol
Realised I forgot to take my grille for painting so have separated my old miami blue one:
One grille:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/997.JPG
Drill off the plastic welded bits:
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Left with this, will have to bond it on:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/999.JPG
Sorted, will drop it in to the painter in the week hopefully (by the way 1000th picture in my WIP lol Mental)
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On to the bad news, been far too good recently. Started having a poke around the replacement gearbox I got (first F20 casing was missing a big chunk. Second F20 casing I got had damage inside it. This is the third F20 I'm attempting...)
Start with one badly painted box:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/002.JPG
Remove end cover and have a quick look. I'm no box expert but I can see what's wrong :(
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/003.JPG
Removed the circlip for a better look, the missing piece doesn't go beyond the circlip but not entirely happy with using it... :(
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/004.JPG
So plan now - use this F20 casing, and the internals from my first F20 to make one good one? :tard: Or can I simply replace that one bit? I suck at gearboxes and have no idea what everything is lol
that little chip out of it isnt going to affect it, i do wonder how it got chipper though. just make a good one out of the 3 you have
Just use a soldering iron and melt the slats onto the grill where youve drilled!
Good thinking Paulie. Burgo I don't trust the chip as it looks slightly cracked too (can see on the pics) - so I've removed the gear cluster
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Half way removing the diff and I'm stuck on this stupid huge castle nut thing - is there a proper tool to remove it?
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/007.JPG
I found this little how-to guide which has proved useful so far: http://www.mk2cav.com/index.php/page,95.html?PHPSESSID=7441bf9c98e4cfa16818fe92e2f 79486
hammer and center punch/chisel
Or you can get a special tool
Hammer and punch started rounding a tooth off, felt like it was going to break it before it moved. Is the proper tool just called a 'castle nut removal tool', cos I can't find one?
no sure where you would get one from, or what it would be called tbh
make sure you mark it so it goes back in the same place, and count the amount of turns coming out
Flat piece of steel to fit in the "slots" ?
Will have a go but it seems quite tight. Was going to count turns but imagine the figure will be useless as I have a Quaife diff to go in, so will it need tightening specifically for that again?
Stripped down the old damaged box:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/008.JPG
Internals side by side. Both read different part numbers (left is 90 446 357 & 8415-12, right is 90 142 566 & 8415-8), does this mean they're geared differently?
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/009.JPG
The internals I want to use have play in this part that enters the box - is this a problem? The other set doesn't have any play at all...
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/010.JPG
Can someone maybe do me a how-to to swap over that one broken bit? Is that possible?
Still need a guide on how to change the broken bit over if anyone is knowledgeable on the matter?
Got the diff bearing thinggies out using a big piece of angle iron. Took 5.5 full rotations to come out - can I re-use this setting when refitting my new diff?
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And out comes the diff:
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Cleaned the gears and inspected them all, none seem to be broken:
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Which was a relief, as I found the broken bit. For info, there's a magnet to pick up metal filings/broken bits inside the housing at the bottom!
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scott.parker
31-08-10, 07:24 PM
Interesting read Iain, i would want to figure out what/how that bit got broken off tough my self, as it seams quite odd!
And as Paul said on the grill, i did it to mine.
Scott
You need to clean your fingernails Ian :p
Thanks Pul.
To speed things along I'm bypassing the oil cooler for now as it can be added at a later date. To do this you need one of these, found on most 8v and ecotec Vauxhalls:
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Bolts straight in ready for the filter:
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Whipped off my clutch bearing, just undo one bolt:
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And off it comes. Assume it's those three bolts behind it to remove the input shaft seal? As I think the kit I've ordered comes with a new one: http://www.transmission-rebuild-kits.co.uk/vauxhall-f16f18f20-gearbox-gasket-seal-p-1059.html?cPath=90_132
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/018.JPG
Box is all clean and treated ready for building back up:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/019.JPG
And FYI the bare F20 casing (with clutch arm thinggy though) is 9kg.
Nah. I've gone over it with Autoglym metal polish to protect it a bit.
After a thread on MIG about diffs (http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/engines-transmission/447140-installing-quaife-atb-f20.html) containing some helpful pictures and guides, I have cracked on with my own.
Standard diff clamped with crownwheel in a vice (with a rag to avoid damage):
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/020.JPG
Undone all the bolts and trial fitted my ATB:
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After reading DarrenH's WIP from the MIG link above, I thought I'd better check if I'm going to have the same problem as him... So inner CV in standard diff:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/022.JPG
And inner CV in Quaife diff. Yep there's a gap caused by the diff being approx 5mm thinner than the standard one:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/023.JPG
Currently talking to Quaife as to whether I should have the spacer there to take up the gap or not, however they're not really sure what I'm talking about on the phone lol
Going to order a new speedo ring and diff bearings today hopefully also.
dj_wudgey
03-09-10, 01:34 PM
thats a rather nice diff that is!!
It does look quite nice doesn't it.
Gearbox aside, got my suspension shot blasted ready for painting:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/025.JPG
Better job of the rear beam I could ever have done myself:
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Back plates came up like new!
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peester
03-09-10, 06:20 PM
however they're not really sure what I'm talking about on the phone lol
lol welcome to my world lol
Not plating the arms Ian?
FFS Paul lol No I'm not, was a bit worried about bending something if I crash tbh. Maybe I'll do it at some point in the future when I know the car and it's limits.
djbrowney
03-09-10, 07:51 PM
good work buddy
im sure that little bit of differnce on the diff wont hurt ???
Not sure tbh, it snaps in to the circlip groove ok but has a few mm play in/out - assumed that wouldn't happen if it was exactly the same width as standard. Apparently someone has had these spacers from Quaife before, but they're saying they don't do any spacers end of lol
http://www.astra-mk2.com/0ddball/gte_ver2.0/quaiffe03.jpg
More info on the Quaife 'issue' - here's a vid showing the play in the inner CV. (The standard diff has zero play in it.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdLmLaB52qA
scott.parker
03-09-10, 10:17 PM
Humm... You could ask Dar/Lee if this doff play is the norm, they fitted mine in my gearbox, so tbh i have no idea if it has this same play issue, if it does i can not say i have noticed anything when driving the car etc.
Scott
I do still love watching that video, your shaft going in and out, in and out, in and out...... lol
You need to find somebody skilled with a lathe to make up those spacers.
scott.parker
03-09-10, 10:34 PM
Meh box of washers, job done! lol
:eek: This is iain were talking about, a bodge like that :eek:
how come your not having the beam etc powder coated? what type of paint will you be using?
Using POR15 paint. It's like a fancy Hammerite but especially for cars/chassis/etc. Applied to bare metal (after using their marine clean and metal-ready) and apparently provides very good protection against rust.
Just thought it'd be cheaper than getting them powdercoated, and it won't feel quite as bad if I end up having to mod the beam/lower arms/etc later on.
All my bits are painted up nice
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/028.JPG
Think there was some blast media hiding somewhere as some of it is quite bitty, but it's good enough for suspension and mounts:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/029.JPG
Beam:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/030.JPG
Poly bushes in the lower arms:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/031.JPG
Push the pin half way in by hand:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/032.JPG
And finish it up in a vice (probably didn't even need to tho tbh, proper easy to fit!):
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/033.JPG
All done:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/034.JPG
Got my inner CV spacers from Quaife, think they slot on to the CV as follows:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/035.JPG
Put them in the diff, tbh there's still about a 1mm gap/amount of play. Found if I bend out the inner CV clip a bit it holds it a little more stable so may get some new clips and see how it is then:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/036.JPG
peester
07-09-10, 08:26 PM
its all in those minor details...
Just improved the shape of the circlip and the shafts stay in to the diff tightly now. Anyone know where I can get new ones?
its all in those minor details...
Best way to build a car IMO.
I would plate the track control arms, they flex alot in standard shape
dj_wudgey
08-09-10, 12:47 AM
Best way to build a car IMO.
id agree mate often those get noticed more if you get me!!
what did quaife say in the end about the spacers?
I would plate the track control arms, they flex alot in standard shape
It's on my list of potential future improvements, not too expensive or difficult to do in the future.
what did quaife say in the end about the spacers?
Sales guys hadn't heard of the issue, but they passed my photos on to the technical guys who fit them in their workshop. Rang back the next day and they had known what I was talking about and had me two spacers in a packet ready to post to me. He said I must have a very early box for this to be a problem (although not sure how that's possible as the CVs won't be from the same car?!)
I would plate the track control arms, they flex alot in standard shape
They're designed to be a weak link though, should he contact a curb say. Then again, when you have a triangulated cage the car is never gonna get off easy I suppose.
Looking great Iain. From what you were bitching about on MSN I thought it would be obvious they were 'bitty'. lol
He said I must have a very early box for this to be a problem (although not sure how that's possible as the CVs won't be from the same car?!)
Your CVs are cav mk2 inners? Or are you running bigblock stuff?
If its the mk2 stuff then it is very early stuff lol
peester
08-09-10, 01:08 PM
good ol' spacers hey
'is it for a nova?'
'yeah'
'spacers mate'
Cav mk2 inners on 22 spline shafts yeah. As far as I was aware they're the same size as std bigblock inners - after all they fit snugly in the standard diff. Never mentioned the fact I was using them to Quaife for this reason.
Alex you got me a part number for the inner circlip?
Not heard anything yet, will give him a call tomorrow to see how he's getting on.
is this the worlds slowest rebuild?
wouldnt say slowest lol
Best things come to those that wait
Check out Nova Ian's for a slower rebuild (sorry Ian lol)
Check out Nova Ian's for a slower rebuild (sorry Ian lol)
I'll remind you of that once the shell is back and you start finding things to undo and do again lol
nova ian
09-09-10, 03:43 PM
Check out Nova Ian's for a slower rebuild (sorry Ian lol)
Cheeky git!! Lol
tom reid
09-09-10, 10:52 PM
I'll remind you of that once the shell is back and you start finding things to undo and do again lol
True
lollollol
Gave the box internals another quick rinse down and dried them with the air gun:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/037.JPG
Refitted the magnet in the bottom of the casing (where I found my chipped cog bit):
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/038.JPG
Easier to fit the casing to the internals rather than vice versa, so plonked the box on:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/039.JPG
Nice clean selector turret fitted:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/040.JPG
Now on to the diff, I was a bit worried about this but once I got stuck in it was fine!
Diff mount, new bearing race and shaft seal:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/041.JPG
Here's what was stamped on the bearing race, if anyone's after new diff bearings for an F20 (not sure if Timken bearings are any good but time will tell):
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/042.JPG
Used the old race to fit the new ones and the seals, bish bosh bash:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/043.JPG
32mm socket sat nicely on the middle part of the bearing, and tapped it on to the diff:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/044.JPG
Part number for a new F20 speedo drive, cost approx £11 trade:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/045.JPG
Soaked it in hot water and it snapped on nice and easy, all done. Just need to torque the crownwheel bolts up with some loctite and it's good to go in:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/046.JPG
good work dude, you make it look like you've done it loads of times before
good work dude, you make it look like you've done it loads of times before
he probably has if his undersealing is anything to go by lol
Good work, should it not be oiled or greased when you re build it?
What i was thinking about benn, surly it would be better to at least put some oil around it, as when you first start it with the input shaft spinning, no oil will be moving around.
When I fill it up for the first time I'll remove the selector turret and pour the oil in all over the gears so probably be ok?
TBH I've found hardly any info on gearboxes, and my Haynes just says "take it to an expert", so just guessing most of it :d
Your deffo no expert lol
Now its all back together, best you can do really, ideally do it not long before you start it, and id suggest to get using it straight away imo. Best to get things lubed up and all, you would know....
Popped over to see the shell tonight.
Peek a boo:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/047.JPG
Panels:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/048.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/049.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/050.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/051.JPG
Shell:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/052.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/053.JPG
The pillar I almost finished:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/054.JPG
The others are looking good too:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/055.JPG
Some sort of sealer applied to the floor to stop reactions, looking smoooooth:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/056.JPG
Poor guy had to mask up the whole cage too lol
vaughanmc
14-09-10, 09:12 PM
Looks very nice! Can't wait to get my shell ready for paint :)
That does look rather good :cool:
scott.parker
14-09-10, 09:30 PM
You lazy sod! you didn't mask the cage up! that will bump your price up... lol
So who did you get to do this in the end, local place? how much if you dare disclose?
Looks a nice booth and good prime coat too..
Scott
You lazy sod! you didn't mask the cage up! that will bump your price up... lol
So who did you get to do this in the end, local place? how much if you dare disclose?
Looks a nice booth and good prime coat too..
Scott
Makes my usual runs and dry patches look a bit amateur really lol
nova ian
14-09-10, 09:34 PM
That looks brilliant mate, I bet your well chuffed with that :) just wait till it's gleaming White, will look so good then! Nice one Iain
You lazy sod! you didn't mask the cage up! that will bump your price up... lol
So who did you get to do this in the end, local place? how much if you dare disclose?
Looks a nice booth and good prime coat too..
Scott
Yeah he's only about 20 mins away, I won't say exactly how much but it should be less than Wyatt's quote too (and his wasn't expensive!). :thumb:
I don't think it's a primer coat, its some thick sandable stuff to remove high and low spots before primer I believe.
Cheers all.
the fastest progress on your car and it wasnt done by you lol
looks good tho iain, wonder how much he'd charge to paint my engine bay/inside ?
Yeah he's only about 20 mins away, I won't say exactly how much but it should be less than Wyatt's quote too (and his wasn't expensive!). :thumb:
I don't think it's a primer coat, its some thick sandable stuff to remove high and low spots before primer I believe.
Cheers all.aka high build primer
hendrix
15-09-10, 11:09 PM
is it the bloke tom knows who is painting it?
Whens normal service goin to be resumed then chap?
Matty Winslade
16-09-10, 04:22 PM
This will be an absolute beaut when its finished :thumb: good work
Come along quite abit since last time i checked,
im back in derbyland saturday let us know when you get the shell back so i can come over and have a cheeky peek :d
Cheers. There's MFN end of season this Sunday by the way Connor.
Got my diff installed, it was quite difficult finding the point it dragged as it was pulling the rest of the box around. I've set it where there's no play in the bearings and spins freely by hand, so hopefully ok.
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/057.JPG
Cheers. There's MFN end of season this Sunday by the way Connor.
Ahh cool, you attending? fancy convoying?
Will PM you with plans for Sunday night brappin'.
I'm trying to build up my rear drums at the moment, I have this old one to work off:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/058.JPG
The new one so far.
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/059.JPG
What I'm unsure about is whether the bottom spring is correct. This was the only unused one supplied in the Mintex 'fitting kit' I got. The old one used to loop underneath the lug I think?!
Edit: Thread in Mechanical about it HERE (http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1680552)
It's home, hooray. Well chuffed with the job, all the paint looks so nice and the whole car looks cracking now he's finished the quarters, flare, etc.
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/060.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/061.JPG
Front arch flare looks quite nice and subtle:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/062.JPG
And the rear looks mint and almost factory too!
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/063.JPG
Quarters? It hasn't had rear quarters, honest!
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/064.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/065.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/066.JPG
Boot floor is just as smooth and shiny as I had hoped:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/067.JPG
Masked cage looks good IMO:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/068.JPG
Even the roof got a layer of white!
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/069.JPG
On with the rebuild!
vaughanmc
26-09-10, 09:06 AM
Very very nice mate :)
nova ian
26-09-10, 09:12 AM
WOW IAIN!!! That looks amazing mate, who'd of thought going to a car meet a few weeks ago would have resulted in that!! It looks very well indeed and I'm sure you will make just as good job putting it back together.
Cheers Vaughan. I know Ian from a number to a build milestone in a month or so lol Just trying not to chip it as I put it back together :eek:
yum yum! Just gotta get that mofo built up now :)
tom reid
26-09-10, 10:24 AM
Lovely mate, now how many years to put it all together?lol
Dunno lol Will make an effort to get it done in a few months.
Dude that looks awesome. Come out really nice. Get the tape and cables off it so it dont mark the paint.
Looks a top job Iain. Cage looks miles better black than car colour.
Now the difficult job of fitting everything without marking it lol
Loooks Good.
Break it next weekend? lol
The Simps
26-09-10, 12:35 PM
Awesome dude! All the hard work in the prep and taking your time has paid off! Now the fun bit begins of putting things slowly back on!
Looks lush Ian, be careful not to scratch it!
paint looks well iain! Who did you use in the end? and an approx cost if you don't mind me asking? :)
It was someone local recommended to me at a MIG meet a little while back. Checked out his work and it looked decent, and he's a sound guy too.
Few pics of the bay now the bonnet is off:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/070.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/071.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/072.JPG
Just bolted my pedals in, looking all nice painted up lol
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/073.JPG
is it running yet? lol
No! Expected turn key date 24th july 2041.
No! Expected turn key date 24th july 2041.
FLOL Paul lol
Looks very very nice
Out of intrest why have you cut the lower front buts off the wings ?
Shut up Paul lol
Just fancied chopping them off to see if it saved any weight on the front, and the fact they get very rusty due to dirt being kicked up and held in them. Think it saved half a kg :eek:lol
looks sweet fella
love white mk2 nova's :thumb:
nice,very nice.But for christ's sake iain get them spanners off the paintwork!! lol
That looks fooking awesome lemonel really impressed, good luck with a chip free rebuild dude:thumb:
peester
26-09-10, 02:57 PM
looks the business.. well worth while hey. Best colour too.
Hmmmmmmm :cool: :wisewood: :thumb:
That does look really good mate - i need to see this in person if youre about one eve maybe?
Yep text me during the day next week if you want.
Yep text me during the day next week if you want.
10-4 rubber duckie.
i love a good paintjob me.
vaughanmc
26-09-10, 09:12 PM
10-4 rubber duckie.
CB chat FTW...c'mon
Sorted my fuel tank out with new 13mm ID hose for the breather, 8mm ID hose for the pump and return, and 6mm ID hose for the smaller breather (running across the back of the tank)
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/074.JPG
Got the proper hose clamps for fuel lines:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/075.JPG
Whipped the old beam off to make things easier:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/076.JPG
Bare:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/077.JPG
Tank on, wasn't as bad as I remember:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/078.JPG
New beam built up
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/079.JPG
Rear brakes sorted with painted backplates, new shoes, drum, cylinder, fitting kit and handbrake cables:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/080.JPG
New bolts for the rear beam with nyloc nuts:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/081.JPG
On:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/082.JPG
Dug out my rear Gaz coilovers:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/083.JPG
And slapped them on, still just enough clearance on the inner arches so all good:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/084.JPG
Temporary ride height (as my jack wouldn't go high enough to get the car off the axle stands at the height I wanted it at lol:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/085.JPG
Quick rack fitted:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/086.JPG
And to prove it's still a Nova, some nice rusty water marks where the wings haven't been sealed yet lol:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/087.JPG
peester
02-10-10, 05:03 PM
good progress, this is the fun bit now, right..?
Its so nice working with brand new/clean parts aint it? lol
Good work, getting there.
Nice work, Iain, its nice putting clean things on a clean car, you come in with cleanish hands for once!
Looking good mate!
Yeah it's great, underside is filthy already tho, who thought white underneath would be a good idea lol
It's all good fun until something goes wrong, but so far so good everything is going smoothly.
Nice progress
Where did you get your new rear beam bolts from ?
Nice progress
Where did you get your new rear beam bolts from ?
Ill hazard a guess from Marks & Spencers.
On second thoughts, perhaps a fasteners/fixing/bolt shop.
I just bought loads of M6, 8, 10 and 12 nuts, washers and bolts in a variety of lengths. All 8.8 tensile so okay for use on suspension & anywhere else. Saves scrapping around cleaning up old crusty bolts!
Edit: Ordered about 10 of each length from here: http://www.fwb.co.uk/mall/departmentpage.cfm/FWBGroup/70417/1/1
Ill hazard a guess from Marks & Spencers.
On second thoughts, perhaps a fasteners/fixing/bolt shop.
I merely asked because they are NLS at Vauxhall and stainless ones will not be up to the job.
Obviously he didn't get them from marks and Spencer you :tosser:
Marks and Spencers lol They're just 8.8 tensile 'bright zinc plated' bolts.
looking good mate wont be long until its all back together
Looking spot on Iain :thumb:
vaughanmc
02-10-10, 11:30 PM
Looks good Iain :)
is it wrong to have expected it to be going together quicker than this lol
^ lol Come on, this is iain were talking about, will be 2030 before its done lol
^ lol Come on, this is iain were talking about, will be 2030 before its done loli'll take a trip up and bug him to make him do it quicker lol
There's been about 2 dry days since I got it back!
i'll take a trip up and bug him to make him do it quicker lol
So you won't help him then!!
There's been about 2 dry days since I got it back!
So, Put a coat on.
There's been about 2 dry days since I got it back!
**** init mate - ive only gotta spary the inside and waxoyl mine then i can get on and build it but not a chance atm
Yeah, I want to waxoyl my chassis legs/crossmember/sills/doors/quarters etc too but not a chance until it's been dry for a few days!
peester
03-10-10, 02:46 PM
meet next sunday n all! lol
Get a gazeebo or similar, or if you want i can come round and be on 'umbrella duties' lol
Yeah, I want to waxoyl my chassis legs/crossmember/sills/doors/quarters etc too but not a chance until it's been dry for a few days!
Tell me about it :S the weather **** here :( ive had to resort to doing work inside the car with the electrics an crap as oppose to anything of any significance.
The Simps
04-10-10, 06:56 PM
Good slow progress mate! lmao
If you havn't done already while you've got it all up in the air - drill a hole in the back plate near the adjuster enough to fit a flat blade screw driver in. Makes it easier to adjust up the brakes.
Slow progress :eek: I'm trying honest lol
I thought they were auto-adjustment? They're off a '91 car. Wish you'd said before as it's back on the floor, but I'll look at that next time it's up.
Plonked the EPAS steering column and wiring loom in place:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/088.JPG
Two M10 bolts holding it in place (I can remake/redrill the part between the bracket and the column to alter height and location of the column):
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/089.JPG
Double jointed bit aids in straightening it up slightly:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/090.JPG
Got my loom temporarily in the bay too:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/091.JPG
Still thinking of making the front half of the loom unpluggable inside the car as discussed a few pages back.
Gotta hide that bay loom..... lol
This is going to be far too nice to hammer round a track after!
More slow progress, got the brake lines in the front, just need to find some rubber to cover them for the clips (any suggestions?) and some fittings to hold them against the bulkhead (again, any suggestions?)
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/092.JPG
could you not use P-clips with the rubber already on the clips?
Could do, there's some lugs on the bulkhead already (seen in the pic) I was hoping to use, like some screw on plastic clips?
I need to put some rubber around it where it goes under the folding tabs too (in the arches)
P clips as plug said, then use plastic nuts from like a corsa B header tank/map sensor.
You can get rubber strips from ebay and the like for the fold bits. Lenghs of it i mean, like 1inch wide.
Rubber lined P Clip's. Job done.
Or even rivet on saddle's.
The Simps
07-10-10, 01:38 AM
Find a water hose the same bore and use that for the folding tabs cutting it open and sliding it over.
why not just get some of the standard screw on brake pipe clips that go onto the studs you're talking about? or is that me being stupid?
nova ian
07-10-10, 09:14 AM
As others have already said Iain, rubber lined P-Clips is where it's at!!
and rivet them on, non of this pikey self tapper malarky!
why not just get some of the standard screw on brake pipe clips that go onto the studs you're talking about? or is that me being stupid?
Yeah thats what I was thinking of I think lol Some double plastic clip for holding them in place. Will hunt the scrappy for some!
And I'll order some P-clips for use down the exhaust tunnel for the internal lines.
Cheers Simps I'll do that, will have to cut them down one side to fit them thuogh as they probably won't slide over the connectors :thumb:
Waxoyled inside my doors, rear quarters, chassis legs etc with 'clear' (yellow) waxoyl. Not sure if I did it right as it doesn't look all that great, but thinning it down by standing it in hot water really helped it's application (followed by using a brush to smooth it out after spraying it on)
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/093.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/094.JPG
More electrics in place:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/095.JPG
And we have power! Just wanted to check everything was working before cutting the loom to extend it to the front. All lights are working so good to start chopping and soldering...
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/096.JPG
vaughanmc
09-10-10, 05:40 PM
Looks good mate but get more Waxoil in there lol Get it so it's dripping out onto the floor (That's the way we do it at work, that's when you know you have enough)
It didn't drip :confused: Just went on and "stuck" in a matt/lumpy kinda way.
vaughanmc
09-10-10, 05:42 PM
Aye I know what you mean...Maybe needs to be a bit thinner...?
Should protect it anyway though fella :)
Was out of a spray can so no way of adding thinners. The application of it wasn't anything like what I expected tbh (I may have done it wrong tho!)
vaughanmc
09-10-10, 05:45 PM
Nah you won't have mate, maybe just the way it is...There's all different kinds of cavity wax like but just generalised as 'Waxoil'
Following on from the last picture, I have now chopped and soldered my loom to the new front half (the engine bay side of another Nova loom). Looks quite professional IMO lol
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/097.JPG
Also a trip to Vehicle Wiring Products to get my battery relocation stuff, just need a battery tray now:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/098.JPG
iainel i have a corsa b bolt in battery tray. pm me if its of use. i have a corsa m/c aswell....
Looking at getting an alloy aftermarket one, thanks anyway.
scott.parker
15-10-10, 05:08 PM
Dude just looking back at the pics of it after it came back from spray, looks ace, very nice Finnish in the pics, one thing though, what with the front wings being cut off at the bottoms??
Scott
Looking good, a legend must have told you where to do that loom...lol
Your getting it dirty inside :cry:
lol
shonky battery looks out of place lol
peester
15-10-10, 07:22 PM
winter is coming dude
Scott:
Just fancied chopping them off to see if it saved any weight on the front, and the fact they get very rusty due to dirt being kicked up and held in them. Think it saved half a kg :eek:lol
Yesterday's progress. Nova meets engine:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/099.JPG
Off the stand and on with the flywheel with ARP bolts (torqued using SBD's instructions, loctite on the threads and graphite grease under the heads):
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/100.JPG
Clutch lined up by eye and cover plate on lined up with the markings on the flyhweel (piston 1 & 4 at TDC) so it all balances up:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/101.JPG
Box on and assuming the position:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/102.JPG
Car up:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/103.JPG
Engine under:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/104.JPG
Engine up:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/105.JPG
And done:
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