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You've ruined it. Good job! Standard engine to hammer round track sounds good. You going to swap intake etc to it or leave it on standard injection?
I couldn't go back to standard injection even if I wanted too!! It's throttle bodies or bust!!!
Hopefully it'll just be a straight swap, few hours job done!!
Christ you dont have much luck with engines do you.
Christ you dont have much luck with engines do you.
i knew number one cylinder wouldn't last too long as it was slightly oval when I built it!! The plan was always to get the other power engine built but that's taken a little longer than planned!!
we'll get there!! It's all fun!!
Been a few little things going on, nothing major but my old man has a read of this so I know he'll appreciate the update!!
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Shamelessly stolen from Iain, no more windy day worries!!!
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Added a set of poly carbonate windows
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Removed the number plate from the bumper and I've got a sticky one coming for the bonnet
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Was never happy with the lack of a backplate meaning I couldn't have a cambelt cover, took the belt off and the pulleys and added a backplate donated by Iain.
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Much happier now!!
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Added this little catch can from car builder solution, much happier with how it looks compared to the old one and I know Benn loves shiney!!
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Jubilee clip is actually how they advise to mount it, apparently polished jubilee clips are for girls, so I used a standard one!!
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Now something a little more exciting, plumbed in fire extinguisher, kill switch pull isn't attached yet, kill switch on order though!!
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This was the best place I could get it to fit, I've no space behind the seat and the cables didn't allow for it to go anywhere else.
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Manufactured a couple of cheeky little brackets for the nozzles, positioned as best as I could, not ideal but again piping lengths limited what I could do.
Planned evening at Brands 22 July, fingers crossed I'm not in Poland working and can make it!!
Got bored tonight so added my rain light, an idea again shamelessly stolen from Iain, he loves it when I copy him, makes him feel special.
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Stain on the drive is from the van loosing it's power steering pump, poor old girl has done 250,000 miles so we let her off.
Can't wait to see the three coloured stickers down the bonnet next lol
Can't wait to see the three coloured stickers down the bonnet next lol
Only complete tools do that pal lollollol
Also I've found a bearded man who is going to bend me up so new front roll cage legs.
Liking it dude, but clean the underside of the bonnet!
Liking it dude, but clean the underside of the bonnet!
It's on the whiteboard of jobs mate!! Tomorrow afternoon, I'll get it done and get a pic just for you!!!
A few more little jobs done today!! Nothing fantastic!!
Just neatening a few things up.
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Finish isn't great, just wanted it to look a bit better than the overspray that was there before!!
And last but not least a little something for Benn to enjoy!! lollol
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It's as good as you're gonna get mate!! lollol
Another little job done today, finally tidied up the overspray that covered the rad and fans.
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Then got carried away with the rest of the slam cos it was really annoying me how crap it looked!!
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Also added a little stubby aerial to the roof, this still needs work!! you can just see it in the picture!!
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That's about it!! I'm trying to get hold of a spent 5.56mm bullet casing, I want to use it as a float in my fuel level tube!!
Christ come on, did you even rub it down? lol
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I hope that is the before shot.... :eek:lol
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I did actually rub it down!! Then I dropped it when putting it back in!! Had the hump and was due to go out so just threw it back in!! I'll take it out tomorrow and neaten it up for you!!!
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Added my number plate
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Rubbed this down before painting it!!!!
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Painted the strut brace and tidied some other bits up
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Added some sticker numbers for a bit of a laugh!!!
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Quite happy with this little bracket I made for the isolator and the cable to pull it!! Re-wired the main power cables too as they weren't previously manly enough!!
More bits arrived today, passenger foot rest and even a clutch foot rest cos my little ankle hurts!!!!
I like the number stickers. Looks like a RACE CAR now.
ABoresta
01-07-15, 11:20 AM
Reading this and Iains thread has given me inspiration and ideas along the way some i can only wish off!
Them door catches are a night mare to fit and remove.
Tooth paste should remove the scratches and hazing on your rear screen, fyi.
Not sure mine is inspirational Aboresta!!
Had a little play around today!! Iain has been crying saying I need a shift light so as I'm not one to disappoint.
http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/60264EFD-80F9-4478-8A75-F333B29F5FC6.mp4.html
set it to 1400 rpm for the purposes of testing. Now it works it's all set for 7150. Yet to road test but will do later once it's cooled down!!
ABoresta
01-07-15, 03:17 PM
Thats a better idea for the shift light, my mate gave me one of those cheap massive things of the bay its absolute s***
How did you do yours? I cant trust this one i have it decides when it wants to come on thought i had it set up but when i checked it said 2000rpm when it was coming on at 6000rpm and wasnt going off until 3500rpm
My DTA ECU is programmable so I can set it to whatever I want. It outputs a negative ve when above 7149rpm so all I've done is wired that -ve output from the ECU to the engine management light on the dash. I was thinking of changing the little bit of plastic to a red filter but figured an engine warning light at 7000rpm was quite appropriate!!!
ABoresta
01-07-15, 04:12 PM
HAHA yeah it is! ah ok little bit of work until i can get there, time to do more spending
New wheels went on today!!
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Had an an issue with the trres rubbing on the springs so I've re fitted my old 7 inch springs and ordered some 325 7inch ones.
Also fitted the new discs and finally after a year of putting up with it I've got vibration free braking!!!! On the plus side, hi spec can skim the old discs so they'll do as a spare set!!!
That's gonna be it for a while as I'm working solid for the next 8 weeks!!!
First track evening with Liam on 28/7/15. I'll see if I can get a camera in the car to get some video!!!
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Brakes look more gooder too!!
Looks a million times better than on the steels.
torquey
03-07-15, 05:53 PM
Nice car but standard mirrors would look a lot better.
It does look a lot better on the alloys!!
Standard mirrors wouldn't be anywhere near as much fun in that you can actually see out of them lol
Looks much better, will you fit center caps?
Looks much better, will you fit center caps?
No mate no centre caps, they're not in good shape so I'm not going to bother!! Quite like them without anyway!!
ABoresta
20-07-15, 02:15 PM
Love the wheel colour! and i agree with the no centre caps :)
Few pictures from our first outing at an evening session at Brands with Liam and Conor and a few other lads.
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Was pretty happy with how it handled and the brakes held up for the 12 or 13 laps we completed.
Oil temp peaked at 110 degrees but stayed pretty stable, same with water temps, oil pressure was never a problem.
The issue came when I stopped for a mars bar and a packet of prawn cocktail crisps.
Came back to the car to find a puddle of oil underneath the passenger side below the sill.
After a quick think I worked out it was coming from the direct to atmosphere breather that I've tucked down in-front of the front wishbone pivot point.
It then dawned on me that when I had the cam cover painted I refitted it without swapping over the modified breather plate (school boy error).
I decided to call it a day as I didn't want to cover the track in any more oil, got home and dumped it in the garage!! Modded the breather last night and blatted down to the coast this morning with the newly modified cam cover and catch can.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/D4001A7E-E3DA-42CC-809E-20E5801885FE.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/D4001A7E-E3DA-42CC-809E-20E5801885FE.jpg.html)
Finally a little family line up at the coast this morning.
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Brands again on 19th for an evening session and then Cadwell with Iain and Harvey on the 24th. Hiring a flatbed Sprinter to drive up to Cadwell incase it dies up there!!!
HouseAtreides
02-08-15, 08:05 PM
Looks the dugs ****, and you cannae whack a Mars bar and packet of prawn cocktail crisps! ;)
Looks badass on track. Don't break it before cadwell looking forward to it
Looks the dugs ****, and you cannae whack a Mars bar and packet of prawn cocktail crisps! ;)
I did wonder if I'd eaten salt and vinegar crisps and a toffee crisp it would have created an alternative reality in which the car hadn't leaked oil!!!
Looks ace on track, Videos or ya laps?
TallDave
03-08-15, 02:52 PM
Nice to see your car hitting the track after an interesting build, good job done I'd say.
Loving the oil catch tank, especially the fitting kit..:d Still at least you can see how much oil is coming out, unlike most of the shiny aluminium jobbies on the market...
Enjoy it and try and keep it out of the barriers.
Thanks Mr Tall, barriers are not my friend!!
Benn, due to that being my first session and my first attempt at track driving I didn't record anything but we have a little plan for the next one and there will defo be videos from Cadwell, if I can string a reasonable lap together!!
:( shame. I fund it a great way to learn too, watch back what i did and then try to correct.
I was all over the place to be honest mate, there was lots to correct!! Got some Proxes 888's in their way and another set of Cesaros to put them on, should help with the grip!!!
Southie
04-08-15, 09:37 PM
Your car looks really good, wish I'd have done trackday when I had my last Nova.
Do you have a quickrack fitted? I found it to be one of the better mods for handling with the 888's I had when blasting about on back roads ;)
888s are for pansies 5 year old squirmy slicks are for real men lol
conza123
04-08-15, 11:29 PM
Thanks for the passenger ride at brands :)
Your car looks really good, wish I'd have done trackday when I had my last Nova.
Do you have a quickrack fitted? I found it to be one of the better mods for handling with the 888's I had when blasting about on back roads ;)
I don't have a Quaife one, but a corsa B EPAS rack is 2.5 turns lock to lock to I got one of them instead.
I completely agree it does transform the drive completely, it went from being wooly and vague to direct and settled, one of the best mods I've done, without a doubt.
No worries Conor!!
Pansies indeed Iain........
If you want proper catch tank i have a very nice one. Grready polished thing with level window...
If you want proper catch tank i have a very nice one. Grready polished thing with level window...
Got one thanks mate, just can't fit it until I get the other engine in cos the piston rings are so knackered it's breathing like an wounded rhino!!!! It doesn't flow enough air to stop the crankcase pressure from pushing all the oil out the gaskets!!!!
nova_niek
09-08-15, 05:52 PM
I did wonder if I'd eaten salt and vinegar crisps and a toffee crisp it would have created an alternative reality in which the car hadn't leaked oil!!!
This cracked me up lol
Few things have gone on.
Brands on Wednesday for another evening and then Cadwell on the 24th with Iain so needed to get a few little bits sorted.
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Picked up another set of cesaros, will get them coloured when I've got 5 mins, ordered 4 888's that should arrive in time for Cadwell.
For Brands I'm planning to use some very scrubbed non slip slipalot T1R's that I picked up from Liam and Iain. Took them out for a spin tonight and encountered a rather large dose of over steer in a roundabout, something I've never had with the Uniroyals.
Also got my camera mount sorted, picked up a cheap £20 cam corder from ASDA to see if it was going to work.
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Little bit of trial video footage.
https://youtu.be/UHGdOKxFrhg
Hopefully I'll get more than 12 laps in at Brands this time!!!
nova_niek
17-08-15, 08:46 PM
Nice trial run, love the induction roar. :)
360p resolution makes for a bit of a blurry image. Road signs are unreadable. (not that this matters lol) Any chance of upping the resolution on this camera without sacrificing too much recording time?
Nice trial run, love the induction roar. :)
360p resolution makes for a bit of a blurry image. Road signs are unreadable. (not that this matters lol) Any chance of upping the resolution on this camera without sacrificing too much recording time?
cheap camera mate, new expensiver go pro style camera ordered, should arrive in time for Cadwell!!
annoying that the sound and video aren't synchronised, hoping the new camera will be better!!
If it's a Gopro. It will be.
It's an SJ4000 read a load of reviews before buying it and it comes up trumps. Wasn't really wanting to spend £250 on a camera that some little scrote could easily steal from the car while I'm getting prawn cocktail crisps and mars bars!!
That's fair enough. Prawn cocktail... *YOM*
Good luck for Brands, don't break it as I need some healthy competition at Cadwell lol
Well the good news is I didn't break that much of it!!!!!
videos to follow.
however the starter motor has decided to die, so, has anyone got a c20ex early engine starter motor for the flat flywheel???
needed by Saturday to fit for Cadwell on Monday!!
888' s arrived yesterday and went on today.
Also tried to brand new starter motor I had in stock that didn't work when I built the engine, for some weird reason I fitted it and boom worked first time!!! Re-fitted my old alternator bracket and tensioned the belt up properly then took the car out go get the shine off the 888's ready incase we have a dry Monday.
The poor rainsports didn't cope well at Brands!!!! they had decent grip but have suffered for it!!
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Starter motor looked a bit worse for wear when it came out, not sure what the problem with it is!!!!!
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I've got some videos but they're terrible, will post them up once they've uploaded, hoping the new camera makes things better!!!
Video of my last session, sorry about the audio, will be sorted for Cadwell.
https://youtu.be/-E5qshVWTb8
nova_niek
25-08-15, 12:51 PM
Video of my last session, sorry about the audio, will be sorted for Cadwell.
https://youtu.be/-E5qshVWTb8
Looks like you've had fun again. What's with the green Puma @6:06? Mad cornering speed! :eek: Well he didn't show much progress after that and called it a day @8:20. lol
So Monday at Cadwell,
Anyone following Iain's build thread has seen my shonky old Nova next to Iain's.
As I don't have a trailer yet I hired a flat bed with ramps to get up to Cadwell 360 mile round trip.
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Seconds after this photo was taken, Dog spotted a cat the other side of the truck and the chase was on!!!!
Made it to Cadwell, we couldn't get in until 8pm cos of the British superbike meeting which sucked balls, we got the "Team Shonky Vauxhall" gazebo up and Iain fired up the most pathetic disposable BBQ's I've ever seen, after a lot of BBQ starter (Harvey's brake fluid) we managed to eat and consume a few ciders. We were discussing the weather and hoping for a dry day, we decided, it didn't have to be sunny, just dry.
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We got a decent space in the tiny paddock, there are no garages at Cadwell so we threw the gazebo up for a bit of protection from the rain, as it turned out it wasn't rain shade we needed but sun shade!! roasting hot!!!
This was my first outing on the 888's so I took it really steady while setting up tyre pressure, after a bit of jiggery pokery we got to 28 hot on the front and 24 hot on the back, this worked really well and the car felt stable and planted at all times.
Anyone that's not been to Cadwell needs to go, it's an amazing track, a real nice mix of straights and corners, a great track for testing all round capabilities.
Highlights of the day include,
Passenger ride in Iain's car, where I ended up being the bad luck charm and my added weight on the passenger side destroyed the inner CV (see Iain's thread for an explanation)
The guy in the Nissan 370Z coming up to Iain in the pits and admitting he was disgusted at himself for having to let a Nova through as he had a "3.7 litre engine and couldn't get away from an old Nova"
Another guy in an MX5 telling me my car was unbelievable fast in a straight line and good round the bends I just needed to "hook up a lap" which Iain took delight in interpreting that I'm a scheise driver and my car needs to be driven by someone who can drive (him)
Anyway enough talk a little video of my last session, my brake fluid was completely shot by this point so I was lifting and coating a little to try and take it steady, also camera postion has been altered for the next event.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpaRY5UwlDk
First work straight after Cadwel,
Old crappy cheap brake fluid out and Millers RBF brake fluid in, pedal feels so much better, hoping to get a brands evening in to test the brakes out.
Camera really annoyed me that it looked at the mirro so I've gone for a couple of options. I've ordered a new rear view mirror to be mounted over infront of the passenger, the standard one keeps moving over bumps anyway so it's gotta go!! Also added a roof mount for my little go pro.
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Securely mounted, works well.
I've decided that despite the burning oil from cylinder 1 the current engine is good enough while i'm learning to drive the car, so the plan is to remove the box and sump and take the 5th bearing cap out and re seal it properly, having spoken to Harvey about it, I don't think I've used anywhere near enough sealant on it and that would make sense as to why it's leaking round the outside of the rear main seal.
Hoping to get that done Saturday, then look for the next evening at Brands for a test. Team Shonky Vauxhall are looking at Donnigton if we can find a date and I want us to do Snetterton, I'm also away at Anglesey for another biek endurance race so will scout that track out.
You must have some unusual Nova dials as it kinda looks like you keep shifting at 6000rpm.
Nah nice driving can't grumble at that. And nothing broke, get in.
Glued it to the roof? EEK!
Benn don't have a heart attack but its not glued. :o
In that new roof skin????????!!!!! :tard:
novadave24
27-08-15, 03:00 PM
don't mind me asking but how much did it cost to rent the van mate ?
don't mind me asking but how much did it cost to rent the van mate ?
It was £205 collected Saturday morning dropped back Tuesday morning!!
http://www.seymourhire.co.uk/vehicle.php
Benn, it's a track car, function dictates form!! It's become a tool now, a weapon if you will!! No more show and shine!! Haha
And anyway Benn, you drove me to it!! You complained about the mirror being in the way!!!
and it's only a little plastic mount, all sealed on. It'll be fine, videos look pretty good from it too!!!
Southie
27-08-15, 09:58 PM
Really enjoying this thread looks like your having fun with a Nova which I'm very jealous of ;)
Really enjoying this thread looks like your having fun with a Nova which I'm very jealous of ;)
Thanks mate. I never really expect anyone to be interested in reading it, it's hardly ground breaking stuff!!
Southie
27-08-15, 10:37 PM
It doesn't have to be ground breaking for me, I love a good track day Nova and if someone is giving it some in Motorsport ways then thumbs up from me ;)
Well there'll be plenty of use, Snetterton on 21st of this month, then Blyton on 11th October and Donnington in November.
Then it'll be on the drive up on stands all running gear off, internal brake lines fitted, completely stripped underneath and re under sealed, powder coated suspension parts. Back on the road for March. That's tha plan anyway!!!
Gonna strip the interior out and get a full cage welled in aswell.
New camera angle
http://vid27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/FHD0009.mp4
This one has been improved for shakey ness with some bolts under the bumper lip that were missing!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOcX68HmORw
As Snetterton is now booked, a few housekeeping jobs to attend to.
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Jacked up up to investigate the rumbling when I drive, can't imagine what it could be!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-3DpkWllLk
New hubs already here being pressed in tomorrow.
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As we've got 3 track days planned before winter work commences I'm taking the box off and re sealing the 5th main bearing cap as I don't think I sealed it properly when I built the engine!!
Hoping to get this done tomorrow but the severe weather warning is slowing my pace somewhat!!
That movement is just scary. New ones should be much better look well machined too.
I knew they needed doing, they were the last component that hasn't been changed since I bought it!! Checked for movement before Cadwell and they were ok!! Oh well got some decent bearings going in today!! Might even clean up and paint the knuckles!!
New bearings going in
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Managed to get some FAG ones which I'm told are the better of the ones available.
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Should get them on the car this afternoon and then out to see my mates kids who want a go out in "Housey's race car" then I need to get the box off tomorrow morning and get this 5th cap sealed up once and for all.
That's a hell of a lot of movement. CAmera in the bumper is a bit better, bar we cant watch you move and panic...
That's a hell of a lot of movement. CAmera in the bumper is a bit better, bar we cant watch you move and panic...
Don't worry mate, if it all goes really wrong you'll still see me on the bumper cam!!!!
Absolute carnage today!!!!!!
As a few of you know, I've had a persistent leak form below the flywheel, after discussion with Iain and Harvey, we reckoned it would be the 5th bearing cap, where the sealant is put in, I didn't realise that the sealer needs to be fired in the little holes with real pressure. In order to do this I got hold of some proper sealer in a mastic tube and a heavy duty mastic gun.
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Went and bought an engine crane at 10am this morning.
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Complete and utter carnage, engine was a pig to get out, car wasn't jacked up high enough, lost the plot!!!! finally got it out and onto the engine stand!!
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As you can see the cap clearly has oil on the outer side, the sealant clearly hasn't bonded to the block towards the bottom of the cap.
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The other side is pretty much the same, it simply hasn't bonded to the block, not enough pressure when squirting the sealer in.
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So once the cap was back on and bolts in but not tightened I got the mastic gun out and went to town, I laid some mastic in the grooves first before fitting it, then got the nozzle in the holes and squirted like Jenna Jameson in wet gushers 4.
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Clearly see the sealant has squirted out the gaps, no doubt the sealant has filled those gaps, you can also see the sealant has filled up under the cap where it bolts down, torqued it all up and got the sump back on with proper sealant too.
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Got it off the stand and got the rear oil seal back in, flywheel and clutch, I've fitted my Helix paddle friction plate with a standard cover plate, the standard clutch had a little bit of oil contamination.
Engine is back in, exhaust on, plumbed in, just need to put the tie bars and ARB back in, get some coolant and oil in and see how we get on.
I was pretty happy that the coolant came out blue, after some hard abuse oil doesn't seem to have pushed past the head gasket into the water at all, which is cool.
Should have it back running tomorrow, giving the sealant 24 hours to cure before putting oil back in.
TallDave
30-08-15, 11:59 PM
I've always enjoyed reading your thread, and continue to do so, entertaining as ever.
It is nice to see you've finally got it running and are beating it to within an inch of its life....
You're not hanging about fixing the few teething problems either, nice squirting by the way...!
Any chance you can list the part number for the FAG front wheel bearings, I'm probably going to need to replace mine before I put the thing back together (I said hopefully) and as I only want to do it once, I might as well use the best available. Thanks in anticipation.
That's why i remove engines from the top... ;)
Good work on doing it so quick too.
Mr Tall, thanks for reading!! I'm completely useless and ditched the boxes without writing down the number!! I've had a search and this is the number I came up with, think it's the actual FAG bearing number.
713 6441 60 (http://www.mister-auto.co.uk/en/wheel-bearing/fag-713-6441-60_g654_a192713!6441!60.html)
http://www.mister-auto.co.uk/en/wheel-bearing/fag-713-6441-60_g654_a192713!6441!60.html
I certainly didn't pay £38 a bearing, think I paid £49 inc VAT for 2.
Benn, I couldn't come out the top cos I didn't want to drop the gearbox oil so had to leave the shafts in!! I'm guessing the bonnet comes off? then shafts out and drop it down the re sling it and bring the cambelt end up and out first?!?
Quick update, I didn't get any pics, cos it was raining and I was hangry.
All back together and road tested, doesn't appear to be leaking on return to the garage, I'll check it again a bit later with fingers crossed, paddle clutch is like an on/off switch, loads of fun!!
Picked up a little foot pump and tyre pressure tester for the trackday box, also got 20 litres of 10/60 triple X oil, it's only cheap but as the engine isn't lasting forever I'm not putting Millers in it, don't see the point!! Used some pink coolant, looks sexy.
On the road test I scared the bejesus out of myself, the Rainsports are nowhere near as good now in the wet as they were before I cooked them at Brands!!! Might have to invest in some new ones for wet trackdays!! They'll be no good at all on track!!
So all set fro Snet, ooo that rhymes, just need to get some cooking stuff so I'm not cooking on Iain's pathetic no heat wet start disposable BBQ again.
TallDave
31-08-15, 07:23 PM
Thanks Mr House...
Trust the boxes went in the recycling bin ;)
Have saved the link and reference number for later use, I might need to do a bit of surfing to get the best deal...
Working hard despite the weather, what you need is a garage you can work in :d
Enjoy your forthcoming track days, looking forward to the videos.
Cheers
Dave (yes very tall)
No worries Mr Tall (very) I've got a garage I can work in just, I put the engine back in last time in the garage but that was when the shafts were out the box but still in the knuckles so I didn't need access to the wheels!!
Just been out to check and nearly 2 hours after the test drive and boom no leaks, obviously it's a Vauxhall so there's no guarantee that it wont be leaking tomorrow!!
Just need to jack it up and get some brake cleaner on the underside and the oil cooler pipes that have oil in the braid where they leaked when I was mucking around!! Other than that we're good to go for Snet!!!!
Benn, I couldn't come out the top cos I didn't want to drop the gearbox oil so had to leave the shafts in!! I'm guessing the bonnet comes off? then shafts out and drop it down the re sling it and bring the cambelt end up and out first?!?
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Shafts out yes so fair on that, bonnet can stay on, just needs pushing back abit more.
Always drop the engine out the bottom Benn!!!!
I've never taken one out the top, it scares me, I'm a lift installer and deal with lifting big things up very high all day everyday but can't get past the thought of lifting my engine out the top of the engine bay!!! I have images flash through my head like The Monk in The Mean Machine, mostly involving engine droppage onto radiator and feet. Can't shake it off!!
I just need a bigger jack and some more manly axle stands!!
Always drop the engine out the bottom Benn!!!!
Why? There is no real reason a engine can't go either way.
One reason i say is if its out the top you dont have to have the car balancing on 5 tyres and axle stands at max reach. So safety there.
But it's just as easy thought the top.
I've never taken one out the top, it scares me, I'm a lift installer and deal with lifting big things up very high all day everyday but can't get past the thought of lifting my engine out the top of the engine bay!!! I have images flash through my head like The Monk in The Mean Machine, mostly involving engine droppage onto radiator and feet. Can't shake it off!!
I just need a bigger jack and some more manly axle stands!!
Believe me it's just as easy. A let and F28 fit in from the top...
But yes a good propper lifting strap is a good thing to have. I would never remove an engine top or bottom with a bit of rope or a seat belt.
totalnova
01-09-15, 12:54 PM
Always out through the top if you do things properly.
Out the bottom or go home.
Good job on fixing the leak, now leave it alone before Snet lol
Engine is coming out again after Donnington in November so I'll see how it comes out the top!!
Jacked up the car today and jet washed the underneath to within an inch of it's life!! Ran it up for nearly an hour, let it get red hot and no leaks visible.
Need to have a look at the thermostat cos for some reason the fan comes on but doesn't go off, the bottom rad hose goes cold but the top rad hose stays red hot and the temp gauge sits at 100.
Thinking the thermostat might be stuck, tempted to run without it as it's a cold opening stat. 85 or something so potentially it's always open anyway. Thoughts??
So having decided that trackdays are the way forward I've put a deposit down on this.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/6AFAF78C-4A5C-46AB-88D9-3B0D79E7DCDE.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/6AFAF78C-4A5C-46AB-88D9-3B0D79E7DCDE.jpg.html)
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Should fit the Nova on nicely as the guy used it for his trackday Clio and was only getting rid of it cos he's bought a bigger car!!
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All in £1300, which seems about right, going to check it out Saturday morning and he's going to keep it at his place for me for a week until I can get a tow bar fitted to the Passat.
Also purchased a little tool box today and remembered I've got an old Aluminium packing box that belonged to Gebhardt the German company I buy lifts from who used to have their own racing team, competing at Le Mans with some succcess!! Hoping to have the toolbox and aluminium box loaded up so I can just throw it in the boot of the car and job done, less packing and worrying I've forgotten stuff!!
A little pic of a Gebhardt Porsche porn, they designed, built and raced their own cars aswell, before using Porsche's in the 90's
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The winter list is growing!!
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Don't forget the camping chair, most important thing on the whiteboard.
You'll be surprised how many sofas you move on your trailer, I was with mine.
Wow your writing is worse than mine. Impressive.
Nice trailer too.
8valve-craig
04-09-15, 04:24 PM
That's exactly the trailer I have. Clio's are a real squeeze, but the nova will fly on and have a good amount of room to strap it down.
Strong money, but they do hold it well.
Benn, I'm a lefty and can't write on a white board cos my arm rubs everything out, so I have to hover over the board with the pen and wiggle it about!!
That's exactly the trailer I have. Clio's are a real squeeze, but the nova will fly on and have a good amount of room to strap it down.
Strong money, but they do hold it well.
Cheers for the confirmation Craig, I was a bit worried about overhang but I think it'll be fine!! The only worry now is if it'll fit in the garage I've rented!!
Got a txt from the good lady that she was having a beer after school so I figured I'd have a bit of time to do something.
Rusty bullet hole attack mode!! I forgot to get any pictures before but it had grown since I last saw it so thought I better get it done!! Pictures do the talky!!
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/BE2777DF-C967-4A5D-9FCD-A9B25E0394FF.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/BE2777DF-C967-4A5D-9FCD-A9B25E0394FF.jpg.html)
Could have neatened it up a bit more but next door's little girl was getting upset with the grinder so I had to call it a day.
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Bit of hammerite underseal stuff will do until the winter when it all comes off, I'm actually looking forward to stripping it bare and knowing 100% it's all clean and tidy.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/A83E8918-405C-4052-B1DE-AAE9BAD6F365.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/A83E8918-405C-4052-B1DE-AAE9BAD6F365.jpg.html)
For those who have an interest, this is what I do everyday.
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This is a days work assembling from components, 6 lifts we're doing for Amazon at their new warehouse in Dunstable. It all ends up clad in panels and doors fitting.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/64AA781C-B5B5-4B00-A4A7-200D356C0460.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/64AA781C-B5B5-4B00-A4A7-200D356C0460.jpg.html)
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Another smaller one we installed for Renthal, the motocross bike manufacturer, in Stockport.
Anyway, that's what earns the corn and has done for the last 13 years!!
TallDave
05-09-15, 12:26 AM
Jacked up the car today and jet washed the underneath to within an inch of it's life!! Ran it up for nearly an hour, let it get red hot and no leaks visible.
Need to have a look at the thermostat cos for some reason the fan comes on but doesn't go off, the bottom rad hose goes cold but the top rad hose stays red hot and the temp gauge sits at 100.
Thinking the thermostat might be stuck, tempted to run without it as it's a cold opening stat. 85 or something so potentially it's always open anyway. Thoughts??
Forgive my ignorance, but isn't that whats supposed to happen, especially if the car is sat still and not getting air pushed through the radiator as would happen when you are driving?
Hopefully when you say the bottom radiator hose is cold it isn't actually cold, its just cooler than the inlet hose?
You must have some circulation going on as the radiator is getting hot enough to kick the fan on, presumably you are using the standard fan switch (located in the passenger side of the rad)?
Just a thought, maybe there is someone else out there who knows better?
I like the trailer by the way, just a pity I can't squeeze one like it down the side of my house...
Forgive my ignorance, but isn't that whats supposed to happen, especially if the car is sat still and not getting air pushed through the radiator as would happen when you are driving?
Hopefully when you say the bottom radiator hose is cold it isn't actually cold, its just cooler than the inlet hose?
You must have some circulation going on as the radiator is getting hot enough to kick the fan on, presumably you are using the standard fan switch (located in the passenger side of the rad)?
Just a thought, maybe there is someone else out there who knows better?
I like the trailer by the way, just a pity I can't squeeze one like it down the side of my house...
I've completely re-wired the car, the only bit of original wiring left is the little loom that runs to the rear lights, my fan is controlled by my standalone DTA management. I haven't checked the relay, maybe that's sticking.
The water temp has got progressively higher during normal driving since my second evening at brands, where as it used to sit at 80 when travelling it now sits just below 100 (on my aftermarket dash gauge) it's possible the sender for that is faulty..... I think it needs more investigation!! Crappy Nova!!!
TallDave
05-09-15, 11:22 PM
I've completely re-wired the car, the only bit of original wiring left is the little loom that runs to the rear lights, my fan is controlled by my standalone DTA management. I haven't checked the relay, maybe that's sticking.
The water temp has got progressively higher during normal driving since my second evening at brands, where as it used to sit at 80 when travelling it now sits just below 100 (on my aftermarket dash gauge) it's possible the sender for that is faulty..... I think it needs more investigation!! Crappy Nova!!!
Ahhhhh! It appears I am ignorant! If the Engine management system is controlling the fan that would indicate that the controlling sensor is in the engine block, which rather explains everything (errr possibly), the hot top hose is probably due to water working its way (slowly) passed a knackered thermostat via the jiggle pin, the bottom hose can only be cold because there is no water circulation, et voila (again) :). So your engine cooling is being done via the oil, hmmmm not good.
Pull the thermostat out and test in a pan of boiling water, If it stays shut you have solved the problem, best not use the missus best pan though eh!
Put it down to experience, again, again, again.......
I was always led to believe Thermostats are fail open?!? Anyone else confirm?? I've previously drilled 2 small 5mm holes in my stat as I was having real bad air lock problems.
On the drive down to view the trailer water temp was at 75-80 degrees while driving along and oil temp between 85-100 deepening if I gave it a little loud off of roundabouts.
I'm gonna order another stat and change that out and see!!!
Benn, I'm a lefty and can't write on a white board cos my arm rubs everything out, so I have to hover over the board with the pen and wiggle it about!!
Good man! I'm a leftie too. WE ROCK.
The car should get up to 95deg on a standard stat, then open. The fan should kick in, lowering the temp down and then it should turn off.
Not strictly an update of work on the car but I'm happy as a pig in poo!!!
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Added a bit of security, it's not really needed round my way but I don't trust anyone!!! I'm planning to lay some slabs down when I get 5 mins.
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Double happy now!!!! Checked my neighbours were ok with it and they had no objections. I've been trying to buy the bit of land for 4 months but can't find out who owns it!! Tried everything, I bet now I've stuck the trailer on it I'll get a little letter from someone!!!
Can't wait to tow it with weight on!! Saturday morning I'm taking my brothers Corrado up to Ancaster, decent little 300 mile round trip!!
Then Snet Monday.
8valve-craig
16-09-15, 12:25 PM
If that's the same trailer as mine, which I think it is, a Corrado probably wont fit on it. Too wide, depending on wheel and offset.
Also a touch too heavy.
If that's the same trailer as mine, which I think it is, a Corrado probably wont fit on it. Too wide, depending on wheel and offset.
Also a touch too heavy.
I've measured the car at 1650 so it should just goes on. Weight wise it's stripped out and weighed recently at 1070 and change so it's right on the borderline. Slightly over but not drastically.
8valve-craig
16-09-15, 03:29 PM
Cool, Just watch the tyres on the way up then as the back of the side rails are sharp and will tear them up. I know this.
Cool, Just watch the tyres on the way up then as the back of the side rails are sharp and will tear them up. I know this.
Thanks mate, I'll be extra careful now!!!
Despite my efforts to be careful, I did indeed rip a rear tyre when loading the Corrado, it barely squeezed on!!!
It was absolutely hammering it down, I mean biblical, geeza sailing past with a big wooden boat and a load of animals!!!! I ended up driving home in my pants I was that wet!!!!
We made it to Ancaster all good and back ok!!
As we've got Blyton on the 11th and it'll be the first time the Nova is on the trailer, i wasn't happy driving the Corrado onto the trailer I decided to add a little winch.
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One man loading now, even has a wireless remote control so I can walk around and check for tyre slashing!!!
I've just bought some cables and anderson plugs to run the winch from the tow vehicle battery as I can't be bothered with having a separate battery on the trailer!!
Just catching up with your antics, nice work with the posh winch. I'll be seeing you in in a few weeks but not sure if that's a good thing or not!
I couldn't make Blyton with the guys due to Amazon taking over the world and demanding lifts be complete on the original deadline, despite holding us up for 8 days.
Anyway, second attempt to get to Snetterton on 9/11/15.
Clearing out the spare room packing all my wedding stuff up for Vegas next week, I found my Cadwell pictures DVD. Thought I'd share a few.
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Taken moments before the 2CV rolled going through the goose neck!!
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I really struggled with this corner, it's after a really quick section and was hard to get straight for braking.
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phunkynova
18-10-15, 05:16 PM
The fact that you posted a photo with a 2CV in front of you :( shame on you even if you was lapping it lol
Word is the 2CV rolled after losing concentration from laughing at overtaking House.
The fact that you posted a photo with a 2CV in front of you :( shame on you even if you was lapping it lol
I definitely overtook it when it was on it's side and the driver was shaking his head stood beside it!!!
phunkynova
18-10-15, 06:19 PM
I definitely overtook it when it was on it's side and the driver was shaking his head stood beside it!!!
So are you saying that the only way you got past the 2CV was that it crashed out and not because you where faster :d
So are you saying that the only way you got past the 2CV was that it crashed out and not because you where faster :d
Errrrrrrrr................................. (hangs head in shame) He was quick round the corners!!!!!
Whats hanging down under the car in the photo before the 2cv pic?
Trailor is looking good, small rope needs upgrading tho..lol
Whats hanging down under the car in the photo before the 2cv pic?
Trailor is looking good, small rope needs upgrading tho..lol
It's the fuel tank vent, I've got a pipe on order to tuck it up out the way.
Trailer winch rope is rated to a straight lift of 1350kg, given that I can sit on the floor and pull my car along is say the pulling force required is only 150kg max so we're 1100kg over spec!!
I do need to make a bolt on cover to shield it from the worst of the weather!! Got a few weeks off in November so got some stuff planned!!
BRoadGhost
18-10-15, 09:11 PM
With your car as it is now, adding +1 degree of negative camber could help you in sections like the goose neck
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Thanks for the input Mr Ghost, Iain and I are planning a setup afternoon at his place before our day at Donnigton in November. It's the one area I haven't really paid too much attention to!!
So the November trackdays are here!!
Yesteday was Snetterton.
In an effort to get Iain there I booked him on despite him telling me he couldn't make it.
Friday Iain decided he did want to go, he's such a girl.
Loaded up at 4pm Sunday ready to go.
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We got a Premier Inn and hoped for a few shandies before turning in but the pub stopped serving at 10pm, what is all that about, East Anglian weirdos.
We had a little snuggle watching 2Fast 2Spurious or whatever it's called.
Got to the track at 7am and got unloaded into our garage.
Got my brakes bled and found I had a slightly loose bleed nipple on one of my rear wheel cylinders!! no wonder I had a spongebob squarepants pedal.
Didn't really get any pics during the day.
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I'm sure Iain has got some hilarious videos from the afternoon but I ran out of battery, a problem that will be rectified for Donnigton with the addition of a 5 metre USB cable for charging operations!!
Little video, following Iain was fun, I spent more time laughing at his sideways shenanigans than concentrating on what I was doing!!!!!
https://youtu.be/84_cN7hVkq0
No doubt the scooby doo found this hlarious!!!!
Added the internal view to this little video, mirror is being ditched for Donnignton.
https://youtu.be/zctwm6P6YZU
Southie
10-11-15, 10:03 PM
It looked bloody wet out there, how much were you and iiiiian trying? Shame it wasn't dry as I'd love to see Iain kick your arse lol
Trying hard but very little grip so looks like were pootling unfortunately. Had some good drags up the straight though!
It looked bloody wet out there, how much were you and iiiiian trying? Shame it wasn't dry as I'd love to see Iain kick your arse lol
Iain's a faster driver than me, I've no problem admitting it, he's also built like a racing driver, where as I'm built like a bouncer. Distinct weight advantage!!
We were trying believe me, it was absolute carnage, braking was hit and miss, both of us missing corners due to lock ups, I was faster than Iain in the wet, we found out my rainsports are rated A for wet grip and Iain's Toyo's E rated, massive tyre difference accounted for the estimated 2.5 to 3 seconds a lap I was ahead. Once infront Iain coudln't keep up!!
That being said I do enjoy following him in the dry as I learn what corner speeds are possible. He would kick my arse without doubt, at Cadwell in the dry he was 5 seconds a lap faster than me!!
nova_niek
16-11-15, 06:59 PM
Enjoyed the video of you two giving it 110% round Snetterton. Excellent stuff. Have been round the TT Assen track a couple of times in the wet (downpour more like) on a motorbike so I understand how much you must have been struggling at braking and turning. Top entertainment lads, thanks for sharing. :thumb:
Thanks Niek!! It was a lot of fun!! Hoping Donnington will be better this Saturday, hopefully get the dry tyres on and ditch my rear view mirror completely so the internal video looks better!!!
Also, I was amazed that the tyres had temperture in them and were hot and sticky upon returning to the pits!!!
TallDave
19-11-15, 02:23 PM
That looks hilarious, I can see why you were laughing so much, especially when Iain heading off across the grass, thank god for lots of green run off!
Must say I prefer the 'In-Car' to the 'On-Car' footage, for one the sound is slightly better, also you get to see the driver at work and so get a better idea of just how hard he's working for our entertainment.
Looking forward to the interior mirror free footage coming to a forum soon.....
The outside footage was for Benn, he was crying about the rear view mirror being in the way!! haha
Might make the outside camera rear view for a different perspective!!
Snow at Donny Saturday sure to be some shonky shenanigans!!!
Went down to see Jay and Darren @ Modus today to chat some chat and admire Darren's new light weight look!!
Also dropped off the new Helix clutch and the most expensive bolts in history!!
Darren's been playing around with measuring the CR, neither the block or the head have been skimmed/decked yet as we're not sure how much may need to be removed.
This is a new block after the one I recovered from we know where had a different 5th main cap that just didn't look right so this is the back-up block, bored, honed and dummy build cleaned, Darren isn't happy it's clean enough yet!!
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/6A1C2518-6E3D-4F15-87A8-5C77AA5D356F.jpg
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Crank has also been re-ground as it was in a dreadful state, not been polished yet as it still needs balancing.
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Has been nicely shot blasted and Darren is happy with it.
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(http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/A70B0261-A402-466E-953B-33EF4F81AFD6.jpg.html)Rods and pistons all balanced up to within 0.1 grams.
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Head has been pressure tested and they're happy, chambers CC'd and all 4 match up, both Darren and Jay are really impressed with the chambers and ports, finished to a really high standard which is good.
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Jay has taken some weight out of the flywheel, just need to dowel it before balancing.
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Now I mention balancing, sneek peak at Modus' new balancer, impressive bit of kit, they balance evey crank that they work on, whether specced or not.
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I wasn't allowed any closer as Jay is very protective. Darren is concerned that he's in the little room with the balancer a bit too much, I didn't get a pic but it had an Audi V8 crank on it being done, mine is next now the clutch plate is there!!
They should be making some real progress now, few weeks and there should be some more head building pics.
In other news,
Bought some of this flooring from Halfrauds, sick of lying on the freezing ground on the drive, will be handy when the whole car comes apart next week and lying on my back cleaning underneath up!!!
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Did a quick oil change and swapped my ARB round as Iain took great pleasire in telling me I had it round the wrong way!! Oil looked ok, got it all loaded up ready for 4am start tomorrow.
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Southie
20-11-15, 07:53 PM
Thread name changed as requested ;)
Even got a smiley face!!! Now I feel special, more special than that weirdo Iain!!!
Cheers Mr Southie!!!
Popped to Donington Park today as House and Iain were doing their thing.
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They seemed to be enjoying the man loving with each other so I left them to it.
turbojolt
21-11-15, 10:33 PM
Good project this just read it all from the start.....more dramas then a episode of eastenders lol
Good project this just read it all from the start.....more dramas then a episode of eastenders lol
Thanks Mr Jolt, it's hardly a ground breaking project but I'm having fun, ironically going to the garage to try and avoid the drama of Eastenders and Corrie!! Fail!!!
Good day today with Iain and a few guests!! Vids to follow, some pics to follow too.
End result is left home at 4am, drove 340 miles, spent 6 hours tearing round Donnigton, ate a cheeseless pizza (That blew Iain's mind) just got home at 23.30.
Diff is properly cream crackered, gear shift is crap, need a Quaife ATB and a Hockly direct to turret shifter. Big updates coming, busy week of destruction ahead.
Can't wait to see how this develops over the winter months it's going to be an epic spec soon.
To add to Harvey's pictures, here's a video of me trying to keep up with 'House on a mission' towards the end of the day yesterday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMwXd3tV3BU&feature=youtu.be
You can see you're not even trying following me!!!
You're car is so much more stable than mine and you're inputs on the wheel look so much more controlled.
I'm going back to playing cricket!!!
Little vid unsuccesfully chasing Iain, normal service has been resumed, he's so much faster and more stable in the corners!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCOU8SKJE70&feature=youtu.be
I had my mate Mike with me all day, he's good for confidence and gave me some great pointers for picking up speed, also learnt some great tips on consistency regarding braking points and turn in markers. Was a good day!! I'm just not quick enough!!!
WTF is a cheeseless pizza? That just sauce on toast.
Love being able to see you holding it right up in the revs thru the corners at about min into the vid.
WTF is a cheeseless pizza? That just sauce on toast.
Love being able to see you holding it right up in the revs thru the corners at about min into the vid.
Hahahaha!!! I'm allergic to cheese!! Plus if you ditch the cheese it reduces the calorie count by about half, meaning you can eat more!!!!
Update coming, been busy today!!
phunkynova
23-11-15, 04:26 PM
Hi House 1983 if your going to be hitting the race track's regular a Quaife ATB is not the best choice by a long way.
Had a day off school today so decided to get some stuff done.
Dash out, all wiring out, getting renewed, haeter matrix gone, blower fan ditched.
Made an attempt at fitting my new pedal box.
Similar to seat mounts, I added a load plate to the tunnel.
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Then bridged across the car with some 3mm flat bar I had in stock
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Then offered the pedals up and worked out where the top mount needed to be
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Made a little bar up to span the top
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Added a spreader plate in for the top onto the bulkhead, didn't feel it need on on the left hand end.
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Pedals drilled and tapped with 6mm fixings for now to facilitate easy set-up and cable running, clutch cable attached and working, same with the throttle. Just the lines to make a start on now!!
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As I've ditched the heater I plated the hole and have decided to mount the resoviours there, not straght yet, need to remove it all for painting anyway!!
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c175/grahampointing/EAC08005-DF5A-4139-81EA-1C94CE7EEFA9.jpg (http://s27.photobucket.com/user/grahampointing/media/EAC08005-DF5A-4139-81EA-1C94CE7EEFA9.jpg.html)
Need a 90 elbow to make the hoses neater out of the reoviours.
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Engine needs to come out so I can run the new lines across the car properly and plate up the old servo hole. I'm looking for a portable snad blaster so I can blast the bay and re-paint it.
Hi House 1983 if your going to be hitting the race track's regular a Quaife ATB is not the best choice by a long way.
What are your thoughts?!?
phunkynova
23-11-15, 04:38 PM
It has to be a plate diff, most of them are good, I use a Tran-x on my tarmac rally car.
ATB's don't lock the diff to giving you two wheel grip but transfer the power from one wheel to the other.
Yeah I had a chat with a guy at Donny Saturday about this very thing, I'm not decided yet!! I've just had a look at the quaife Tran X one and there are loads of options on ramp angles and pre-loads, any advice?!
Also, having read through Lee303's project on MIG he's changed the plates 2 or 3 times, that puts me off a little, how do you find them for wear?!?
I like the ATB fit and forget idea!!!
Pics to do the talking.
Started at 9.30, by 11.15 engine was on the trolley in the garage.
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Was easy really, dropped all the suspension out as well, so that can be cleaned and painted, need to pate the wishbones and then get them powder coated along with the suspension and driveshafts. Next jobs include removable slam panel, degrease and clean everything up then paint the bay again.
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Pretty tidy under there, nothing to really cause any concern, will be degreased and then undersealed.
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Decent pedal box welding penetration!! happy with that.
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First time in 18 months it's been left outdoors and under the cover!!
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All the bits in the garage ready to be cleaned and checked, think I found what my whirring noise was, passenger inner CV pulled apart when I took the hub off!!
phunkynova
25-11-15, 05:47 PM
Yeah I had a chat with a guy at Donny Saturday about this very thing, I'm not decided yet!! I've just had a look at the quaife Tran X one and there are loads of options on ramp angles and pre-loads, any advice?!
Also, having read through Lee303's project on MIG he's changed the plates 2 or 3 times, that puts me off a little, how do you find them for wear?!?
I like the ATB fit and forget idea!!!
Mines been in the rally car 4 years now and still working fine as for setting I told Tran-x what I was going to use the car for and the set the diff for me and I've left it at that setting.
Mines been in the rally car 4 years now and still working fine as for setting I told Tran-x what I was going to use the car for and the set the diff for me and I've left it at that setting.
Thanks mate,
Elf called Quaife today to ask about a plate diff, having heard our applications they told him to stick with his ATB as he wouldn't feel the benefits of a plate over an ATB in what we do.
I'm don't know what to do, got a few months before I've got to decide!!!
phunkynova
25-11-15, 05:58 PM
Thanks mate,
Elf called Quaife today to ask about a plate diff, having heard our applications they told him to stick with his ATB as he wouldn't feel the benefits of a plate over an ATB.
OF COURSE Quaifa are going to tell you that, they would be bloody stupid to say anything other, it's like phoning Piper cams and asking if they think a Kent cam is better for your car !!!! what answer do you think the will give you ?
Little confused, here's a Quaife web page talking about Tran-X diffs, explain please. http://quaife.co.uk/quaife-products/limited-slip-differential/
phunkynova
25-11-15, 06:09 PM
Looks like Quaife have bought out Tran-x and going to run it down
If Piper cams own Kent Cams then it's possibly not a silly place to start.
I was always under the impression that Quaife offered both plate and ATB type diffs, hence the reason we asked for their advice on fitment.
BRoadGhost
25-11-15, 10:16 PM
Nope; only in the last few years this buyout has happened. I need to be careful what I say here as I've not even driven a FWD car with an LSD of any type BUT I'm told an ATB is not bullet proof and you still need to be mindful driving it hard; whereas the plate type only wears on the transition between open-locked locked-open.
RallyMarshal
26-11-15, 12:48 PM
Quaife used to offer just ATB style diffs
3 years ago they bought out Tran-X - I assume to acquire the plate diff tooling / product range / brand as probably cheaper than developing their own.
They now offer TranX branded plate diffs and Quaife branded ATB diffs. As an aside, the technical guys at TranX left and set up 3J driveline and make the NXG diff.
I run a TranX in the stage rallycar. I did do an events with an ATB but didnt like it at all. I like to "lean" on the diff out of slippery 2nd gear type corners and let it tighten the line but the ATB didnt do this.
Obviously a TranX costs more to run as it has the wearable plates but I would think a road/track car would do 2k-3k miles before being needed as its not really worked *that* much compared to the rallycar. It also depends how much preload is added - mine is tight enough to drive on one shaft and get me out of a stage (as proved in barbados where we did around 8 stage miles and 12 road miles to get back to service) although that really f*cks the plates.
Paul..
Thanks for the info Paul.
I did nearly 4,500 miles last year, I'm also not sure I've got the driving skill to be able to tell the difference between the 2 diffs if I'm honest. I just don't want it to spin the inside wheel out of hairpins and having been in Elf's car his ATB stops this from happening.
I really hate taking the box apart and dropping driveshafts out to change diff plates. I wanna drive it not fix it!!! Haha
I think if you are after ultimate lap times go with a plate diff ,if you just want an improvement on an open diff and limited maintainance then go with an ATB .my plate diff is fantastic ,but is a handful in damp conditions ,it's setup very tight and needed new plates after a season and a half
Thanks for the input Mr Mex, this is exactly what the guy at Donny said on Saturday. I don't think I'm good enough to drive the car hard enough to warrant a plate diff, plus Iain's ATB was a handful in the wet at Snet, I was on the power a lot earlier out of corners (may have been due to the crappy tyres he was running) I appreciate that ATB's aren't exactly fit and forget but from what I've read they're more fit and forget than the plate ones, I've also heard from Harvey that his plate diff clatters a little and I won't be able to handle that noise!!!
TallDave
27-11-15, 01:14 AM
An interesting debate on diffs, can I suggest you try to persuade Iain to let you have a run out in his car with the ATB, then maybe find someone who'll let you try their car with a plated diff fitted. That would I hope make it a little easier to make an informed decision, shouldn't it? Better start brushing up on your negotiating skills... :thumb:
Loving the direction your re-build is going in, I'll be following with added interest.
On the subject of your pedal box, I was looking at this option for my build, but an put off by the fact the whole assembly sits so far off to the left, especially as I've gone to a fair amount of effort to get the seat and steering wheel lined up. Imagine then my surprised when you've seemingly put the assembly even further over to the left...
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Are you sure this is a good decision (i.e. have you sat behind the wheel)?
As a matter of interest I'm giving serious consideration to retaining the standard throttle (albeit after a bit of custom bending) and making up my own two pedal assembly mounted right up against the base of the inner wheel arch, but then I'm a masochist who's apparently trying to make even more work for himself....
Love the video by the way, definitely better from the inside mounting point.
Getting Iain to let my drive his car would be harder than convincing my wife to perform a special Christmas performance on the pink oboe!!
However I could probably tempt him with cheese-less pizza. I need to drive one before making a final decision.
As for the pedal box I just put it where it looked right, it feels ok for me when sat in the drivers seat, that being said the entire driving position need to be played around with so nothing is final.
Not enough porn on here anymore so thought I'd add some
checking valve clearances, we've got an issue on the inlet valves, with the buckets and a 150' shim we've still got a valve clearance of 80'. Some more investigation needed here, we're checking the seat heights as we're not sure if the seats have been cut correctly.
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Bit of vac testing!! Darren just likes to see the sucker suck.
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Had to drill out one broken stud and tap the other 4 as they were a bit pooey.
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Decking
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Faced the bottom of the block aswell, will get my sump faced before it's fitted aswell, give it every chance of sealing!!
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CC'ing for compression ratio, currently at 12.75:1 little bit of work to get to 12.5:1
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Chambers and ports look good.
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Shiney, even took the core plugs out the head to make sure everything is correct.
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Just need to solve the valve clearance questions and we can look to get something built.
phunkynova
27-11-15, 08:25 PM
Are you use PH4 or PH5 Newman cams ? . I've just got a PH3 288 for my 1.4 8 valve.
PH5's mate. I'm told they're a little tasty!!!
TallDave
28-11-15, 01:40 AM
Just checked out the spec on the PH5's (yes I'm a full blooded anorak, what can I say!), so your not going to be pussy footing round the track then, with a rev range of 4 to 8k you'll need to get the lead boots on next year :eek:
Love the head, I've got my own Coscast stripped down and just begging to be given the same treatment, if you don't mind me asking who did the work, your engine builder or someone else?
Have I missed your proposed engine spec? If not, I don't suppose you'd like to give all us slavering types a run down of your build plans, slurp!
Keep up the good work.
Hey Mr Tall, I'm not gonna go into all the hassle I had with the start of the engine build it's well documented on here!!! but as far as I know the initial headwork was carried out by Steveboyslim on here, with hand finishing by He who must not be named, I believe Mr Steve has the Swindon Racing Engines jigs to do the port boring and then the chambers and ports finished by The dark lord by hand.
Despite me pointing out flaws in He who shall remain nameless' business practices and some of the quality of parts he was using for my engine, the boys at Modus have given the head work the double thumbs up and are really impressed with it.
The basic run down is :-
Early XE block
86.5mm super tech forged pistons
Williams rods
Early crank
12.5:1 CR
Coscast head port bored to SRE specs (So I'm told)
Newman PH5 inlet and exhaust cams
+1mm wasted stem inlet and exhaust valves
solid buckets with Piper double valve springs
Modus lightened flywheel
Helix 4 paddle clutch and cover plate
Everything is being balanced
All running through my Jenvey direct to head Throttle bodies with blue VXR injectors
Mapping and running in will be by Track and Road
The levels of detail Darren and Jay at Modus work to are amazing, everything has been stripped, all oil galleries scrubbed, the engine will be cleaner than when it left Vauxhall!!
I'm not sure on power output, the old XE I built with QED Q42 cams, no real head work and 11:1 CR made 201 at the wheels so I'd say maybe 225 at the crank, these PH5's are more brutal and the CR is higher along with the head work I'd hope to see over 230 at the crank but don't hold out any hopes regarding final power.
I wouldn't be surprised if the head was done by Neil Roper ,I am led to believe he is known by Steve and is one of the best in the business
Possibly mate, I don't know exactly who did it but it is pretty bloody good!!
We'll see soon enough hoping to be in the car for end of Feb!!
Good spec on that engine! What you gonna rev it to?
Thanks mate, rev limit will depend on the power curve when we map it. The balancing will be good enough for 10k but the crank wont do that, reading up on the cam info 4-8, I'm guessing somewhere at around 8250 but we'll see. It scares me revving that high so I'll not be going up there too often!! hahaha
Nice! Should be a barrel of fun when it's ready.
Once it's all working i wanna see vid's with IaIn behind you on track...
Once it's all working i wanna see vid's with IaIn behind you on track...
I'll be honest I'm surprised we weren't black flagged at Snet & Donny, it was blatant that we were having a little go with each other and it's supposed to be no racing!!!
Iain has the edge at the minute though, bigger balls I think, I'll just have to catch him down the straights!!!
Ha sounds like a very fun day!
turbojolt
29-11-15, 01:06 PM
I think it's easy to forget how much longer has been using his nova in anger and the shear amount of track days he has done in the car as well. He knows the thing inside out.
This engine build sounds awesome
I think it's easy to forget how much longer has been using his nova in anger and the shear amount of track days he has done in the car as well. He knows the thing inside out.
This engine build sounds awesome
Yeah!!! Doesn't mean I don't want to beat the big gay bear though!! hahaha
Engine build has been a long time coming, can't wait for it to be done.
Also thinking about suspension setup, everyone says higher poundage springs are the way forward but I disagree.
BRoadGhost
29-11-15, 05:08 PM
If you knife edged the crank along with balancing, ARP mains with doweling / girdle no reason why 9k couldn't be reliable
RallyMarshal
29-11-15, 06:03 PM
Thanks mate, rev limit will depend on the power curve when we map it. The balancing will be good enough for 10k but the crank wont do that, reading up on the cam info 4-8, I'm guessing somewhere at around 8250 but we'll see. It scares me revving that high so I'll not be going up there too often!! hahaha
The Astra engine is set to 8200 but thats partly because it was still being run in when mapped due to time constraints.
It made 227 flywheel and 177lb/ft - graph below.. Its an SBD 230kit on solids / TBs etc. Thats with std valves and a little hand porting. Yours should make more if the cam profile works well.
http://www.teamrallymarshal.co.uk/gallery/TarmacAstraGTE/TarmacAstraGTE_Build63.jpg
Paul..
Thanks for the info Paul, I would be over the moon with 230!! Anything more will be a nice little bonus!! So I'm encouraged to see that graph and hear the spec that produced it!!
Mr Ghost, I can knife edge the crank easily enough but with the cams listed 4-8 I don't know if 9 is needed!! I've also just bought brand new main cap bolts!!
Also what do you mean by girdle?!? A support for the main caps?!? Not heard of those before?!?
BRoadGhost
29-11-15, 07:18 PM
Cams can be listed in my instance (currently) 1500-6500; that didn't stop peak power being at over 8.5 ~ it's everything else that can characterise power curve. Climbing the revs is gonna come down to how well the harmonics can be regulated (failures aside only wear rates increase).
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Yeah I get your point!! I'll speak to Darren tomorrow, I don't think we're balanced up yet so no extra work!!
And 9k is ok with a standard crank if we need to go that high?!?
Where can I get a girdle from?! Is it a standard part on something?!?
You shouldn't need to go near 9000 tbh - mine peaks at 8260 (ish - 244 bhp and 184lb/ft) and makes torque and power in the right places for where I need it.... Sure, if I fiddled about I could probably get it over 250 - but for reliability and driveability (some road use) it just doesn't make sense.
Thanks Will, what you've said mirrors the conversation I've just had on the phone with Jay. At the end of the day I want realiable solid power.
What basic spec gave you those figures?
steveboyslim
30-11-15, 11:34 AM
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TallDave
30-11-15, 12:46 PM
Hey Mr Tall, I'm not gonna go into all the hassle I had with the start of the engine build it's well documented on here!!!
Ahhh, now you mention it I seem to remember those earlier posts, albeit quite a long time back, tbh I think all the XE bad news posts have started to merge into one...lol or should that be... :cry:?
Still the subsequent comments about the build have been very instructive, as for me I'd be happy to see something north of 200bhp so long as it has a big fat torque curve to aid poking the thing up the road pdq.
Be interesting to hear any comments about dry sump v's standard wet sump, especially on a track day/race car where long bends are more likely to result in oil starvation? Bring it on guys...
I only sorted the port boring for Phil, so Neil did not finish the head.
knife edging the crank will not add any available rpm use, you will run into problems with the oil pump, oil frothing and crank flex(harmonic) problems.
There are steel inner and outer gears available but if that rpm is to be used a dry sump kit should be used.
Steve
Cool, thanks for clearing the port boring up Steve.
As you say and we seem to all agree my end, we're not sure there is a huge gain to be made by going up to 9k, the other problems it presents really outweigh the possible gains. I've no inclination to start fitting dry sumps for the sake of 5 bhp.
Not sure if you've seen my other thread about valve clearances?!? Wondered what your input on it would be?
Mr Tall, I'm just happy it's all getting sorted and built!!! Anywhere around 230 and reliable will make me very happy!!
Ahhh, now you mention it I seem to remember those earlier posts, albeit quite a long time back, tbh I think all the XE bad news posts have started to merge into one...lol or should that be... :cry:?
Still the subsequent comments about the build have been very instructive, as for me I'd be happy to see something north of 200bhp so long as it has a big fat torque curve to aid poking the thing up the road pdq.
Be interesting to hear any comments about dry sump v's standard wet sump, especially on a track day/race car where long bends are more likely to result in oil starvation? Bring it on guys...
The dry sump really depends on what tyres you are going to use ,I managed to kill a 1400 8v at Lydden hill using slicks ,it was a baffled sump but Chessons is a long bend .so if you intend to use decent tyres On Tarmac i would suggest going he dry sump route ,failing that an Accusump
I'm using R888's semi slicks, I've not had a baffled sump and so far not experienced any oil pressure problems. that being said the only track with any hard long right handers, other than the right in Craners at Donny, which when turning in at 110 I wasn't looking at the gauge, Mike didn't flag anything up and as co-pilot it was his job to monitor while I was holding on to the steering wheel for dear life!!
My sump for the new engine is on it's way to Mr Dewis (from Mig) to be baffled, Iain has this done to his and hasn't had any oil pressure problems, he uses slicks too!!
BRoadGhost
30-11-15, 09:19 PM
Steve; gonna have to disagree that taking mass off a crank wouldn't facilitate a more reliable faster spinning engine. Dry sump isn't just for improved oil circulation, it allows the components to operate in a vacuum.
Steve do you still have access to steel inner / outers?
On another note, don't think I said above but now you mention it Mr Ghost, I have the inner steel gear for sure but will need to check the outer!! Thanks for the reminder
Darren sent these over today, think he's getting carried away and starting to enjoy himself!!
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I had asked for pink but he said there were fresh out!!!
BRoadGhost
30-11-15, 11:02 PM
Bores look perfect; 86.50mm?
Bores look perfect; 86.50mm?
Yes sir, it does look fantastic!! Can't wait to start to see it all coming together!! Maybe by the time I'm back from India we'll have an engine!!
Block looks great with all the new plugs and oil screws.
Yeah it does look pretty good, all the oil ways have been scrubbed and cleaned out, with new plugs. Darren has really gone to town on it!!
He enjoys working on the XE, he thinks they look good when all built up and shiney.
Need to get my throttle bodies down to them to check they match the head and adjust them accordingly.
Have you considered methanol injection? I hear it can be quite effective on high comp n/a aswell, not juat turbos. It will allow you to advance the timing a nice amount amd would probably gain you the extra power you would get from reving it to 9.
I haven't looked at that Rob, I'll be honest I'm not chasing a massive power figure, I'll just be happy with solid reliable power. 230bhp & 180ft/lb everyday of the week will make me very happy.
If this isn't 400bhp N/A then this thread might as well be closed and/or deleted to not waste any more time. What's wrong with 8k and 230bhp!!!
Block looks tasty theyre going to do a great job of building it up. Do you get it run in or is that up to you?
230brake in a nova on itb's will be epic, I don't think anyone is doubting that lol. All I was saying is he could make a bit more power with methanol and not have to rev it any further than 8.
If this isn't 400bhp N/A then this thread might as well be closed and/or deleted to not waste any more time. What's wrong with 8k and 230bhp!!!
Block looks tasty theyre going to do a great job of building it up. Do you get it run in or is that up to you?
It'll be going to Track and road to be run in, the I'll literally check it fires at home for 5 seconds then it'll be onto the trailer and up to them to be run in, this way they can make sure the fuelling is 100% correct for the engine, the first 20 mins of running will dictate what sort of engine it will be and how long it'll last, the Track and Road guys know how to run an engine in, they'll do some low rev cells to allow us to bed the rings, all the very low rev low load stuff then just a gentle running in period, maybe an hour or so, then some higher rev stuff and more running in, then oil change and some power mapping.
We expect this to take all day, the above is only my understanding, Steve and Jim will be in charge, with some input from Modus I don't want to take it away on a part map as I did this before with my old engine back in 2003 and found it nearly impossible not to kick the ass out of it!! Better that it's done on the rollers under strict supervision with someone else's right foot!!!
Rob, I don't know how to double quote!!! haha We're all in agreement that 8k is more than enough. I guess if we find that at 8250 the power is still rising then it'll be an excuse to have it all apart next winter and do the dry sump and electric water pump and all the other mad things that will allow it to go mental!! (oooooo steel crank)
My brother played around with methanol on his Saxo but couldn't get it right, can't remember why!! haha
Win.
I'm excited for you.
I'm as excited as a virgin with a fit date for prom!!!
bazzap8389
01-12-15, 08:51 PM
Looking good! Exciting times.
BRoadGhost
02-12-15, 10:39 PM
You don't cockblock Mclovin
You don't cockblock Mclovin
No-one cock blocks Mclovin!!!!
Quick engine update, no pics as I'm waiting on the progress photos from the boys.
Essentially it appears that someone (I can't even write the C units name) decided that +1mm inlet valves could just be fitted into standard valve seats and that +1mm exhaust valves should have seats cut so deep that they were recessed so deeply into the head we barely needed a shim on the bucket.
The bottom line is, we need to replace all 16 valve seats and re-cut all the valve seats and re-lap all the valves, then we need to blend the throats into the new valve seats. It's a lot of extra work but we have a solution and we're now working towards it, with any luck by the time I'm back from India 21st December we should have something that looks like an engine!!
I better get my ass in gear and get the rest of the car ready!!!
Edit to add I've just been told by Steveslim that the exhaust will work with +1 valves on standard seats, so I retract my previous statement regarding the exhaust seats.
nova_niek
07-12-15, 01:45 PM
It'll be going to Track and road to be run in, the I'll literally check it fires at home for 5 seconds then it'll be onto the trailer and up to them to be run in, this way they can make sure the fuelling is 100% correct for the engine, the first 20 mins of running will dictate what sort of engine it will be and how long it'll last, the Track and Road guys know how to run an engine in, they'll do some low rev cells to allow us to bed the rings, all the very low rev low load stuff then just a gentle running in period, maybe an hour or so, then some higher rev stuff and more running in, then oil change and some power mapping.
Had a chat with a local motor rebuild specialist recently. He made an interesting statement regarding bedding in piston rings. Read on.
Harley-Davidson occasionally tests a freshly build motorbike (every one hundreth or so) by thrashing the nuts off it from the very first second. This in order to check performance figures and such. These particular bikes are sold on the the buying public, along with their non-thrashed bikes. Allegedly the bikes that have had their necks wringed, NEVER return for oil consumption or performance warranty claims. The theory behind this is that piston rings bed in (and subsequently seal) best when they are given a good kicking right after fitment. This essentially throws all running-in advice out the window.
Does anyone have thoughts on this?
Bedding in rings is a massive debate and subject on it's own. I never found two bits of advice the same when I was looking into it. At least giving it to someone else gives you some more confidence.
I've been researching this very thing and having read Lee303's build thread on Mig as well as others who seem to have used the hard is best from the off method.
I've discussed it briefly with Modus as to their thoughts and also Jim at Track and Road, my worry would be making sure the fuelling is correct as the very worst thing would be to run it in hard on a map that isn't correct.
The thought process is that the "gentle" no loading method was used because the machining tolerances weren't as good as they are now.
The "hard" process is meant to force the rings against the cylinder walls and therefore create a better seal as the rings are forced to mate to the cylinder wall instead of gently polishing the walls as it may do when gently running in.
As above it's not that easy to run an engine hard when you don't have the correct fuelling, I guess we could richen the mixture up across the whole map, run it hard, then make some adjustments to get it closer fueling for the 10-15 hard runs needed to bed the rings.
Like I say Track and Road map new engines everyday of the week, I'm certain they'll know the very best way to do it.
Gutting on the Valves!
Running in is a 2sided camp i found.
The valve seats are in a long list of little things in this engine that just didn't make sense.
Despite no-one having heard of different Coscast castings, we have a Coscast head that has smaller throats than a GM head and another Coscast head that we measured it against. This is really strange, QED haven't heard of different Coscast castings but Jay said there is a suffix after the part number, very strange.
It seems that we should in-fact have +1 inlet valve seats that should then have had the throats opened up to match the bigger valve seats, then lapped in, this will lower the size of the shim needed on the inlet side, solving the question as to why the inlet valve clearance was so big.
What gets me is that the valves were all lapped in, meaning that "someone" thought the seats were ok and usable as they are, which they definitely are not, guess it's the same drill with the unpolished crank and no valve spring seats, more top quality engine building from you know who and I don't mean Lord Voldemort!!!
Just had a long conversation with Jay regarding running in, some very insightful things!!
This chat was on the phone whilst I was on the train, so I may have missed some of the very technical parts of the conversation but the general jist of it all is summarised below.
So, it's very important to remember that the running in period has absolutely nothing to do with wearing in main or big end bearing shells, as there should never be contact between those surfaces, so therefore there is nothing to "run in".
There is a small amount of running in for cams and cam "bearings" but the majority of the running in procedure is focused towards making sure the rings "seal" to the bores correctly and in such a way that they will give a long career of good piston ringyness.
Running in also depends on how the engine has been honed, Modus use a cork fine honer as the final stages of honing (Jay said come Jap manufacturers use a very fine stone, the end result is the same), my understanding of this is, when a block is fine honed, the bores are left with tiny "peaks and troughs" hence the criss cross you can see, the cork honer effectively blunts the peaks off the peaks, it is then easier for the piston rings to "wear" into those peaks during running in. If the peaks are not "blunted" then the peaks themselves will actually either cut into the piston rings or the peaks will literally "bend" over and in doing so fill the troughs. This has 2 effects, it reduces the amount of oil that the bores can retain for lubrication and also can cause excessive piston ring wear due the lack of lubrication and the sharpness of the peaks.
All running types of running in will "seal" the rings to the bore, it's simply a question of how long that "seal" will last.
Jay said that neither an overly gentle run in or an excessively hard run in are correct, it's essential the engine is run with a minimal amount of load as possible and a varying degree of revs and a lot of coasting to create negative pressure below the piston, constant revs for extended periods are also not advised accelerating on 3/4 throttle up through the revs with load isn't advised.
Jay said one of the most important things is oil, fully synthetic oil is a massive no no, it's simply too good at lubricating, it doesn't allow the rings to "grip" the bores and help with the blunting of the "peaks and troughs". The best oil to use is a mineral oil with added zinc to help the process he did explain this bit but I may have been in a tunnel at the time!!
If possible dyno running in is preferred as the load can be specifically controlled and changed to suit the revs that the engine is running at, Connaught a big player in the Ford engine world down this way run all their engines in on the engine dyno, they run in with light loads over the entire rev range for approximately an hour, then drop the mineral oil add new mineral oil and power map the engine, then drop the oil and onto the preferred engine oil job done.
Running in seems to be divided into two camps, one that wants to drive gently for 500 miles on the road with no revs and no real loading and one that want to give it a hard time the minute it's out the box. It seems that, assuming the honing has been carried out correctly, the answer is somewhere in the middle.
I'm happy that Track and Road will be able to map the car, hold any desired rev, with zero load (except transmission loads) if required or whatever load deemed appropriate and set the fuel safely to allow that running in to be safe.
No doubt this post will be rubbished by some pretty quickly and Modus branded idiots that don't know what they're doing and shouldn't be allowed to build performance engines but having seen some of the engines these guys have built that the owners have done exactly what Modus have advised I know where my money will be.
I also apologise if some of the terminology isn't 100% accurate.
Hillclimber16v
07-12-15, 10:13 PM
One thing I'm sure of running in with no load at all is no good , you do need to get the piston rings to get pushed toward the cilinderwall.
The part about bending the peaks I find hard to believe, they wear off and grind the rings to a better seal I've been told and read in the past.
There was once a test from Yamaha I believe that compared two bikes , one easy on the throttle the other warm up and 3/4 open cool down
Warm up again 100%. resulted in better performance and less oil consumpion.
In my own experiance 10W40 good quality does the job no need for expensive high grade oils and lost of marketing to pay for.
I won't say these higer grade don't do the job but I've never had a single problem with my 10W40 oils in the 14 years of competition experiance.
BRoadGhost
07-12-15, 10:16 PM
I did few revs / load for first 100 odd miles increasing to a limit of 6,000rpm at 500 miles followed by oil change. After that it's seen more load & rpm, but not upto redline on the road. Just keep changing the oil to begin with once it goes black circa 3k miles & you wont go far wrong.
Other thing to check in my experience is cam belt after 500 miles as it tends to slacken off slightly.
One thing I'm sure of running in with no load at all is no good , you do need to get the piston rings to get pushed toward the cilinderwall.
The part about bending the peaks I find hard to believe, they wear off and grind the rings to a better seal I've been told and read in the past.
There was once a test from Yamaha I believe that compared two bikes , one easy on the throttle the other warm up and 3/4 open cool down
Warm up again 100%. resulted in better performance and less oil consumpion.
In my own experiance 10W40 good quality does the job no need for expensive high grade oils and lost of marketing to pay for.
I won't say these higer grade don't do the job but I've never had a single problem with my 10W40 oils in the 14 years of competition experiance.
You're right running in with zero load, is not correct, I've just re-read and it needs editing to say "it is essential the engine is run in with the minimal amount of load needed to ensure the rings "seal" correctly" I haven't worded that bit very well!!! The meaning I'm trying to get at is too much load is bad!!
Bending the peaks is the term Jay used, I wasn't in a tunnel when he said that bit!! I guess on a microscopic level the peaks are flatted over into the troughs, that's the point that was trying to be conveyed.
I'm cool with 10/40 mate, I actually use 10/60 now for trackdays, the running in oil Jay speaks of isn't expensive, it's just a mineral oil with a zinc additive (I imagine there are other special things added into it aswell to aid running in) I wont be paying top dollar for it, I imagine I'll get 15 litres as a little present from the guys!!
I did few revs / load for first 100 odd miles increasing to a limit of 6,000rpm at 500 miles followed by oil change. After that it's seen more load & rpm, but not upto redline on the road. Just keep changing the oil to begin with once it goes black circa 3k miles & you wont go far wrong.
Other thing to check in my experience is cam belt after 500 miles as it tends to slacken off slightly.
All my running in will be done on the rolling road by Track and Road, I've previously discussed it with them and they have their own way of running in that is not dissimilar to the one Jay spoke of on the phone, essentially, mapping the car low down with light loads, all over the rev range up to 5k ish, then oil change and power mapping.
Then run the car and come back after 1500 miles for any map tweaks.
nova_niek
14-12-15, 08:34 AM
Lots in interesting insights with regards to running in. One matter everyone seems to agree on is running in with minimal to zero load is a bad idea.
The fine honing is also known as "plateau honing" which makes for shorter running in/bedding in time.
Speaking of honing: from a reliable source I was told the Japanese bore and hone a block in a matter of seconds. This makes for rather unround (for lack of a better word) bores which makes you wonder why their engines last as long as they do. Proper boring and honing (and fine honing) takes a hours rather than seconds.
Jay said the Japanese do some funky things when it comes to boring and honing but it seems to work for them!!!
Got a few things done,
Car has been completely stripped from the steering wheel forward, got the upper firewall cut out.
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Found a little hole under the battery clamp, cut that out and did some CAD to get a little repair in there.
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Then set about filling the un needed holes in the firewall itself, bit of weldy weldy and grindy grindy, also filled a few screw hole that were about and removed the metal tabs for the fuel and brake pipes that are no longer needed.
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Got the wire brush out on the drill and attacked the hammerite, I've ordered a little sand blaster for the air line that I think will take off the rest as it's not stuck very well, got a guy that's prepared to spray the bay and inside cheap enough so just getting it prepped for him is the main goal. He said to Etch prime any bare metal areas as he can deal with it easier than he can deal with hammerite!!
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Busy as for the next 5 weeks so don't expect a huge amount of progress, have got some Schultz to re-underseal the rear once the front is finished I can jack up the rear and remove the beam and attack it under there, I know it's solid so just needs wire brushing and re-coating.
Then I need to move the passenger seat, make a mount up for the tank on the floor where the rear bench used to sit and get the battery into the passenger footwell behind a footrest that i've already got.
Started the new dash aswell.
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That's about it really!!
Also been playing with some big boys toys this week in London right opposite the O2 arena.
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18 Metre to the top floor, not the biggest we've done but the first needing a tower crane for installation, was good fun in gusting 45mph winds
Like the bay welding wish I'd done similar plating mine over. Not as much hammerite as I thought. Going to look 100% better in the bay after all this.
Like the bay welding wish I'd done similar plating mine over. Not as much hammerite as I thought. Going to look 100% better in the bay after all this.
It's not the prettiest but it's a track car not a show car!!
8valve-craig
18-01-16, 08:24 AM
Have you ever thought about racing this car?
http://www.trackattackraceclub.com/pages/season-overview.php?season_id=36
josh-sri
18-01-16, 08:52 AM
Nice work on the shell there, I wish I'd remembered to keep the wiper motor mount when I chopped all mine out! Going to be fun when it comes to mounting it now lol
Looking good dude, nice welding too.
No speedo cable? Going posh clocks?
Have you ever thought about racing this car?
http://www.trackattackraceclub.com/pages/season-overview.php?season_id=36
I haven't got the balls for racing mate!! Or the time, or the money, I'm having to scale back stuff I'm doing as it is due to our adoption. I couldn't commit to racing properly and if I can't commit properly then there's no point!! Plus adhering to blue book specs is a lot of work!!
Looking good dude, nice welding too.
No speedo cable? Going posh clocks?
Maybe ;)lol;)lol
All will be revealed shortly!! Well maybe not shortly as I'm flat out with work but it'll be revealed in good time!! haha
Nice work on the shell there, I wish I'd remembered to keep the wiper motor mount when I chopped all mine out! Going to be fun when it comes to mounting it now lol
Thanks mate, it's all taken a back seat at the minute but it'll be done for the start of March!!
As for the wiper, I've not seen enough "easily" converted single wipers to go for it!! I'm going to weld a thin strip down the edge to give it some strength, should make it strong enough. Due to the new dash setup I'll only have slow speed function anyway so it'll never be flat out!!
8valve-craig
18-01-16, 07:56 PM
Cool, if you change your mind your car is perfect for the series. Ignore most of the blue book, it's only the safety bit that you really need to read.
Re wiper, Fiat Uno one is perfect.
Cool, if you change your mind your car is perfect for the series. Ignore most of the blue book, it's only the safety bit that you really need to read.
Re wiper, Fiat Uno one is perfect.
Thanks mate!!
As for the wiper, it still looks like a lot of hassle!! haha
I used the Uno one. Fit's the better out of them all. But i was never happy with it.
TallDave
19-01-16, 06:02 PM
It's not the prettiest but it's a track car not a show car!!
Ah a mine after my own heart....:thumb:
As for the wiper, I've not seen enough "easily" converted single wipers to go for it!! I'm going to weld a thin strip down the edge to give it some strength, should make it strong enough. Due to the new dash setup I'll only have slow speed function anyway so it'll never be flat out!!
I've just posted a pic of my installation (http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?210119-Another-bloomin-Rally-Car-build-rebuild/page6) using the standard Nova wiper mount as a base, going single wiper but want to find a right hand park wiper arm, anyone else done that?
Thanks Mr Tall sir, I've had a look and am impressed, I'm sticking with the original position I think, I've got so much else to do!!!!
Your dash is quite simply put the fookin nuts!!!! I will be trying something similar, I'm using switches for headlights, dipped and main, indicators, single speed wiper, as basic as I can make it!! Trying to make it a real track car!!! haha
Mr Tall, you live in Southampton yet i've never seen or heard of you... How is that even possible?
Here you go Benn, just ordered this bad boy!!
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Ordered a fuel gauge too, just need to drill it into my tank!!
It's got a little speed sensor for the digital speedo and all the tell tale lights needed, this will go in place of the original clocks on a custom aluminum sheet, with my gauges that were in my radio slot aswell as some pretty cool little dash lights i've got.
Ah cool. Nice and compact.
I'd love to do management that can do a signal you can run thru a tablet. So you can have it custom set up with gauges on the screen. Only seen it done once and it looked awesome.
I'd love to do management that can do a signal you can run thru a tablet. So you can have it custom set up with gauges on the screen. Only seen it done once and it looked awesome.
My brother is trying this with his 1.8T Corrado!!
Nice, funny i saw it in a mk3 Golf.
Bay and interior blasting planned for 2 weeks time, thanks to Iain for the lending of some welded standard suspension and a standard rack to move it around.
The guys are going to blast the bay and interior and blow a mist coat of primer over it to allow me to do some welding and playing around, then I can get it into paint.
I'm so busy with work it's gonna be mid March before it's into paint I think.
Dunno when the first trackday is planned but Iain is ruining things in his car too at the minute so no rush!!!
No pressure but this needs to be ready for April.
No pressure but this needs to be ready for April.
We'll both be using your car then!!!
It's been a while, a few things have happened, the best weather of the year so far had me outside at 8am.
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Attacked the rest of the engine bay with some wire wheels to get the hammerite off.
As is unsurprising I found some rotty mcrottison where the vertical bolts hold the tie bars on.
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Cut out and plated, Iain tells me he did this and it split apart again so I'll be keeping an eye on it in the future.
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Had to do the other side aswell
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Then the real fun started
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Bit of etch primer
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The finish isn't great but it's a track car and I've run out of time to get it blasted and sprayed so it'll have to do for this year.
Re-fitting the hubs tomorrow, hopefully get the pedal box in and fixed and also the new heel plate and I'm going to try and get some brake lines in tomorrow if I can. Would like to have the engine back in over the next few weekends, ordered my new wiring module from CBS will make re-wiring the car again a lot easier!!
So with my wife away last night I had a few beers then got bored so was back out in the garage at 9 last night, carried out a few less noisey jobs!!
Removable slam panel installed, not really sure why i've got this other than the fact I cut the old one out!!!!! So kind of had to!!
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Threw the bumper, grill headlights back in, used some riv-nuts to hold the headlights and grill in which looks loads better than the old self tappers.
That was it for last night at 10.30, I retired to bed to watch Hot Fuzz.
This morning at 7,45 I started again.
First job, get rid of this.
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The holes for the bonnet pins, really annoyed me, I drilled the first ones but they moved when the bonnet was changed, the pins never settled properly and use to move around.
I intended to weld a plate on and tap with M10 for the pins and a lock nut, however, whatever thread these are they are not M10, required a quick re-think, not the prettiest but it's a track car!!!!!
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Captivated the nuts then welded the plates to the slam, looks dog shit but it's strong and zero flex in the pins now, which I'm happy about!!!
Then I refitted the front hubs, they look crap but I can get them powder coated at some point, with those fitted I was able to start the new front brake lines,
actually quite enjoyed making the lines up!!
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Reasonably happy with them, the other side runs the same, the pipe doesn't touch any body work at any point.
Then I moved the drives seat back and bolted the pedal box in to allow me to form the internal lines, but it started raining so washed the car quickly and packed up.
Then this evening after dinner I made a start on the dash and carried on with the switch panel.
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Pretty happy with that, got a red light going in beside the oil pressure gauge for low oil pressure, adding a green light below the water temp for the shift light. The switch panel is coming on well, I've got a strip of warning lights going in above the switches on the line where the blue arrow is, indicators, handbrake, full beam and battery indicator.
Ordered this
http://www.carbuildersolutions.com/uk/cbs-12-circuit-wiring-module
It's a pre wired module to replace all the elctrics, reckon it'll make wiring a load easier!!
As for the stereo hole, thinking of adding a fuel pressure, fuel level and voltage but not completely decided on those yet.
That's it for now.
josh-sri
04-04-16, 09:40 AM
Nice work mate, welding looks spot on. I nearly lost the will to live trying to fit my areocatches, ended up doing a similar thing to you lol
Woohoo some progress, it's almost like there's a chance of seeing this on track this year.
Loving your work look, everything looking good. Nice welding too.
But this photo.
The seams at the left, chassis leg to bulk head and down on to the leg,(that seem takes alot of stress) you really want that welded up. THat's a weak point in my eyes, that's the only seem i've seen spilt.
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Southie
04-04-16, 12:50 PM
Gauges look nice, have you a fuel gauge to match then?
EDIT: just noticed the earlier post, which has a digital reading in the rev counter ;)
8valve-craig
04-04-16, 02:27 PM
I've got a strip of warning lights going in above the switches on the line where the blue arrow is, indicators, handbrake, full beam and battery indicator.
Your rev counter has all of those built into it, Apart from battery low. If that's a switched earth though wire it to "N" (no power).
Thanks for the comments
Craig, I don't know where my brain is at, you're right it does!! I'll use a red light for low oil pressure though as it's easier to spot than the green "N", everything else can be in the rev counter.
Benn, I'll have those welded this evening for you!!!
Iain, there's a slim chance it'll be on track this year!! Might get it finished in time to start winter re-build 2016!!!!
Southie, the fuel gauge is in rev counter, was going to add a separate fuel gauge but think I'll stick with the built in one.
Benn, I'll have those welded this evening for you!!!
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For you more, this is being a awesome build, wouldn't wanna see it tear itself apart.
For you more, this is being a awesome build, wouldn't wanna see it tear itself apart.
I lied, haven't welded them yet but I will!! I'm also not sure I'd describe it as awesome mate, Iain thinks it's shit and I agree!!
So today I got home at 4pm and thought, hmmmmm drop the rear brake lines out. Up she went on stands inside the garage (tight like a tiger), started dropping the rear lines, then thought, how easy is that beam to get off........ too easy, 10 minutes later beam off.
Doesn't look too bad, bit flakey.
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I knew it was starting to go and expected once I attacked with the wire brush I'd find holes and proper rot, I wasn't expecting this......
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Totally surprised, it's solid, cleaned up really well, little bits of surface but nothing flakey, certainly no holes or major rust round the suspension mounts, it had just started lifting the underseal, I reckon I caught it just in time, another winter or two and it would have been too far gone. All the suspension mounts are solid and really good, so happy I can't put it into words!!!
After a bit more cleaning and wire brushing, brake cleanered everything, air lined it dry, left it for 10 minutes to completely evaporate and then boom....
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I used Wurth Schultz cos I managed to get 3 big cans on an invoice for one of the companies I do some work for as parts!! so effectively it was free!!
Got some Dinitrol to spray up inside all the chassis legs and every nook and cranny once the under-sealing is done,
I'm really happy with it and can't wait to get onto the rest of the underside up to the engine bay, now I need to re-furb the beam, although I'm tempted to throw the existing one back in, get it running and then steal the one Iain has and re-furb that and then throw it on at some point, need to get this back on the road and drive it!!!
totalnova
05-04-16, 08:51 PM
Did you spray anything on the bare metal like etch primer before the Schultz?
No is the short answer!!!
It didn't say on the can to etch prime any bare metal, it just said remove and loose rust and ensure it was clean and free from dirt????
I'm sure I'll enjoy re-doing it all again in a years time!!!!
8valve-craig
05-04-16, 09:52 PM
Who welded in the rear beam mount gussets? Were they there before you got the car? Have you noticed them?
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