My Nova 16v Project

[Adam]

Nice.


Magnetic pickup sensor and wheel mounted on the cv joint could work for speedo.

Thats what Will F and Dan use/used iirc.

Needs an expensive elec speedo cash tho.

[General Baxter]

bring it up to mine lol

[General Baxter]

PM me your post code then :D and i'll see what the misses is up to :)

Apparently got to put Xmas tree up tonight, being the 1st, and all that jazz

you know my post code fool, pm me yours and im on my way lol

[trackdaynova]

Been out and about getting used to car...

Done a couple of short tests...

1st gear - 6800rpm - 55mph
2nd gear - 6800rpm - 69mph
3rd gear - 6800rpm - 71mph
4th gear - 6800rpm - 93mph
5th gear - 6800rpm - 112mph

That was using TomTom which doesnt update real time split second, so could be an mph or so here and there

Not sure how thats going to be at Donny on Saturday, as with standard box I was reaching limiter in 4th only down the Dunlop straight which is 122mph or there abouts

However, I will be probably be getting to 112mph faster, will this slow me down on the whole do you reckon?

[Adam]

Fcuking hell thats a long first gear.
If you reached 122mph, and your now limited to 112, then yeah your going be sitting on the limiter on the main straight, not really recommended.
Should be better once the tbs and management go on, higher limit.

[ANDYRACER]

If i can hit 110mph flat out in 5th in a nova sr down the straight at combe then your defo going to hit the limiter in 5th.

[The Simps]

One of the reasons I went to f28 olly. I tend to do donnington more than any other track and was fustrated topping out on the back straight.

[scott.parker]

Why is there not much diffrence between 2nd and 3rd, i would though there would be more mph in between then that?

2nd gear - 6800rpm - 69mph
3rd gear - 6800rpm - 71mph

Scott

[trackdaynova]

lol sorry, that 3rd must be 81mph, not 71mph

As said - these were on a TomTom that only updates every couple of seconds, and I wasn't holding it on the limiter for that long.

Not sure what to do about trackday now, i'll hit 112mph very quick now, even before the bridge, do i just sit on the limiter until the chicane? lol

Simps - what box were using to run out of gearing? thats some going!

I think I'll be quicker overall, throughout the rest of the track, just unsure what to do about the straight!

[trackdaynova]

Just found some WIP pics from the gearbox swap which I didn't realise I took...

beefed up clutch arm
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0458.jpg

Speedo drive cut and sealed due to plate diff
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0459.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0460.jpg

Box out, waiting for new one on
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0457.jpg

Got nuts and bolts today for throttlebody setup
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0452.jpg

Made a little plate over stereo hole for fuel pump switches, and others that I might use in the future (possibly fan etc)
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0453.jpg

Stripped down the polycarbs and gave them a clean up due to them being weathered etc... on with fitting them, and gutting out the door innards
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0454.jpg

Put rubber edging around (cheers for the link Dar) to save any mishaps on sharp edges
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0456.jpg

Here is one doors worth of junk
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0455.jpg


The weight of both front glass windows, glass quarter windows, rubbers, winder mechanisms and excess metal that was removed was 11.7kgs

The weight of 2x front polycarbs with sliders, and rubbers is 3.4kgs

Saving 8.3kgs just from the fronts alone

Plus the rear quarters glass was 4.3kgs, polycarbs were 1.7kgs pair

Plus rear window glas was 4.6kgs, polycarb equivilant was 1.9kgs

For those interested lol total weight saving from glass to polycarbs and gutting front door innards is: 13.6kgs total.

[novashed]

proper build now mr hewitt, i actually feel motivated by all this as i feel i may be outdone soon lol, so got cracking today with some more on mine!

cant wait til next weekend boyo.

[The Simps]

Simps - what box were using to run out of gearing? thats some going!


That was on an f16 box on my let running around 250 bhp. Was topping out around 125mph (indicated). Was annoying. Havn't had a real chance with the f28 yet but will definately be 130mph+

[scott.parker]

Ol thats a crazy amount of weight saved in from just the windows alone...

I have been salvaging scrap's of 3mm Plexiglas from work,and i have enough now to make rear, rear 1/4 and front 1/4's im not sure if i will go to slider yet.

good job mate.

Scott

[Mike]

OOOOOhhh im liking the amount of junk from outta the doors lol

One of the items youve removed, drivers side exterior lower trim section, the grey aluminium thing, im after one if you want a few beer tokens for it on Sunday at the pub?

[Mike]

nothing up there is external?

Doh! Its me being mega dumb lol

[peester]

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0455.jpg
The weight of both front glass windows, glass quarter windows, rubbers, winder mechanisms and excess metal that was removed was 11.7kgs
The weight of 2x front polycarbs with sliders, and rubbers is 3.4kgs
Saving 8.3kgs just from the fronts alone
Plus the rear quarters glass was 4.3kgs, polycarbs were 1.7kgs pair
Plus rear window glas was 4.6kgs, polycarb equivilant was 1.9kgs
For those interested lol total weight saving from glass to polycarbs and gutting front door innards is: 13.6kgs total.

Best Modification of the year award goes to..

Whats the ?? to 13.6kgs then?? cost, basically.

[trackdaynova]

Well, just the cost of the set of the polycarbs, and reused some Corsa B window rubbers :)

Mini update really, getting more prepared for Donington

Finished passenger door having bought a new grinder after killing old one
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0462.jpg

Gut out the tailgate same as I did the doors, and ran edging strip around
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0461.jpg

Pics of the new gearbox in situ
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0463.jpg

Got a very very slight gearbox oil leak from the passenger driveshaft (probably seal), about a teaspoons worth over 2 nights, nothing drastic!
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0464.jpg

As much as we tried - kinda wrote the idea off that we'd get the new seats in before Saturday, my welder is playing up, and didnt want to go and lop out old runners, just incase we got caught out which meant we'd have to forfit the trackday, so staying with the current buckets for now.

Took inlet manifold for TB's to Wilcox Motorsport today to have the vacuum to servo return hole drilled & tapped into it, should be collecting that tomorrow

All's well.

Just need to find a new way of holding the polycarbs "up" in the door, as they rattle loose and slide down over a while

[Adam]

Cool.
I'll look forward to seeing it on Sat :)

[scott.parker]

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0462.jpg

.

Just need to find a new way of holding the polycarbs "up" in the door, as they rattle loose and slide down over a while

Ol you see where the rubber runs along the bottom of the window,on the lip of the glass opening,could you not get some sort of a strip of alloy, or maybe a "U" shape channel alloy and fix it upside down to the window and the alloy then mounts onto to that lip of the opening, it's hard to explain how i mean, i just have an idea as we have this alloy split battern stuff at work and think it would work a treat!

Scott

[Iain]

Good stuff, I'm liking the weight saving.

[Lee]

Check my WIP Olly, theres a beter way to fit the front polys, theres also a part number and supplier for the rubber you need too.

EDIT.. Erm, I would change your clutch inspection plate before going to donny. One trip in the gravel and the your clutch is gonna get lunched!

[Dar]

Check my WIP Olly, theres a beter way to fit the front polys, theres also a part number and supplier for the rubber you need too.

Hes been told;) and actually has the rubber already. Can you remember the exact ammount to cut off? Or even better the height the window needs to be?

[Lee]

Hes been told;) and actually has the rubber already. Can you remember the exact ammount to cut off? Or even better the height the window needs to be?

Erm... no LOL

[chrisnovaturbo]

lovin the track slag. lol

[trackdaynova]

Right then, with my semi successfulish trackday out the way (see report here: http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89979, vids on page 4)

On with the matter in hand, with one more thing to do now, before its next outting on the 27th December, yup- 2 weeks time lol Clutch needs to be done

Got my new manifold from the chap I bought the TB's from
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0465.jpg

Took it straight around to Wilcox Competition Engines to have servo return drilled and tapped into it, and 2x 1/8th holes drilled in diagonally to create airways between cylinders 2 and 3 to prevent pulsating
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0467.jpg

Building bodies onto manifold
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0468.jpg

TPS added
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0469.jpg

All on, with 90mm trumpets, still awaiting backing plate and filter
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0470.jpg

Top side (using current injectors, so they're not on yet, as i'll swap them over)
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0471.jpg

Gave them a blasting with brake cleaner, all cleaned up now
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0473.jpg

[trackdaynova]

Got this rather expensive Jenvey throttle linkage in with the sale so thought it'd be best to make use of it, took ages to build up - bloody fiddly thing!
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0472.jpg

Ordered my underslung linkage mount too, so the throttle linkage won't be seen at all, just the way I like it
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0474.jpg

My synchrometer arrived ready for installation
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0475.jpg

[Adam]

Nice.
Are the bodies going be on for the 27th?

[trackdaynova]

hell yeah... Bodies, Management, ARPs, Seats, Acewell dash and Clutch... (hopefully) lol

[Adam]

Lmao, thats quite a list lol

Its going be awesome with the bodies on. :cool:

[scott.parker]

Ol the underslung linkages are a **** to put together, lol so many small bits. and the bracket had me miffed for a bit, i recon although its alot for what it is its worth it.

All looking good mate.

Scott

[peester]

looks great olly - whats on the 27th?? december or jan?

[trackdaynova]

27th December mate, noisy day at Donington (no noise restrictions lol)

Good job really, as the marshall said I was very close to the 98dB noise limit on Saturday, but he said it wasn't induction or exhaust noise, he described it as a "high pitched squeel" on the meter readings, I just smurked lol

[Mazz]

Jesus Olly, you don't hang around do you!

[Adam]

Fooking hell, if it was 98DB on Saturday, then its going fly over that limit with the bodies on,Lol.

Lol @ high pitched squeel lol

[trackdaynova]

Just been out on the car for 20mins, but its too blooooody cold, so come back in again, very little progress but hey ho...

Wired in Acewell Bike Dash... after receiving electronic speedo sensor today

The dash in question
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0476.jpg

Ignition on
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0477.jpg

Left Indicator light
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0478.jpg

Right Indicator light
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0479.jpg

Hazards (altho will get actual "hazard light" wired in when i put them in properly)
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0480.jpg

Full Beam light
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0481.jpg

Engine ticking over
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0482.jpg

Bruuuuuuuuum
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0483.jpg


Just oil light to sort now, and I was going to use the neutral ("N") light, as my ECU light, but I won't have one on the MBE management, so might have that as handbrake.

Already ordered 3 seperate gauges, oil pressure, water temp and voltage, with a carbon dash pod

Think I'm going to mount it in a carbon surrounding that'll fill the gap nicely

[Mazz]

I wish i had your motivation :(

[Iain]

That dash is mega cool!

[scott.parker]

Look smart Ol, what do the two buttons do?

[Adam]

That dash is mega cool!
What he said/\

[trackdaynova]

Cheers Scott, the buttons circulate information:

Bar Tacho
Digital Tacho
Current Speed
Top Speed
Average Speed
Shift Light
Trip Meter
Clock
Odometer
Ride Timer
Total Ride Timer

[scott.parker]

Cheers Scott, the buttons circulate information:

Bar Tacho
Digital Tacho
Current Speed
Top Speed
Average Speed
Shift Light
Trip Meter
Clock
Odometer
Ride Timer
Total Ride Timer

POSH ****! lol

[novashed]

indeed very flash, i know mate i need a goal! february bedford??? what date you got for that?

[trackdaynova]

Bedford Autodrome - GT Circuit - Saturday 9th February 2008
Open Pit - All Day - ?139

59 places remaining

and by god, if it's not done for that, I'll will come down in the 4x4 and tow it there myself - wheels or no wheels on! lol lol lol

[scott.parker]

Ohh you got a link for that cuircit olly?

[trackdaynova]

Yep, it's booked through EasyTrack (http://www.easytrack.co.uk/homepage.asp)

Trackdays available here: http://www.easytrack.co.uk/events/allevents.asp?type=ALL&page_id=0

List of attendees here, looks like a BMW day lol upset many M3s i hope
http://www.easytrack.co.uk/events/view.asp?event_id=500&type=VIEW

I'm going along with the guy above me, Alpina in his Cossie

Ohhh, just seen a Ferrari will be out too :)

[OllyTB]

Good work Olly, Dash looks great!
Give me a shout if you need a hand with anything!

[Jonlem]

Good work mate.

Just make sure your car is within sound limits if you go to Bedford, their seriously strict.

As you know its the reason Ad and I wont be going :(

[Jonlem]

Thats the killer mate, 87db is pathetic, we'll have to get a sound meter and do some testing really, then maybe i can be tempted to come to Bedford lol

[nova---chris]

Dash looks neat olly. Good work. Wasnt a bugger to fit then i see!
Quality little item tbh . Much better option than spending ????!

Top work mate keep it up!

[elgan]

how will you pick up a pulse for the speedo?

[Martin]

i love this car, one of my fav track novas, real insperation

[peester]

^ lol, like a push bike computer then..

[scott.parker]

^ lol, like a push bike computer then..

just about to say that!

Got any at work mate that have good night illumination? lol

[peester]

dunno..:confused: dont work on the bike bit :p

[trackdaynova]

Scott, why is your sig so deep? lol got shed loads of empty spaces under "Old Silk Violet GSi" lol

[scott.parker]

Fook knows! lol

[Martin]

Scott, why is your sig so deep? lol got shed loads of empty spaces under "Old Silk Violet GSi" lol

yours is the same

[trackdaynova]

Nah - thats my info on the left making it so deep, highlight Scotts sig and you'll see what I mean lol

[scott.parker]

Nah - thats my info on the left making it so deep, highlight Scotts sig and you'll see what I mean lol

Ner Nerr Ner Nerr Ner! my sigs bigger then yours! lol

but Chris T's is big too!

[Martin]

ahh i see scott you gay.. :p

[Pillar]

lovely motor mate and very quick progress keep it up

[trackdaynova]

On with the fitting throttlebodies...

Last pic of standard inlet/ loomed engine
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0484.jpg

All inlet/ airfilter/ loom/ injectors removed
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0485.jpg

Injectors on new rail
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0486.jpg

My reasoning for using blues over creams, four holes similar to let yellows, as opposed to single hole on creams
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0487.jpg

Back of empty head, new gasket
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0488.jpg

Throttle linkage put on the bodies
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0489.jpg

Bodies on... ish
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0490.jpg

linkage bracket fouls on the alternator, which doesn't allow inlet to sit against head so gotta think of a new way of mounting it - strange?!
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0491.jpg



Came in after that, due to loads of faffing, will sort it out - remove rest of old loom, install new loom and ecu - and get her ticking over tomorrow with any luck :)

[MK1-GTE]

that im sure will sound crazy .....
great read this thread cheers ....:)

[scott.parker]

YEAH BABY! lol

[trackdaynova]

I hate the black paint around my heater matrix, looks sooooo crap, just not sure what to do with it

The only thing I can think of, is paint the "hole" bit black, behind where the firewall should be

[MK1-GTE]

I hate the black paint around my heater matrix, looks sooooo crap, just not sure what to do with it

The only thing I can think of, is paint the "hole" bit black, behind where the firewall should be

i personally would say it would look better if the matrix was moved and area sprayed to match the bay ??

bet thats not that simple and im gonna get shouted at now ....lol

[novashed]

can you not lower the alt, as in T40 application on small blocks?

[elgan]

olly, i was just thinkin, with respect to people fitting electronic speedo f28 boxes into astras etc, could the speedo switch you've got give a reading on the electronic calibra clocks. but i guess you need the speedo unit you've got to calibrate it all.

[trackdaynova]

Went down to Mardi Gras Motorsport today to buy new clutch, they had it in stock on the shelf which was handy - fantastic service too

Helix boxes & part numbers should anyone else need them
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0492.jpg

Helix Sprung 4 Paddle Friction Plate, Helix Uprated Heavy Duty Pressure Plate & CRB
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0493.jpg


Another thing to fit before 27th lol

[novashed]

being sprung that clutch should be less harsh than a fixed plate?

[elgan]

olly, ive got a spare genuine monterey vent in the workshop.

[scott.parker]

Good lad i love my paddle cluch, i cant see why some jockys cant get use to them! lol

[novashed]

olly, ive got a spare genuine monterey vent in the workshop.

bugger i want one!!!:cry:

[Adam]

Id lend a hand, but you're not exactly local to me :(

[Welsh Dan]

Where do you live?

[Jonlem]

Near Leicester ;)

If I didn't have 2 cars to get ready and a engine to build for the trackday on the 27th then I would be there mate !

Keep at it though as you can get it done, get that loom on rallyusedparts ;)

[trackdaynova]

right then, onwards and upwards :)

today even more weight saving, but mainly due to me wanting fixed side mounted seats, old mod - but new to me, removed the standard set mounts/ runners
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0494.jpg

yay, another 1.9kgs lost
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0495.jpg

all cut out, all the way across
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0496.jpg

neatened up, ground down, all smooth, and vacuumed out
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0497.jpg

standard runner top lobbed off
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0498.jpg


tomorrow is case of making some bare metal, and welding in seat bars

[nova ian]

Not done that little job yet!!lol :p

Good work Olly, and you can't complain at a bit of weight saving.

Cheers Dude:thumb:

[Adam]

Nice.
Cant beat a bit of weight saving

[Paul]

Iv just being doing the same thing with seat rails, suprised you havent done the internal shifter mod?

[trackdaynova]

What are the actual benefits of doing that? I know its a common thing to do, but I have no qualms with my current setup lol

Unless its for more accurate gearchanges, in which case I might do it, wouldn't want to be crunching my box now lol

[Lee]

The only real benefit is it frees up the bottom of the car for a straighter exhaust setup. it is marginally less sloppy than a nova setup, but not by much lol

[trackdaynova]

i'll only do it then, if my noise is a problem on track, and I have to change it for a 3 box system :) rather than just 2 boxes

[Lee]

yep, that what im bolting on for next season. I was everso close to the max last year lol

[scott.parker]

Nice one Ol, your lucky yours was not spot welded in! lol

Saying that though Lee (Dar's Bro) had a Plasma cutter, also don't forget that the side of the passengers one hold the handbrake in place, so don't chop that out completely!:D

And another thing, when putting in the bars,if there solid box section this wont matter,but if there "L" shaped make sure to weld them in so that the small parts of the "L" shape are facing inward,makes it easy to get under to bolt the seat mounts down.

EG, here's a rough sketch.

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/3283/carrailscopyvg0.jpg

Hope this helps

Scott

[Lee]

Thats a good tip from Scotty there lol

[trackdaynova]

Nice one chap, altho they were spot welded, I just didnt have a spot weld drill, so used the grinder lol

I'm using 1" x 1" box section, and going right across from sill, to exhaust tunnel.

Should I be ok just welding in the 4x bars? or should I plate either the sill or tunnel first?

Lee - I think I'm going to have to replace my whole system to add another box won't i? I'm currently using a 2.25" bore Ashley system... any gen?

Cheers, Olly

[Lee]

Lee - I think I'm going to have to replace my whole system to add another box won't i? I'm currently using a 2.25" bore Ashley system... any gen?

Cheers, Olly

Not necce-celery, it depends how much room there is on any straight sections of pipe you have under there. Best bet is to take it to a custom exhaust specialist.

But TBH i wouldnt worry too much, you shouldnt be any louder exhaust wise with the bodies on a static test than you are now, its your drive by noise that may be an issue at donny, I know Dar had a few run ins with the noise police there.

[fearless]

I'm using 1" x 1" box section, and going right across from sill, to exhaust tunnel.

Should I be ok just welding in the 4x bars? or should I plate either the sill or tunnel first?




I used 1 inch box section - recommend welding a plate either side of each rail - like so

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/seatrails.jpg



Dave

[trackdaynova]

Excellent Dave, any particular reason for doing so?

I was just going to go straight through the top and the bottom of the box section for added strength?

Cheers for the heads up to, seems like it's going to be a pain to get them level, straight, and correct when doing it on my own lol



Editted - sorry re read about the "plates" I get ya now, nice one! (i thought you meant the T pieces) definately sturdies it up about by the looks of things

[fearless]

The reason for the t pieces is that unless you weld tubes into the box section where the holes are - there is a possibility the the box section can collapse when you put a bolt right through and then tighten it up

Does that make sense ??

Hense the reason for the brackets (+ I welded the box section in before my seat mounts came and non of the holes on the side mounts lined up with the 2 rails I'd welded in !!!)


Dave

[trackdaynova]

I get ya now, I see the risk of it collapsing, which is why I went for 1x1 box section

I'll see how it goes, and how I feel about it when I'm finally getting them in! lol

The temperatues outside don't see me doing much at the moment :(

[trackdaynova]

Thanks to Dar (again, broken record lol) for sorting a MBE loom out for me, the one I was sold was for a RWD car

First thing, fitted that
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0499.jpg

Anyone know how to tell which which plug is which pot on an SBD coilpack? there are no markings on it whatsoever
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0500.jpg

Throttlepot plugs are different to each other - are these interchangeable items?
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0501.jpg

As is lambda, again - can I change them?
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0502.jpg

For some reason, having difficulties still, connecting the laptop to the ECU
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0503.jpg

Using a USB-Serial lead straight into the COMMs port on the loom to the laptop, but just doesn't want to know...... ?
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0504.jpg


Any suggestions on any of the above? lol

Thanks in advance

Olly

[Lee]

I take it you have loaded the drivers for the serial adaptor? If not then it probably doesnt know what the feck is going on lol

[Adam]

Do you have any other serial devices to make sure the ports actually working?

[Mike]

I used 1 inch box section - recommend welding a plate either side of each rail - like so

Exactly how i fit out rally cars with side mounts, 1x1 box section with little steel tabs welded to them ;) or you can just drill straight throught the box section and mount them like that ;)

[Welsh Dan]

Some software wont work with a usb-serial adapter. See if you can borrow an older laptop with a proper serial port, or cart a PC into the garage to rule that out.

[trackdaynova]

Lee - do you have a SBD coilpack? can you tell me which plug is which pot, if possible, can do it by the electrical plug, going clockwise or something

[scott.parker]

Lee - do you have a SBD coilpack? can you tell me which plug is which pot, if possible, can do it by the electrical plug, going clockwise or something

Ol im sure mine has them numbered up, very small inprinted numbers by each pot.

Ill look through my pics, but no promises.

Scott

[scott.parker]

Balls i cant find anything worth looking at to help you mate..grr

Go on MSN and have a look at what i can find,see if there any use.

[Mike]

LOTNSRs - Going to see how I feel, when I bolt them up - if I feel that its not adequate, I'll do the tabs etc

Good plan, although i suppose it relates more to personal preference, but they should be more then adequate if bolted through the box section (adeqaute from a occupant safety point of view)

[JSeymour]

very neatly done, cool car and wip thread!

[Dar]

Oli - Please don't tell me you just put the loom in there and that you wired it up and powered it up first to make sure there are at least no dead shorts:eek:

If you haven't wired up the interface plug yet then take off your MBE system!

Now thats out of the way you can forget about the lambda sensor since your ECU will not be taking advantage of it. Find the SBD Taper Throttle Bodies installation instructions and go to page 6 for a diagram of the coil pack. It will show and tell you all you need to know.

For information on what interfece wires do what go to page 15. But here it is below.



Connection of interface wires: -
Pin 1 Purple or Red Switched +12v (Ignition)
Pin 2 Orange +12v out to fuel pump
Pin 3 Green Taco signal

967E only: -
Pin 4 Blue/White or White Gear change light
Connect either way as described in step ? 20.


You should really strip off the casing on that loom and make sure that the wires are still ok and that the insulation is intact before plugging in your MBE system.

Once you are happy that its all ok, you need to give the loom power (I would also fuse the +ve side of the loom). Then turn on the ignition with Easymap 5.5 loaded and your laptop connected to the loom. If all is well you should hear a little ping from the laptop and you will be connected.

[Jonlem]

You will find that sometimes the data speed needs adjustment on the laptop although I only have this problem with the innovate wideband not Easimap.

Go off pin numbers too not the colour of the wires as there have been changes in certain plug adaptors as I found out lol

[Dar]

He will be ok the interface he needs to wire up consists of just four (known to be correct)wires and not the actuall ECU plug.

[Jonlem]

Gotcha, SBD supplied me a new harness for the ign, fuel pump, rev and typically the pin outs were totally different to what the manual said lol

[Dar]

lolThat was nice of them:roll:
If you need any MBE loom's making or loom bits, I know the guy who builds them for SBD, so you can cut out the middle man:thumb:

[Jonlem]

I know ! they sent me 3 wiring diagrams too which were as helpful as a chocolate teapot lol

I use Car Looms UK for my looms but thanks for the heads up :)

[trackdaynova]

On a side note, Bob got the pictures over to me that he took at the last Donny trackday... not many as it was raining so hard his equipment was getting soaked, but here are a couple of gooduns

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0505.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0506.jpg

[Dar]

Yes Dar, thats exactly what I did
:thumb: Good stuff:D

[trackdaynova]

no no no... errr lol


Oli - Please don't tell me you just put the loom in there and that you wired it up and powered it up first to make sure there are at least no dead shorts:eek:

Yes Dar, thats exactly what I did


I read your statement wrong... I didn't power it up first........... I just plugged it in, connected all the plugs that connected, and then tried.

It cranked over OK though, does that prove anything?

Obviously didn't start, as I'd switched fuel pumps off, HT leads were off, and TPS was off

[trackdaynova]

On with bits to be done, throttlebodies pretty much sorted now

HT leads connected to coilpack, and mounted, trumpets are on
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0507.jpg


Fuel lines in place, with FPR on return line in between rail and swirl pot, Fuel pumps now on standalone fused switches
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0508.jpg

Used original battery thread to mount home made FPR bracket, nice and sturdy
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0509.jpg

On with the seatbar fitting, cut some plates to weld in prior to bars
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0510.jpg

Welded 4x little plates in... first one was a bit on the big side lol
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0511.jpg

Spirit level tells me what I want to hear, both side to side, and front to back
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0512.jpg

Almost in, just need to drill the bars now, and find some nuts & bolts
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0513.jpg

[Adam]

Cool.
Those trumpets poking out the bay look awesome :D

[Ash]

Just use socks over the trumpets, filter socks, not real ones lol

very tidy car your building here :thumb:

[burgo]

ive always loved those seats, sooo jealous

[Adam]

Or just run filterless.
Fine for track use(if it'll pass noise regs)

Just dont do any off roading lol

[Ste L]

very very nice...

just get's better and better :cool:



seat's are awsome too

[peester]

meh.. go away.. moms gonna hate my christmas wish list..
Top trump mods there dude..
heavy hit after heavy hit after..

[ace-media]

Well i've just read through all 42 pages and wow....hell of a car this is shaping up to be! Looked to be a bloody minter of a base :D
Nice to see you doing a Nova again Olly, Ragga was such a brilliant car for so many reasons!

I'm hoping to come up to Donny on the 27th with a few of 'my lot' for spectating purposes so will make sure I come and show my face!

(This is AL by the way ;))

[Jonlem]

Looking good mate :)

FYI Filter socks are possibly the worst thing to use, unless your trying to restrict the power that is !

Run it WITH a filter unless you want to risk your engine.

People don't drive round in normal cars with no air filters so why would running a set of tb's without one be any safer lol

[fearless]

Input shaft is fixed I'm afraid - looks like it's box out again !!!!


Dave

[elgan]

make sure you get the distance you need between the top of the trumpets to the inside of the filter

[trackdaynova]

Elgan - have a 125mm (deep) filter coming, so that's cool, had a 100mm one that I sold on, you need 30mm clearence iirc is recommended.

Dave - no worries, thought as much, altho i know a chap with a Quaife SC gear set in his F20, and input shaft is removable as its an OE item, so I guess I was hoping lol

[fearless]

altho i know a chap with a Quaife SC gear set in his F20, and input shaft is removable as its an OE item, so I guess I was hoping lol


I might be getting confused with a Dog Box Gear kit -I KNOW they are gear train out !! - might be worth taking the end plate off and having a look - just to save yourself 3.5 hours :) - Although It would be easier just to pull the Gear train out and then slide the clutch out through the inspection hole, and then refit the gear train !!! Should only take about an hour !!!


Dave

[trackdaynova]

We'll whip off the end plate to start with then...

So even if its not removable shaft, you still reckon its easier to slide the hole lot out, rather than box off jobbie?

If so, please do tell :)

[fearless]

Much easier if your doing in on the floor at home - no need to remove driveshafts / wrestle with the box etc

Turret off (4 bolts), reverse switch out, unbolt gear train - don't even have to unbolt the end cover - and remove gear train

It you were forward thinking when you did your conversion, you may have modified the n/s chassis leg to allow the gear train to slide out without catching the bottom lip of the leg - although you probably haven't done this so may have to drop the n/s gearbox mount to get clearance

With the geartrain out - the cluch can be removed in the usual manner

Just means you will have to catch the gearbox oil in a tub to reuse and may want to buy a new gearbox gasket






Dave

[burgo]

i have done one with that method before and it is very easy

[trackdaynova]

Sounds good to me! Sounds reletively easy to do... I'll let you know how I got on

Great progress today, OllyTB came over to give me hand with clutch change/ gearbox off, but decided not to do it as it was too cold lol

Instead we got the throttlebodies sorted, loom stripped back, fault finded, and sorted, throttle linkage built up and fitted (thanks to Olly, as I'd given up on it), and it runs! what a noise i've missed...

Also the ECU started talking to the computer, which is good news

No pics tho - Turner wouldn't allow a camera anywhere near the car lol

[OllyTB]

I had every intention of doing the box in what was described as " a heated garage" the only heat source was the bloody inspection lamp!
Anyways, the throttle linkage is now fitted and works perfectly, much better than the SBD bodge, improvised throttle pot connection to get it running and the regulator patched up until some bits arrive. We essentailly manged to prove it all works and runs just needs tidying up now. It was just lots and lots of little things that needed sorting.
As for the clutch i'll come back and do that when there's an inferno of a heat source and a skantily clad wench to serve both drinks and errrr anyway, you get the picture!
Godd day all round!

[Lee]

I think there is every possibility that you are both a pair of pansies lol

Glad that loom worked though, myself and dar were worried you were going to toast your ECU by rushing it!

[Jonlem]

As for the clutch i'll come back and do that when there's an inferno of a heat source and a skantily clad wench to serve both drinks and errrr anyway, you get the picture!


lol lol lol lol lol lol

[Jonlem]

I think of you like a wench when I'm in bed mate

[vaughanmc]

Any chance in a video once the TB's are on? :)

[Adam]

Hows it going?, be ready for 27th?

[trackdaynova]

Still going for the 27th, however looks unlikely that'll have it ready for on the track.

Received a few bits that I've been waiting for - just need to do drivers rail and clutch before the day really, TBs are up and running, however not set up yet.

Got 3x new gauges, 306 hatch wiper arm, 60mm steering wheel spacer & snap off boss all ready to go on too

[Iain]

Sounds good, where'd you get the snap off boss from?

[trackdaynova]

shock horror - update on the nova lol not touched it in 10 days - longest since i started the project back in february i think

not a great deal, but its the fiddly bits that take the time, drivers seat bars now in and drilled, took a bit of time getting the straight level and parallel on my tod, but got there in the end, mounted the passenger lower down and further back
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0514.jpg

dry mounted the subframes to check holes - spot on
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0515.jpg

both of them in
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0516.jpg

the "ears" clear the windows by about 5mm either side, which is good, and they wouldn't overlap in the middle, should I want them side by side
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0517.jpg

can see here the staggered seating
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0518.jpg

made a servo vacuum to inlet manifold pipe, with the one way valve, and opted for the red plug cover again
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0519.jpg


Tomorrows task is to remove seats again, respray interior, and remove box for clutch replacement :)

[Martin]

wow good work..

why the "staggerd" seats tho?


Martin

[trackdaynova]

With the seats being so big, with the ears etc, I wanted a dead clear view of the passenger side wing mirror for one. Also, with it still being road legal, it helps at junctions that I can look across out the passenger window without a problem.

I could have them side by side, as the side mounts do have 7" adjustment on them from front to back.

I've mounted the drivers seat more centrally to the car, and pointing "in" a little, so now I'm directly behind the pedals and the wheel, rather than the standard seating position

[Dar]

Also putting the passenger as far back as possible helps put a bit more weight rearwards.

Nice seats :)

[Martin]

i see now, sounds simple enough, but if you dont ask you'l never find out

[trackdaynova]

update tonight, removed the bastid stud that was by the alternator by welding the nut to the top of the stud and then removing it like a bolt, also managed to fit the standard inlet manifold water temp probe into the throttlebody inlet.

also tried to get it running after that but it was causing us a head ache to try and keep the TPS voltage to 0.37v, and the site map at 0, as this wouldn't idle, we had to crank up the idle voltage to 0.55v to keep it idling at around 1000rpm, which wasn't ideal - because that made the ign site map @ 2

come to the conclusion that it might be down to the fact that I am using late XE blue injectors, and not creams, so I wil swap them over tomorrow and try again.

[Lee]

You are using the map Dar gave you arnt you?

Apart from that i cant help as theyre useless SBD bodies, not proper QED ones :)

[Jonlem]

Both made by Jenvey ! lol

Were using Dars map on both cars at the mo so we know its not that.

I'll be over in the nova in the morning mate, get that kettle on !

[Lee]

Just to rub salt in the wound a bolted my bodies to chris's engine and once id put a set of decent plugs in it it purred like a kitten lol

no pansie tps voltage crap to deal with lol

[Dar]

I've had QED DTH TBs before don't forget lol
And yes, they are for simple people lol
Perfect for Lee then:thumb:

[Jonlem]

Best results I've personally known someone to have were on the crappy old dcoe looking Jenveys so I've got nothing against any of them.

I'll bring my laptop tomorrow and try and find that proper map for when we do get it running, I wont be putting it on Ads as I think that engine is poorly enough lol

[trackdaynova]

she runs fandiddlytastic! absolutely puuurrrrrrfect lol

big thanks to JB, found there was a problem with my ECU that JB managed to fix, regardless of having an identical map as Dar, and the same on JBs, mine wansn't playing ball...

put my ECU in JBs car, and it acted the same as mine - so must have been a firmware change or glitch, but all sorted now on SBD base map...

Dar - what ECU do you have? mine is 967ED, JB's is 967EF... just curious...

anyway, she starts and ticks over sweet now, revs up very easily and freely...

Now all thats needed, is clutch change... then purchase of cams, big manifold, and finally a mapping session :)

Thanks again Jonboy!

[Adam]

Cool :)

[ANDYRACER]

Good stuff Oli, should be a monster when back on the track. :cool:

[Jonlem]

No problem mate, glad we got it sorted in the end !

Hopefully the breather mod to the red novas engine will help it survive a little longer LOL Thanks again for the rapid recovery lol

I think if I did prove anything today its how far you can go on a swirl pots worth of fuel ! after the wire came off the switch for the facet I must of done a easy 30 miles with it only running on the injection pump and full swirl pot, now thats economy !

Thanks for the bacon sarni's and countless cups of tea ! Nice one Shell !

Dar, I've got a map I'll dig out for you to use, try it and you can make your own mind up wether the base map will do ;) pukka loom you sold Olly too :)

[Dar]

Cool, glad you went to help Olly out. Sounds like its running great now:thumb:
I will deffo have that map off of you to try:D
Mines a 967EF

[Jonlem]

Its definately a lot better, once it has a clutch he'll have to see how it goes on the road but it should be fine, sadly no good maps we have seem to want to let his car run without huge problems so he's stuck on something I found already on the ecu, IMO it needs a proper mapping session so I advised he does a few minor tweeks first to make the mapping worthwhile ;)

Your map worked on Ads ecu so the map I've got should work fine on yours, I've got a few issues with tehe stock engine in Ads at the moment so more power is something it does not need lol The map was for a stock xe running creams and a btb manifold, it made 183hp so I guarantee you will see a lot of improvement on what you have been using.

Happy New Year !

[Martin]

nice one glads its runing.. be good to see this nova next year

[trackdaynova]

tonights update -

> sold my fancy Acewell dash on, in favour of standard clocks again, as it was too much hassle for hardly any gain

> ordered some Kent AST1612 cams from Chris Astley, should help me towards 200bhp once it's fully mapped up

> ordered big overbore Ashley grpA manifold from Ashley Competition, which also should help with a bit of free breathing

> ordered Genuine Vauxhall GM cambelt kit from AutoVaux along with 8v baffle plate with incorporated sump gasket

> wired in standard clocks

> half removed gearbox in preperation for clutch swap, but struggled on me tod



got some pics... but nothing of interest, but feel free to ask away any questions regardless :)

[ben21]

Sounds sweet young Oliver, be good to see/hear at a track soon :)

[trackdaynova]

No update, but some pics nonetheless.

Firstly - fantastic service from Marc @ AutoVaux once again, orderd my cambelt kit and cam seals yesterday at around 3:30pm, and I was woken up by a knock at the door at 07:30am this morning to an ANC delivery man, asking me to sign for my parts! Brilliant! Better still - all the parts are genuine GM which I wasn't expecting
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0522.jpg

Along with my 8v baffle tray with sump gasket already bonded on, makes life much easier to do the ARPs now lol ?18.56 bargain
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0521.jpg

Also, as I plan to go on a mission to remove all unnecessary metal, I thought it was best that I invest in some heavy duty spot weld drill bits, so I don't have to grind much any more, as I hate it
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0520.jpg

On with the clutch removal, first off was to remove the end plate to see if the input shaft was removable...
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0523.jpg

NOPE! lol doh

However I called Quiafe who were mega helpful, and they crossed referenced the part numbers I found on 5th gear so they could tell me all my ratios
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0524.jpg

It looks like the titanic! and this is where I'm up to at the moment
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0525.jpg


Big thanks to Quaife, I can now produce/ finish my transmission spec accurately...

Transmission:
-Quaife Close Ratio Straight Cut F20 gearbox

Final Drive Ratio 3.764
...1st Gear - 2.54 ~ 55mph
...2nd Gear - 1.76 ~ 79mph
...3rd Gear - 1.42 ~ 99mph
...4th Gear - 1.19 ~ 117mph
...5th Gear - 1.040 ~ 134mph

(Speeds calculated on my 195/50/15 Toyo 888 tyres, and my new rev limit of 7750rpm)

[Adam]

Nice.
Box off job then.

Thats a bloody long 1st gear,Lol.

[Paul]

55mph in first gear! fookin hell

[Lee]

Long first is the best way. You never use it lol

Good skills Olivia, keep it up!

[ashtal]

Is there any advantage of using the 8v baffel ? I got to do a sump gasget on my xe and i know the 2 gasgets are a right pain.

[trackdaynova]

the advantage is the fact the sump gasket is already bonded to it, and its a reusable item lol well worth it imo

[ashtal]

the advantage is the fact the sump gasket is already bonded to it, and its a reusable item lol well worth it imo

Do you have a part number !?! is it a strait fit ?

[Jonlem]

Good work Olly

Ash- Straight fit, just requires 8v sump bolts

[Rick Draper]

Looking good. Where did you get the spot weld drills from? I need to do a bit of drilling of spot welds on my car.

[burgo]

the ones i used to rob from the bodyshop i worked in cost ?7 each!!!! so 10 for ?20 sounds good to me

[burgo]

Yeah, as said - wasn't sure if quality was a problem, as I won't be doing that much, I thought I could afford to snap/ bend a couple :)you wont snap or bent them as they are to hard. the difference in quality of spot weld drill bits is basically how quick they go blunt. p.s. you you want the drill going fairly slow and put alot of weight on it for best results

[Adam Moran]

Excellent stuff Olly...

The question is how long till JB gets another nova for trackdays lol

[General Baxter]

you wont snap or bent them as they are to hard. the difference in quality of spot weld drill bits is basically how quick they go blunt. p.s. you you want the drill going fairly slow and put alot of weight on it for best results

+ dont let me sharpen one, it will turn into a drill bit and not work lol

[Jonlem]

Try using normal length 16v bolts then mate ;)

Be ready with some tissue or cat litter for when you run it up lol

[Jonlem]

Taken from max-boost website :

use the baffle plate from the 8v part # 90528632. It comes complete with rubber gaskets (proper ones) attached from the factory. Dead easy to fit, no leaks afterwards. The 8v sump bolts (Vaux # 90531211) are M6x13 instead of M6x22 of the 16v sump. These are a bit on the short side. It's best to use M6x20, or at least use the longer 16V bolts with a 2mm spacer to make up the difference.

[Dar]

I used a washer and spring washer on the bolts when I used that baffle plate. Keep up the good work Olly:thumb:

[ashtal]

Think i will order one tomorrow. Prob just put a 2mm washer on the 16v bolts !

[trackdaynova]

w0000t, great service from Chris Astley, ordered some of these babies yesterday, and again - great delivery this morning!

Great seller - well recommended!

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0526.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0527.jpg

[Jonlem]

Nice one mate, I look forward to having a go in the car around Bedford :)

[Ste L]

i'll have to get to a trackday event somethime this year, so i can have a passenger ride :)

[trackdaynova]

big thanks to Paul who gave me a hand today...

box off, you can see the scars from where the clutch let go - ouchie
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0528.jpg

ding ding ding - pressure plate took a whack too
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0529.jpg

looking normal on this part
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0530.jpg

uh ho...
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0531.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0532.jpg

springs fell out in my hand, so i'm glad they didn't go whilst spinning around at Xrpm

went to replace TRB to find it very worn...
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0534.jpg

new on added, with copper slip on input shaft (slighty more was added than shown... JB) ;) lol
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0537.jpg

[trackdaynova]

helix goodness 4 paddle with 6 springs
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0535.jpg

offered up, that'll do
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0536.jpg

helix uprated heavy duty pressure plate
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0538.jpg

all bolts up, lined up by eye - gearbox went on first time lol
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0539.jpg


All done and it feels great!

[burgo]

i love how much enthusiasm you. if i had have as much mine would be done by now lol.

[trackdaynova]

my motivation is trackdays again, the fact I have a trackday booked 5 weeks tomorrow!

Bedford Open Pit All Day on Saturday 9th February :)

List of things to do before then:
> buy new lifters
> fit new cams
> run cams in
> buy new manifold & exhaust
> fit new manifold & exhaust
> get it mapped

lol

[burgo]

you getting it mapped at northants motorsport again??

[Adam]

Good to see it was only the clutch shagged :)

[trackdaynova]

hell no, definately not - not after the c0ck up they made with my white nova.

will either be Noble again (who made a cracking job) who are 1 hour away, or Track & Road, which is reknown to be the DB's, but its a 3 hour drive away in Rainham, Essex! :(

[Jonlem]

PMSL at copper slip comment ;)

FYI use a 1/2 inch extension bar to allign clutches, or a old input shaft from a fooked gearbox (something I strangely have a few of no thanks to someones engine LOL)

Not sure I'd bother with new lifters tbh, yours are hardly noisy and the cams don't needthem.

Save your money for mapping :)

[Lee]

Oh dear, tempting the law of sod again are we lol

[trackdaynova]

JB - nice tip, I don't happen to have any spare input shafts, altho I will try and get hold of one lol i won't bother with lifters then, its just something that the Kent instructions said when I was reading up on them

Lee - WTF is the 'law of sod' lol ?

[Jonlem]

I know they do say in the destructions to use them but IMO I wouldn't bother.

1/2 extension bar works just as well mate as it sits through the clutch and into the crank.

[trackdaynova]

As you say - mine are quiet as a moooooooose anyway :)

Just need to get them in and new timing kit on, and then we're away :thumb:

[Jonlem]

Did you get any assembly lube with them ?




















The cams that is, not the mechano dildo kit LOL ;)

[Lee]

Lee - WTF is the 'law of sod' lol ?

Its the thing that makes stuff go wrong when one books trackdays before carrying out major surgery on ones engine lol

[OllyTB]

No mention of my helpful motivation for you today dude, looking good though!
P.S. I broke the ST on the way homing some Hinkly wide boy his ass!

[Stuart]

foook me, Mr TB.

still got that spangly MK1 GTE tuby?

oh and assuming its a mk 2 focus ST, may I suggest blagging a ST260 calibration ;)

[Stuart]

the ST500 would still benefit from the ST260 mods ;)

[Jonlem]

Just take the ST to Motorsport Developments ;)

[trackdaynova]

Now the seats are mounted, just need to spray the inside of my car - I decided to tidy up all the wiring and mount the ECU & COMMS plug easily accessible, can see them down by fuse box in the next 2 pics
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0540.jpg

Got a snap off boss with 60mm steering wheel spacer from ebay for ?28, bargain
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0541.jpg

Seats are now in, floor and bars need a coat of paint though
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0542.jpg

With clutch being done and it being on the roag again, first time its seen daylight since trackday on 7th December
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0545.jpg

Sold my manifold & exhaust today in favour of a larger bore system (2.5"), and race 4-1 manifold, my motto if more air is going in, more air needs to get out lol
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0543.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0544.jpg

Tomorrow will consist of spraying the inside, getting the harnesses back in, and doing a nut & bolt check again :)

Left to do - get exhaust fitted, cams fitted, timing done, ARPs fitted and mapping session :)

[Iain]

Can you still reach the light and wiper stalks with the new boss and spacer?

[Adam]

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0545.jpg
Cool pic/\ :cool:

Whos the new exhaust made by? Ashley? Custom jobbie?
Didn't think they did 2.5" systems.

[Jonlem]

Nice one mate :)

Have you tried putting that manifold on yet ? I do hope you don't have the problems I did with a design like that.

Looks superb though, next saturday still good ?

[vaughanmc]

Can't wait to see it with the inside all painted up etc - Going body colour or white?

Did you get the 6-dial clocks you were after as well ?

[Iain]

I figured the snap-off boss and the spacer (obviously) would push the wheel further and thus away from the stalks, just wondering if you could reach it from the wheel as you do in normal driving.

New exhaust looks good, glad to see you've got a black tailpipe design again.

[nova ian]

Looking good Olly, glad to see your making major progress still.

Nice work dude

Ian

[Lee]

Yup - bought some from Baxter in the end, cheers - altho I used my original perspex as for some reason his was scratched beyond belief lol

Knowing baxter, he used a grinder on them at some point lol

[Adam Moran]

Excellent update Ols!

Wish i had a garage at home :( :( :(

Ps Where did you pick your gearbox up from??

[Jonlem]

Balls ! Do you want something making to get round this problem then ?

Infact I'll call you ;)

[trackdaynova]

For some reason it didn't upload, but this is where I've mounted my ECU and Comms plug, easily accessible so I can take it with me should I leave the car anywhere untoward lol :)

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0546.jpg

[draper]

nice work :cool:

[Lee]

good skillz olz

Restecpa!

[trackdaynova]

lol not that good by all accounts

seems my manifold won't fit due to it fouling on the drivers tie bar mount lol buggerz!

hey ho - will remove the mount tomorrow, fit the manifold and take some pics to see whats needed to get it to fit...

This is how Ads/ JBs is, you can see how primary#1 crosses over to position #3 to get the clearance, and mine doesn't... however he said they're made for the Nova - so we'll see
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/simps2.jpg


Worst comes to worst, I'll have to get some of these babies made up lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/tiebar.jpg

[trackdaynova]

To explain better why they'll help, whipped this from Jonboy via Ad's WIP thread



In this pic you can see the problem:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/adex2.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/tiebar2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/rosejointbar.jpg

[Dar]

Nice progress:thumb:
Lets hope the fannymold problem doesn't hold you up much.

[Lee]

Hit the manifold with a big hammer.

Alternatively, just give the car to my mrs, and she'l bend your tiebar for you, like she did on my SR lol

[trackdaynova]

Right then, time for an update - was out there early doors seeing if this manifold it going to fit. good news. it does. but... I'll explain with pics.... how very unlike me!? lol

Had to remove the tie bar, to see just how much it wasn't going to fit by - as it wouldn't get past the tie bar bracket before it fell onto the studs

First up, upper left hand shoulder was too beefy and fouled on thermostat housing preventing it to fit flush against the head
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0547.jpg


Grinder - DONE
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0548.jpg


Once it was on, I wanted to see if the tie bar would even start to go on... suprised and good news that it did, so i loosely put the front bolt in, so i was sure it was in the correct place, left to right, and vertically
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0549.jpg


then dropped the bolts thru, and loosely put the nuts on, again, just to make sure everything was as it should be
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0550.jpg


along with bottom ball joint bolt, just put it through the hole
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0551.jpg


I was suprised that all the bolts went in reletavily easily, next up to prove it wasn't sagging at the head, causing the easyness, i put on a manifold bolt at the top, to hold it tight onto the head... mmmm big bores
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0556.jpg


right, now the slight problem, and need your advice, here are the pics of it fitted, and the next 4 pics of what I have in mind, and where it touches
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0552.jpg


misses the actual tiebar by about half inch
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0553.jpg


you can see where it touches here
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0554.jpg

[trackdaynova]

and the shape of things here
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0555.jpg


Here is my ideas, but would like opinions

The red it where it touches, but I think I can grind off the lip where the dotted green line is, think that'll solve that problem
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0557.jpg

Actual tiebar misses by about half inch, so I dont think thats an issue
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0558.jpg

The only way I can see it fitting is to cut the lip off the tie bar bracket, and grinding down the side of the washer, which I don't really want to do
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0559.jpg


However, you can see how primary no1, takes a different and wider route than 2/3/4 (and seems longer/ lower?!), so the other option is to take it back to John, and get him to make primary no1 closer to the others, so its more over to the passenger side
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0560.jpg



Would like peoples opinions if possible...

Couple questions:

> if the manifold clears the tie bar by half inch, is this enough? I'm thinking so, I'm on solid mounts so the engine hardly moves anyway, as when the engine is under load it tilts back (away) if anything, so it won't ever tip forward anymore...

> if they do modify it so its closer to 2/3/4, do you think that'll be enough to get the clearance I need, or am driving down a dead end?

> any ideas/ opinions/ suggestions are more than welcome - thanks

[ashtal]

Think you should take it back to get rebent, kinda looks like its in the wrong place anyway with the other 3 next to each other and all in line.

If not what about a tight bit of heat wrap to pull no1 into the other 3 pipes !?!

[ashtal]

Looking at your pics again that prob would sort the washer issue but you still would need to cut the bracket.

[trackdaynova]

Yeah I agree actually, and that would also pull it further away from the tie bar even moreso...

Even cutting the bracket isn't something I'm keen on, but I guess as long as I keep the bend in it, the strength will remain?

I mean, just shave some off, rather than remove the lip completely...

Any other suggestions you can think of?

[Adam Moran]

Its close that!

Not sure what your planning but when JB did mine it "almost" went but when its wrapped in heat wrap there was no chance.

Are you going to wrap it?

If so take it back to Ashley's and get it rebent/remade, im sure they will be able to do that.

As for cutting the tie bar, probably not a good idea incase it weakens it. If you have the funds get something like mine made ;)

[draper]

that pic of the scissors made me chuckle

[andybishop]

Would running lowered tiebar mounts on the front move it away from the manifold?? Or is there a reason your not already running these?

[Jonlem]

The protec tie bar mounts I think would make the problem worse, they are heavily braced, typically around the area where your having problems.

The setup we used won't help either as the main brackets are very similar to the pro tec ones.

The engine will move a lot more than you think, especially at that point too so grinding the bracket and washer down is really out of the question, is the manifold now tight against the head ?

These are Ads :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/DSC02544.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/DSC02543.jpg

I can't see them fitting at all :(

Take it back to John and get him to modify it, you need atleast 1/2 inch of clearance imo.

[Adam]

Indeed.
Even with slight clearence, the engine is obviously going to be moving about on the mounts when braking etc...

[Adam Moran]

Good luck with that one...

Just the bigger stuff to sort now but your well on your way :)

[trackdaynova]

Anyway, whilst I can't do anything about the exhaust, I removed the manifold again, and put all the tie bar setup back on, wheel back on and back on the floor...

Rolled it just out the garage to remove the seats, harnesses and subframes

What we started with
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0561.jpg

Decided to use some seam sealer to go over some edges that were left, and to make it look prettier
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0562.jpg

Primer first coat just so the paint grips
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0563.jpg

Done diddly
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0564.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0565.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0566.jpg


Now it sits in the garage drying... tomorrow I'll be putting the seats & harnesses back in for good (yeah right lol), putting fuel lines back correctly, and routing the battery live cable, and spray the rollcage feet black again.

In the mean time, I'll get onto Ashley tomorrow morning and see what they say :)


Thanks for reading all

[Welsh Dan]

Would those lowered rose jointed tie bar mounts that Chris is selling help?

[Ste L]

i agree with the above..

it may lower it, so there's enough clearance?

[Jonlem]

They won't make any difference, the bracing on them is larger than the standard units as shown in the picture I posted of Ads

[Dar]

You could always modify them. Isn't all the load on the two big bolts that hold it on. That little bolt that holds the braket in place is not exactly beefy.

My homebrew lowered mounts don't have alot to stength in that area and have never been a problem.

[Jonlem]

That "little" bolt is possibly the most important part of the mount, its also M10, same as the other 2 longer bolts.

Leave it loose or remove it and you'll snap your crossmember off, I found out the hard way after someone forgot to tighten the ones on my white nova.

I think the issue really is how much clearance you need, I do agree you could trim the mount but when the engine moves it will touch :(

[Ste L]

That "little" bolt is possibly the most important part of the mount, its also M10, same as the other 2 longer bolts.



how come corsa's dont have them, if they are very important, they only have the vertical bolt's :confused:

[Jonlem]

The corsa has 3 bolts, thus spreading the load, the bracket works in a totally different way to how the nova one does.

The problem is when the bolts are removed or left lose on the nova it allows the bracket to twist on the crossmember as the wheel pulls back on the tie bar, it will crush the crossmember a bit thus makign the 2 vertical bolts lose, for this reason I run 2 **** off plates on the top side of the crossmember where the bolts drop through, corsas run 3 captive nuts on the top side iirc

It took me 10 laps to tear the whole section of my crossmember off with one left lose.

The corsa is a far better engineered car from the factory as I'm sure you have noticed when working on one, a nova can easily be as good but a few simple things that are overlooked can wreck a good shell.

[Ste L]

yes use three, is a sort of triangle-ish layout...

i was just curious about the corsa's, as im used to nova's with one at the front, and didn't think the extra one though the top, would of made much diff.. as the front cross member's a weak point on corsa's too


good, to learn new stuff :)

[trackdaynova]

I've learnt a bit too... I will have to see what goes, I'm thinking that I will take that manifold back and I will buy the same one that I had on my white nova.

Standard 4-2-1 XE layout, but overbored by 0.5" at every stage, and get that mated up to my standard 2.25" system (its not 2.5" btw - measured it earlier today)

Could have done with not selling my old system quite so fast, as then it'd still be driveable lol hey ho

[ashtal]

Now that sounds like good service !

[clarke frazer]

omg some work will be mint wen finished wat coulour or youkeepin origanal coulour would be nice same coulour just freshend up

[Adam Moran]

Good news - spoke with John, and he's going to make me a custom 4-2-1, with 1.75" primaries, 2" secondaries and a manifold tail of 2.25" which'll sleeve over my new system.

A whole bunch of awesomeness - will be collecting it tomorrow with some luck!

Thats excellent mate.

Might well be ringing him myself for a new system :roll:

[Adam Moran]

That might be the way to go tbh, as the internal shifter is fooked anyway lol

New system and a box for the tb's should do it....... i hope!!

[trackdaynova]

Definately worth a try mate :)

Just been out to see how the paint dried, as when I took the pics yesterday it was still wet.

Looks OK - not as patchy as it looked when wet anyway :)

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0567.jpg

[Nick J]

The spec of this car just grows and grows... every time I read the thread theres something new you've been on with, nice work and excellent enthusiasm Olly! Nick.

[vaughanmc]

Interior looks mint all painted up, 10/10 for the enthusiasm going into this car

Hope she does you well in all the events in 2008 :)

Vaughan!

[trackdaynova]

Thanks chap! I hope so too...

Anyway, didn't get a chance to call John about the exhaust, so I cracked one with what else I need to do before Bedford.

Next up - ARP rod bolts, and fit better baffle, sump gasket combo! Thought it'd be ideal as manifold was off anyway.

First up - sump off, and was disgusting site
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0568.jpg

Very encrusted on cack
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0569.jpg

Quick clean up sees it right as rain
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0570.jpg

Oil pickup pipe didn't look too clever
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0571.jpg

Lots of cack caked on there too
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0572.jpg

Cleaned it up, cleared all the cack off it
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0573.jpg

Blasted with brake cleaner and all fresh again
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0574.jpg

Righto, on with the replacement of conrod bolts
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0575.jpg

Very happy with the minimal wear on all the big end bearings
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0576.jpg

Also on the crank, hardly any whatsoever
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0578.jpg

[trackdaynova]

Chamfered the caps as per ARP's destructions
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0577.jpg

annnnnnnnd they're in!
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0579.jpg

Used an M6 tap to clear out the previous silicone from the sump bolt holes, to prevent the bolts bottoming out, getting hard to wind in prematurely, lots came of each hole, so pleased I did it
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0581.jpg

As per JB / MaxBoost website, got some M6x20 bolts, and washers, I hate hex bolts so just allen capped instead
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0582.jpg

All done, new SEH baffle plate on along with pickup pipe
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0583.jpg

All done... another thing crossed off the list
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0584.jpg


Hope you enjoy reading!

[ashtal]

Will be putting the SEH baffle on mine soon as i got to do the sump gasget. How much is it to do the track day at bedford and what insurance do you need !?!

[trackdaynova]

I believe the trackday is now ?139, and will only go up in price the closer to the day you get, I paid ?89 iirc last November.

[peester]

la la la ..easy peesey

[ashtal]

I believe the trackday is now ?139, and will only go up in price the closer to the day you get, I paid ?89 iirc last November.

Is that ?89 just for a days insurance ?

[ashtal]

Oh i see. Dont know if thats a good thing or not !

[Dar]

You don't NEED insurance for a trackday and your standard car insurance will not cover you either. You can get a one day special trackday policy but I don't know how much they are and what they actually cover you for.

I've heard stories of people who have crashed at a trackday and tell their insurance that they had the accident on the public highway.

If your with the AA I think they will come out to you and take you hone as well. But not 100% sure on that.

[trackdaynova]

Collected manifold today from John, as said previously, opted for the 4-2-1 in the end
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0585.jpg

Surface grinder assuring flange is completely flat
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0586.jpg

Here she is
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0587.jpg

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0588.jpg

And where she currently sits, dry after I've painted it in HRP :)
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0589.jpg

[MK1-GTE]

certainly looks the part mate .... not a cheap item id imagine ??

[Adam Moran]

Looks the job that Olly!