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Nice one mate, looks great.
BTW its a surface grinder ;) although I think that was a typo lol
Looks well, pretty beefy :)
Yep I'm looking forward to it.
scott.parker
09-01-08, 07:57 PM
Foook me Ol.... thats a beast alright! just wondering how much did it coast?
I did offer you my BTB lol looks better then the BTB though.
Scott
Thats pretty pornographic that manifold! I hope your wearing your extra strong rubber pants!
trackdaynova
10-01-08, 10:01 AM
Cheers Lee - its coming together slowly :)
Looking forward to giving it some now, revs up very smoothly considering its on a base map too
Providing nuts & bolts are here, will be fitting seats & harnesses tonight, and then I can go for a drive
trackdaynova
10-01-08, 11:46 PM
last bits done to the interior before the subframes, seats & harnesses went in
rollcage feet and legs being sprayed gloss black
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0590.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0591.jpg
done diddly, including pedals & stems
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0592.jpg
frames in situ
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0593.jpg
passenger seat & harness in and ready for the go go
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0594.jpg
both in
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0595.jpg
through the looking glass
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0596.jpg
engine bay final, with manifold on
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0597.jpg
chunky primaries in situ
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0598.jpg
exact replica of standard xe layout route
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0599.jpg
been out in it tonight, and there isn't a big enough "GRIN" smiley to put on, but my it's awesome to be behind the wheel of it again!
clutch is phenominal, forgot how loud TB's were at WOT, and the fact it just keeps going, is even better!
thanks again for reading.
MK1-GTE
10-01-08, 11:53 PM
fairplay to ya mate looks a work of art .....and i bet its a blast to drive ...:)
Nice breasts :) Lol
Good to hear its back on the road, the bay looks proper hardcore.
Rick Draper
10-01-08, 11:58 PM
Your supposed to use anything but **** mags to mask stuff out when painting! lol
Looking good, cannot believe how far its come since you got it.
scott.parker
11-01-08, 12:18 AM
Ol mate thats spot on now, im really liking your car mate, must make sure that mine has a few more fancy bits in it to keep up the standards lol
(i spy with my little eye where some one's tagging a cage! lol)
Scott
Adam Moran
11-01-08, 09:08 AM
Great work Oli
Altho i feel this may not be the end for the WIP on this car ;)
Excellent progress dude, keep it up!
Have you got a date for mapping yet? Where are you having it done?
nova ian
11-01-08, 10:55 AM
(i spy with my little eye where some one's tagging a cage! lol)
Scott
I spotted that too Scott!!
Olly, what can I say, It looks awesome mate, you've done a top job, got some good kit on there and you've made one hell of a car. If mines half as good as this when its done I will be happy!!
Good work mate, you'll have to take me for a blast in it would love to experience it, and it might give me the motovation to get cracking on mine!!
Ian
trackdaynova
11-01-08, 04:03 PM
Wowzers - thanks all for the nice comments :)
Cheers Scott - glad you like it, and yup, in the process of, but I'll do it when I can be assed to take the seats back out - good beedy eye tho lol
Adam - I'm thinking the same, although it will be 'finished' for now, until I reach its limits, and it starts slowing me down, only then will I improve, no point modding for the sake of modding :)
Ben - thanks, yep - booked mapping session today at Track 'n' Road with the 2 famous Steves, Greenald & Pitcher. Next Friday 18th, as fitting cams and new timing kit tomorrow, then it'll be ready mapped for the trackdays I have booked - got one booked every month up until July lol
Ian - nice words pal, cheers - you're welcome for a passenger ride whenever you want chap, next open pit at Donny I'm booked on is Mid July iirc, unless you wanna travel to a trackday sooner lol
Is Track N Road not a fair drive from you? :eek::eek:
I guess its worth it tho, going by there reputation.
trackdaynova
11-01-08, 04:11 PM
Yup - tis a fair way, a trek infact, and there are lots of others closer, but I've spent way too much time, effort and money on this car, buying all the rights bits - to go and skimp right at the last hurdle would be criminal
It might cost another ?50 or whatever more, and another bit of petrol - but it's worth it just going by their reputation, as you say :)
Aye.
Pics/Vids whilst mapping like last time?? :) :)
trackdaynova
11-01-08, 04:18 PM
lol @ 'like last time', shocking that you remember!
I wasn't planning on doing, but yeah, can't see why not - going for the evening session, so will be starting at 6pm, and finishing at midnight :)
trackdaynova
11-01-08, 04:21 PM
Whilst I'm not overly fussed on engine bhp figure, I would like to see 190bhp if I could, my White one had 181bhp, that was Standard XE on Bodies, and a big 'ish' manifold. This one has Kent grpN spec cams and a bigger manifold so I hope to achieve the 190 marker...
More importantly tho, with the reduced transmission losses with a straight cut box, I would really like as close to 170bhp ATW, now that would be awesome, White one had 144 ATW.
Sweet baby jesus and the orphans.......a track day every month until June. fair play. I wouldn't mind getting to 1 before June let alone 1 each month!!! lol. Do you know if the Bedford 1 on the 9th allows spectators?
Aye, the Sccr etc should help a lot with the transmissions losses.
And at the wheel power is what really counts on the road.
Lol, i still have the old vids on my old hard drive somewhere from the white ones mapping.
Those were the days lol
Howdy, I wouldn't risk coming to Bedford to spectate as it could very well be a wasted journey. IIRC everyone who attends, spectators included have to of signed in so they know exactly who is there.
As its PalmerSport or whatever they are called they are **** hot on that sort of thing :(
Olly- see you in the morning, don't kill the fooker tonight for christs sake, I'll chat to you then about next friday ;)
trackdaynova
11-01-08, 06:33 PM
lol @ killing it
been out in it tonight, and scared myself sh*tless, so came in early lol its so appealing to hear WOT, it could get you into trouble
rain is mega bad, ots dark which makes it worse, headlights are even worse than that, and single wiper just ain't cricket lol lol lol
can i get to you for 10am please mate, will give you an hour on your service, and i can change my wheels, and found i got a puncture in my Rainsport tonight grrr, so will swap over 888s before I head across
That cool with you?
Thats fine mate, I'll try and get stuck into that Lexus first thing so hopefully I won't have much to do by the time you "tea boy" arrives :)
I've got 4 hrs book time to do this service and considering how little I have to do there must be a catch LOL like you have to take the heads off to get to the spark plugs or something ha ha
See you in the morning mate
Oh and its PE29 6HQ ;)
> Cam Lube
Got any toys to go with that ?
Oh and I knew the rattle cans and camera would be coming LOL
I think we might now have to take that photo !
Let me dig out some 5hit clothes first LOL
See you in the morning mate, guests arriving soon !
swapped the cams over, just about to do the timing now
i'm sure olly will post pics when he gets home
been out in it, it's certainly a beast with that box in!
trackdaynova
13-01-08, 12:40 AM
huge thanks to JB today for helping me out, some pics from todays progress
belt cover off ready for strip down
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0600.jpg
cam cover off
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0601.jpg
cams, caps, pulleys off/ out
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0602.jpg
awww how neat! (only so i was sure i didnt drop any washers in the head lol)
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0603.jpg
markings on camshafts, say AST1612s - cool
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0604.jpg
new and old pulleys/ tensioners, altho old ones had no play in them, replaced them anyway
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0605.jpg
old cam lobe vs new cam lobe
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0606.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0607.jpg
all back together, with now, gloss black camcover and cambelt covers
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0608.jpg
thanks for reading/ looking
Hmm, that car looks familiar ! lol
Certainly was a interesting day ! having 5th gear on the 2nd roadtest was novel ha ha
It goes rather well, I'm sure I can still hear the box whining now
Good to see fitting went well.
Mapping next week then?
krobinson
13-01-08, 12:12 PM
Great work guys, Certainly one of the best track nova's around at the moment :D
trackdaynova
13-01-08, 01:45 PM
Cheers Adam, yeh - fitting went quite well apart from some dodgy wiring, which I still claim is sh*t hot! lol Basically the injection fuel pump had stopped working which prevented it from starting, when I went to remove the fuel pump panel to check the fuse - it started working again... hmmm...
Upon starting there was a slightly tapping which I thought was a hydraulic follower as we hadn't emptied them, but we thougth it was something else.
Did a compression test there and then, and I think JB said it came back as 8/9/9/7, which wasn't great, so contemplated leaving the car with JB to whip the head off.
After much deliberation and calls to the misses because I'd let her down to go out for a meal (again), we decided that I'd drive it home (75miles) and just see what goes.
Anyway, with straight cut box, doing 70mph is like 4.8krpm, so to make any time up whatsoever I was constantly in the 5.5krpms all the way home, with the odd blat up to 7.5krpm in 5th to see what TomTom says.
Got about ten miles in on the A14, when the car died..... a very p*ssed off call to JB saying that I think it'd given up... but then it dawned on me... petrol! lol JB came to save me with a jerry can - thanks again - and my dodgy fuel gauge was still reading half full :mad:
Got the the Shell station, and it took a further 37litres, ontop of the 6 we'd put in just before, and the gauge then read 1/4 full... "somethingz a miss, me thinkz"... ggrrrrr
Anyway, plan was for JB to come over to mine today to remove the rocker, cams and empty the followers to see if that got us compression back, but before I started to take it to bits, I went and got a compression tester from Halfords, and did another test after it'd had a damn good hammering last night...
The results, I think, are pretty damn stable across the board... pics here:
CYL #1 = 180psi / 12.4 bar
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0609.jpg
CYL #2 = 184psi / 12.7 bar
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0610.jpg
CYL #3 = 192psi / 13.2 bar
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0611.jpg
CYL #4 = 180psi / 12.4 bar
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0612.jpg
So all is well in the land of Ollys engine now lol I'm well chuffed.
So in short Adam - yes, still on for Fridays mapping session! lol
Keitho - cheers chappy, just hope I can do it justice out on track :)
LMAO @ the fuel gauge going down when you put fuel in. lol
Sender must be fcuked?
scott.parker
13-01-08, 01:57 PM
Ol your such a picture whore! lol lol
Good work lad, glad it's going well, im looking forward to getting behind the wheel of mine, but i need more money! and the tax mans looming over my shoulder!
Scott
Nice work olly & JB :cool:
nice1 mate glad all is fine
Did you do it with all plugs out and the throttle(s) wide open?
160-200psi is considered normal as far as i know.
Whats usually more worrying is the difference between cylinders. So yours sounds fine.
Mine was 192/192/189/187 dude so yours sounds about right:)
Thank god for that LOL
I'm not suprised one that the lifters sorted themselves out after a few blats, I am however suprised that then even started to play up lol You live and learn. I've only seen it when engines sit for ages, not a few hours.
IIRC Ads was around 240-250 psi but its not exactly standard c/r.
Oh and just to add, your wiring is cack LOL I was having a right giggle at the excuses rolling off your tongue ;)
I managed to get home in time to get my dinner before it was offered to the dog, see you friday mate :)
Send again, my inbox was full lol
It will go fine, I'm not sure my ears will cope with the drive down there so I'll be bringing my ear plugs or ipod LOL
I am indeed and Ollys going to find out all about it when he stays over that evening
Just fill it till the pump clicks off :) Then do 150/200 miles and refill again.
Senders are rare as fook, doubt you'll find one for friday. Checked the wiring?
vaughanmc
13-01-08, 11:10 PM
I think I have a fuel sender in my garage, might not be
Need to find it and take a pic..
trackdaynova
13-01-08, 11:13 PM
Vaughan, if you could do your utmost - would be forever thankful bud!
vaughanmc
13-01-08, 11:15 PM
Sorry to hi-jack but has anyone got a pic to see if its the same as what I have in the garage?
Don't want to lead you on mate incase its not what I have
Its a bolt on/screw on cap thing mith a metal rod on with a float on the end.
Which tank do you have Olly as some tanks have the pump feed on the sender.
vaughanmc
13-01-08, 11:22 PM
I'll have a look for it :)
trackdaynova
13-01-08, 11:32 PM
Cheers lads - before you start looking Vaughan, I think it maybe wiring related, as it worked prior to me putting my bike clocks in, and then removing them!
I'll keep you informed tho for deffo
vaughanmc
13-01-08, 11:33 PM
No problem, I'll look it out anyway :)
Cheers lads - before you start looking Vaughan, I think it maybe wiring related, as it worked prior to me putting my bike clocks in, and then removing them!
I'll keep you informed tho for deffo
Check the black/blue wire on the clocks and the earth. And the connections at the sender end.
vaughanmc
14-01-08, 04:38 PM
My dad says what we have is a fuel sender with some wires coming from it
Just a matter of finding it now :)
trackdaynova
14-01-08, 05:30 PM
Problem sorted... thanks so much for your help on hand vaughan ! very much appreciated bud.
Basically I had 2x blue/black wires on my clock loom, but only 1 on my car side - thinking about it, I bought the clocks from Bax, that came out of a derv - would that make any difference?
Anyway - no dramas now, done about 120miles now, since filling up, and still have just over half a tank
Vaughan - see your usercp for updates :)
peester
14-01-08, 05:37 PM
hmm.. seems smooth as.
vaughanmc
14-01-08, 05:50 PM
Cheers for the comment mate, much appreciated :)
Good to hear its sorted Olly :)
On with friday now.
trackdaynova
14-01-08, 06:33 PM
Yup - made a list last night of things to do before Fridays mapping...
> Stop exhaust from knocking, and check for any blowing as we put it on with no paste
... done this today at local garage who gave me access to a ramp for a couple of hours, used oxygen and acetylene to heat up manifold and bend it away from tunnel, checked for blowing and was only blowing on 1 joint out of 3, so was pleased about that
> Do oil change, as had put a fair whack of cam lube in there, along with new cams which could have had bits of swarf on
... whilst i was down at garage today, did oil change which is dead quick and easy with car in the air, and a proper oil drainage system, and even let me fill it back up for nothing using their Mobile 10w40 Semi - awesome
> Buy lambda boss, and bung, drill hole and weld it on manifold
... trip to John Wilcox this morning sorted me out with a lambda boss and bung, just need to actually fit it onto the manifold
> Soften suspension, as I still had it setup for track - very stiff
... softened suspension by 10 clicks on the rear, and 7 clicks on the front which eased the pain of UK roads a little, however for the journey across to JB's and down to Kent, i'll soften it all the way
> Wire up the horn
... done diddly done tonight
> Sorting clocks out, fuel gauge and oil pressure misreading
... as mentioned above - done that too tonight- happy that i now know how much normal unleaded i have to use in time for Friday, as I will want to be getting it mapped on V-Power
> buy some ear plugs and charge iPod
... again - for journey down there, not done this yet
> wire in cigarette lighter socket, for charging TomTom or whatever
... this is still to be done
I wouldnt map it on V power olly, map it to a more regular super thats more freely availiable (97 or 98). Being stuck at a circuit and needing a top up with no shell garage in sight is annoying to say the least, and I doubt your engine is so close to Detting that V power is the only option lol
**** that, map it on V power, any other super will get you out of the cack when its needed but you can always find a Shell garage to fill up for trackdays, which tbh is what the car is built for.
V-power's ****e anyway.
Its not "proper" RON, just boosted with additives.
TESCO 99 is where its at lol
lmao lol Why bother, v power isnt going to make it any better, you may as well map it to the fuel most readily availiable.
Lee has a fair point BUT I've never been stuck for Shell fuels, I always carry a large jerry can which will easily see you through a day on track.
That much is true, if your carrying extra fuel it doesnt make much difference what you map it on.
But if you decide to do a trackday when Vpower isnt availiable, which happens a lot in my experience, youll have to run on a lower octane.
Not that it'll make much difference, but it'll go just as well mapped to either fuel. Why narrow your options?
The differences between Super and V Power is small but there is differences, I'd much rather map it on V power but we have about 10 Shell garages in our area. I've never been stuck wherever I am in the uk or abroad.
If you have ever monitored knock using different fuels then you may realise why people use V power.
For that reason it would seme sensibel to map it on whatever the local fuel is but IMO there is more than enough Shell garages to not be stuck
Yeah, V power's great for high comp engines. But olly's isnt a high comp engine lol It would probably be perfectly happy on 95!
But as you say, if you have plenty of V power about, you might just as well.
NOT at all, enough tests have been done to prove that they are no where near the same.
Less of a problem on atmo engines, huge problem with turbo engines.
A couple of my mates run some serious monitoring gear in their cars whilst mapping and when their not and it is worrying to see the difference from fuels and even in some cases the differences with or without a splitter fitted !
Tesco 99RON has been proven better than V-Power.
And it keeps its octane rating.
V-Power "degrades"
NOT at all, enough tests have been done to prove that they are no where near the same.
Less of a problem on atmo engines, huge problem with turbo engines.
A couple of my mates run some serious monitoring gear in their cars whilst mapping and when their not and it is worrying to see the difference from fuels and even in some cases the differences with or without a splitter fitted !
Im not saying theres no difference, im saying on Ollys engine the difference will be so minimal as far as performance goes, it makes no odds whatsoever lol
People get far too anal about fuel types with engines like these. i agree on a turbo or a high comp race engine, the variables are far greater, but in this case it really doesnt need V power lol
My old engine used to mildly det on 95 and run fine on 98, which proves there is a difference, however i was running a ludicrous comp ratio lol Ollys block is standard, so in all fairness super would be more than adequate imo :)
I know you know your stuff Jonlem, im not arguing with you here lol lol Just stating my opinion based on my experience with many XE's!
Welsh Dan
14-01-08, 07:27 PM
All the more reason to map on V-power then, if you cant get it you end up on better fuel, rather than vice versa.
Yeah, V power's great for high comp engines. But olly's isnt a high comp engine lol It would probably be perfectly happy on 95!
But as you say, if you have plenty of V power about, you might just as well.
I'm currently using the same spec engine as Ollys and I have run it on both fuels, the difference is ridiculous :eek:
Yes it works, but its not half as powerful on the lower octane fuel, the only way you could prove this theory is on a rolling road with 2 seperate fuel tanks with different fuels and a suitable na car, a standard xe nova would be enough.
Anyway this isn't a topic about fuels and octane ratings so we can carry this on elsewhere another time :thumb:
Lee- totally fair points there mate, I have no doubt you have also had the luck of being around so many crap and so many nice xe's that we could go on all day about what we have learnt.
A xe with a mildly skimmed head will det on 95, I have the piston to prove it LOL
Adam, this is true but with Tesco's past record I think I'll buy my fuel from someone who hasn't caused many problems with customers engines ha ha
V Power may degrade but lets be honest, its not in their tanks long and I certainly know its never in mine long either lol
Just realised, Olly has done a whole days work and NO pictures !!!
I'm concerned for you mate, are you ok ?
trackdaynova
14-01-08, 07:39 PM
no, i feel faint.
just to clear things up, bearing in mind i have a 3 hour journey in the car with you JB, to the mapping session, i think it'll save my ears just to get it mapped on v power ffs lol
you going on would be worse than TBs + SCCR put together lol
Pah, get it mapped on whatever YOU feel right mate ;)
I'll find something else worth nagging at you about, don't you worry.
When were back at mine on friday it will be you doing the nagging whilst I'm doing some uphill gardening
awww, playing hard to get now, just how I like them
Is there something going on between you two?
lol
Rick Draper
14-01-08, 08:24 PM
I would always map on the fuel i intend to use. There is no point mapping on V-Power if your going to go and fill up at sainsburys after mapping. Not only could it damage your engine your also not maximizing your map.
I would always map on the fuel i intend to use. There is no point mapping on V-Power if your going to go and fill up at sainsburys after mapping. Not only could it damage your engine your also not maximizing your map.
My point is Rick that there is enough Shell garages in the uk not to be stuck without any.
I have NEVER been stuck so no reason why no one else should be if they are prepared :p
Thats how I am though and I cant expect everyone else to be the same :thumb:
Mapping yours on Sainsurys special then ? or Vpower and 102 mix for race map :D
I can remember two occasions ive gone into a shell garage with a sign saying 'no vmax'. lol
Had my z20let on the same rollers with both tesco 99 and v-power and the v-power gave me 275bhp 340lbft and the tesco gave me 290bhp and 335lbft. I use the 99 tesco stuff as its so close to my house. But a new shell station has just opened across the road from my work ! V-power feels smoother, which i like.
Map it on v-power mate.
Rick Draper
14-01-08, 09:20 PM
I have never been stuck without a shell garage. I will have mine mapped on V-Power. No issues getting it and no reason for me to go anywhere else for fuel.
lol so what shall i use then :p
LPG lol
Adam Moran
14-01-08, 10:31 PM
This is a very good WIP :D
I'll add my 1p's worth altho lets be honest i know feck all (jb will "back" me up on that lol)
End of the day Olly, your in the same situation as i am. Have a "normal" car and a track car. When i map mine AGAIN it will be on v power as thats the best fuel on the forecourt.
Look forward to an update on friday, i shall be up "feeding" anyways :thumb:
trackdaynova
16-01-08, 08:15 PM
small update...
was around silverstone area today, so I dropped by Mardi Gras Motorsport to buy some Ferodo DS2500s, they had them on the shelf for Dynalite II calipers, and a bargain price of ?42
wanted them in for trackday at Bedford, but obviously needed them bedding in, so i fitted them tonight intime for the journey daaan saaafff, so that'll be 300miles worth at least.
also removed manifold to fit new lambda boss, and bung, so got a holecutter/ drill bit out and cut a hole big enough for the boss to fit inside, slight tap with the hammer, and them seam welded around it to ensure no blowing, sprayed it up and refitted to car/ exhaust - all checked and is sweet
just two bits to do now, cigarette lighter plug socket to be wired in for TomTom, and refit doorbars to rollcage :)
Nice one mate.
I'm not gay
That seals it then Olly, Map it on V power, it appears to give people erections if nothing else! lol
I always walk round with a stiffy, its just so small you would never notice Lee lol
trackdaynova
16-01-08, 09:53 PM
I've decided, I'm going to map it on whatever the highest RON petrol the petrol station sells that I run out at.
I'm currently on half a tank, so it won't get me down to Track n Road.
Simple. :)
Now you have said that it will be a Bp with the new 102 fuel lol
trackdaynova
17-01-08, 10:36 PM
reet then, all set for mapping tomorrow now then...
pics of new pads i've decided to try out
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0613.jpg
very pleasing to see that the apparent rubbish EBC greenstuff have held out very well considering alot of road mileage, along with a wet trackday
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0614.jpg
bought itg 130mm ID sausage filter and backing plate, and to re-route all the fuel lines which gave me a chance to flip FPR so gauge is easier to read too
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0615.jpg
Out of the list of things to do, the only thing I didnt do, was wire in a cig lighter socket for the TomTom, I've bought it, just didnt get around to wiring it in - but can do that tomorrow
Cool. Hope mapping goes well for you :)
peester
17-01-08, 11:19 PM
all in a days work eh..?
not even jim would have been able to 'fix it' for anyone; as well as this has gone.. inspiring. Gettin quite hardcore.
novashed
18-01-08, 09:59 PM
mate! your an animal at this game! wanna come down one weekend give me hand?
Just got back in from Track and Road :) Had a loopy drive in it on the way home which was appreciated :)
Power @ flywheel 197.7hp @ 7620rpm
Power @ wheels 174.1hp
Torque 148.9lb ft
Fantastic results !
Ollys "chuffed" yet nigh on asleep lol
Vids to follow
We got there to find Giles off mig with his rather tasty xe'd powered Cavalier which was good to see, once again a great service from both Steves @ Track and Road on both cars.
Looking forwards to vids, and it would be an Olly update if there wasnt pics...
Great results
Martin
scott.parker
19-01-08, 10:45 AM
Sounds all good then Ol, will be nice to see the vids.. 197, lol so close...
trackdaynova
19-01-08, 11:03 AM
Cheers lads, yeh, I'm very happy with the results, especially considering the mods, or lack of, the engine has.
Very very thorough mapping by Steve Greenald & Steve Pitcher really really cannot recommend those guys enough, and once I have videos sorted I'll be hosting them on YouTube.
I said before I went, that I would be happy with 190bhp (165atw) and 150lbft, so it's exceeded expectations... and thats real horsepower too, the accuracy is phenominal, they changed the ign adv to see if we can get the 1% to make it 200, but it came back with 197.6bhp, so the consistancy was unreal.
As said by the Steves, on any other rollers, it'd probably make 200 lol
Not alot of footage, but I'll put together what I have and host it anyway, as I said i would for the guys at TnR.
Will post up graph in a tick once JB's sorted his scanner out
Graph...
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/trackdaynovagraph.jpg
Adam Moran
19-01-08, 11:42 AM
Thats a fantastic looking graph!!!
Well done olly, youve got yourself a great engine there
trackdaynova
19-01-08, 11:50 AM
Cheers Ad, we've just put my graph, and your 222.4bhp graph together, and we have identical WHP figures! :)
Would be great to see them both on track together soon... :thumb:
Glad it went very well for you Olly.
That graph looks awesome, really is a credit to how good the mappers on when they get graphs that smooth.
Power @ flywheel 197.7hp @ 7620rpm
Power @ wheels 174.1hp
Torque 148.9lb ft.
Fantastic result that is!
A real credit to a few guys (yourselfs included Olly & Jon ) who know what they want, know how to get it and push the boudaries that little bit more for things to pay off :thumb: :cool:
christ with a graph like that it must pull like a train
awesome result olly, must be pleased. whats it like to drive putting it all through the box, got one of them on my shopping list.
whats giles' cavalier doing there, my new engine is to a similar spec.
peester
19-01-08, 01:43 PM
vid vid vid vid vid vid
that graph is awesome
soooo smooth!
and a lovely torque line too
as above
i bet it pulls like fukk!
Adam Moran
19-01-08, 05:06 PM
Might have to wait a while but im def up for that...
Just shows you the different a "proper" gearbox makes!
When my engine comes back i'll have to start saving for another mapping session, might take a while lol
djshaggeh
19-01-08, 09:03 PM
trackday, check your pm box
awesome result olly, must be pleased. whats it like to drive putting it all through the box, got one of them on my shopping list.
whats giles' cavalier doing there, my new engine is to a similar spec.
Giles was having the map finally tweeked :thumb:
And it was making a LOT of power :eek: :D
Jon can u pm me to save me chasin him up on mig.. im sure were on an almost identical spec save mines destined for a nova.
trackdaynova
20-01-08, 02:20 AM
Decided to do a seperate thread for Track n Road conversations, should any arise... Mapping thread, including video is here:
http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92015
Hope you enjoy :)
You must be well happy and a bit gutted it didnt make 200 bhp at the flywheel. Would a pair of pulleys get you to 200bhp !?! ;)
beef@novadose.net
23-01-08, 07:39 PM
very pleasing to see that the apparent rubbish EBC greenstuff have held out very well considering alot of road mileage, along with a wet trackday
I had a set of 2nd hand Willy Dynalites running Greenstuff pads on my old 2.0 8v Saloon, best brakes I've ever experienced.
I also blagged a full set of front and rear EBC turbo groove discs and RedStuff pads for my old Octavia VRS, and it did 2 trips to the Nurburgring without complaint, when everyone around me was suffering with brake fade.
I'm sure EBC changed their material a good few years ago to combat poor reputation, but TBH I can't fault them. Much better than the Mintex C1144 pads I ran on my old 2.0 GSi.
DS2500s have a very good rep. One of the boys does a lot of track work with his an Evo 6 and swears by DS3000s, but he did say they have ruined his wheels lol.
trackdaynova
07-02-08, 06:14 PM
With Bedford trackday this Saturday, I decided to look at car briefly to do some bits that just needed finishing off before it seen the track again.
So I fitted the passenger footplate again, and refitted the doorbars on the rollcage. Helmets are in the net ready, as is the camcorder on its mount (however vision is slightly restricted by seat "ears")
Got my intercom setup in there too - so decided to go out for a blat, and the Ferrodo DS2500s have certainly bedded in now - so back now, all ready for early doors on Saturday... yay...
What times it finishe on sat. Might pop down and get some fottage of the day ?
trackdaynova
07-02-08, 09:39 PM
It's 8:30am - 4:30pm if I remember correctly, but I think you can come and go as much as you please :)
trackdaynova
12-02-08, 05:58 PM
Trackday wasn't really much to talk about, in short, I got black flagged 20 laps in due to being too noisy.
Static limit @ Bedford is 101dB, mine came in at 100.6dB @ 4.5krpm
Driveby limit was 87.5dB @ 20metres away, on my 20th lap, I got black flagged with 88dBs... damn thing.
http://www.trackphoto.co.uk/images/medium/photo/20080209_bed_eas/NOVA/DSC_9518.jpg http://www.trackphoto.co.uk/images/medium/photo/20080209_bed_eas/NOVA/DSC_9743.jpg
http://www.trackphoto.co.uk/images/medium/photo/20080209_bed_eas/NOVA/DSC_9293.jpg http://www.trackphoto.co.uk/images/medium/photo/20080209_bed_eas/NOVA/DSC_9389.jpg
In light of this, I need to quieten my car down at both induction and exhaust end, so today I bought this which will sort the induction out...
Details are:
New from Pipercross is the 600-series sealed airbox designed to fit all 600 baseplate applications and is ideal for vehicles where intake space is restricted.
http://www.pipercross.net/images/600_airbox.jpg
Dramatically reduces intake temperatures
Reduction in intake noise - ideal for trackday regulations
78mm depth, designed for space-critical applications
Suitable for rampipes up to 45mm in height
Available in left or right hand configurations
Attaches to all existing PX600 Pipercross baseplates
Replaceable foam Pipercross filter, with 75mm or 100mm alloy air intake
Now all thats left, is to get a new 3-box system made, or increase the sizes of my 2 boxes currently...
Half a bloody decibel over the limit, i would of been pissed off lol
trackdaynova
12-02-08, 06:05 PM
oh i was, and with Bedford - no second chances, one black flag and it's home time... but then, i did know that before the day.
mate i went with who has a Cossie, got black flagged at 87.7dB :(
oh, and to pish me off moreso, the footage i did get is gobbled for some reason, old tape i presume, so might invest in a cheap HDD camcorder, to prevent that happening again
Not good.
Whats Donningtons limits?
You must be quite close to them now with the tb's etc fitted?
Those PX600 air box's are good, I'm looking at one for mine. Where'd you pick yours up from? Price?
Damn noise limits
trackdaynova
12-02-08, 06:51 PM
Ad - Donington is usually 101dB driveby (but thats at trackside, not at 20metres away)
Just about to book onto Rockingham, which have 103 static and driveby (but again, at trackside, not 20metres)
Ash - I got mine from www.ThePipercrossShop.co.uk (http://www.ThePipercrossShop.co.uk) as it happens lol very very helpful people, I bought the C6100RH (Airbox, 100mm inlet pipework, integral filter, right hand entry as you look at it), I bought the C6051 backing plate for it to fix to, as I'm going to me mounting it half way up my 90mm trumpets as they don't make one to accomodate 90mms, and they're throwing in a C604D sausage filter (125mm ID) for when I'm not running the box. I paid ?231.94 delivered.
Breakdown being, C6100RH Airbox - ?199.99, C6051 Backing Plate - ?32.95, and the sausage filter is free, plus free delivery.
Uncle Winnet
12-02-08, 10:14 PM
cool
Hi,
Bedford Autodrome is notorious for kicking people out. They have been known to lower the noise limit during a day with no warning and no refund. We avoid it for that reason.
You will not have any problems at Rockingham, I guarantee. We've never had a hint of trouble at Donnington either. The only other circuit we had trouble with was Goodward and they told us to give the sound beacons a wide birth and lift off a little.
MC
Bad luck mate. Its my local circuit - about 4 miles as the crow flies but I've never been:wtf:
I know of locals that make it their business to complain. Its always had problems I'm afraid.
I've wondered how good those airboxes actually are. I'll be interested to hear (albeit quietlylol ) how you get on!
Adam Moran
12-02-08, 10:46 PM
As i will be Olly.... as discussed before!
The big airbox I made for mine took the bark out of the TB's.
I had the same happen to me Olly, it's as annoying as hell! Hence why my car now has the two intake options and all those silencers in the exhaust system.
As for the recording device. I have been looking at solid state recorders for a long while. What I will be getting (currently anyway) is the PDR100. It's a bit pricey but it is solid state and a damn fine unit as far as I can see. You can also get a small LCD screen for it for around ?46. It's an MPEG2 recorder so rendering the footage is simple.
PDR100 (http://chasecam.com/recorders/pdr.htm)
trackdaynova
13-02-08, 09:45 PM
no news in the airbox at the moment, but i'll be mounting it the same as Lee He****y as done on his red 1800.
provisionally booked on at rockingham... just need to do internal shifter, and get bigger exhaust middle box, and back box ideally
bad luck with noise mate, wil is your SC loud too? maybe its a combination ofg all three exhaust,TBs,SC hope ypu get it sorted :D
trackdaynova
13-02-08, 11:59 PM
Confirmed booking at Rockingham Raceway now, for Sunday 2nd March... which is 2 weeks on Sunday... :) ?160, open pit all day if you book within the first 15 spaces, then it goes up to ?195.
Airbox setup will be on by then, and I will be taking some extra ideas to quiten exhaust down should I need to, but at Rockingham, you get a couple of chances to reduce your noise, which is better.
Tonight I bought the CD of photos from Bedford too (full res ones), so will post them up when I get them through, noticed from the drive, and the pics, that my suspension was set way too soft, but I didn't exactly have a chance to change it, with getting flagged on my second outting lol
trackdaynova
14-02-08, 06:58 PM
Found a fix for my exhaust noise, I'm going to buy one of these "dB killer exhaust baffles" from eBay.
http://www.service-champions.co.uk/images/motorcycle_parts_%26_accessories/excnrk_largel.jpg
Simple really, just slide in the end of your tailpipe into your back box, and nut and bolt on.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MOTORCYCLE-EXHAUST-BAFFLE-KIT-NOISE-REDUCTION-db-KILLER_W0QQitemZ310021238289QQihZ021QQcategoryZ256 23QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
The only problem I can forsee, is that the widest part of the above item is 48mm shoulder, and the internal diameter of my tailpipe is 52mm, so I'll need to weld on another thin skin to pack it out.
Hopefully that'll be and end to my noise problems :)
Adam Moran
14-02-08, 09:29 PM
Probably wont do much good for your hp tho.
Assuming your going to get a proper exhaust made up mate?
Going to have to sit down and go though all this myself in a few months time :(
trackdaynova
14-02-08, 10:36 PM
would sooner lose a couple of bhp than waste a couple of hundred quid trackday.
probably wont bother changing my system just yet
Adam Moran
14-02-08, 10:39 PM
With you on that one... Just a shame that they can hold race days that are VERY noisey but a track day car thats just a bit over the limit is a no no
makes no sense :S
would sooner lose a couple of bhp than waste a couple of hundred quid trackday.
probably wont bother changing my system just yet
Surely its teh TBs that are making the racket though?
That is the case on mine... I have a 2 box 2.5" systems and I cant even hear it over the TBs!
Maybe worth seeing what the noise levels are like with the airbox fitted.
That alone might bring them right down.
As i know when i had carbs fitted, i couldn't even hear any exhaust noise at all,over induction noise.
youll be getting excessive backpressure with that thing in olz, and may well be worthwhile having it remapped to suit
trackdaynova
15-02-08, 03:16 PM
I can't personally hear the exhaust over the gearbox or the TBs lol
As said - I'll see how I can go at Rockingham, but I'll have a few devices to try should I get black flagged.
Imo, just the airbox should sort it :)
As your running only slightly over the limits, and the airbox should take a fair lot of noise out the induction.
trackdaynova
15-02-08, 05:56 PM
collected the backing plate today, as they said they had the airbox, but didnt lol hey ho
i can continue cutting that in half, and making the tabs to mount them half way up my trumpets ala lee303
You should be ok without your changes at Rockingham
trackdaynova
16-02-08, 05:11 PM
received the CD of full res images today, so I thought i'd post them up in my diary to remember I went
only took 16, as i was only out for 20laps or so, but I'm happy with a few of them
Enjoy... ps: the 2nd one is my personal fave
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0617.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0618.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0619.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0620.jpg
nice bit of 3wheel action
Adam Moran
16-02-08, 09:46 PM
Ace pics!!
See what you mean about it being too soft tho ;)
nice bit of 3wheel action
All four tyres seem to be in contact with the tarmac :confused:
higher poundage springs next on the list i take it?
All four tyres seem to be in contact with the tarmac :confused:
higher poundage springs next on the list i take it?
not in the second pic there not
not in the second pic there not
;)
krobinson
17-02-08, 09:36 AM
I don't think its leaning anymore than most track nova's i've seen. Looking good olly!
trackdaynova
17-02-08, 12:57 PM
All four tyres seem to be in contact with the tarmac :confused:
higher poundage springs next on the list i take it?rear nearside wheel is off on the 2nd pic down as the lads said above
no need for higher poundage springs, as said earlier in the thread...
noticed from the drive, and the pics, that my suspension was set way too soft, but I didn't exactly have a chance to change it, with getting flagged on my second outting lol
srstevey
17-02-08, 05:58 PM
proper street sleeper nice m8
Olly, you see those eyelet's you fitted:
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0267.jpg
Are they just fitted by drilling through the transmission tunnel, placing a spreader plate underneath, and then screwing the eyelet through the hole into the plate?
Are the plates welded to the floor??
trackdaynova
17-02-08, 11:58 PM
hole drilled through transmission tunnel, with a threaded spacer plate underneath, loctite'd on :) same with the 5th/6th mounts that are under the seats themselves :)
lee coley
19-02-08, 07:01 PM
sweet car mate.
trackdaynova
19-02-08, 08:55 PM
not exactly an update, but something nonetheless :)
just getting things ready for when the airbox arrives
marked central point horizontally on backing plate
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0621.jpg
slice down the middle, then just because i'm a tart, i opened out the holes a little more so i can add rubber edging so i wouldn't get vibrations on the trumpets
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0622.jpg
half done
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0623.jpg
other side done
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0624.jpg
bought some 5mm ID alloy tubing from B&Q to make the spacers up, and that should be sorted then!
and I've also now got one of these badboys:
http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/images//products/large/m-ex-muff-4.jpg
Looking good mate.
Any gen on the bung ?
Were at Bruntingthorpe on monday and as you may of seen in the vids I posted the car is rather noisy
trackdaynova
19-02-08, 10:02 PM
seen the pod vids, but thats it ?
not received the exhaust bung on the previous page - altho received the silencer box above today...
thinking about this airbox, i dont think its going to be as easy fit as Lee's (lee303) was... trunking will foul on the washer bottle in the standard place, which is no bother, as i can remove that, however I noticed only recently that he doesnt run a standard servo/ mc/ brake fluid res bottle, which is where the airbox is going to hit - so i might well be selling the box on lol
Cant you run the airbox entry over the drivers side instead?
Yep I meant the pod vids, its not quiet at all now.
Where did you get the silencer for, whats the od on the pipe (fitment end)
I was reading a friends copy of PVW yesterday and one of the products they reviewed was an electronic exhaust valve, works basically like a porsche one, leave it in standard mode and it's nice and quite (good for motorway driving ;)) and then flick a switch and hear the full bark of the exhaust. It was about ?130 and seem very well made/manufactured. I'll find the name if you interested.
I read the same article, it would do exhausts upto 6" too iirc !
prices were from ?130 I think though
Still cheaper the a whole exhaust system I suppose...
I'll probably end up fitting one with my new exhaust, more to cut out the drone on long trips e.g the ring.
The increase in back pressure could fook an engine which is really why i'm not so keen on using one on ours considering what were doing with our car.
What Rick Draper had made for his nova turbo is what you need ideally although I wouldn't want to be following him when it falls off mid corner lol
Hayward and Scott make very high quality exhaust systems, I know several people with exhausts from them who's cars aren't that noisy at all.
You get what you pay for though, like anything really.
I cant see the airbox being a problem on your car Olz, should fit fine
trackdaynova
20-02-08, 06:23 PM
regarding the airbox - i bladdy hope so - else i'll have to sell it on and have a re-re-rethink again lol
just check out pics of lee303s, and you'll see what i mean about the exit of the box hovers where the brake fluid res bottle should be.
can't run it drivers side as it prodrudes out the side of the bodies too much and would deffo foul on the strut
trackdaynova
21-02-08, 05:34 PM
big balls of fire
basically, got the airbox today and it doesn't fit at all. completely fouls the brake fluid resevoir bottle and cap.
had a rethink, and rather than mounting the backing plate half way up the 90s in order to keep them, i thought, i'll swap to 45s, and mount it directly on the trumpets as it should be - still fouled tho - even worse than before.
anyone have any other ideas of an airbox style thing to reduce the induction roar?
trackdaynova
21-02-08, 05:36 PM
that was an expensive test now wasn't it lol bloody ?231.94! :( :wtf:
Have you tried it over the drivers side?
Definently wont fit there either?
trackdaynova
21-02-08, 05:39 PM
yup, tried that, and for how much it protrudes horizontally, it almost hits my bonnet strut lol
t45_ste
21-02-08, 05:44 PM
Remove the brake servo and use a corsa set up. Weight saver too:thumb:
But he has the fuel swirl pot etc etc where the corsa setup would need to go.
And a corsa setup means you need to make up new brake lines for the car to fit the new mc position....
trackdaynova
21-02-08, 06:07 PM
Adam is correct, I can't justify spending more money on relocation swirl setup, new brake lines being made, fluid, along with all the rest of the work involved, as I'm mega happy with how my brakes perform anyway.
Just one of those things - I'll sell the box on.
Cant you get a refund somehow?
I may be interested matey... although am guessing I will have similar probs?
I have a pedal box though...:cool:
Rick Draper
21-02-08, 06:29 PM
I may be interested matey... although am guessing I will have similar probs?
I have a pedal box though...:cool:
Pedal box would be ok as you could relocate the fluid reservoirs.
fearless
21-02-08, 06:57 PM
Never really looked into it - but would it not be possible relocate the standard reservoir somewhere else - The standard res is only pushed into the master cylinder - If you could 'bodge' some sort of way of fastening a pipe to the push in fitting. you could relocate one of these http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/resources/images/zoom/TAS380.jpg to wherever you wanted ??
Just thinking out aloud - probably won't work !!!!!!!!!!!
Dave
nathan.
21-02-08, 07:15 PM
Never really looked into it - but would it not be possible relocate the standard reservoir somewhere else - The standard res is only pushed into the master cylinder - If you could 'bodge' some sort of way of fastening a pipe to the push in fitting. you could relocate one of these http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/resources/images/zoom/TAS380.jpg to wherever you wanted ??
Just thinking out aloud - probably won't work !!!!!!!!!!!
Dave
Good idea Dave!
Surely you could make some kind of pipe from remote resivoirs to the master cyl. I've got 2 remote resivoirs in my garage that arn't doing anything and will proberly never get used. :thumb:
trackdaynova
21-02-08, 08:01 PM
Will - it'll fit fine on yours ya bast' lol
Fantastic idea Dave/ Nath, I'll have a look to see if I can get my resevoir moved somehow!
I'll keep everyone updated... thanks again... maybe i can see the light
trackdaynova
21-02-08, 08:17 PM
I don't suppose anyone knows how the res is held onto the MC?
Is it just a push on fixing? i think thats what I remember it is, but can't remember!
Rick Draper
21-02-08, 08:25 PM
Push fit iirc.
trackdaynova
21-02-08, 08:36 PM
i suppose i need to find out the diameter, and the type of push fitting, ie: thickness of rubber etc
fearless
21-02-08, 08:37 PM
As long as you can get some sort of air tight seal on the pipe to the master cylinder - it should work
The supply of fluid to the master cylinder has no pressure to it - it's only gravity fed - may be possible to cut the bottom of the res off to leave just the seal/pipe and fix a tube/pipe to it with an olive fixing !!!!
Would need to see a reserviour to assist any further - It years since I've looked at one closely !!!!
Awaits someone to post a piccy ;)
In fact, thinking about it - Pushing a tight fit rubber hose over it with a jubilee clip would be a first class 'bodge'
However I would prefer a more Professional 'bodge' myself !!!!
Dave
fearless
21-02-08, 08:52 PM
I know its a diesel and using a pedal box - but it demonstrates the use of remote reservoirs and how they can be used to overcome problems ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/IMG_0311.jpg
Dave
I'm quite sure that if you took the MC to a couplings place you could get a connection that would screw in to the rubber on the MC and give you some thing to take off of on the other end.
Something that 'looks' like this
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/resources/images/zoom/KRNMETAD.jpg
Deffo dooable.
novashed
22-02-08, 05:50 PM
agreed with dar here. wouldnt take a lot to runa line off off the MC a reservoir
trackdaynova
22-02-08, 07:42 PM
still a brilliant idea chaps, and is something i'm going to look into doing.
but for now, luckily, the company i bought it from has offered me a full refund, which is nice of them, and i'm going to take them up on it (for now), should i get the remote resevoir done, then i will probably "re buy" another, but really don't want to miss out on getting a full refund without a percentage handling charge!
just gotta hope that rockingham is going to be nice to me... i have now, 3x devices to sort my noisey exhaust... and hopefully something in the pipeline for the induction :)
trackdaynova
23-02-08, 05:53 PM
Attended a rolling road day today at JamSport in conjunction with VauxSport
I had my mapping done only 3 weeks ago at Track n Road and made 197.7bhp @ 7620rpm
Today at Jamsport, different rollers, different software, different time of day and weather - still made 196bhp @ 7620rpm < exactly the same peak power rpm! also made 154lbft of torque. :thumb:
Less than half a percent difference between the rollers, so i'm pleased to say they must be pretty accruate
couple of pics to come :)
Sweet result :)
Good to hear good comments about their rollers too.
See how they are at the png rr day next month :)
nice one olly..
good news about the figure's :thumb:
pfffft my std engine made the same torque :p lol
Hope the pics came out well :D
belly257
24-02-08, 01:12 AM
excellent work mate:thumb:
trackdaynova
24-02-08, 06:50 PM
some pics of my nova from yesterdays VS RR day
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/VauxSport%20JamSport%20RR%20Day/NeoCaptureVSRR0087.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/VauxSport%20JamSport%20RR%20Day/NeoCaptureVSRR0085.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/VauxSport%20JamSport%20RR%20Day/NeoCaptureVSRR0016.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVx7E8sO34Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7En5CaYEiT8
vids aswell olly ;)
trackdaynova
24-02-08, 11:31 PM
oh nice one there luke - cheers for those mate
sounds lurrrvley lol
Adam Moran
25-02-08, 10:54 PM
Olly was this your motor?
http://www.pngclub.com/forum/viewfeaturecar.php?ref=249
Good result on the RR ;)
Believe it or not that was another Olly, same surname too.
Strange heh lol
Adam Moran
25-02-08, 11:21 PM
ah right, i remember seeing this car and ive talked to the guy who owned it but didnt recall Olly.
All makes sense now!
craig green
26-02-08, 03:01 PM
What output did Jamsport's rollers give in comparison with Track n Roads??
What output did Jamsport's rollers give in comparison with Track n Roads?? I think Olly said on VS, TnR rollers (known to be very accurate) gave 197hp, and Jamsport gave 196bhp iirc, and the same peak revs.....
So Jam's rollers are pretty good too(hopefully be the same at the png rr)
trackdaynova
26-02-08, 06:59 PM
Ad - no thats the other Olly Hewitt, who lives in Sheffield iirc lol times before now I've received his stuff in the post from AutoVaux, and vice-verca lol
CG - as above really :), also in post on page 70
Attended a rolling road day today at JamSport in conjunction with VauxSport
I had my mapping done only 3 weeks ago at Track n Road and made 197.7bhp @ 7620rpm
Today at Jamsport, different rollers, different software, different time of day and weather - still made 196bhp @ 7620rpm < exactly the same peak power rpm! also made 154lbft of torque. :thumb:
Less than half a percent difference between the rollers, so i'm pleased to say they must be pretty accurate
Thats an interesting comparison - good to see 2 sets of rollers giving the same figures. Useful for anyone wondering how accurate they are:thumb:
Excellent figures:D
trackdaynova
28-02-08, 11:35 PM
Thanks CP - I was happy with the comparison!
Right then, another big thanks to Dar once again for the loan of his airbox to quieten down my throttlebodies in time for Rockingham trackday on Sunday - cheers bud.
Had a bit of a mare fitting it tho, obviously Dar isn't a pansy like me and doesn't run heaters, so I had to remove the blowers to get it to fit, along with my airtemp sensor thats screwed into the backing plate, so it's just going to be fixed out the way for the trackday.
He also sent up his filter and trunking which was ace, altho I noticed that my tumble dry trunking fits, and its the same size ID, more flexible and alot longer that reaches down to my passenger headlight that I bought off Craig Green - cheers again for that.
All is good - will get some pics of it tomorrow for those that want to see :)
Thanks again Dar :) :thumb:
Cool.
Hopefully it'll be within limits :)
trackdaynova
03-03-08, 11:49 PM
Yay - it was a success!
Full report here: http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94342
Couple of direct pic links:
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0625.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/Rock01.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/Rock02.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/Rock04.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/Rock05.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/Rock06.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/Rock07.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/Rock08.jpg
vaughanmc
04-03-08, 04:02 PM
Looks awsome out on track - Is there anything else to be done to the car that u feel needs done?
trackdaynova
04-03-08, 05:28 PM
After Rockingham, I'm aware of the following things that I need/ want to do to the car.
> Get Geometry professionally done
> Buy and fit a kwikrack
> Sort out "minor" oil leaks lol
> Even higher poundage front springs again
> Get rid of the 888s, and buy some full slicks
I think thats about it
fearless
04-03-08, 06:58 PM
You may end up fitting EPAS after fitting the quick rack - Specially running a plate diff
Dave
trackdaynova
07-03-08, 04:44 PM
Cool, I'll see how things go :thumb:, just a quickrack would improve things alot! :)
Know of anywhere to look for one?
http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=900_1799_1805&products_id=13227
trackdaynova
22-03-08, 06:59 AM
Nice on Ad :thumb: cheers for the link mate!
NovaBen
22-03-08, 10:15 PM
Bloody hell, Olly Hewitt! How long has it been? Nurburgring 06? Or was it 05?? Ain't seen or spoken to you for ages! Good build going on here, didn't realise it was you until halfway through reading this post! I'm just starting to rebuild my Nova rally car so will be on here more often now!
Cheers
Ben :thumb:
Long time no see Ben !
2005 trip rocked, the only nova I have now isn't possibly the best vehicle for a trip to Germany in LOL
We'll see though, it may have to get me there this year
trackdaynova
23-03-08, 01:59 PM
Hiya Ben,
Was only the other day, I was looking through our Ring '05 photos, and seeing when we went and did a shoot on your car up in t'mountains lol
Hope you're well, thanks for the comments, its a good laugh the car is.
Just getting it prepped for hillclimbs & sprints now as applying for MSA logbook :)
NovaBen
26-03-08, 08:59 PM
Long time no see Ben !
2005 trip rocked, the only nova I have now isn't possibly the best vehicle for a trip to Germany in LOL
We'll see though, it may have to get me there this year
Long time no see indeed! Was talking to Mr Moran last night too! 2005 trip was good, I'm just having my video put on DVD actually from that trip! Still remember Adam walking along with a roadwork bollard thing!!
What Nova have you got now then??
NovaBen
26-03-08, 09:02 PM
Hiya Ben,
Was only the other day, I was looking through our Ring '05 photos, and seeing when we went and did a shoot on your car up in t'mountains lol
Hope you're well, thanks for the comments, its a good laugh the car is.
Just getting it prepped for hillclimbs & sprints now as applying for MSA logbook :)
Yep, I'm well thanks. You? Yea, I was looking through those pics too! Planning on another trip anytime soon?
How are the trackdays going then?
Its a shame you don't live further down this way as my dad could logbook your car for you! :thumb:
Ben
trackdaynova
29-03-08, 02:24 PM
Nothing like a thread going a bit stale, and a bit off topic.
Not alot has happened to the car, in fact - I've not looked at it since Rockingham, and not booked onto anymore days as there is a couple of things I need to do.
I'm trying to buy Kev Turbos Quaife Quik Rack, but for some reason he doesn't want to post it out - so I'm trying to get a way of still getting them from him.
Just ordered 4x new Toyo Proxe 888s from Reyland.co.uk, so thats that sorted, due to get car on ramps tomorrow so I can cure the oil leak around the sandwich plate
Good times!
Handy contact I gave you then ;) Glad he could sort you out.
Where abouts is Kev Turbo from?
bieransri
29-03-08, 03:52 PM
he's from yorkshire iirc. i sold my nova to him
trackdaynova
29-03-08, 05:47 PM
Oswestry apparently, which is just on the border of Wales iirc...
Now the thread said he wanted ?85 for it delivered, which is fine - but then says sold... so I'm not sure whats happening with it to be honest...
How much are you paying for 888s then? I have seen them for ?65 each which I think is pretty good?
trackdaynova
30-03-08, 12:10 AM
These were ?58 each from Martin Reyland, and that price is delivered too. Next day :thumb:
These were ?58 each from Martin Reyland, and that price is delivered too. Next day :thumb:
Wow, that is good. Tel me what I need to do! lol
tom reid
30-03-08, 09:54 PM
Just getting it prepped for hillclimbs & sprints now as applying for MSA logbook :)[/quote]
Oh, this thread just keeps getting better:thumb:
You could also do tarmac rallying, you'd enjoy it SOOOO much more than hillclimbslol
t45_ste
30-03-08, 10:04 PM
I was watching kev turbos for sale thread. Total messer if you ask me. In my eyes the rack was sold to you. For some reason he didnt want to put the rack (in a bin liner) in his "expensive sports car"? He offers postage but doesnt want your money:confused: Furry muff have a look on http://www.eurorallye.co.uk/index.php?cPath=8_13
nova_paradise
31-03-08, 01:49 AM
bloody hell took me ages to read from page one to page 74 lol.
nice one mate looks really good when love the wheels from page one.
would of left them tbh...keep up the good work
McFall1984
31-03-08, 02:39 AM
that was a long read, keep her lit
trackdaynova
01-04-08, 10:17 PM
thanks for all the comments all :)
Tom - I'll have a look into Tarmac Rallying aswell
t45 ste - Think I've now bought a Quick Rack from 'greg 1.4' providing I don't get messed around lol
Small update from last weekend, albeit very small
Rear up ready for the wheels swap to put my Rainsports on to get it legal for the road so I could get down to the garage to whip the fluffed 888s off
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0626.jpg
these were on the front for the majority of the rockingham trackday
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0627.jpg
hmmm scrubbbbbbbbbage
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0628.jpg
tyre hotness
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0629.jpg
tyre distortion down to over inflation whilst on track (28psi cold) ooops
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0630.jpg
the sun popped out so i grabbed a pic
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0631.jpg
bay as always, however looking into getting a airbox made
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0632.jpg
corking service and delivery from Reyland.co.uk, new 888s are here!
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/nc0633.jpg
Woot. I want to see them ruined at the end of the day on the 19th :)
trackdaynova
01-04-08, 10:24 PM
hell, i hope not - gotta drive back on those badboys!
oh yeah - another small update - i've been bullied into coming Combe by Lee too, and he said I had to park on the stand lol
looking foward to it, however i dont think i'll have internal shifter and quickrack on in time - but hey ho :)
http://www.myteespot.com/images/thumbs/t_8450.jpg
chris gsi
01-04-08, 10:40 PM
have they changed the r888 as they look diffrant, and my 888's have worn the same and i run them at 24psi front and 18psi rear, and good to see you at combe
trackdaynova
01-04-08, 10:44 PM
They're identical to the previous set I mashed, however they have released a soft compound, which i didn't opt for lol
Look forward to meeting loads of new faces at Combe! just gotta call the circuit and book on for a few more sessions :)
Oh, had my licence application accepted too, so I'm proud to say that my "Non-Race National B" licence is in the post to me as we speak.
I don't need to get my car MSA logbooked according to Dar, as my car is road legal with an MOT - so thats a bonus.
All I'll need is white squares on the doors, and an FIA approved fireproof race suit! :) good times.
Good to hear you will be at Combe :)
I'll try and keep out of your way on track if your in the session booked for png. lol
chris gsi
01-04-08, 10:53 PM
good new's they are the same as i just ordered 2 new ones from rayland thanks to your recommendation should be with me in the morning:thumb:
Good price on the tyres:thumb:
scott.parker
01-04-08, 10:59 PM
I looked at them tyres and though nahh there not too bad, then i saw the new ones, lol
Fair play, i must get some for my Cesaro's, but at the mo im more worried about getting/keeping the passat on the road as ive had loads of probs with mot work etc.
Scott
Just seen the pics, fook me those 888's were well passed there best,Lol.
Have you tried a 2/3mm spacer on the rear? May sort that rubbage issue.
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