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Maybe I put him off sliding about behind him lol
Interesting opinion on the front ARB
Nice
Great to here someone having sense with a front nova arb :)
Due to popular passenger demand I had to fit a footrest:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/618.JPG
The plan is to fill the tailgate panel with circuits this year, although I'm failing so far!
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/619.JPG
Also played with some fluffy stuff that Prey gave me to try out lol Looks pretty nuts.
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/620.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/621.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/622.JPG
Booked onto Donington for an evening session 21st June if anyone wants to join me: http://www.circuit-days.co.uk/event_info.asp?id=458
Also collected some more tyres for another few Cesaros I've picked up - thanks to Tom Reid for couriering them up to me.
pikey1986
04-06-12, 08:05 PM
i might pop along to watch/cadge a lift ;), im off on the 22nd
that plug cover looks ace, top work :)
Cool sounds good, I have quite a few people wanting a passenger ride but might be able to sort something out.
nova ian
04-06-12, 08:41 PM
Stickers look really good iain, where did you get them from?!
Maybe you should get some taxi style stickers made up stating that cleaning up of sick etc. is at the passengers cost/fine lol
Car really has come on leaps and bounds though mate, now let's get that pannel full of stickers : )
Some local sticker making chump whipped them up for me but made the Blyton circuit wrong lol:p Nah thanks to Nova Ian for the stickers, I'm sure he has the vectors saved away if anyone wants some making!
Make me up a sticker if you know Nathan's going to another trackday and I'll lob it on for the day lol
Pistol Pete
04-06-12, 08:51 PM
Thats it.....my ARB is going back on! Did you have to fit blocks to clear the exhaust manifold?
Yay lol Yes lowering blocks at the front but it's still rubbing my Ashley 4-2-1 slightly so needs lowering a tad more. And that's with lowered tiebars on the spherical bearing front brackets!
Pistol Pete
04-06-12, 08:58 PM
Oh. I meant blocks for the mounts that bolt the ARB to the tie bars. My tie bars havent been lowered.
Yes I have those but it's still touching slightly.
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/613.JPG
Love the plug cover, foot rest is good. Sticker bombing fun i see... haha
turbojolt
05-06-12, 10:49 AM
i was to terrified to be sick in that car lol, you can really pedal that motor around a track good work mate
What type of spigot are you looking for Ian? Just a metal ring to sit inside the spacer? The ones I got for my V6 brake conversions were just two metal 5mm thick rings 56.5-70mm to locate the disc onto the hub centrally. Might be worth looking at some of them if its for the spacer.
Bingo, V6 spigots fit perfectly! No more lining the spacers up by hand!
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/623.JPG
I was very pleased when it slotted straight into the middle!
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/624.JPG
All fitted:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/625.JPG
Rear required a slight chamfer to clear a slightly curved bit of the drum:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/626.JPG
Rear fits nice and snug too:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/627.JPG
turbojolt
11-06-12, 05:19 PM
Having the last couple of days off work (with my bobo) and being bored i read this whole thread
now with out sounding to stupid i knew alot of work when into your car i just didnt relise how much and the shear amount you done your self (makes me feel even worse giving up on mine lol) its a true credit to you matey.
You fricking trooper, 252 pages and over 1600 pictures! lol Glad you're impressed. Had it on the stand at PV show yesterday, wonder if anyone got any snaps
turbojolt
11-06-12, 05:36 PM
there are some of it in the pv events thread mate
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee77/gsijeff/DSC_2816.jpg
one from jeff here dude
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee77/gsijeff/DSC_2831.jpg
and another
Nice to meet you yesterday dude.
Whens next time you're on track? I might come down if its not too far like Blyton/cadwell etc.
well when we offered to complete yours we wernt joking.
SimonTW
12-06-12, 03:06 PM
Bingo, V6 spigots fit perfectly! No more lining the spacers up by hand!
Nice one. Where did you end up getting them from out of interest and how much were they?
turbojolt
12-06-12, 04:36 PM
well when we offered to complete yours we wernt joking.
no were to keep it mate
Cheers Alan. Ben got a few too:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/PVS%202012/IMG_0844.jpg
Nice to meet you yesterday dude.
Whens next time you're on track? I might come down if its not too far like Blyton/cadwell etc.
Nice to meet you too, always nice putting usernames to faces! I am doing some research in to the Cav style rear ARB, might be interesting to try out.
Next trackday is Donington evening session starting at 5:30pm on the 21st (week on Thursday). After that thinking of Rockingham in July.
Nice one. Where did you end up getting them from out of interest and how much were they?
User bs_auto_salvage or similar on eBay, £11 a pair so ended up more expensive than the spacer themselves lol But laser cut 5mm thick so made quite nicely.
no were to keep it mate
i also gave you an option there too!
I give up putting my car back together lol
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/628.JPG
Driving around the other night and heard a clatter under the car as I was pulling over, found a stray M10 bolt that had come out of the gearbox mount. I wonder why they're not staying in properly?! lol
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/629.JPG
Also it keeps pulling the passenger side shaft out of the box and losing all its oil. Have I got these shafts the right way round, with the split one being the slightly longer 'equal' length one? I'd assume so as its quite a difference but thought I'd check!
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/554.JPG
scott.parker
14-06-12, 07:54 PM
Yep there fine mate, did you have some stupid shine stainless bolts keeping that mount on??
Not stupid or shiny, just some BZP M10 ones. Maybe they were a bit short.
turbojolt
14-06-12, 08:31 PM
the car looks in a bit of a state for the track day next week mate
Thanks for your support lol nah will be ready don't worry
turbojolt
14-06-12, 09:42 PM
you have had that thing apart so many times you could proberly put it all back together in a few hours lol
thegingerwhinger
14-06-12, 10:52 PM
he loves velcro! comes apart that easy,but i suppose thats a good thing when it comes to novas!
BRoadGhost
14-06-12, 10:59 PM
Thread lock those bolts into the gearbox, do them up FT and make sure they are the perfect length too. I've had all manner of issues with mounts, so figured the way forward was a 4th.
Well I've drilled, tapped and helicoiled all three gearbox mounts, swapped to some original looking bolts that weren't THAT much longer but a little bit. Loctited as you said BRoadGhost and they're nice and tight:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/630.JPG
While replacing my CV circlip, bottom balljoint and track rod end I thought I'd bosh these bad boys in, should be interesting to find tune the camber and see if they stay positioned as I've heard of people having problems:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/631.JPG
turbojolt
16-06-12, 07:03 PM
nice one mate, my speed awarness course is on the same day as your next track day lol
Haha what a coincidence lol
Set up the camber bolts today, really easy to get the right adjustment so I hope they stay in the desired position.
Lowering it with the suspension compressed to ride hieght:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/632.JPG
Before, 1 deg on the passenger side and a little less on the drivers side for some reason:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/633.JPG
After, both sides set up at 1.5 deg neg camber:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/634.JPG
Set up the toe again to straight and went for a test drive, turn in feels really vague and slow so reset it back to 1mm toe out and it feels lovely now. Checked my camber after a quick test run and we're still good:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/635.JPG
nova_stee
17-06-12, 07:18 PM
Have you got a link to that camber tool?
It's this one: http://www.gunson.co.uk/item.aspx?cat=664&item=4034
Loads of places sell it, motorsport shops, eBay etc.
Nice work, glad you got the box sorted for this Thursday at Donny.
How do make sure the car is level when setting the camber up?
How do make sure the car is level when setting the camber up?
I'll have a stab in the dark with a jack under either side of the car
Set up the camber bolts today, really easy to get the right adjustment so I hope they stay in the desired position.
Lowering it with the suspension compressed to ride hieght:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/632.JPG
I usually measure sill to floor before jacking it up so I know where to lower it back down to. This time it was already on stands so I measured wheel centre to tyre outer and lowered the car down using the CV thread as a centrepoint.
After setting up the camber and putting it back on it's wheels and having a test drive I parked it in a different place on the driveway and they both read 1.5 degrees so hopefully done it right!
I'll have a stab in the dark with a jack under either side of the car
I meant where/what does he measure to get it level smart ar$e..!
Thanks Lionel..
SimonTW
18-06-12, 07:30 PM
TREs returned, going to get the taper inverted in the hub I think.
A couple of pics of what I've been doing lately...
New spherical bearings in my tie bar brackets. For anyone wanting to order some they had GEG20ES-2RS stamped on the original ones and are the larger outer diameter ones (42mm)
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/558.JPG
Sorry to quote from yonks ago but did you change the bearings due to having play in them or just because you were changing a few parts on the car?
No probs Simon. One had some play so I renewed both bearings.
The brackets have grease nipples on however I had neglected to grease them since fitting (9,000 miles of road and track use in all weathers) due to ignorance/being unaware so I think this killed them. With the new bearings I am greasing them every couple of months (did it the other day actually) to hopefully prolong their life.
SimonTW
18-06-12, 07:49 PM
I have the same brackets. I haven't done a great deal of miles on them since I rebuilt them after I had them powdercoated when new I haven't greased them and now one of them has started clunking and knocking and seems to have a visible amount of play in them so presume I might have killed them. Guess it's probably down to me not keeping them greased up. Cheers for the info. Much appreciated.
D'oh! Yes I remember seeing the brackets in your WIP. I was getting all sorts of clunks, groans and creaks which I initially thought was the poly bushes. Sounded like a duck quacking down the street!
My new bearings were about £35 the pair from Rollerball Bearings in Nottingham which was a fair amount cheaper than Protec replacements. Hopefully the part number above will help you source some locally if you do need new ones.
Good work!
Whats the max you can adjust with those camber bolts??? -/+ 1deg or so???
I STILL need to borrow that camber tool!!! lol
Just taken it for a test drive, the front end is MEGA twitchy with this new setup but it digs into corners lovely.
Also the passenger side shaft is still falling out, ANY ideas please post them in the following thread as I'm panicking for Thursday's trackday! http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?186969-F20-driveshaft-seal-leaking/page2
Back from Donington, another success story with caveats. lol
The new geometry setup didn't really work that well, does anyone know if crossply tyres like camber? It didn't seem as stable and predictable on the edge compared to before. I'll be going back to 1 deg neg camber as it's unusable on the roads too!
Despite that I think I managed a best lap of around 1:29-1:30? Video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNHTLpdWdY0
And a few mishaps during the day, first was an epic drifto moment as it started raining, second was Coxy putting me off in the Radical and me completely missing the corner and falling off the track ROFL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVsXeemEqzI
And the day ended 15 minutes early as my backbox sheared off! Just went really raspy mid lap as it snapped!
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/636.JPG
Good times lol
nova ian
21-06-12, 10:59 PM
Well done Iain, this car is immense, handles awesome. Anyone who says an xe in a nova ruins handling etc is talking utter rubbish as this thing is unbelievable in the bends :)
Shame about the exhaust but at least it happened right at the end of the day
Nice one iain
turbojolt
21-06-12, 11:03 PM
got some stiff exhaust hangers then lol, you getting a new system or welding that back on?
damn ashley exhausts always like snapping lol
Glad it's not just me then Mieran! Gonna weld it back together, it's not corroded just cracked clean between the backbox and the system join.
The rear box is on a polybush but the middle is back on original rubbers since it melted two pairs of poly middles. There's no flexi in the system so its under a fair amount of strain throughout I imagine.
epic save on that drift, bet that got your heart racing.
+rep
Nice lap, looks a little 'on the edge' a few time though, what tyres/springs you using now?
Still got those Avon ACB10 semi slicks. They're crossply tyres - I've been doing some reading and I don't think they like much if any camber, which hopefully explains why it felt 'on the edge' during corners and was pulling heavily to one side on the straights.
I'm reverting my camber back to what they were before camber bolts now, I'll revisit those changes when I move to radial semi slicks.
turbojolt
22-06-12, 04:39 PM
when are you getting cams then? when the alignment is all perfect?
Unsure, it definitely felt a little underpowered at Donington though. Keeping my eyes out for some hydraulic-friendly ones/regrinds second hand.
turbojolt
22-06-12, 05:06 PM
I'm surprised you haven't looked into autosprint doing a regrind on yours after all the other work you had them do
Does go well out there. Drift was well handled.
The result of extracting the exhaust gases from producing 149 whopping BHP lol
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/637.JPG
Old Iain would have been on the phone to Ashley to pay full price for a new backbox, but not anymore! lol
Cleaned and prepped:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/638.JPG
Welded around the cracks and ground down, covered the end and there's no light so no leaking:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/639.JPG
Spare section of exhaust cut down, tapered at one end and cut in half to give it some strength:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/640.JPG
Bzzzzzzzzzzzp:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/641.JPG
Refitted the original bracing piece:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/642.JPG
Job jobbed! lick of paint tomorrow and that can be refitted.
Your welding is better than theirs.
turbojolt
22-06-12, 09:06 PM
lol epic welding mate
Cheers Benn
lol epic welding mate
I may have gone a bit mental but it shouldn't be snapping off again lol
How are the camber bolts ? I have know people having them come loose
Nice driving and videos
I may have gone a bit mental but it shouldn't be snapping off again lol
but think of the weight you're adding. lol
turbojolt
22-06-12, 09:38 PM
got to love how you grind down the welds, even tho no one will ever see them lol
got to love how you grind down the welds, even tho no one will ever see them lol
Although it should be noticed this isn't for any kind of performance gain or weight saving, he's just a massive tart.
Wtf guys, I ground down the first set so the sleeves would sit flush with the metal, the sleeve welds have been left alone!
How are the camber bolts ? I have know people having them come loose
I've heard that too, I'll report back tomorrow if they've moved as if it's not raining the coilovers will be getting stripped down and those bolts aren't likely to be staying on.
turbojolt
22-06-12, 09:59 PM
well that just seems half arsed now! sort it out ian (with 2 i's)
Nice fix on the exhaust.
And top bombing on holding that drift! Would of been ace to be watching that from outside the car! :cool: lol
scott.parker
22-06-12, 11:03 PM
PMSL @ the back box snapping, would love to have seen that fly off mid corner! lol
good fix though mate.
nova ian
22-06-12, 11:36 PM
PMSL @ the back box snapping, would love to have seen that fly off mid corner! lol
good fix though mate.
lol Fair play to the Ferrari driver, he did take it incredibly well even though it made a bit of a mess! Took it better than I would of! lol
In all seriousness good work, bring on the next one :)
Backbox repainted and fitted, good as new!
As mentioned a few pages back I'm sick of the coilover springs dislocating so I've sorted myself some helper springs. Thanks to Mieran who donated me some at PV show but unfortunately they're slightly too larger ID and they didn't locate well on the platforms, and the middle platform didn't fit the 2.25" springs. Thanks anyway Mieran!
So got some new 3" ones from Gaz, on with fitting the fronts. Initially I wanted them to be at the bottom so there's less chance of them moving side to side:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/643.JPG
However after fitting them to the car, the middle platform bottomed out on the adjusting seat meaning the weight of the car would be on a plastic ring!
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/644.JPG
Ended up fitting them both at the top:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/645.JPG
Much better:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/646.JPG
Good reason for fitting the rears, the top platform can simply fall off when you extend the shock:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/647.JPG
Job jobbed:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/648.JPG
Rears could do with being 4" open length really (as I anticipated) as I've had to raise the rideheight slightly to keep them in position when on the floor. Unfortunately Gaz only do them in 3" so might have to sort some elsewhere, or just get creative with the cable ties.
i dont see how the weight of the car isn't still on the plastic ring
Well it's still on the plastic ring, but thats pressed up against the coilbound helper so essentially a solid lump. At the bottom when the spring didn't go coilbound it was pressing the locating bit against the bottom spring paltform and the bit the spring sits on would not be pressing against anything and likely snap it. Bad explanation lol
i think i know what you mean not sure it is the case but really doesnt matter so long as your happy with it and it does the intended job
Note to self, don't book a day off work and not have anything planned or stuff like this happens lol
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/649.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/650.JPG
Looks quite good actually lol
Pistol Pete
28-06-12, 08:53 PM
lol not a bad mod that!!
haha more secne by the day... But i kinda like it.
haha more secne by the day... But i kinda like it.
lol
I like that!
we shall be having words if you come over tonight.
turbojolt
29-06-12, 01:55 PM
looks like you was eating chips with mayo and tomato sauce and made a woopsie
BRoadGhost
29-06-12, 02:44 PM
Blood and seamen escaped!
turbojolt
29-06-12, 02:49 PM
Blood and seamen escaped!
lmfao, ian (with 2 i's) has been using spark plug covers to wipe his **** lol
we shall be having words if you come over tonight.
No I'm not making you one. :p
Blood and seamen escaped!
Really? Wow you must really like it then lol
i actually really like it
scott.parker
30-06-12, 11:11 AM
Bo yo, check this gezzas splatter top out!
All you need now is a smurf dangling from your towing eye on the back lol
Set up the camber bolts today, really easy to get the right adjustment so I hope they stay in the desired position.
Lowering it with the suspension compressed to ride hieght:
Before, 1 deg on the passenger side and a little less on the drivers side for some reason:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/633.JPG
After, both sides set up at 1.5 deg neg camber:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/634.JPG
I going to try and set mine up today which the same tool, and remember you have done yours, but looking at those pics, isn't that first reading -1.25/-1.3 degrees? And the second one about -1.75degrees? I'd assume the measurement would be the middle of the bubble like a spirit level?
Hey Mazz. So if you look on the underside of the tool you've got the adjustment dial which you use to 'zero' the tool on a vertical surface. I zeroed the tool with the 'positive edge' of the bubble reading 0 (towards the neg side), so all my readings are from the 'positive edge' of the bubble. This is a bit more accurate than guessing the middle of the bubble each time as you can line the edge up with the marked lines.
Well after a page of mocking here's some more mods to potentially dislike!
Satin black sunstrip as the old one was looking tatty and badly fitted:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/651.JPG
Then off with the rear bumper for a plan I discussed a while ago when painting the bumpers. Still looking fresh under there:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/652.JPG
Hack hack hack lol
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/653.JPG
No more mk2 parachute effect, woop!
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/654.JPG
Doesn't look too in your face from the back/top really:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/655.JPG
Also been mocking these up every couple of days, swaying towards fitting them as my sills are taking a battering and I like the way they box the rear wheels in slightly?!
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/656.JPG
turbojolt
01-07-12, 07:10 PM
the skirts complete the car mate looks the mutts nuts
Nowt to dislike for me.
Sunstrip - needed (IMO)
Rear bumper - fair point parachutes slow you down.
Side Skirts - Stop mocking them up, and get them on.
Just looking into ways of attaching without holes...
Pistol Pete
01-07-12, 08:00 PM
I have just fitted skirts to one side of mine. Check out my build thread...
Also taken many measurements so i can start a thread in articles to help with the fitting.
Liking the bumper mod.
M Sutton
01-07-12, 08:35 PM
Looks good! The things you have done are spot on!
Hey Mazz. So if you look on the underside of the tool you've got the adjustment dial which you use to 'zero' the tool on a vertical surface. I zeroed the tool with the 'positive edge' of the bubble reading 0 (towards the neg side), so all my readings are from the 'positive edge' of the bubble. This is a bit more accurate than guessing the middle of the bubble each time as you can line the edge up with the marked lines.
Ah that makes sense now, thanks. I did have a brief attempt earlier but ran outta time, but i've give another go
Liking the plug cover!
Just fit the skirts with the proper clips.
Drill tiny holes, self tapper with some silicon on thread, cover said screw over with silicon to stop rust.
Mine had no rust after well over a year. Which is saying something for a nova.
def fit the skirts :thumb:
plug cover n bumper looks sweeeeeeeeeet to :)
Bumper mod is not complete without doing away with the wheel well though
Nice job on the bumper, it's something i should really do. I would say paint the wheel well black so it does stand out so much.
Yeah someone else suggested that, kind of pointless having the whole underside white/body coloured if you just paint the bits on show black though lol
If I don't decide to remove the well (looking into it at the moment) then it can stay white, I'm not too bothered!
Will look like its pants have fallen down to show it's **** crack...
novadave24
02-07-12, 02:15 PM
very much liking mate :)
SimonTW
02-07-12, 03:54 PM
Take the spare wheel well out and knock up a flat floor panel and rear diffuser. Should be a simple job for a man of your skills.
Hmmmmmmmm still unsure about the wheel well. I hate doing stuff like this when it's been painted though :(
You do get to cut the rear panel a bit higher so I'd have to lop yet more out of the bumper:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/2008%20Clutch/DSC08253_800x600.jpg
turbojolt
02-07-12, 05:49 PM
would give you something to do to it over the winter months when trackdays arnt going on as much
BRoadGhost
03-07-12, 02:05 PM
Yeah it's worth doing imo, if you can get it started from and inline with the floorpan it gives you a chance to space frame where the fuel tank used to be, if you're not running it there.
Although the trade off is a marked weight gain, it is where you want it. The other down side is the drag low pressure makes; I found going under the beam means a proportion of the flow, along the exhaust tunnel pushes down on the top of the diffuser and out the sides rather than under, up and out.
Still running a fuel tank so if I were to do it it'd simply be to remove the well itself.
scott.parker
03-07-12, 07:52 PM
Humm where did that bumper idea come form??
lol looks alright!
me. we were discussing all this last year
like i was saying. strap the beam, run an ally plate over the whole of the back of it. obviously you cant totally flat bottom it entirely but its a good start.
scott.parker
05-07-12, 12:42 PM
Calm down Karl, and i think you should ask Iain, as we were talking about doing this well over a year ago too! as i was going to do it on my old track car.
turbojolt
05-07-12, 01:05 PM
calm down lads i gave him the idea.
scott.parker
05-07-12, 01:13 PM
You can wind your fing neck in too! lol
think your find me and ernie were first:p
lollollollollol
my dads bigger than your dad hahahaha
scott.parker
05-07-12, 02:37 PM
think your find me and ernie were first:p
Think you'll find your AN IDIOT! fact! lol
turbojolt
05-07-12, 02:41 PM
lollollollollol
my dads bigger than your dad hahahaha
i can well believe that
trackdaynova
05-07-12, 07:23 PM
Liking the videos Iain - would be even better if we could see your movements as the driver... great catch on the slide on Redgate - great feeling isn't it, makes one push harder!
Do you have a cage mount for your camera? or is there a reason you have it screen mounted?
take care, keep up the good work!
Was my idea, I even did pretty pictures
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/sclurgess/pv%20project/5.jpg
trackdaynova
05-07-12, 07:33 PM
I've just done exactly that on the busa lol
You put a diffuser on a bike :s :p
It was Burgos idea back in 1983. End of discussion.
Liking the videos Iain - would be even better if we could see your movements as the driver... great catch on the slide on Redgate - great feeling isn't it, makes one push harder!
Do you have a cage mount for your camera? or is there a reason you have it screen mounted?
take care, keep up the good work!
Cheers! It's a proper cage mount yeah (Manfrotto double joint thing) but the camera seems to screw up when mounted behind me - very dark inside and too bright white outside - rendering it unwatchable. I'd love to capture some behind-driver footage but I haven't worked out a way to do so yet without buying a new camera :(
trackdaynova
05-07-12, 07:55 PM
I have an idea - let me know when you're doing a track day next, I'll bring my GoPro HD Hero2 to sling in your car, whilst I do some photography of you whizzing around the circuit...
Hows that sound? That said, if its appealing, I may well book on the track with you - so you can have some external footage of your car whilst I'm behind you trying to keep up!
Next one I'm booked on for is Rockingham on the 20th :) Feel free to pop along!
Trying to keep up lol Sure sure.
Would be very rude for me not to pop over to rockingam
Sounds good, it's all booked and confirmed so pop over.
BRoadGhost
06-07-12, 06:25 PM
Why couldn't you get the entire floor covered in sheet ally?
I could do! Something I need to think about and read up on before just smashing it on and hoping for the best though lol
scott.parker
06-07-12, 06:32 PM
I could do! Something I need to think about and read up on before just smashing it on and hoping for the best though lol
If it was that simple we would of all done it! lol
Colin has had conversations about this at the national with a few of us, as he knows the guy who writes the books on auto aerodynamics etc..
Dude have a look at Lee303 thread on Mig, he's done a full flat floor on his Nova.
BRoadGhost
07-07-12, 11:26 AM
Hmmm? I wasn't aware Lee's rear diffuser ran the full length.
He's got a full flat alloy floor, ending in a huge diffuser... I'll look for a pic...
Start of...
righty, so a little update
first job on this evening list was to mount the new, bigger mill motor that is hopefully much more suited to milling than the last one, which was fairly easy, i drilled and tapped the plates, while Brian bored out the pulley to suit the fat new shaft on the lathe..
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/01122009737.jpg
Brian also had it all wired in and working by the time i left, and it seems pretty bloody good tbh, so we can now mill stuff again, yay!
after that, i didi a bit more on the splitter, having re familiarised myself with TIG welding, even got some nice looking welds
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/01122009738.jpg
and some not so nice obviously, but what are grinders for!!lmao
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/01122009739.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/01122009740.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/01122009741.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/01122009742.jpg
looking pretty good now, sides are tacked in place, need to work out how to clamp it up to do the middle ones though, as the ally needs to take the shape of the strakes, should be a challenge! roll on the weekend…
And
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/21112009722.jpg
And here...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/16012010855.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/16012010856.jpg
so, first job was out with the old…
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/16012010857.jpg
that done, time for some CAD and a bit of cutting with a jigsaw…we used 4mm polycarb from a builders merchants btw… then the fun of fitting them in the frame, made harder by the shape and the fact a full size window isn't meant to fit in one go, hence the quarter light as standard…
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/16012010858.jpg
then a bit of silicon round the seals, and a small bracket to stop the window falling and we were done!
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/16012010859.jpg
looks way better and has sved willay approximately 8 kg with the mechanisms etc removed
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/16012010860.jpg
fronts are next!!
so, that done, did a bit more to the nova, namely making it so i can jack it up and adding some decent fixings to the floor, still some to do but i got it down off the stands just to see how she looks, cant get to look properly unfortunately as there's a MK1 MR2 in the way as matt decided to get one, but it is nice to see it on the floor, doesn't look too low to me either:)
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/16012010862.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/16012010863.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/16012010866.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/16012010868.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/16012010870.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/16012010873.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/16012010874.jpg
:
lol I think well all have to remember we are talking Vauxhall Nova's and not Formula 1 cars !!!!!!!!!
All that alloy stuff underneath is not going to make any difference that you will notice imo, therefore not worth the effort
If your trying to be Adrian Newy, give Red Bull Racing a ring instead of bolting coke cans on the unside of your 25 year old production car
SimonTW
07-07-12, 02:50 PM
It must make some difference. Mini go to the effort of putting flat floor panels into the John Cooper Works Minis and offer a rear diffuser of a similar design to the one on that Nova. There must be some gain worth the effort.
lol I think well all have to remember we are talking Vauxhall Nova's and not Formula 1 cars !!!!!!!!!
All that alloy stuff underneath is not going to make any difference that you will notice imo, therefore not worth the effort
If your trying to be Adrian Newy, give Red Bull Racing a ring instead of bolting coke cans on the unside of your 25 year old production car
In my opinion your very wrong, Renault claim the tiny diffusers they put on clios work, so how can that not, I do also think his diffuser is to much of an angle but that just means its not optimised it doesn't mean it won't work. Dar also reported good results from his simple diffuser and that is just a diffuser.
tbh, it can't not help, surely its pretty obvious that being flat underneath has got to be better
Yes but Edd knows all didn't you know?
lol I think well all have to remember we are talking Vauxhall Nova's and not Formula 1 cars !!!!!!!!!
All that alloy stuff underneath is not going to make any difference that you will notice imo, therefore not worth the effort
Doesn't matter what it is, it's drag from wind and such that cause probs, slow flow or stopping it.
In my opinion your very wrong, Renault claim the tiny diffusers they put on clios work, so how can that not, I do also think his diffuser is to much of an angle but that just means its not optimised it doesn't mean it won't work. Dar also reported good results from his simple diffuser and that is just a diffuser.
I was gonna say look at the new line of eco Volovs. They have totally flat plastic floors as it reduced wind drag meaning smoother flow meaning better mpg...
Yes but Edd knows all didn't you know?
Now your beginning bore me, if you had read my post correctly you will of seen I said imo
Im very far away from knowing it all and unlike some who clearly think they know everything
turbojolt
08-07-12, 11:00 AM
Now your beginning TO bore me, if you had read my post correctly you will of seen I said imo
Im very far away from knowing it all and unlike some who clearly think they know everything
.
Sorry, fort id got it right :d
BRoadGhost
08-07-12, 12:01 PM
Yeah Lee's done well to get the mid section entirely covered in such a simple piece. I had problems with the exhaust touching when I had a go, so have put that part on hold. What I might do is just cover the gap over the exhaust tunnel when I look at it again, to keep the weight down and as the rest of the floor is fairly flat.
I've added a splitter on the front recently and can feel the difference straight away at speed, so adding a flat front underside would be bliss.
TJ AND Edd, if you're only going to post drivvel and bait other members, including the staff, in the wip threads, then bugger off and play in muppet!
Back to the discussion of the diffusers, if you think they're pointless then go have a word with Lee and Dar as Dar's is similar to the one Benn posted up and he can only say positive things about it, said its done wonders for the cars handling and road holding :d
Yeah Lee's done well to get the mid section entirely covered in such a simple piece. I had problems with the exhaust touching when I had a go, so have put that part on hold. What I might do is just cover the gap over the exhaust tunnel when I look at it again, to keep the weight down and as the rest of the floor is fairly flat.
I've added a splitter on the front recently and can feel the difference straight away at speed, so adding a flat front underside would be bliss.
Lee's exhaust still comes out the back tho don't for get.. Pics of yours then... For Iain i mean..
turbojolt
08-07-12, 04:08 PM
TJ AND Edd, if you're only going to post drivvel and bait other members, including the staff, in the wip threads, then bugger off and play in muppet!
sorry was just nice to see him make a mistake for a change lol
on another note it would be epic to see you go this in depth with the car Ian (with two i's), would take a already class car to a whole new level :thumb:
I am reading with interest and having a think. Going to drop the front end down a bit with a thicker splitter while I ponder flat floors, rear diffusers and the likes.
BRoadGhost
08-07-12, 08:15 PM
http://www.image-upload.net/di/4XVP/diff1.jpg
http://www.image-upload.net/di/QK95/diff2.jpg
http://www.image-upload.net/di/C5OV/diff3.jpg
It's been refined since with the different exhaust I run and is now fully enclosed. Uses captive rivnuts in part too.
chimp007_uk
08-07-12, 08:22 PM
Surely the point of track day cars are for a bit of fun on a track. Most of the things you're talking of doing aren't even allowed in most entry level track racing classes. Yeh, they'll work, but surely for a "non competative" track days, you're better off saving your money and time, and putting it towards another trackday.
Where do you draw the line?!
Just my 2pence worth.
BRoadGhost
08-07-12, 08:30 PM
Probably not the best time to mention the car's never even been on a track.
Probably not the best time to mention the car's never even been on a track.
Have you a project thread anywhere on the internet ? From the few pics you have posted here and there it looks a very interesting, well put together build
Nice to see some more pics :)
nova_stee
08-07-12, 09:16 PM
Probably not the best time to mention the car's never even been on a track.
You need a project thread that looks awsome
Surely the point of track day cars are for a bit of fun on a track. Most of the things you're talking of doing aren't even allowed in most entry level track racing classes. Yeh, they'll work, but surely for a "non competative" track days, you're better off saving your money and time, and putting it towards another trackday.
Where do you draw the line?!
Just my 2pence worth.
Yes in theory its just a bit of fun chucking the car about on track. However there's plenty of fun to be had in development, learning things around stuff like this, making it faster/handle better, reducing laptimes (taken off videos, no timing on the day!) and the sense of achievement associated with that stuff. If you're not bothered about all that stuff just buy a 205 GTI and sling it about? lol
Cheers for the pics BRoad, very interesting :)
turbojolt
08-07-12, 09:30 PM
Yes in theory its just a bit of fun chucking the car about on track. However there's plenty of fun to be had in development, learning things around stuff like this, making it faster/handle better, reducing laptimes (taken off videos, no timing on the day!) and the sense of achievement associated with that stuff. If you're not bothered about all that stuff just buy a 205 GTI and sling it about? lol
Cheers for the pics BRoad, very interesting :)
ive got a couple spare stop watchs, if you want one remind me next time we link up sweet heart xxx
Nooo, timing is a no-no on the day! I just take laptimes from the video footage.
Surely the point of track day cars are for a bit of fun on a track. Most of the things you're talking of doing aren't even allowed in most entry level track racing classes. Yeh, they'll work, but surely for a "non competative" track days, you're better off saving your money and time, and putting it towards another trackday.
Where do you draw the line?!
Just my 2pence worth.
A little bit of me died inside just reading that lol
Fiddling ftw :d
You need a project thread that looks awsome
I've been saying that for years.
loving all the baiting thats going on here hahaha
its happening. deal with it lol
BRoadGhost
10-07-12, 07:47 PM
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/243/561/afc.gif
^ Hahaha.
Time for something a little less performance oriented. Undecided on it currently but it'll at least make it a little different to the other white Novas at the shows and it's still quite 80s/Vauxhally
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/657.JPG
I agree, the stolen skirts look is definitely different.
Looks good
Maybe same theme on the roof, quarters and tailgate ?
But im not like the stolen sideskirt look either lol
Pistol Pete
11-07-12, 09:40 PM
Like the graphics. Maybe the roof too?
Got the clips fitted then lol
Hhmmm i do kinda like them..
Yeah thinking of something similar on the tailgate, playing with some designs.
Like the graphics. Maybe the roof too?
Got the clips fitted then lol
Tigerseal ftw lol If there's any pics from Billing without skirts on it's cos they fell off on the way.
Skirts are on, tigerseal clips are doing their job. Only slight problem is I smoothed off the bolt holes in the rear fin so its pretty much solely relying on double sided tape and one clip to not fall off, eeep lol
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/658.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/659.JPG
And some matching tailgate decals.
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/660.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/661.JPG
turbojolt
12-07-12, 06:26 PM
looking more and more like a finished product, good work mate
Tailgate looks awesome, better with skirts as well
IMO doing the quarters with stickers would finish it off
or maybe bottom front of the front doors? photoshop needed imo
I like the flashes, i like the skirts.
Skirts are on, tigerseal clips are doing their job
Spoke too soon they've almost fallen off this morning lol
scott.parker
13-07-12, 11:32 AM
See i am a visionary when it comes to nova graphics lol
looks good, why not do checkered rear quarters in same color themes?
See i am a visionary when it comes to nova graphics lol
What, you designed the Nova Sport graphics/colours in the 80s? lol
Quite like Burgers idea of something on the doors actually.
Pistol Pete
13-07-12, 04:01 PM
Spoke too soon they've almost fallen off this morning lol
Screws FTW lol
I used tiger seal for the rear fins. Just stuck them down. For a second time....
The tigerseal has stayed on the paintwork and come away from the clips, typical eh! lol I've picked up some other bonding sealant to try so fingers crossed it's dry tomorrow.
Looks awesome with the flashes, have your arches been rolled? i cant tell if they have or if im being a tard :confused:lol
Rolled and flared a fair amount front and rear, yeah.
i take it thats too get the comps under there?
First off, they're Revolution Millenniums NOT Compomotives or Cesaros lol
I fitted new rear quarters and space was tight on a 5.5J 15" wheel, so I flared them all to clear anything I'd ever need to run. I can run 6mm spacers and 195 wide semi slicks and still get my hand up between the arch and tyre.
turbojolt
13-07-12, 04:58 PM
yer there cheapo cesaros reps.
First off, they're Revolution Millenniums NOT Compomotives or Cesaros lol
I fitted new rear quarters and space was tight on a 5.5J 15" wheel, so I flared them all to clear anything I'd ever need to run. I can run 6mm spacers and 195 wide semi slicks and still get my hand up between the arch and tyre.
ooo touchy lol fair play mate! lol
yer there cheapo cesaros reps.
lollollollol
baggott
13-07-12, 08:56 PM
hi iain im new to the build link but saw the nova at pvs looks well smart do you the flocking
Hey Baggott. Thanks. It's not me that does the flocking, the car was just being used as a demo/shelf for a friend, here's a link to the guy that does the flocking: http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?185514-Flocking...
The tigerseal has stayed on the paintwork and come away from the clips, typical eh! lol I've picked up some other bonding sealant to try so fingers crossed it's dry tomorrow.
OK bonded the clips on last night, fitted the skirts this morning, gave them a tug 20 minutes later and they fell off. So drilled and self tappered all 16 clips, FALL OFF NOW YOU BUGGERS.
Also I was quite liking the splitter attached to this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/terrible___1/100_9566.jpg
So off to the scrappy and £5 got me one - albeit a slightly battered and wonky one it'll do!
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/662.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/663.JPG
turbojolt
14-07-12, 04:13 PM
splitter looks good but its going to take a right battering as you nova is really low already
It's not that low! Just measured 8.5cm from the splitter to the floor, should be plenty!
turbojolt
14-07-12, 04:19 PM
really looks lower then that when you stand near it, mind you for 5 quid if it brakes just get another one lol
Isn't a spilter ment to spilt the air... half up and half down (up to the rad and down under the car)
Where that just looks like a damn to stop air...?
I wanted it to reduce the amount of air going under the car (whether or not its big enough to be worthwhile I don't know!) so for that purpose the scoop shape is ideal?
looks better than the last one, whats it off?
mk2 Seat Ibiza. It feels sturdier than the floppy mk4 Astra one too!
trackdaynova
18-07-12, 10:04 PM
are you at RAF Wittering on Sunday Iain?
scott.parker
19-07-12, 05:14 PM
Now everyone will be fitting them after i told you what it was, and yes im am taking credit for that, the rear bumper idea and the graphics! lol lol lol
Looks ace mate, like the splitter, did think of them a few times in the past hence why i knew what it was straight away, im looking at putting something on my mk1.
Scott
nova ian
20-07-12, 08:32 AM
Morning!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/cruisindude/1e469404.jpg
Cock and bollocks, forgot you were over there today
Oh Burgo :( I'll be back there at some point cos I found the track pretty fun, hopefully in the sun next time as the track gets EXTREMELY slippery in the wet!
All in all a good day at Rockingham, a small number of cars on track meant it was pretty quiet and relaxed throughout the day. No car damage except another set of exhaust hangers melted through (my fault for trying polys again).
We did this circuit, all the black and round the red bit (extra bit compared to the BTCC I think).
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/668.JPG
Parked up in the morning:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/664.JPG
The sun came out so I set my worker monkey Nova Ian to work fitting me some slicks!
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/665.JPG
Liking the all-blackness of this!
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/666.JPG
Span it coming round the fast banked corner at about 100mph, luckily avoided the wall and ended up on the grass on the inside. Typically the camera turned itself off during this session, sigh! Muddy aftermath:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/667.JPG
I captured some video footage too. Here's some dry laps at full chat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CqkA8uetmo
And here's me grappling on a very very wet lap, probably seems quite slow and it really was due to lack of grip!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brSTehSylt0
Man that track looks awesome. But 420p? Turn the quality up. I do like that there doesn't seem to be any one else on track with you..lol Am not liking the black wheels tho :(
You seem a very relaxed driver too and keep your hands on the wheel. All very good.
are you running a quick rack?
Sorry Ben its a bit of a juggling act with the camera battery quality space etc. Think I need to invest in a proper sports video camera after all.
Yes Quaife quick rack and corsa epas making the steering easy!
SimonTW
21-07-12, 02:09 PM
I'm pretty sure my powerflex exhaust mounts have a steel cable running through them to stop them giving way if melted throug. What brand are you using?
Poly-X from RallyDesign. No such metal in these ones!
turbojolt
21-07-12, 09:11 PM
nice work as usual mate, would be good to see some edited videos with cut scenes of the incar footage when you need to correct the car like the big slide on your last outing
How's this? Just been making a compilation of slides and corrections to show just how slippy it was!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfjT9PLF05w&feature=youtu.be
chimp007_uk
21-07-12, 09:21 PM
Bit too aggressive for wet conditions me thinks.
Were you the only one out?! Or did all the bigboys worry about binning it?
turbojolt
21-07-12, 09:24 PM
full dedication + the wet = legend
I can't see the videos :(
Bit too aggressive for wet conditions me thinks.
Were you the only one out?! Or did all the bigboys worry about binning it?
Yeah I did try and do some smooth/quicker laps but tbh it was all too slow so I just smashed it about for max fun factor lol
Something like 17 cars booked on and barely any actually out any any one time so hardly saw another car on the circuit!
loving it lionel! Good vids :)
chimp007_uk
21-07-12, 09:36 PM
Yeah I did try and do some smooth/quicker laps but tbh it was all too slow so I just smashed it about for max fun factor lol
Something like 17 cars booked on and barely any actually out any any one time so hardly saw another car on the circuit!
Haha fair play! I'm hoping to get the nova up to my house this Saturday, trying to swap the engine's and get it prep'd for the Mallory on the 13th OCt if you fancy it? Trying to drag Al out to play! After driving round the Nurburgring the other week, I've got the enthusiasm to get it back on track!
Not done Mallory before so sure, I'll add it to my diary and aim to join you.
mallory is ace..
gerards is the tricky bit, its a bend that lasts forever, loads of people carry too much speed into it & then when they suddenly find out it tightens up on the exit, they are already on the way to the scene of the accident...
i used to cycle there for race meetings when i was a kid... i love the place.
chimp007_uk
21-07-12, 09:49 PM
Not done Mallory before so sure, I'll add it to my diary and aim to join you.
I'll keep you posted, it's a full day and open pit and only £129.
mallory is ace..
gerards is the tricky bit, its a bend that lasts forever, loads of people carry too much speed into it & then when they suddenly find out it tightens up on the exit, they are already on the way to the scene of the accident...
i used to cycle there for race meetings when i was a kid... i love the place.
It's my local track now, only 30miles away... I'm fitting a baffled sump for those types of corners lol. Big ends started knocking at Bedford on slicks just on the back straight after the fast hairpin.
Nice sliding..lol Love the passenger? at 1:40..lol
vid is class - and actually improved by karls giggling in the background ha ha.
I like the front splitter, I might have to copy that idea ;)
trackdaynova
29-07-12, 02:34 PM
Bit too aggressive for wet conditions me thinks.
What an absolutely stupid comment.
/thatisall
drive hard or drive home, cant wait until my track nova is built
Well no real updates since Rockingham, but I'm booked on at Blyton Park again on the 22nd so figured I'd better do some work on it.
Replaced a wheelbearing with play, and no matter what I do the new bearings still have play, so screw it it can stay with play in! Pic of empty machined Nova knuckle/Cav hub, just cos lol
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/669.JPG
Also when there noticed my brake pads are woefully destroyed, so ordered a set of Carbone Lorraine CL5+s which I'm waiting to turn up:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/670.JPG
Due to the position of my seats the old door handles would crack my elbow regularly, so ordered some straps:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/671.JPG
Bolted to the door behind the doorcard and modified the handle surround slightly so they can poke out. Still regret not ordering black ones but oh well.
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/672.JPG
My PZRacing shift light wasn't working off the revcounter feed, assume because it doesn't come from the ECU, so ordered a little control unit that has a wire sensing off a HT lead.
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/673.JPG
Shift lights positioned on the dashboard:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/674.JPG
Still to prove that they work properly, so there's still time for them to be a failure.
Also fixed my in-car camera footage for trackdays with a GoPro Hero2, much better image quality and no vibrations:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/675.JPG
paul james
10-08-12, 06:27 PM
Where did you get the removeable steering wheel boss from?
Halfords sale many years ago.
turbojolt
10-08-12, 11:56 PM
love it, the straps are a very good idea and look really really cool (and i know cool ;) )
I'm not keen on the straps, might try and mount the alloy handle a bit further forward.
Also the shift lights still done work, so they're probably getting ripped out, FFS waste of money!
turbojolt
11-08-12, 12:05 AM
send it back mate
looking good, i have problems with the camera though - anything called 'hero' is just a bit wrong lol.
davidfox280585
11-08-12, 10:48 AM
one of the best wips on here well done
Cheers David very kind!
Just for you Benn lol Spent the weekend playing with the best settings/mounting/location/angle so any feedback welcome for my trackday!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5SI7Qw7pNs&feature=youtu.be
I'm experimenting trying to learn heel-toe which is why a few gearchanges are less than beautiful!
turbojolt
12-08-12, 06:47 PM
that is so much better, the mounting position and the image quality well done mate
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