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To be fair, the trailer lights trick is one of, if not THE best mods I've ever seen on a Nova :)
To be fair, the trailer lights trick is one of, if not THE best mods I've ever seen on a Nova :)
JEEEEZ never ever thought I'd see these words written on my thread!!!!!!
All that effort youve put in (in such a short space of time :p ) to make the car handle/go etc and its the poxy trailer lights that get the kudos lol
It's not really been much of a progression though has it. I've just gone out and thrown a load of money at a car, buying loads of stuff and wasting loads of money.
I was being polite, but yeah yours is clearly a chequebook build with no class or soul.
but zomg trailer lights!!!!111111!!!!?1??111!!!oneone
Because I've been sensible and planned my life properly I've got an obscene amount of money to waste on pointless things.
I've sent this to someone to turn it into a monster.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/2554E442-5ABF-4D93-8083-9E9DE0BDCECD.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/2554E442-5ABF-4D93-8083-9E9DE0BDCECD.jpg.html)
Paint roller extender was part of the deal
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/0EDB6192-93FD-4876-BB4D-912723AB32A2.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/0EDB6192-93FD-4876-BB4D-912723AB32A2.jpg.html)
Needs a little work here behind the passenger headlight but I'll pay someone to do that, not like I've progressed with my build and perfected my welding skills
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/42AE0D50-AE32-4B28-92B4-6C46FFA28C28.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/42AE0D50-AE32-4B28-92B4-6C46FFA28C28.jpg.html)
More here, oh well it's only money
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/F8EE9488-B605-4322-A53F-66B9966AE6B4.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/F8EE9488-B605-4322-A53F-66B9966AE6B4.jpg.html)
Oh lordy, I'll have to sell the house to pay for this
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/82955F3A-96A7-4498-A416-46DEF1CB1B94.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/82955F3A-96A7-4498-A416-46DEF1CB1B94.jpg.html)
Ah man might aswell get rid of this, too much money to save it
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/8D9411FE-C644-4B12-86A5-14EE0C4967A8.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/8D9411FE-C644-4B12-86A5-14EE0C4967A8.jpg.html)
Atleast this bit's ok, still i'll throw thousands at it, not like I can actually use it to anywhere near it's potential anyway, might buy another 5 sets of suspension before I decide the best ones to have aswell just cos I've got money to burn.
Went to see the boys at Modus, another place I've thrown thousands of pointless pounds.
I was so offended when I saw this
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/25D3A02E-0960-49C7-917E-211315ED8C6F.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/25D3A02E-0960-49C7-917E-211315ED8C6F.jpg.html)
I blacked it out
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/57D39E9C-3E23-4420-B37C-765D10AFEB14.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/57D39E9C-3E23-4420-B37C-765D10AFEB14.jpg.html)
How very dare they, no blowers here thankyou very much.
Slicks also arrived, I've had to buy another set of wheels to put them on too, yep you guessed it, more money.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/4273D195-0D96-468B-BB67-C02BAA0E9766.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/4273D195-0D96-468B-BB67-C02BAA0E9766.jpg.html)
I took the car down to see my sister's new house, made this crisp sandwich
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/4fe437c0-e740-477d-9507-9f925f520d86.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/4fe437c0-e740-477d-9507-9f925f520d86.jpg.html)
Dissapointed with the N but as this isn't a progression, I ate it.
Love the sandwich... You're my hero x
Love the sandwich... You're my hero x
I was impressed with my subtle sarcasm but I guess you can't please everyone!!!
turbojolt
19-07-16, 08:21 AM
Do you know who invented the sandwich....
Do you know who invented the sandwich....
Enlighten me?!?
Thought you'd of tried to get a cleaner shell?
Thought you'd of tried to get a cleaner shell?
Weirdly, this one is completely rust free in all the right places!! The front turrets are solid, the rear chassis legs are solid, the rear inner arches are also solid, one outer arch is solid, the other is just starting to crust away.
This
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/F8EE9488-B605-4322-A53F-66B9966AE6B4.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/F8EE9488-B605-4322-A53F-66B9966AE6B4.jpg.html)
Is all the result of a poor battery tray repair, Ben seems happy enough with what he's got to work with, pronouncing it "solid in all the right places"
It'll be alright!! wire wheel and a some kurust and she'll be right!!!
Mxcrazy
19-07-16, 04:20 PM
Doesnt seem too bad that, makes me realise how good the shell i have is, and also how good the last shell i had was too before i moved it on though.
Fongers crossed my 'plan' comes about and project 'fibreglass shell' will end up in the making. Id only ever have to worry about rot on the first half of the floor pan, the bulkhead, and inner wings then.
turbojolt
19-07-16, 04:53 PM
Bought not built what a waste of money. You suck!
Doesnt seem too bad that, makes me realise how good the shell i have is, and also how good the last shell i had was too before i moved it on though.
Fongers crossed my 'plan' comes about and project 'fibreglass shell' will end up in the making. Id only ever have to worry about rot on the first half of the floor pan, the bulkhead, and inner wings then.
The shell I have now is rust free, however the roof skin replacement is beginning to annoy me, half cage is rubbish, I can't be bothered to cut the cage out and put a new one in. It's easier to start again and try and get it as right as possible from the start
Bought not built what a waste of money. You suck!
I know, don't worry though I've got 1000's to throw at it!!
On to today, I didn't think it was hot enough, so I fired up the grinder and welder to play around with this.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/5DA3C730-E021-463E-A856-09552C1C5A51.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/5DA3C730-E021-463E-A856-09552C1C5A51.jpg.html)
It's a nice .5 litre catch can but it's got M16x1.5 inlets allowing me to use AN8 fittings as shown earlier for my breather system.
First up, something to mount it on
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/547E092E-4685-437C-84B5-3033C0F3A022.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/547E092E-4685-437C-84B5-3033C0F3A022.jpg.html)
Then adjust the hose that used to go direct to atmosphere to meet up with inlet 1, Then hose 2, the outlet with a nice 90 degree on it down to atmosphere
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/DB96FB78-5B56-4084-9888-E8F7620F1333.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/DB96FB78-5B56-4084-9888-E8F7620F1333.jpg.html)
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/7B1226E1-7E93-4A22-96BD-FC69D65BB06F.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/7B1226E1-7E93-4A22-96BD-FC69D65BB06F.jpg.html)
Find somewhere nice for the outlet to sit, will run to the rear of the car once the new shell is done, to keep it away from any tyres!!!
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/C3A8FA3A-1100-4EB3-8985-C4D953404C55.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/C3A8FA3A-1100-4EB3-8985-C4D953404C55.jpg.html)
Happy enough with that, decent progression from what it used to be, all part of the fun!!
Ah ok over the rust and nice tidy job with the catch tank.
I love the oil lines unions etc. Look proper. That will have to go on the new engine.
tidy work mate, looking good.
I love the oil lines unions etc. Look proper. That will have to go on the new engine.
Yep, all a mock up now for the new shell
tidy work mate, looking good.
Thanks mate, not as tidy as yours!!
4 wheel alignment and slick slick fitment ready for Bedford on 1st August!!
Passat needs a clutch too, started slipping whilst towing the trailer on the way home from Billing!! Ball bags!!
Nothing too exciting this week, been busy working at Next in Doncaster, lovely job!!!!!
Got this ordered as since fitting the new seat I wasn't happy with the steering wheel being so far away
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/610565E6-28FF-435A-9382-B74B5DD17230.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/610565E6-28FF-435A-9382-B74B5DD17230.jpg.html)
It's a 35mm spacer, could probably have done with a 50 or even a 60 but it feels so much better than before.
Without having to take the dash out to weld braces in to the column mounts I added these little fellas that I had in the gash box.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/3B720B0D-4387-4C7B-9131-8A02E01FDC68.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/3B720B0D-4387-4C7B-9131-8A02E01FDC68.jpg.html)
New shell will have a completely custom column so this has become a test bed for wheel position, the Tilton floor mount pedal box will be on an adjustable plate to allow for some tinkering, but I'm really happy with how far away from the seat the pedals and wheel are at present so will try to replicate that with some adjustment.
Shamelessly stole this from Dar (with his permission), after ordering one batch too big I got the second lot spot on.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/A70DC568-CA1E-4260-9F08-533E8674B1DB.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/A70DC568-CA1E-4260-9F08-533E8674B1DB.jpg.html)
Bit of a pain to bend but looks trick!!
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/C15071DB-C980-4896-9A58-F58558BC1A38.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/C15071DB-C980-4896-9A58-F58558BC1A38.jpg.html)
Quick trip to the chippy to check it was working!!
Also got my new, second hand, Michy slicks fitted to the new set of Cesaros I picked up Friday, they along with the orange ones will be off for powder coat soon.
Whilst removing the 888's I noticed the rears were "rolling the tread" (can't think of a better way to describe it) on half the inside of both wheels, it seems that the inner half of the tyre is barely in contact with the track, after speaking to those that know, we need more rear camber. Cue some Eibach rear camber adjusters on order!!
Hoping for 4 wheel alignment Saturday morning, then Bedford Monday, first time out on slick slick.
Oh and on a side note, golden flecks in this evening's oil change!!! Poor old girl is starting to have had enough!!!!
turbojolt
23-07-16, 10:51 PM
Can't you get more rear camber with a bunch of penny washers on the stub axel. Ghetto vw style
What's up with normal spilt pins?
TallDave
24-07-16, 10:41 AM
What's up with normal spilt pins?
We all know that Mr House, as a dedicated member of Team Shonky, just loves to get his hands dirty and change the odd hub or driveshaft/CV on their track day outings. This little tweek save oh seconds, also it looks cool....
As for the new shell, it is going to be interesting to see just how much corrosion is hiding under the underseal, anyone running a sweepstake on just how bad it will be lol
What's up with normal spilt pins?
Nothing at all, just another thing to forget to put in the track-day box!! Plus the SS pins are actually lighter!!
We all know that Mr House, as a dedicated member of Team Shonky, just loves to get his hands dirty and change the odd hub or driveshaft/CV on their track day outings. This little tweek save oh seconds, also it looks cool....
As for the new shell, it is going to be interesting to see just how much corrosion is hiding under the underseal, anyone running a sweepstake on just how bad it will be lol
You know me Mr Tall, every millisecond counts!! When you spend aslong as we do in the pits, anything you can do to reduce that time helps!!
As for the new shell, to be fair, we poked, prodded and peeled a fair bit of underseal at Craig's unit and uncovered most of the worst of it.
As for the sweepstake, I'll put £10 in that it costs me 3 more days work!!!
TallDave
24-07-16, 11:45 AM
New shell will have a completely custom column so this has become a test bed for wheel position, the Tilton floor mount pedal box will be on an adjustable plate to allow for some tinkering, but I'm really happy with how far away from the seat the pedals and wheel are at present so will try to replicate that with some adjustment.
Err sneaking this one in under the radar, go on then just which one of the Tilton units are you going for, quite fancy the underfoot cylinder version myself...
Oh and on a side note, golden flecks in this evening's oil change!!! Poor old girl is starting to have had enough!!!!
Remember the coversation about dry sumping that was had ten pages or so back? Might be time to reconsider that one before the shell prep gets going full steam, might be a good idea to notch out the off side chassis rail to make room for it, afterall it won't cost too much more than the Tilton pedal box (complete with all its the ancillary schizzle)...:d
As for having a contingency of three days pay for the shell prep, just how much are you earning...:eek:
Err sneaking this one in under the radar, go on then just which one of the Tilton units are you going for, quite fancy the underfoot cylinder version myself...
Remember the coversation about dry sumping that was had ten pages or so back? Might be time to reconsider that one before the shell prep gets going full steam, might be a good idea to notch out the off side chassis rail to make room for it, afterall it won't cost too much more than the Tilton pedal box (complete with all its the ancillary schizzle)...:d
As for having a contingency of three days pay for the shell prep, just how much are you earning...:eek:
The 600 series as Craig has, with stubby cylinders, I looked at the reverse pedal box but we're concerned it'll add too much height, we might look again, see how it all looks.
I remember said convo!! I need to have a think, engine wont be going in for a while, so I've still got time, chassis rail cut out is doable.
As for my daily earinings................... ;););)
Looks like the smallblock is coming to play with team Shonky on Monday ,does this mean I will qualify for a team Shonky sticker
I'll bring a sticker but you need a mechanical failure to earn it!
I'm a little concerned about drive by noise testing at bedford. Hopefully we'll be ok.
Looks like the smallblock is coming to play with team Shonky on Monday ,does this mean I will qualify for a team Shonky sticker
This is real news!!!! Can't wait!!
I'll bring a sticker but you need a mechanical failure to earn it!
I'm a little concerned about drive by noise testing at bedford. Hopefully we'll be ok.
I'm sure if today is anything to go by the mechanical failure will not be a problem ,my exhaust will be fine ,I'm hoping my airbox will keep the induction down ,does anybody know where the meters are 😀
This is real news!!!! Can't wait!!
Hopefully be a good day ,will have to grab a passenger ride with you and Iain , I want to see what a nova with torque feels like ��
Hopefully be a good day ,will have to grab a passenger ride with you and Iain , I want to see what a nova with torque feels like ��
no drama, I'll get the belts back in!!!
Well, good Saturday afternoon to everyone!!!
Few bits of action today.
Split pins replaced with an idea most shamelessly stolen from Dar!!
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/B1C1761F-5102-4CD9-BB44-B9731AED0FAC.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/B1C1761F-5102-4CD9-BB44-B9731AED0FAC.jpg.html)
So off to the local 4 wheel alignment place SE Tyres in Tunbridge Wells, up on the ramps, we all know the drill!!
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/5B9C44AA-9CAB-40B0-A6D4-5DF8FD685970.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/5B9C44AA-9CAB-40B0-A6D4-5DF8FD685970.jpg.html)
All setup, calibrated then caster, balls bags too low, quick fix
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/69D65BEB-4325-41E7-905E-CCF019190AC0.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/69D65BEB-4325-41E7-905E-CCF019190AC0.jpg.html)
I knew that the removable front bumper would come in useful and after everyone said it was pointless!!!!!
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/3AD3A9DD-10B0-48F8-BB12-220D2FA8C150.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/3AD3A9DD-10B0-48F8-BB12-220D2FA8C150.jpg.html)
WOW, we've got issues!!!!!!
Alas, it was the left rear wheel sensor, it had dropped off the wheel, cos I took it with the 888's on it wasn't easy for the clamps to hold on, next time I'll need to take it on the rainsports, it'll help the clamps grip.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/F95B81C5-68EB-4E1B-930C-F25EBBCEB384.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/F95B81C5-68EB-4E1B-930C-F25EBBCEB384.jpg.html)
With some cable ties helping the clamps hold the gauge on, BOOM, we had some figures to work with
Quite pleased with the camber and castor, I simply set the bottom arms and tie bars to exactly the same length when I fitted, shell must be reasonably straight!!
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/8CE1172B-61B3-4A04-AFD5-127769B0038E.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/8CE1172B-61B3-4A04-AFD5-127769B0038E.jpg.html)
Rather happy with the results, I know I could get more, I know it's not the best setup ever, but it feels really good and the max adjustment possible, whilst for some is amazing it possibly isn't the best set-up for me so, we're gonna see how this gets on!!
When I got home I had a look at the rear camber.
It's quite easy to fit the spacers, you look at the chart and see what you want to do.
in my case, rear left needed 0°.33' of camber and 0° toe in adjustment, found that on the chart and set the disc accordingly, punched the holes out, Robert's your fathers uncle.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/FE876A29-8FAA-45C2-BCC7-ED22FDBF0E7B.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/FE876A29-8FAA-45C2-BCC7-ED22FDBF0E7B.jpg.html)
Rear right needed a little more thinking about to try and match it to the rear left.
I needed to get camber from -0°.37' to -1°.45' or as close as possible, an addition of 1°.08' of negative camber.
Toe needed to go from 0°.15 to 0°.12 or as close as possible, a subtraction of 0°.03' of positive toe/toe in.
So looking at the sheet, I could add 1°.06 of negative camber getting me to 1°.43' of negative camber and I could add 0°.04' of negative toe which should get me to 0°.11' of poositive toe/toe in.
All bolted in, bolts torqued to 15% over specs as per Haynes manual and instructions from the spacers.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/5A5536E5-308C-463B-8F2B-9A24535B24F8.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/5A5536E5-308C-463B-8F2B-9A24535B24F8.jpg.html)
There we have it, just need to pop back to get it on the machine again to check we've gone the right way
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/80B09DA5-AE1D-4A89-A1FF-A437E6701F25.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/80B09DA5-AE1D-4A89-A1FF-A437E6701F25.jpg.html)
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/B8CD86C8-6326-43DF-8149-C362C8792669.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/B8CD86C8-6326-43DF-8149-C362C8792669.jpg.html)
Sure looks better, next up, secondary rear ARB and some rear beam bracing to prevent un-wanted toe.
Bedford Monday!!!!!
Edit to add
Had fun on the 888's in a torrential downpour, biblical downpour!!
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/FC386397-4DFC-41DA-B568-B776E21C5ECE.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/FC386397-4DFC-41DA-B568-B776E21C5ECE.jpg.html)
So.................
Today we went to Bedford Autodrome GT Circuit. Massive track 3.8 miles!!!
Busy 88 cars signed on!!
Lots of road cars out for a fun day
Slicks were awesome, suspension settings near perfect, tyre temps were good, camber was near perfect, brake were crap.
Alcons maybe...................
That is all.
8valve-craig
01-08-16, 09:23 PM
Happy for you, any Nova being used in anger is fine by me. My geo is quite different to your's but it's all personal preference.
What callipers, discs and pads are you using?
RallyMarshal
02-08-16, 07:41 AM
Alcons maybe...................
That is all.
What are you running now?
Until this year, Ive used ATE 16v calipers with good pads and 285mm discs and with a bias box theyre very good. Ive now gone to APs on the same one-piece disks but for track use, the older setup would have been very good anyway.
Paul..
Happy for you, any Nova being used in anger is fine by me. My geo is quite different to your's but it's all personal preference.
What callipers, discs and pads are you using?
Thanks Craig, I was having a lot of problems getting the power down out of the low speed corner, especially when turning left, not sure why, Iain reported the same. So I don't know if that's a setup issue or the slicks being off.
As for brakes, hi-spec show calipers!! From their billet 4 range, with some sort of re-drilled ford cossie disc and CL RC6 pads.
what specifically about the brakes was "crap"?
RC6's are epic so thats not the problem lol
They worked early on, pedal travel got progressively more the hotter they got, at high speed the wheel wobble when braking was atrocious, when looking closer at the calipers, the pads have again worn at the top more than the bottom so they're now heavily angled almost like the top piston pushes more than the bottom.
The passenger side when looked at with the wheels off and the pedal pumped was flexing the disc and pushing it out, so it's almost like the outside set of Pistons weren't applying pressure to the disc, this would explain the wobble.
The passenger side is also the caliper that took all the heat when the wheel failed at Mallory so that may have knackered it.
Bottom line is I'm discovering that Hi-Spec for show, Alcon/AP for go, or stop in this case!!
Lo-Spec calipers are most definately NOT for use, at all :(
What may have happened is the fluid boiled (RC6's do dump heat into the caliper savagely) and either nailed the seals or caused a localised bubbly area so the inner pistons did their job and the outers didnt.
Also sounds like the discs may have uneven transfer layer now :(
for the "cheaps" test (becuase you spend too much :p ) you could lob on some 288's or something similar with RC5 or 6 pads (or even Mintex 1155's) then try again.
RallyMarshal
02-08-16, 12:34 PM
I use the same discs - 285mm redrilled Cossie disks although I had a machine shop to do mine from std ones
Assuming those discs arent warped then a proper clean up / light skim will work on them.
Use spacer brackets to mount the ATE calipers at 285mm instead of 256mm (or use V6 calipers with a spacer to inboard them a bit but those are heavier) then decent pads and decent fluid - Ive used all sorts but Motul RBF600 or RBF660 are both good.
I use Mintex F4R pads which are very good. I didnt get on with DS3000s as they didnt take the heat and started smoking badly.
Paul..
Loving all the camber and toe fun. That photo makes it look like you still have alot tho, Or is that what you wanted.
Track day work sounds great.
I have exactly the same issues ,along with a few people I race with ,I wonder if the floor mounted box contributes. My fellow races swear by using the wilwood residual pressure valves , I haven't tried them myself but will if a proper bleeding session doesn't resolve the issue .As an aside it happened with both cheap Compbrake calipers and an AP caliper !
You can't get even faster as that will just embarrass Iain more .It was good to meet you boys yesterday ,you two have got it sorted and seem to have a right good laugh !
Benn, I was trying to achieve 1.5 degrees on the rear, and even the toe out a bit which is what I've achieved I think!!
Mr Mex, as you know great to meet you and the big fella, and then watch you dissapear into the distance on cold tyres!!! I'm gonna need a bigger boat!!!
It's all about having a laugh, nothing too serious, Iain is a bit upset that I seemed to be able to maintain a gap in front of him!! I haven't got the heart to tell him I was lifting and coasting a lot and I weigh 40 kilos more than him!! Hahaha
Ah ok, And you did it better than i did, i used shims.
So, my videos a gash, need to sort something with the camera, can only see action in the car!!
Just a random lap, mostly happy to see I keep my hands at 9-3 on the wheel at almost all times and you can see my feet on the pedals through the gap on the seat and my terrible attempts at heel and toe!!!
https://youtu.be/mge-81d7RXY
I would say your brake issue lays mostly with the Calipers, we ran the same on the Corsa at Bedford funnily enough and Ben will tell you how much of a pain they were. We then went onto the Alcons but had to mess about with modded bells and brackets so they would fit but those now combined with the hockly pedal box and AP cylinders had been fine until her last outing.
The RS4-2 started to pickup on the rotors causing a heavy vibration so I've had the rotors skimmed and switched to a rs29 pad, I'll add some brake cooling as I've now painted the discs with temp paint and I expect they're generally just getting too hot as its quite fast on full power and it's not that light really.
I use performance friction 665 fluid in everything these days and I do highly rate the rs29 pad tbh. One thing I have been warned of is changing pad type without skimming the discs, that can also cause all manner of issues.
I had this kit done last year as a substitute for the Alcons. There are other Caliper options now but that's quite a good size Caliper and does fit inside a MO
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Thanks for the input Mr J, Iain, Ben, Craig, Paul and I have discussed it, there are several routes to try.
ATE calipers with spacer brackets 283 discs and Frodo or CL pads £100-150 - less braking but maybe more reliable,
Recon current hi spec road calipers £200-250 - evidently not up to the job
Try hi-specs track calipers £400 - better spec, leading and trailing pistons, external link pipes, look a better caliper
Purchase a set of Alcons or AP's £1800-2000 including brackets, then hope they fit without too much mucking around
It's all a bit of guesswork really, I'd be happy with 15% less braking but knowing it was there 100% of the time.
I'm not sure I can justify the Alcons or AP's just yet, I love spending money but it's a lot, I think I'll possibly try the Hi-spec track caliper, my reasoning, I've to spend £250 getting my current calipers re-furbed and fixed, the passenger caliper body will be written off after the wheel fiasco at Mallory it is rather damaged, so essentially the track calipers will only be £150 to try and I'll bin off the road spec ones. If I still have no joy then I'm going to have to bite the bullet on some Alcons.
One thing we are changing is a switch to rear discs and moving the brake balance back to maybe try 25% braking on the rear, at the moment we're pretty much fully forward, which isn't helping.
I wouldn't advise buying another set of hi specs, that really is false economy. The Alcon AP route is expensive but worthwhile but for now just work with what you have.
Why have you got the brakes biased so far forward? If the fronts are doing all the work you will over heat them and suffer plenty of issues.
lospec for a reason graham.....
8valve-craig
06-08-16, 03:34 PM
I get a full race out of my cheapo Wilwoods and off the shelf 276mm Mini cooper discs most of the time. Rc6 up front and Corsa C brakes / cheap pads in the rear.
They started fading a bit at Rockingham, but not enough to be thinking about a £2k upgrade just yet.
BRoadGhost
06-08-16, 03:38 PM
I bought 2nd hand brembo calipers off an Alfa GTV & combined them with VXR8 disks ~ even with whatever pads they came with (probably o.e) it's not shy.
The technicalities of it are; when the master cylinder(s) are lower than the caliper they're acting on, the natural flow is for the fluid to come back down. Hence why people put the residuals on; I didn't plan for this when I did it, but it's one of the few pluses with under dash pedal box has since it's above what's being acted upon.
Glad you've upped your steering technique & it's probably ISO setting on your camera. Are your seat mounts alright..?
lospec for a reason graham.....
There was no need do that Stewart
I wouldn't advise buying another set of hi specs, that really is false economy. The Alcon AP route is expensive but worthwhile but for now just work with what you have.
Why have you got the brakes biased so far forward? If the fronts are doing all the work you will over heat them and suffer plenty of issues.
Completely agree with the brake bias!!! not sure why it's all the way forward!! have just wound it back 8 turns and road tested feels a lot better!!! something to play with on track, need to get my rear beam, with discs on, it's being sorted now, should be ready for Blyton.
I get a full race out of my cheapo Wilwoods and off the shelf 276mm Mini cooper discs most of the time. Rc6 up front and Corsa C brakes / cheap pads in the rear.
They started fading a bit at Rockingham, but not enough to be thinking about a £2k upgrade just yet.
Mate, I couldn't buy the Alcons even if I wanted to, as discussed with you, Paul and Iain, a better option would be ATE's on 283's with RC5 or 6's, I've just played around with the pads on the hi-specs, moving them around to try and balance the wear, as above I've wound the balance to the rear 8 turns, 12 produced rear locking but 8 seemed ok on the road, might be able to go to 10 with warm slicks. Fluid change up front then I'll see how I get on at Blyton, Iain says it's easy on brakes so we'll see, Paul is bringing a complete ATE setup so worst case we can throw those on if mine are terrible.
I bought 2nd hand brembo calipers off an Alfa GTV & combined them with VXR8 disks ~ even with whatever pads they came with (probably o.e) it's not shy.
The technicalities of it are; when the master cylinder(s) are lower than the caliper they're acting on, the natural flow is for the fluid to come back down. Hence why people put the residuals on; I didn't plan for this when I did it, but it's one of the few pluses with under dash pedal box has since it's above what's being acted upon.
Glad you've upped your steering technique & it's probably ISO setting on your camera. Are your seat mounts alright..?
What tracks have you used your setup on?? On the road I've never had a problem with the brakes, they've been spot on, as soon as it's subjected to track use it struggles.
I don't get this, the fluid is under constant pressure from the reservoir,, if you loosen the bleed nipple then the fluid flows out of the caliper under gravity from the reservoir fluid, I can't see how the caliper can possibly exert enough gravity force to cause fluid to flow backwards to the M/c, the fluid in the reservoir is always clean where as the first 6 inches of fluid bled from the calipers after a day is grey. I really can't see this as the issue, the fluid itself may be boiling in the caliper causing a terrible pedal.
Steering technique is a lot better, ISO settings are set for daylight, it's only a cheap camera probably the problem. Seat mounts are 100% solid as, 40x40 box onto proper alloy seat mounts, can only assume it's flex in the fiberglass seat, I am 110 kilos after all!!!
BRoadGhost
06-08-16, 06:23 PM
I'd love to try a trackday, but have to settle for development on the road time being.
Could it be the fluid itself; are you on a Dot 5? Fluid isn't under constant pressure from the MC else you'd have brakes that bind. If I had to guess it sounds like something inside the caliper has cooked if the fluid's discoloured.
Maybe consider some ducting to the inside of your front wheels?
I'd love to try a trackday, but have to settle for development on the road time being.
Could it be the fluid itself; are you on a Dot 5? Fluid isn't under constant pressure from the MC else you'd have brakes that bind. If I had to guess it sounds like something inside the caliper has cooked if the fluid's discoloured.
Maybe consider some ducting to the inside of your front wheels?
There's no way to compare braking on the road to the track, as said, on the road I've never had a problem with braking, yet as soon as I'm on track the problems arise, the constant heat generated is the problem, as Craig has suggested maybe I need to do 3-4 hot laps and a cooling lap, I don't want to do this but it's cheaper than £2000 for Alcons!!!
I have not said the fluid was under constant pressure from the M/c!!! I said it's under gravity pressure from the reservoir, therefore, the fact the calipers are higher than the pedal box has no bearing, the fluid flows with gravity, the fluid flows under gravity from the reservoir to the calipers, as stated, if you undo a bleed nipple then all the fluid will flow out of the caliper from the reservoir. I know, I've done it!!! It 100% does not flow back to the M/c.
Ducting is an interesting idea, Iain tried it with no real benefit. It's something to consider but would need some real thought, just a pipe wont work, it will need to narrow at the disc/caliper to speed the air up and maximise cooling.
How was Bedford? Did you both get in ok with noise regs on fly by?
I'd agree with looking at ap or alcons as an upgrade, I don't rate my hispec show calipers and one of the next upgrades
How was Bedford? Did you both get in ok with noise regs on fly by?
I'd agree with looking at ap or alcons as an upgrade, I don't rate my hispec show calipers and one of the next upgrades
It's a huge track mate!! Like massive 3.8 miles long, bit of a weird setup with how the garages and pit lane work.
Track seems to flow well, it's so wide that you can really go get on the power so early and use the huge exits!!
As for noise we were both completely fine, Iain said he was lifting off when he saw the meter, I didn't give it a second thought, just drove!! At one point after 4-5 laps of me pushing Iain round the track they gave us a "spread out" board, which we assume was for noise reasons as they don't normally mind us following each other!! I backed off and gave Iain 200 metres then set about catching him again!!
Hi-specs are show calipers, no doubt, I didn't realise they do a "track" spec caliper with external link pipe and different seals, I'd maybe have tried those first. As it stands I've played around with the bias and will be using a disc rear beam for Blyton, I'll also have Paul's spare calipers, ATE's with spacers to run the hi-spec 283 discs, should mine end up ruining the day.
Got bored watching cricket, easily done.
Made a start on these.
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Just some thin 1mm plastic, cost me £14 delivered, made up some simple templates and cut them out, not perfect, but better than what was there and better than spending £350 on proper carbon ones.
Don't look as wrinkly in real life!!
turbojolt
07-08-16, 08:14 PM
I dislike this whole build thread miles to many people happy with you and the work done to the car.
I would like to knock you down a peg or to by pointing out you are a gay.
Thank-you
you are a gay.
And you told me you didn't want people to know about us after the other night?!? Now you're telling the world!!! Make your mind up!!
turbojolt
07-08-16, 08:21 PM
Ffs loose lips sink ships
paul james
07-08-16, 09:40 PM
Just some thin 1mm plastic, cost me £14 delivered, made up some simple templates and cut them out, not perfect, but better than what was there and better than spending £350 on proper carbon ones.
Don't look as wrinkly in real life!!
Hey stop showing up those of us who waste money on carbon fibre!
Got a link for the plastic? I might have to copy your idea
Hey stop showing up those of us who waste money on carbon fibre!
Got a link for the plastic? I might have to copy your idea
Thanks mate, it's not so great up close but looks better than the gaping holes!!
https://www.cutplasticsheeting.co.uk/polypropylene-sheeting/black-polypropylene
1mm stuff, cuts with wallpaper scissors!! Make a proper card template up and space and mark out all the holes or it'll look as crap as mine!!
Glad my tip on the plastic helped ;)
If you wanted to go AP calipers, you can go the MG route, as you can get them off Ebay for good prices, then a lil hole enlarging and finding some discs and your on...
Where are the chasing IaIn videos????
Where are the chasing IaIn videos????
errr you'll have to ask Iain where his "chasing House" vids are, as once I was Infront he couldn't catch me!!!
No evidence my go pro got lost what a shame
No evidence my go pro got lost what a shame
And I'm sure if the videos had shown you embarrassingly faster than me then we'd be seeing them, now the shoe is on the other foot it seems someone had some sour grapes for tea.
Trims look pretty tidy mate, like you said saves some ££. Nice to hear you was ok at Bedford, I may have to try another day then as its right on my door step. I'm off to snett next Wednesday so fingers crossed mine will perform well after all the recent changes. Booked it quite late otherwise I'd have sent you a message mate
Trims look pretty tidy mate, like you said saves some ££. Nice to hear you was ok at Bedford, I may have to try another day then as its right on my door step. I'm off to snett next Wednesday so fingers crossed mine will perform well after all the recent changes. Booked it quite late otherwise I'd have sent you a message mate
I couldn't have made it mate!! I'm really up against it at the moment!! Running all over the country!!!
I like Snett, though I've only done it in the wet, I like the way it flows
keep us updated!!
Oh and Mallory 2nd Sept???
8valve-craig
11-08-16, 09:50 PM
Get it booked.
I couldn't have made it mate!! I'm really up against it at the moment!! Running all over the country!!!
I like Snett, though I've only done it in the wet, I like the way it flows
keep us updated!!
Oh and Mallory 2nd Sept???
Will do!
Might struggle for Sep, first little one is due on the 7th. Sure there will be plenty more
Nothing major, took the dog for a drive!!
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He didn't like it!!
Cos I got bored of waiting for hi-spec, took my discs with me to the Phirm and while they were sorting the clutch on the Passat which was completely fubar, both plates on the centre had moved round on the rivets and were loose!! Paul said he couldn't believe it hadn't ripped itself apart!! Alll good now!!
Got the lathe on the go and made some mods to my spare discs
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Should help them clear the knuckles and caliper mounts!! They're almost brand new so now they're spares.
Bled my brakes again and rotated the pads to help even out the wear.
Need to cool the brakes somehow so I'm looking into some proper ducting!! At Bedford once I was back at the pits discs (on the laser temp sensor) were 330 degrees c plus and calipers 280, so RBF has a dry boiling point of 312 degrees c, I'm thinking that if my discs were that hot after a cool down half lap they must be nearly 400 degreees in use. Ergo we need some brake cooling.
Lucky the spigot ring didn't come out....
Lucky the spigot ring didn't come out....
Why would it?!?
Me no crazy!! held it on the outside!! The little pressed in ally spigot scared me!!! haha
BRoadGhost
13-08-16, 09:36 PM
That's one unimpressed lab :(
That's one unimpressed lab :(
He's a GR cross Lab, only 5 months old so still learning!! but either way he's proper un-impressed!!! hahaha
AndrewC
14-08-16, 11:47 PM
Dear Mr House...posted you and Iain a question on my thread. Possible day off on the 2nd Sept to do either Rockingham or Mallory? If you are doing Mallory would you mind if I joined you...would be my projects first outing...
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Dear Mr House...posted you and Iain a question on my thread. Possible day off on the 2nd Sept to do either Rockingham or Mallory? If you are doing Mallory would you mind if I joined you...would be my projects first outing...
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Get it booked my friend!! We'll be at Mallory from around 7.30am
We'll be at Mallory from around 7.30am
Might pop down later in the day to say "Go Team Shonky go go go" as have my motor in for mapping in the morning with the new fuelling stuff on. Hopefully it'll be given a clean bill of health before we all hit Blyton on 18th Sep. I hope you're camping on the Sat evening at Blyton as I want a hug before bedtime.
I've always got a hug for you Harvey!!!
So a few experiments have been going on in preparation for Mallory on 2nd and Blyton on 18th.
Brake temps have been boiling fluid, so attempt at some cooling.
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Just need to make a plate to mount to the caliper bracket, it's directed into the vanes of the disc, could work, worth a go atleast, just need to repeat it on the passenger side. Clears the wheel easily and it's as direct as I could get it, with as few bends as possible.
Few other things have gone on, bolt check all round and standard track day prep.
Sneak pics of the new rear disc beam
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Postman pat van rear discs and calipers, beam ready for the ARB to be mounted on and a few other little extra bits and bobs. Might even work!!
Roll on Mallory, looking forward to this one!! 4 novas on track!!
The vx folks have used a plate with ducting to blow air into the vanes with a modicum of success. Sadly they aren't made anymore so it's not off the shelf
The vx folks have used a plate with ducting to blow air into the vanes with a modicum of success. Sadly they aren't made anymore so it's not off the shelf
Fear not, I shall retire to my love dungeon and construct a little something, will be easy enough and I'm sure the caliper mounting bracket can take an M6 bolt tapped into it to hold it. That's this weekend's job.
Having looked at a lot of brake cooling option (pictures) I think this will be a decent option.
nice welds on the rear beam! did put some extra camber on it?
are you gonna leave the crank pulley like that(2 bolts..)?
nice welds on the rear beam! did put some extra camber on it?
are you gonna leave the crank pulley like that(2 bolts..)?
Rear beam has been squared in both planes, camber and toe, adjustment will be made with Ezi Shims and toe stability will be achieved with some rather special additions!! And I wish I could take the credit on the welds, sadly not!! They've been done by someone who can actually weld!!!
Alternator pulley has 3 bolts in it mate, it's been that way since I built it 18 months ago!! New engine has been fully drilled with 6 though.
Looking good ,it will be interesting to see how you get on with your brakes ,I have a suspicion that my braking issues are more rear related than front ,what rear discs and calipers are you useing ?
you are gonna use the volkswagenmotorsport setup for the toe stability on the rear axle then? i want to make my own axle like that, so love to see what you will do with yours
that pulley has 6 bolts in an strange pattern, if you move the disc arount you will see that it will fit on all six bolts ;)
8valve-craig
22-08-16, 09:26 PM
My next job is a rear beam like Ben's too, it's a great mod. Just got slightly more pressing matters at the moment so it keeps going onto the back burner.
Looking good ,it will be interesting to see how you get on with your brakes ,I have a suspicion that my braking issues are more rear related than front ,what rear discs and calipers are you useing ?
Combo van mate, Ben has played around with it all so it only adds a total of 5mm rear track so should work, needs new discs and pads and caliper re-furb, but should be all in place for Blyton, I was getting rear drum temps of 130 on the road and now the rears are binding slightly so it's all due an upgrade!!
you are gonna use the volkswagenmotorsport setup for the toe stability on the rear axle then? i want to make my own axle like that, so love to see what you will do with yours
that pulley has 6 bolts in an strange pattern, if you move the disc arount you will see that it will fit on all six bolts ;)
Ben has this in hand, it's a lovely mod, apparently the beams suffer with unwanted rear toe changes in corners so it'll be nice to eliminate that, as for the pulley, I tried it every which way but loose, if I could have got all 6 bolts in then all 6 bolts would be in!!
My next job is a rear beam like Ben's too, it's a great mod. Just got slightly more pressing matters at the moment so it keeps going onto the back burner.
Yes mate I know the feeling!! I will get down to the unit for that little job soon I promise.
millworm
22-08-16, 11:30 PM
surprised you didn't go for corsa c sri for the bolt on aspect although it's 8mm extra track and very close on my loon
We planned on the Corsa C but we couldn't find one to use in the scrapyard so Postman Pat's van will have to do!!!
Rear beam looks good. i like the brake ducting, wish i could fit a photo i saw of a really weld done set up...
Was kinda like this, but it went to the front of the caliper rather than rear.
897
http://www.vx220.org.uk/forums/topic/118137-senna-brake-cooling-kit/
No idea if you can see the content of that link, but its the important bit of the kit the VX guys used
Benn, I'm planning on something not dissimilar to that picture over the weekend.
im just not sure on how the bends will affect the air flow, I think it'll be ok. Might help a little bit
Nice sweeping curve would be good for flow...
Well now then,
Mallory Friday just gone, with Iain, Craig and Andrew, great day. No videos, couldn't be bothered!!
Brake cooling was spot on, really worked well, brake temps never above 230 once back in the pits, that included a lap of riding the brakes, followed by half a lap return to the pits.
Fluid will be changed and pads rotated as after every trackday but apart from that braking seems good, a day at Cadwell will seal the deal.
Did the first session back on the 888's as it was a little damp, they were so bad I came in after a few laps and threw the slicks on, even on them in a little dampness there was immediately more grip, slicks are awesome, really love them.
Met Jonlem, top guy, his mate took some absolutely epic pictures!!!! Yes I'm looking at the camera!!!!
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This is one of my favourite!!
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Team Shonky founding members!!! We all embarrassed a lot of people in expensive cars, including a Noble, a Cayman GTS on semi slicks who couldn't stick with us round Gerrards!!! I don't actually remember pulling over for much all day!!!! Apart from Craig who was absolutely flying, that car is quick!! Iain was also on it, posting a time within a second of Craig (albeit on slicks, compared to Craig's control tyres)
Where next, maybe squeeze a brands in as it's so close to my domicile, would like a Cadwell and the annual Team Shonky snow trip to Donnignton!!
On to the more serious business of new parts.
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I cannot put words to this, the level of engineering is beyond anything I could hope to achieve!! Real skills.
Can't wait for work to begin on the new shell, then shizzle will get proper Harry Potter's Godfather!!
Blyton on the 18th Sept with Iain and some geezers with Astras
BRoadGhost
05-09-16, 10:23 PM
Understand you'll want to strengthen the chassis leg beam mountings too now (inc the holes!)
Understand you'll want to strengthen the chassis leg beam mountings too now (inc the holes!)
Understand????
Understand, I'm not a ****, so don't write posts to me like I am. You want to write something constructive then write it in a constructive way. I don't know you, you don't know me that doesn't mean you can write things that make out I'm fucking stupid.
Starting a post with the word Understand is a fucking liberty, don't ever write to me like that again.
edit, sorry about the language mods but that has riled me.
Them beam mods are lush. Love them, like the astra/saab arb too.
Love the coilover mount, that's just what i want/NEED to do with mine, as i snapped one off.
Thanks Benn, it's all at the powder coaters now so should be back Friday but I don't think I'll get it fitted into me for Blyton. Which makes me sad!!
As for the Coilover mounts, they're absolutely spot on, can't fault Ben with his skills, he's proper amazing, if this is the standard we can expect from the new shell then I'm rather excited!!
Ooo very nice. Will look great as well as working amazing. I take it there are the toe bars from both sides? Not just one?
HE's got some nice tidy TIG welding skills too. Can't wait to see it all over the car.
Shame he doesn't sell the coilover mounts, as i'd buy a pair. I snapped one side off my beam and just to weld it back on, just after it was powder coated. Should go back and look see if it's still connected really...
Plus sure BRoad didn't mean anything in a rude way over is comment.
turbojolt
08-09-16, 04:49 PM
Understand this!!! Are these not parts for the new shell?
Thought all the new fancy stuff was being b kept for the new one
Yeah all parts for the new one, will be fitted to the red one for testing, then transferred. Was hoping to have the beam on for Blyton but I don't think I've got the time!!
Toe bracing is on both sides Benn, I'll speak to Ben about some Coilover mounts if you want? Sure he can knock you a setup easily enough.
Understand I am a **** so il start with understand lol
understand( lol) what you've done is really good and the car is improving all the time,very well done.
8valve-craig
08-09-16, 08:18 PM
Thanks for sharing House, there will always be someone who thinks they know better, but until they show their credentials they are just another troll. I don't listen to the voices, just have a good laugh in private at them.
You are out there having an awesome time and developing your car. That's all that matters.
turbojolt
08-09-16, 08:47 PM
Nice so the red one is now the R&D car
Thanks Craig and Andy, maybe I was a bit harsh but just because we talk over a keyboard doesn't mean we can dispense with politeness and respect and if someone wants us to listen to what they say about our projects, maybe they need to get their own one up so we can make comments about thiers!! I could type a massive long list of exactly how a car should be built, doesn't mean I can do it though does it!!!!!
TJ, yep red one is an R&D car, we know the tank is going back to standard position, and we've got a good idea on suspension setup now, so always learning!!
Cheers for the message over the mounts.
BRoadGhost
09-09-16, 07:33 PM
Not sure it's a troll; just trying to help with another build based on the experiences with my beam. I found that the mount points not only take extra stress on the chassis legs but the holes themselves due to the extra weight.
Not sure it's a troll; just trying to help with another build based on the experiences with my beam. I found that the mount points not only take extra stress on the chassis legs but the holes themselves due to the extra weight.
So some machined spacers welded on the outside of the holes? Maybe 3mm thick to beef that up? And I already have the Hockly rear beam mounts on this shell and will ofcourse have them on the new one.
Southie
09-09-16, 07:53 PM
Still enjoying this thread, car look brilliant;)
i hate hate typing as it never comes out as you mean, when I'm talking in person I can't shut up lol
Still enjoying this thread, car look brilliant;)
i hate hate typing as it never comes out as you mean, when I'm talking in person I can't shut up lol
Ah Mr South!! Always love your litte posts of encouragement :thumb:
Southie
09-09-16, 08:30 PM
No worries if somethings worth reading then it's worth a compliment.
TallDave
11-09-16, 12:58 AM
TJ, yep red one is an R&D car, we know the tank is going back to standard position, and we've got a good idea on suspension setup now, so always learning!!
Ah Mr House, nice to see you've calmed down a bit...lol
And finally someone has come to realise that sticking the fuel tank in the spare wheel well isn't necessarily all its cracked up to be, especially if you have to carry more than 5 litres or so (i.e. doing something other than a sprint or hill climb). Personally I've failed to see why you would move it from a point low down and between the wheels, a place that does its best to lower the CoG and reduce the polar moments (the thing that make a car easier to spin) of the car. Yes its a pain to add a tank gaurd for rallying purposes, but surely that what kevlar was invented for :d
I'm calm as a coma Mr TD!!!
I originally moved the tank to experiment with fueling issues, I was struggling with fuel starvation out of roundabouts, at the time of installing the tank there I had no intention of using the car on track or even using it in real anger, so the dynamics of having it in the boot weren't an issue. I was also looking for a way of removing the lift pump as, at the time, we thought I was suffering from fuel cavitation caused by the lift pump. A gravity fed swirl pot from a tank mounted high up made sense.
However, after discussions with Tim at the Phirm he's come up with an inline swirl pot that will allow us to go back to the original tank location and also run the lines externally aswell, all a learning process. As you correctly say the lower and closer to the middle of the car we can get the weight the less effect it will have on handling.
Personally I've failed to see why you would move it from a point low down and between the wheels, a place that does its best to lower the CoG
exactly why in all my previous builds I have stuck with this :thumb: All of my budget builds have surprised people on how they have performed, but I tend to go the opposite way to the 'general' way of thinking and do what I believe is right, not always what I get told.
BRoadGhost
11-09-16, 10:32 PM
In simple terms Talldave when you have a large engine driving the front wheels hung in front of the front axel anything replicated at the back will make for a more balanced handling car.
Aside from adding weight to prove a point, moving the fuel tank higher & further back than standard location will take weight away from the front. Polar moments are relative to roll centers; putting the back down in this configuration helps greatly too - kinda like the reverse of a 911 where the front is lower than the back.
Yes House I've damaged beam holes on mine adding some strength & weight so even 2MM thick washers welded on will make a big difference.
Well I say,
Some new little toys
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Bit of a clean up and we're looking good, need some new rotors, but the calipers, rotors and pads are in good condition.
Now I need new wheels to get them under!!
nice!
what size disks are you running?
I believe they are 295's mate, but I haven't physically seen the kit yet!!
RallyMarshal
26-09-16, 07:48 AM
They look nice :-)
Paul..
8valve-craig
26-09-16, 02:05 PM
Nice. The Hockley Alcon kit fit under my TH's, which will be for sale soon.
For the price they are and time it takes I'd recommend you fit new piston seals with the calipers bring second hand. You then at least know they'll be A1 once fitted on your motor.
Oooooo nice choice on the brakes.
Discs are approx 300mm and I don't think they'll be going under the cesaros from my quick mock up!
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Grind them off a tiny bit?
Bin the 300mm and use the 285mm Cossy 2wd with a machining fettle on the rear, we both know a man who can supply them cheap ;)
BRoadGhost
10-10-16, 10:34 PM
The design of those Alcons are near identical with a Brembo F40 caliper; you'd be amazed at what you can shave off to make them fit!
Top bombing
RallyMarshal
11-10-16, 08:00 AM
Bin the 300mm and use the 285mm Cossy 2wd with a machining fettle on the rear, we both know a man who can supply them cheap ;)
Not sure that will work without a spacer on the Cesaros for the caliper body..
Wheel change time.. Comp TH's..?
Paul..
New wheels, I'm loaded!! it's fine!!!
After long discussions with a few trusted people, I finally bit the bullet.
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Sump and tank included, just need to make the hoses and find a remote filter housing.
After long discussions with a few trusted people, I finally bit the bullet.
Sump and tank included, just need to make the hoses and find a remote filter housing.
looks nice! is this for the new car? as it requires some work on the front/chassisleg..
Any outings planned Horse? ;)
looks nice! is this for the new car? as it requires some work on the front/chassisleg..
Indeed it is, wont be attempting it on the current car, ofcourse this means some more work for my steel man, I'm sure he'll love it!!
It does mean that I can't fit the new engine into the existing shell for mapping but such is life!!
Been thinking on location for the tank we think we've got it sorted.
Team Shonky annual trip to Donnington on Saturday. Should be a laugh and a fun day out, no doubt Iain will break something as usual.
Indeed it is, wont be attempting it on the current car, ofcourse this means some more work for my steel man, I'm sure he'll love it!!
It does mean that I can't fit the new engine into the existing shell for mapping but such is life!!
Been thinking on location for the tank we think we've got it sorted.
Team Shonky annual trip to Donnington on Saturday. Should be a laugh and a fun day out, no doubt Iain will break something as usual.
i have the same problem, orderd an pace dry sump setup with the 7l tank but no idea on the location of the tank.. thinking about placing the tank inside the car on the passenger side footwell. of course with extra protection as you don't want hot oil inside the car in case of an accident lol .
are you gonna run full vacuum, or an extra breather on the valve cover?
i have the same problem, orderd an pace dry sump setup with the 7l tank but no idea on the location of the tank.. thinking about placing the tank inside the car on the passenger side footwell. of course with extra protection as you don't want hot oil inside the car in case of an accident lol .
are you gonna run full vacuum, or an extra breather on the valve cover?
We're talking about a shelf cut into the bulkhead for it to sit into, in not sure I'd want it in the passenger compartment for the reasons you say, fire being the biggest downside I can see.
I believe full vacuum but I'll talk to Craig and see what he thinks, I don't really have a clue on these things!! Haha
BRoadGhost
01-11-16, 08:10 AM
Nice 1! Yes breathers shouldn't be venting directly off the engine. IMO tank inside the car & as far back to again help balance.
Good purchase. The way you drive the current one I'm surprised it hasn't had oil pressure issues !
Tank in the bay works fine, moving it to the back is fine but it needs a proper enclosure then a fair bit of Aeroquip, fortunately it's a nasp so the engine would run sealed so no need to breathe to the tank which is one less hose to find a home for.
Good purchase. The way you drive the current one I'm surprised it hasn't had oil pressure issues !
Tank in the bay works fine, moving it to the back is fine but it needs a proper enclosure then a fair bit of Aeroquip, fortunately it's a nasp so the engine would run sealed so no need to breathe to the tank which is one less hose to find a home for.
what do you mean with nasp?
in some applications you see that the breather on the camcover is kept in place to breathe the engine. pace even has the following plumbing diagram on their website, here you can see an breatherline for the camcover:
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Naturally aspirated. Generally the engines are sealed. Turbo engines though we breathe to the tank
I wouldn't run the oil cooler on the feed either, we always fit it on the return on dry sump installations.
ok, that's interesting. as i have an turbo engine i would like to know why you would breathe an turbo engine to the tank?
I have seen different oil cooler setup's and everybody has an different opinion.. some people advise to start without an cooler as the oil temps are lower as the oil is stored in external tank etc. i don't really know what to think about it lol
My understanding is that you will get blow by on a turbo motor so it need to go somewhere so breathing back to the tank is preferred.
If the tank is in the boot the chances are you wont need a cooler but definitely monitor the temperatures, oil cooler on the pressure side can cause issues, I've seen pressure loss, oil coolers explode etc. A particular dry sump we use sees around 6-7 bar at high rpm at 100 degrees oil t, from cold it can exceed 10 bar if you raise the rpm so we had to limit the rpm until over 40 degrees.
We run a tank in the passenger footwell which holds 9 litres of oil, there is a 25 row 235mm cooler on the return line and generally in a 15 min race it's no more than 105 degrees in clear air.
Anyway for House I'd seal it, for yourself breathe from cam cover to tank then catch tank
back on topic now :)
BRoadGhost
04-11-16, 08:18 AM
On the ones I've seen the top vent on the oil tank goes to a vented catch tank right at the back underside of the car
On the ones I've seen the top vent on the oil tank goes to a vented catch tank right at the back underside of the car
like so
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The AH tank is quite nice as the breather tank is welded on the side, we just vent it through the floor
totalnova
05-11-16, 10:29 AM
Not sure I'd want that thing inside the cabin with me, I'd find a place in the bay for it, but that's me.
Its firewalled to meet regs, it's just not fitted in the pic
nova_niek
05-11-16, 12:10 PM
Nice bit of kit that tank is.
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totalnova
05-11-16, 12:42 PM
Nice bit of kit that tank is.
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Agree the whole car looks a nice bit of kit and very well put together.
Nick
Agree the whole car looks a nice bit of kit and very well put together.
Nick
https://youtu.be/rkVvMvex22g
BRoadGhost
05-11-16, 04:30 PM
Sexy time!
Appreciate all the input gents.
we are bay mounting, shelf cut into the firewall below where the wiper motor goes I believe
Appreciate all the input gents.
we are bay mounting, shelf cut into the firewall below where the wiper motor goes I believe
Good place. Not sure where I have seen that before:)
Good place. Not sure where I have seen that before:)
I couldn't possibly comment!!!
I couldn't possibly comment!!!
lol I'm glad you have gone dry sump ,was proper worried about your new engine !How was Donny?
lol I'm glad you have gone dry sump ,was proper worried about your new engine !How was Donny?
Donny was amazing, I left home at 4.30am, arrived at 7.30, briefed, signed on, slicks on, 9 am sighting laps, waiting in the pit lane to go out, over comes marshall and Colin from Javelin, sorry your car is smoking too much, we've had complaints that cars behind can't see the track, we're also worried it might explode and that's a safety issue. You can't go out.
So at 9.23 the car was back on the trailer and by 10.48 I was on the M1 on the way home.
Got in, dumped the car in the garage and went out on my bike for a bit!!
TallDave
07-11-16, 11:43 AM
Donny was amazing, I left home at 4.30am, arrived at 7.30, briefed, signed on, slicks on, 9 am sighting laps, waiting in the pit lane to go out, over comes marshall and Colin from Javelin, sorry your car is smoking too much, we've had complaints that cars behind can't see the track, we're also worried it might explode and that's a safety issue. You can't go out.
So at 9.23 the car was back on the trailer and by 10.48 I was on the M1 on the way home.
Got in, dumped the car in the garage and went out on my bike for a bit!!
Darn it that is a real bummer :cry:, still I seem to remember some chap (OK it was Jonlem) recently mentioning that he was surprised your engine had survived so long without any oil pressure issues bearing in mind the way you drove it. Though to be honest you just seemed to drive it like a track car should be, namely errr like a track car....lol
Look on the bright side, this just adds further justification to going dry sump with the new car....:thumb:
Hope you enjoye the bike ride.
I can't be held responsible lol shite day for you though House.
Donny was amazing, I left home at 4.30am, arrived at 7.30, briefed, signed on, slicks on, 9 am sighting laps, waiting in the pit lane to go out, over comes marshall and Colin from Javelin, sorry your car is smoking too much, we've had complaints that cars behind can't see the track, we're also worried it might explode and that's a safety issue. You can't go out.
So at 9.23 the car was back on the trailer and by 10.48 I was on the M1 on the way home.
Got in, dumped the car in the garage and went out on my bike for a bit!!
Shit. That's rubbish ,it wasn't smoking that bad at Bedford , hope they refunded you .time to get e new engine in? I have a dry sump tank you can borrow . I mounted it in the rear right corner of the engine bay it would be very easy to knock up a mount
This had nothing to do with oil pressure and all to do with the oval number 1 bore that was like it when I built it!!!!
To be honest I can't believe it's lasted this long!!
Engine coming out Saturday, block will be with Modus, Monday morning, re-bore, new Pistons and rings, new shells, gaskets, back together the following Saturday.
No they didn't refund me!! Haha
Get Iain to rebuild it... he will use the finest pistons he can lay his mitts on
Get Iain to rebuild it... he will use the finest pistons he can lay his mitts on
I want it to work!!
To be fair it'll be the spare engine so it's worth getting it freshened up and making it bullet proof!!!
turbojolt
07-11-16, 06:39 PM
Don't trust iain the sly bastard lol
Don't trust iain the sly bastard lol
Colin from Javelin told me it was Iain that complained about the smoke, scared I was going to be faster than him!!
turbojolt
07-11-16, 09:43 PM
Yep and he undone my starter motor at blyton. Not to be trusted
So it's been a few weeks!!
First things first, hand surgery recovery
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Operated on the 19th December was back on site on the 20th.
New driveway
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Engine out
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Engine coming apart tomorrow afternoon, down to Jay at Modus for re-bore and pistons, crank polish, new shells. Then back to me for re-build and back in the car.
This constitutes the total sum of my winter work.
Brakes are being re-furbed by BCS in Nottingham and should be back first week of March.
Will post engine internal pics once it comes apart tomorrow.
So first order of business, rugby was on, so this had to go up.
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Then
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which led to
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Bish bash bosh
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And
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So for a long time I thought I had an oval bore on number 1, however it appears that this might have been the cause.
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Looks like a broken oil control ring on number 1, all this lot is off to Jay tomorrow morning for full inspection and he'll tell me if it need a re-bore or not, with any luck as it's a spare engine it wont need a re-bore, it'll just need a set of rings and some shells and we'll be back rolling in 2 weeks time.
I'll be back with an update once I've spoken to Jay tomorrow.
Team shonky style is run a drill hone tool down it and ram a second hand piston in there. What's wrong with you?
turbojolt
05-02-17, 07:23 PM
Whole day off for surgery? You gay or something
Team shonky style is run a drill hone tool down it and ram a second hand piston in there. What's wrong with you?
Yeah run a drill down it so it smokes like a dog again once it's back together like yours!!! Plan!!
Besides once yours blows up you'll be crying your eyes out and want this engine to get your spunk coloured rust box rolling again
Whole day off for surgery? You gay or something
I am actually gay. That an issue?
Super jobbie, tinkering goodness. Up at Blyton Park all today playing with Pauls 1600cc in preparation for the rally there next week. Team Shonky will live again mon ami.
You seen our new ride click me gay boyo (https://www.vectra-c.com/forum/showthread.php?228313-The-Vectra-VXR-estate-diary).
Team shonky will ride again at brands I hope as the other queer hasn't done brands yet!!!
turbojolt
05-02-17, 10:15 PM
:edd
I am actually gay. That an issue?
Yes your keeping your hot wife off the market..lol
Good work, but why? Your shell's off getting built, new engines off getting built.
Why strip this one?
Yes your keeping your hot wife off the market..lol
Good work, but why? Your shell's off getting built, new engines off getting built.
Why strip this one?
Hahaha hot wife is off doing whatever she wants mate!!!
Cos the new shell is going to be a long long way off and I want to carry on doing days this season.
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So down at Modus today, stripped and looked at, re-bore needed, the broken ring has spent a while scoring the bore!!!
Rods and crank are absolutely fine so new pistons on order and re-bore this week
Should be back by next week
Timing will be a bit off, probably 2-3 weeks, looks like we'll have to sleeve cylinder 1 then bore it all to 86.5 as we can't find standard 87mm pistons!!
The other option is a TSV block we have in stock and bore that to 86.5 but sleeving the bore is only £200 so by the time I've messed around collecting the block from our stores the £200 is better spent sleeving and it'll be a faster turn around!!
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Looks like I caught the ring when putting the piston in. Totally my fault!!
Oil gallery plugs out to clean them out!! Proper job!!
I love looking down a mans clean gudgeon....
Good progress, keep it up.
Looks like I caught the ring when putting the piston in. Totally my fault!!
Muppet
Muppet
Yes, yes thank you!!!
Gonna get Jay to throw the bottom end together for me!! Won't cost much but they'll do a proper job!!
New shell update, booked in with the media blasters for 2 weeks time. Will be blasted and weld through etch primed, then back up to my man to get started fixing the rust and getting the cage in. Exciting times
nova_niek
08-02-17, 09:42 AM
Sweet update, love it. Assembly errors... Been there, know the feeling. 😉
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Sweet update, love it. Assembly errors... Been there, know the feeling. [emoji6]
It happens mate, I'm not a professional, what annoys me is I do remember catching a ring and thought I checked it, evidently not!!!
New shell update
My good supplier got me a set of these to replace the ones with the Alcon kit
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I love how when you buy proper kit you can tell the difference instantly!!
As well as those some stubby cylinders to go with my pedal box
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Slowly collecting the stuff we need.
really nice parts :thumb:
really nice parts :thumb:
Trying to only buy the right bits mate!!
No budget, it's just got to be right!!!
Trying to only buy the right bits mate!!
No budget, it's just got to be right!!!
same here, it only takes ages to get everything together :(
same here, it only takes ages to get everything together :(
Yep!! I'm starting early!!!
totalnova
08-02-17, 11:10 PM
Some lovely shiny parts, I'd love a proper pedal box for mine, but it just pushes the budget up and up
Some lovely shiny parts, I'd love a proper pedal box for mine, but it just pushes the budget up and up
Hahaha budget!!! That was spent years and years ago!!! Haha
Vauxhall-Man-Ash
09-02-17, 09:38 PM
Brilliant thread mate viewed from start to finish!! P*** take with he who shall not be named robbing you of 4K for the engine rebuild but onwards and upwards buddy you have a mighty fine nova build and have by far inspired me to pull my finger out and get my C20LET block built up and in the nova (cars in standard form at the moment) will start a thread eventually when i decided to start stripping it lol lol lol keep up the good work matey it's threads like these that I myself and most other people love to read :thumb::thumb: I need a team shonky sticker for my nova too ;)
Brilliant thread mate viewed from start to fini..... these b: I need a team shonky sticker for my nova too ;)
Thanks a lot mate.
This new shell will be like a re-birth, really looking forward to getting it sorted.
TSV is all about having a laugh!! As for a sticker, you need to prove your car is as shit as ours first, well mainly Iain's as mines better!! hahahaahaha
Get a thread going as soon as you start so we can have a look.
Vauxhall-Man-Ash
09-02-17, 10:01 PM
Thanks a lot mate.
This new shell will be like a re-birth, really looking forward to getting it sorted.
TSV is all about having a laugh!! As for a sticker, you need to prove your car is as shit as ours first, well mainly Iain's as mines better!! hahahaahaha
Get a thread going as soon as you start so we can have a look.
Mine doesn't reach over 75 mph without terrible wheel wobble, constant drowning noise from front end does that count mate lol lol you've come so far on the build buddy and I will continue to watch the progress as it progresses over the next weeks/months/years. Some really handy stuff I've came across in your thread that I may "acquire" for my build thread when I actually aren't lazy enough to actually start typing up a build thread lol keep up the magical work mate and hopefully just one day when mines eventually ready to meet the track I'll come and join you and Iain for a track day ;):) so much credit to you sir!! You've had some shit times but still picked yourself up, dusted yourself off and continued with what had to be done +rep for you matey :)
You've got to paint your car spunk colour and claim it's white to get in TSV lol
You've got to paint your car spunk colour and claim it's white to get in TSV lol
Fuck!!!!!! This amazing!!!!
Vauxhall-Man-Ash
09-02-17, 10:05 PM
You've got to paint your car spunk colour and claim it's white to get in TSV lol
Pmsl lol lol lol I was actually thinking of a focus Rs diamond white for the nova? Not to sure as after a while it goes a somewhat cream colour but then again it would just look like a massive spunk machine on wheels flying around track lol lol I preferably want a white colour if I were to spray it somewhat that would look gleaming white all the time and not fade after a while :thumb:
Some good news, Darren got over excited when Jay asked him to bore number 1 to 86.5 and see if we could loose the damage, Jay returned 3 hours later to find Darren had, bored and honed all 4, decked the block top and bottom, polished the crank and put the crank back in the block!!!
New pistons arrived at 3pm and are literally going in as I type this, just the head to check Monday morning and possibly skim and I'll be able to collect Tuesday first thing. I wasn't aware they were building it as a short motor but in Jay's words "we can't fucking trust you to do it, cos you're shit".
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Also my manifold has come back from blasting and been sprayed in a high temp coating
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It'll do, it's only a crappy old manifold but it looks a million times better!!!
Should be back in the car Wednesday
That's a quick turnaround,didn't realise you are going all bufty ,bits for the new shell look good ,it's going to be a nice car when completed ��
This engine will be a spare once the proper shell is done, so it's worth doing it properly!!
Darren had to over size the bore by 1.25 thou for him to be happy the damage was fully out. He said the clearance is 2.5 thou instead of 1.25 but as it's a track engine and will run hotter and 1.25 thou is nothing!!!
turbojolt
10-02-17, 06:00 PM
If iain car is anything to go by a spare engine is a good idea lol
8valve-craig
10-02-17, 07:53 PM
Superb turnaround. Ready for Combe 3rd March then?
Superb turnaround. Ready for Combe 3rd March then?
Could be!!! Let's see how well it goes back in the car!!!
Few tiny jobs done today
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Finally got rid of the yellow driveshafts
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Made access to the gearbox level plug, will save from guessing!!!
Busy day down with the boys today
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Darren got his freak on with the bottom end
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Pistons protrude too far out the block, 26 thou so in order to maintain a minimum piston squish of 25 thou (as recommended by QED) we've had to go with a cometic 0.060 thou head gasket, which should give us a squish of 34thou, plenty!!
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Head getting some cleaning
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Head getting ready for skimming
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Skimmy skimmy
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Taken off a whopping 2 thou!!
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Painted, just needs a wipe down.
Lifters have all come out and apart to be cleaned, everything will start going back together tomorrow.
We've decided I can assemble it at Modus under direct supervision as I'm so ham fisted I can't be trusted with anything.
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One final shot of the cam pulleys painted and also media blasted my rear calliper carriers for the new beam so they'll be ready for the new shell just need to send the callipers away for re-furb, probably to BCS who are doing the Alcons.
Back to Modus via the gym and a stop off at the Valentine's Day card shop, what a crock of crap that is.
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And left snugly under a blanky for the night as in off to Swansea boyo for a lift breakdown tonight
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Collecting tomorrow afternoon, plan to have it running Thursday midday, quick run in down the bypass and Robert's your father's brother.
Go go team Shonky. Keep at it & you'll be smoking tyres instead of engines.
She's been smoking for a while now Harvey!! It was smoking at that first day Cadwell, what 2-3 years ago. Bout time I fixed it!!!
total_vauxhall
14-02-17, 10:13 PM
1.25 thou fuck me thats tight ist it . will be much better at 3 .
Iv just had my let taken to 4.7 thou for extra clearance with big boost and nitrous
1.25 thou fuck me thats tight ist it . will be much better at 3 .
Iv just had my let taken to 4.7 thou for extra clearance with big boost and nitrous
Yeah 2.5 thousands of an inch!! That's almost an interference fit!!
It all went together lovely and I can't wait to go for a spin out Friday!!!
Nitrous?!? Madman!!!!!
couldn't of painted the oil pump. ;)
So if the pistons are sticking out to far already.. Why take so much off the head? Did it need so much taking off?
couldn't of painted the oil pump. ;)
So if the pistons are sticking out to far already.. Why take so much off the head? Did it need so much taking off?
Could of painted the oil pump, but I'm not vain!!!!!! Hahahahaha
Block was 3 thou out head was warped, 2 thou one side, 3 the other!! So it needed skimming and decking the only reasonable solution was a thicker head gasket, 60 thou.
To be fair the head COULD have gone back on as it was but it was 15 minutes while it was out so no reason not to skim
Sick of my engine falling over or being unstable when removing from the car so smashed this together
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And with the engine on
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Lovely and stable, slight mod needed tomorrow as the flywheel hits one of the mounts but no real drama.
Also got my cover on with a made up rubber from a bit of boot seal, happy with that.
Collect my CV's, gearbox and running in oil tomorrow and make a start getting it back in the car!!
To say I'm excited is an understatement!!
Iain commented that I've not touched the car in nearly 3 months and in the space of 8 days I've removed and rebuilt the engine and am about to have it back in the car!!
Also made it to the Phirm today to add something I've wanted for ages!! Getting so bored of removing the engine and box and leaving the shafts in as I don't want to loose the box oil!!
I did all the machining to get it in, had to turn it down on the lathe and shorten it as much as possible, just had to get Tim to lickrod it in with the TIG
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nova_niek
16-02-17, 06:19 AM
Nice mod to the gearbox cover. Smart! 👍
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add a pump, a fitting to the level hole and a cooler... woooo longer life gearbox.
Engine going in, started at 6 this morning in the garage.
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Wickedy wickedy waaaaaaaaa
Took it for a drive at 4pm this afternoon
Got a sodding oil leak!! I think it's from the cooler unions, so I'll have them off tomorrow and see what it's saying
Leak fixed, was the oil temp sensor adapter, I broke the original one and forgot I needed to file a chamfer on the inner edge of the nut to allow it to get close enough to the block for it to seal!! School boy error
Awesome work. Now that's some cracking on.
So sorted my oil leak, all seems ok, car feels strong, pulls well, been running it in fairly hard, currently on mineral oil, will go to semi syn next and then I've got 20 litres of Millers CFS 10/50, on Iain's recommendation, if it's crap I'll smack him.
Popped to see Darren and Jay today in the car. Showed them under the bonnet and old boy Al saw my coil mount and told me it was a "pile of shit and we could make something better" so we did!!
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Much happier with that.
Little road trip planned for tomorrow morning, 140 odd miles, then I can ditch the mineral and get my semi on
I used millers fully synth 10/60 in the vx, and have to in the 500... it's good stuff, temps are mega stable so almost no need for a gaylord oil cooler lol
Yeah Iain uses it and swears by it, I'll give it a go. Was cheap enough delivered!!!
nova_niek
18-02-17, 03:54 PM
Popped to see Darren and Jay today in the car. Showed them under the bonnet and old boy Al saw my coil mount and told me it was a "pile of shit and we could make something better" so we did!!!
I love it how some people say subtle things. [emoji1]
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Nothing exciting today, other than a rear crank seal leak!!!! Gotta drop the engine out again to fix, only the 4 time I've had a rear seal die beginning to hate them!!
Oh and my shitty pedal box clutch pedal broke and I had to drive home without a clutch
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Stupid design, can't wait to get the hydraulic one sorted
Also changed these bolts as they were annoying me looking like they weren't tight
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Much better looking
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turbojolt
18-02-17, 10:29 PM
Can't wait to destroy you with a near standard clio 172
Can't wait to destroy you with a near standard clio 172
Fortunately my life is fulfilled enough without the need to race people, however, if the tiny insignificant fact that your "standard" Clio will beat my Nova brings some fulfilment to your life then I encourage it, everyone needs to have success somewhere in their life.
Just don't be too disappointed if it's not the case.
LEWI007
19-02-17, 09:12 AM
loving this build, ive been keeping an eye on it, proper race car ;)
loving this build, ive been keeping an eye on it, proper race car ;)
Thanks Lewis, but I think Craig's or Iain's would be closer to a proper race car!! Mine's just pretending!!
Interesting morning!!
By 9.30 this was how things looked
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Then investigation began,
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I remember reading on a certain someone's off white XE track car build thread on here about using talc to show where a leak was coming from, so to save me taking the sump off I thought I'd employ the talc method to see if I could find the leak, so I removed the flywheel, talc up the block and put the flywheel back on.
Ran the engine up for 5 mins, then took the flywheel off to find
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Clearly the talc around the seal is wet but the 5th main cap sides look dry as does the sump gasket, this was a result.
Down to ECP to collect a rear crank seal, cleaned, vaselined, installed, tested again
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Double result, all back together by 1pm, quick road test and check again and all seems dry. Will need more of an extensive test to be sure but I can't be bothered right now.
Must remember to find out whoever gave me the idea of the talc and thank him!!
Hour and a half drive, no leaks visible on return, just letting it sit for a while to see if anything drips off.
All that's left is to sort the trackday box and bleed the new Motul brake fluid in and I'll be ready for Coombe on the 3rd
total_vauxhall
19-02-17, 08:28 PM
Those vauxhall crank seals are a bastard . nearly as bad as the cam cover gasket lol
Love the talc method, your persistence is paying off. :cool:
TallDave
20-02-17, 12:22 PM
Bloody nora, I go off for a quick weeks skiing only to return to find all hell is breaking loose in the House garage. Have a little pity on us lazy mortals man...!
LOVE IT THOUGH lol
Bring on evo 2... :thumb:
Bloody nora, I go off for a quick weeks skiing only to return to find all hell is breaking loose in the House garage. Have a little pity on us lazy mortals man...!
LOVE IT THOUGH lol
Bring on evo 2... :thumb:
Evo 2 will be next level mate!! Currently looking at getting some space in a unit for a 2 poster and some proper work space!!!
turbojolt
22-02-17, 09:15 PM
Loving this. You never had problems with the license plate?
So after running out of fuel at Mallory last time out and then very nearly again out driving with the old man at the weekend I've decided to get the fuel gauge sorted properly!!
With my multi function display there is a fuel gauge however I couldn't get the ohms set correctly for the sensor I had and couldn't find another sensor that would work.
So I decided to get a kit from CBS gauge and matched sensor, bit of jiggery pokery and away we go!!
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All wired in on plugs for very easy removal, over the bloody moon if I'm honest, you know when you have a scratch and you finally manage to get the bugger, well BOOM itched!!!!
Added a voltmeter as I've got 3 holes to fill, middle hole will be this little beaut
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I know AFR isn't vital knowledge with a N/A engine but I've been having fluctuating fuel pressure when electrical load increases so I want to see how it affects AFR.
Loving this. You never had problems with the license plate?
Not at all mate, nothing so far anyway!! Now I've said that I'm certain to get pulled!!!
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Forgot to add, went to the tyre place and swapped my 888's I've been using on the road to my new wheels!! Love how this looks now!!!
Talc was my idea I gave to Iain for free but you can pay me in Haribo jellies. Plus you have to use Brut talc for the best manly fragrance.
Great work Ted tinkering goodness.
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