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The Simps
25-09-13, 11:11 PM
Cheers bud
The Simps
29-09-13, 09:22 PM
Engine back out today now I now where the front chassis legs needed to be. All then levelled up ready to build the climbing frame!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/file-28.jpg
My word, so much cutout... Good work on getting in what you have... Let the monkey bars comence.
The Simps
29-09-13, 09:49 PM
Having an ass of a time getting a grinder in to cut the rest of the bulkhead out around the bonnet hinges. Grrrr....
Johnny A
29-09-13, 10:01 PM
Having an ass of a time getting a grinder in to cut the rest of the bulkhead out around the bonnet hinges. Grrrr....
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/578146_10152623366885214_1362229911_n.jpg
Buy a elec saw? They have a smaller end and greater reach.
The Simps
30-09-13, 08:36 AM
Yeah, I have thought about that.
dgbnova#1
30-09-13, 08:58 AM
You could give leatherface a call think he's on 1 800 cannibal if you look it http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w535/dgbnova1/2013-09-30_08-51-39_zpsb4986922.png
Great build one day I will tackle somethin like this one day!
I used an air saw to cut all mine out. So quick and neat
The Simps
12-10-13, 07:48 PM
Bought myself a reciprocating saw which turned up yesterday so I got to work this afternoon. Cut the rest of the bulkhead out I needed to then started on profiling some tube. Firstly the small pieces in each bottom corner...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/file-29.jpg
Followed by some bigger bits!...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/file-30.jpg
I then drilled holes straight through the box section and started tagging it into the bulkhead...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/file-31.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/file-32.jpg
That believe it or not took me around 5hrs! Profiling and checking is sooooo time consuming. But I'm getting there.
Thanks for looking.
Good working with the framing bars dude. Coming on..
Johnny A
13-10-13, 01:26 PM
Looking good mate
The Simps
20-10-13, 08:02 PM
So spent this afternoon undoing what I did last weekend! lol Had a long hard think and wasn't happy with the 1st design so have gone with this now...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/null_zpsfc3e4ca0.jpg
By doing this it will be easier to make the bulkhead and I will put another horizontal in in the old position too and link it up to it further, following the profile of the a-pillers. And if my guesserments are correct the new horizontal will also be in a good spot for gearbox clearance and the tunnel opening. Obviously still needs the sides of the tunnel.
The Simps
21-10-13, 08:43 AM
Be finished next weekend mate, just got a little bit of welding to do lol
The Simps
03-11-13, 07:10 PM
Small update from this afternoons work.
Started by making the 2 diagonals that tie the bulkhead into the chassis rails, mounting just before the subframe mounts...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/null_zpsf6a3b718.jpg
I then drilled out the top subframe mount holes in order to insert some crush tubes, this will be welded in later...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/null_zpseeb74414.jpg
Next up was to start making my turret tops. Sadly my 86mm hole saw has seen better days so had to stop but plan on sourcing a new one tomorrow! So got all the subframe and jig all mounted up ready to go...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/null_zps27706f98.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/null_zps100a97d9.jpg
More soon hopefully! Really want the front end done now.
nova_niek
04-11-13, 08:07 AM
Cool project, loving this.
The Simps
15-11-13, 12:07 AM
Been cracking on with the turret tops the last couple of evenings.
Finished off cutting the centre 86mm holes with my new bit then tested them for fitment...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/null_zps2ad56ac4.jpg
The holes all lined up so then I trimmed them into circles...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/null_zps18791c0b.jpg
Then added skirts...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/null_zps651dbfce.jpg
And two tacked up turret tops...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/null_zpscc5ff16f.jpg
They now need welding all the way round and cleaning up but ran out of time tonight. Also to be honest I'm not 100% happy with them as they're not perfect circles. Thinking of remaking them but we'll see!
Thanks for looking.
The Simps
23-11-13, 01:07 AM
While I wait for my new strut tops to be made I've been cracking on with some more tubing. Getting there slowly...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/D53166DD-1B25-4239-A571-60CB1D82063B.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/BD909EBE-699D-4203-A1E9-804A0E6DD429.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/A15B05F6-542F-4FCE-9231-AD97F519D58C.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/8DD70396-8D7A-4510-BF57-5E0AEF9B92BB.jpg
Good work mate.
Subscribed !
The Simps
30-11-13, 10:41 PM
Cheers mate, glad you're watching, may need your input!
Well Ash is building a MK1 Astra, literally same sort of thing using Nissan drivetrain and a Z20Net engine.
The Simps
30-11-13, 10:52 PM
Link to his thread by chance?
Guessing the bulk head will be mounted to the bars, will you not be sat really really far back?
The Simps
01-12-13, 07:10 PM
Guessing the bulk head will be mounted to the bars, will you not be sat really really far back?
Yes & Yes! Far back as i can ideally. Seats will be fixed and peddle box will be adjustable.
The Simps
01-12-13, 07:10 PM
Looking good! :)Thanks!
Johnny A
01-12-13, 08:17 PM
Yes & Yes! Far back as i can ideally. Seats will be fixed and peddle box will be adjustable.
Fat ass = movable ballast
The Simps
15-12-13, 08:58 PM
Just to update this...
While I'm waiting on my new turret tops to be finished, I trimmed down the rear box lengths (which aren't needed but are a reference point for level) so that I can put the rear end into rough position...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/7C5F0849-E52F-49B3-95F7-FE7572C3D252.jpg
Currently got it sat at the height I estimate it to be. Need to get the engine and gearbox in once turret tops are done to then look at shaft angle. Definitely going to need some decent arch flairs! lol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/87457842-E3B4-4272-A858-80272133EC44.jpg
Starting to look a bit more car like...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/02E61CFA-C0AF-4F48-B4C0-3C3E1B417A8B.jpg
Oh and this turned up :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/564253FA-A561-43DC-8044-4278CEDA32AE.jpg
More updates over the festive break!
Johnny A
15-12-13, 09:01 PM
No tyre stretch can save you now!
The Simps
15-12-13, 09:11 PM
ha ha! so very true mate!
I think Ash is on ET50 wheels which fit under stock mk1 GTE arches using a s14 frame.
The Simps
15-12-13, 09:34 PM
I think these were around et35 and there pretty wide too. Is the mk1 GTE much wider than a nova?
nice work, pipe benders can be very handy.
The Simps
15-12-13, 10:30 PM
Just got to learn how to use it without kinking the tube now Jonn! Any tips?
http://youtu.be/fHXmVKZkAx0
Filling the tubes with sharp sand helps kining Si.
The Simps
16-12-13, 10:50 AM
I spent the evening watching loads of youtube videos and although the sand can help it will still also the kink. The key seems to be either force it into a die the next size down that way it cannot expand outwards and flatten or some people have modified the dies for either a perfect fit or with a clamp to hold it in.
scott.parker
16-12-13, 03:17 PM
**** me, your going to need to make some huge arches for this lol
The Simps
16-12-13, 05:21 PM
**** me, your going to need to make some huge arches for this lol
Certainly will be interesting! In the kinda side on shot above thats where I want the suspension arms sat at stationary. With the modified uprights that are yet to be added that will lower the body another 50mm yet so its gonna need the flares higher up the body too.
I spent the evening watching loads of youtube videos and although the sand can help it will still also the kink. The key seems to be either force it into a die the next size down that way it cannot expand outwards and flatten or some people have modified the dies for either a perfect fit or with a clamp to hold it in.
the key is packing the sand really really tightly, tamp it down every inch or so as you fill it, and seal the ends well, but yes also a proper fitting die is a must, if the dies you have aren’t a great fit a sheet of thin steel can be used as a packer
tbh though, without heat getting past a 60 or so degrees is very difficult without some deformation, and heating roll cage tubing isn’t such a great idea, if you need anything more than 60 degrees i think i would find somewhere with a proper sacrificial bender just for those bends
The Simps
17-12-13, 09:51 PM
Cheers for the input Lee. Will have a play around with a few mothods.
Cheers for the input Lee. Will have a play around with a few mothods.
no worries :thumb:
The Simps
21-12-13, 01:48 AM
Had a play with the pipe bender again the other night. Same spec tube as i tried before except I used the die size down this time of which it doesn't actually fit into! The results (previous effort on the left)...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/D91C09EF-7907-4C6A-856E-FF169EDD980F.jpg
So far so good so decided to push it some more!...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/179BC11E-B7CB-4794-A1CF-D8A037DD41D5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/FFD5EF6B-E950-4EBC-9565-30F6B112F4AA.jpg
Practically no distortion at all! Hopedully i can get same results with the tubing I'm using on the car which is larger OD but thinner walled. My new turret tops are now cut so i'm hoping to get up there sunday arvo and get them welded in! :D
That looks much much better.
The Simps
05-01-14, 08:02 PM
So been doing a lot of head scratching and measuring over the last week to work out why a certain part wasn't quite working out as planned! Turns out my a pillars are not square with each other and thus my bulkhead is not square. Its not by a lot but enough I noticed it! Its not something I can rectify at this stage but it also isn't going to effect anything else. When I put the main parts of the cage into the car it was before I had the current plans so not as much care was taken :doh:
However! The box rails ARE square in the car/shell and line up square with the b pillars (so at least I put those in right! lol). All it meant was that I had to do a bit of working out and measuring to figure out where the turrets needed to be sat etc as I couldn't take measurements off of my dash bar as originally intended. This did slow me up over the xmas break but there has finally been progress today....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/79495D04-7BB6-454A-8A33-33CD88CFAF4C.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/03BBE7EE-1CD0-4924-BD6E-31A0AC7B7466.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/4AA89A1E-3DC8-411B-8FCA-D250695FC44F.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/2C6C95B9-D566-4BD2-97F9-2E6E1ACEE1C2.jpg
After my next session up there I can hopefully remove the strut jig and thus get the engine back in!
:D
The Simps
11-01-14, 10:35 PM
Got a bit more done on the turrets today.
Started by removing the jig as no longer needed...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/A97A45FC-FF99-4CF3-806E-0A7BB439AA45.jpg
Then started building it up...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/1C2A467F-7F8F-4AC5-89BF-C31429DF4EB8.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/34E467A0-83A8-4E4F-B8ED-32F5B80C94C6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/3AA83DD8-ABB4-4369-A3C8-DC6D0F9B0024.jpg
Made the template for the top plate...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/D64A5231-E482-44D7-8631-50E6FA7B92F3.jpg
With the wing in place (edges on wing still need tidying)...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/731DB784-9152-48C9-B7C3-C5190A8B0F31.jpg
Tied it into the A-pillar...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/6C80DA25-9CC6-4CDC-ADB7-5F05A5AEF729.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/71A4408A-7FE6-4057-93F2-3F039CDAE63D.jpg
Ran out of gas at this point so had to call it a day sadly. Think I'm going to add another support in here just add a touch more strength...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/C73023FD-EF97-4D8C-8793-D7DE8C6DA9A6.jpg
Thanks for looking.
BRoadGhost
11-01-14, 10:40 PM
Would you not consider using a proper gauge steel for the turret tops & rethink the triangulation without the unnecessary tubing?
Remember if you're making from scratch you can put the struts as far back as you like within reason.
The Simps
11-01-14, 11:10 PM
Thanks for the reply. I have already moved the turrets back, around 2" iirc, by shifting the whole engine and subframe back. The castor I will be able to dial back in on the lower arms will then put the wheel back where it needs to be for wing clearance.
As for the strut top design, I spent a lot of time mulling over it and looking at plenty of other designs and projects. This is the route I've chosen as it makes the most sense to me. I agree the top plates are not the thickest gauge material but by the time I'm done it won't matter. Its certainly thicker than the std turrets thats for sure.
The Simps
11-01-14, 11:11 PM
Feel free to throw up a design of how you would of made the turrets. All help is welcomed :thumb:
millworm
11-01-14, 11:14 PM
Looks spot on, I admire the amount of work going into this :thumb:
i do wish Broad would learn how to talk to people without the imperious streak, anyway...
i think your design will be fine strength wise, especially with that extra bit of tube in place, but if you;re asking, i think if it were me i’d have made the front legs loop round from the cage upright, wrap round the turret then drop down and round to the front main box section bit, then added a triangulation from the main dash bar, similar to this, although this is obviously so flash even Broad couldn’t find much fault...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/guitar/bgGb5.jpg (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/leeh303/media/guitar/bgGb5.jpg.html)
The Simps
12-01-14, 09:45 PM
i do wish Broad would learn how to talk to people without the imperious streak, anyway...
i think your design will be fine strength wise, especially with that extra bit of tube in place, but if you;re asking, i think if it were me i’d have made the front legs loop round from the cage upright, wrap round the turret then drop down and round to the front main box section bit, then added a triangulation from the main dash bar, similar to this, although this is obviously so flash even Broad couldn’t find much fault...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/guitar/bgGb5.jpg (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/leeh303/media/guitar/bgGb5.jpg.html)
Lee - that project above was exactly what made me stand back and reconsider how I'd designed mine. I too wanted it to wrap around the outside and tie into the a pillar but there just isn't the room to do so, because of where the turrets need to be from the 200sx track. I didn't want to bring in the turrets any further inbound because I'm already going to have a lot of neg camber to dial back out.
Excuse the crudeness of the drawings but this is my current plan....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/41B55066-7421-40D3-80D9-C13A0B78F5D7.jpg
I had planned to tie the turret top into the middle of the dash bar, just don't know whether to take it off the front, middle or back part if you know what I mean. Will also depend on space. I will also add triangulation from where the a pillar tube meets the turret down to the bottom of the a pillar.
I plan on running a single sheet of steel down the outside of the bent tube with the front part then forming the wheel tub. This again will add more strength. Shaded or cross hatched is sheet metal. This current design makes doing that very easy.
That is obviously my current game plan but you know how it is, as things evolve they can change! lol
it may well just be the pics, but to me it looks like there is room, but you would need to bend the tube to a profile that comes outwards off the A pillar cage leg, wrapping tightly round the turret then round and down to the main rails you have fitted, this then stops the turret being a ‘wing’ added onto the side of the structure so would be a lot stronger in the vertical plane, which as you know is where the load is at, this shouldn’t be any wider than your current setup, and if you then put the brace from the middle of the dash bar to the bar the loops round the turret, somewhere in front of it, it will tie the whole structure together really neatly
i admit it wouldn’t be an easy thing to get the bends right, but i think the end result would be better, stronger and lighter! you will also end up with more room in the bay
i may well not be explaining this too well, if i get time later i’ll sketch something and put up a pic :thumb:
Surprised your not gonna run adjustable top mounts?
Surprised your not gonna run adjustable top mounts?
nothing to stop him fitting adjustable pillow ball style mounts? i imagine the fixed ones are the mock up and welding splatter
ok so the drawing is a little avant-garde if we’re being kind, but i think you get the idea
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/leeh303/IMAG1187.jpg (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/leeh303/media/IMAG1187.jpg.html)
the dark shaded tubes are your existing uprights, the tube crossed out on the right was a **** up, lol, and obviously theres no perspective in my child like drawing, but the tube above the crossed out one comes from the foot of your uprights/bottom rail up to the joint on the tube with the dash bar to turret tubes, and obviously the tubes wrapping round the turret that go down to the front of the rails need to bend inwards and down, rather than being straight lines as i have drawn them, lol
The small heavier lined struts are possibly not needed but they are meant to be coming off the bottom rail up to the join between the dash/turret tube and the shorter turret to A pillar tube
BRoadGhost
13-01-14, 10:41 PM
Yeah Lee know's what he's on about; dial out the extra tube in a square design and just make triangles. Will be stiff as & weigh less.
The Simps
13-01-14, 10:44 PM
Yeah, your drawing is basically like the project youte above, which is how I did want to do it, but like you said its a complicated bend! It would almost need to be an s bend in order to get around without affecting the door jam too. If you look at these pics where the piece I have put it is pretty tight against the shell...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/6C80DA25-9CC6-4CDC-ADB7-5F05A5AEF729.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/71A4408A-7FE6-4057-93F2-3F039CDAE63D.jpg
I also originally looked at taking the a pillar tube and have it go straight onto the strut top at an angle then have it coming back off the other side bending towards the box rail, but it was so hard to get the a pillar tube right and looking right! Bearing in mind that the front section will be tubbed its going to add a lot of strength, but I understand that ideally it should have something tieing it back in. Also, having the tube come around around sweeping down is going to make tub making more tricky! The car is going to be tight for wheel clearance as it is so that tube bend would need to be so spot on for wheel & bonnet clearance, I guess I just sort a compromise in the end.
I think i'm going to get the engine back in this weekend and take a good look at it again but my feelings are still to continue the route I am and maybe see what room there is to add a tube running off the turret, under the wing and onto the rail, without interfering with wheel clearance.
The Simps
13-01-14, 10:50 PM
Surprised your not gonna run adjustable top mounts?
As Lee said, the coilovers have pillow ball style mounts so camber/castor is adjusted from there. I will also have a lot of adjustment in the suspension arms.
i never said it would be easy! personally i think you should drill or cut a hole through the top of the jam at an angle (it won’t affect the strength with all that tube in there) so you wouldn’t need an S bend, just a curve, as like you say you are compromising currently, and making it harder to make it strong without adding weight, it might be hard, but you only need to build it once!
end of the day though, its your project :thumb:
The Simps
13-01-14, 11:20 PM
I appreciate the input, its the main reason I post it on forums, I want people to chirp up as its easy to miss things when you're close to it. As I said, I did have a look at that option but it wasn't viable in my mind. I will revisit it tho and take a few more detailed pics to give a better idea of what I'm working with.
Si,
Could you not do it like this? Bring a bar from the std chassis leg but bent tight to the top mount, which then joins the new chassis (red bar) use one of your bars you have now to join the gap at the front of the mount (red bar again)
Then thin bar off that (blue) for the wing and headlight (orange) to hang off...
This way you only need to remove two bars but reuse one and bend one new... Looks alot like what drift and race car chassis kinda use..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Crap/A97A45FC-FF99-4CF3-806E-0A7BB439AA45_zps32ec2283.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bennh/media/Crap/A97A45FC-FF99-4CF3-806E-0A7BB439AA45_zps32ec2283.jpg.html)
Funnily enough Benn that's the way I thought I'd do it after seeing the pictures. Extend the red line upwards (in the pic, backwards in person) to meet the A pillar and it's all tied in to the cage too.
I thought With the bar welded in/tagged in to the std chassis leg. You get lots of strength to the front cage/frame plus you can keep things kinda flowing in the same way (shock mounts and bits)
To me in those last two pictures it looks like there is space above the turret to run from the a piller tube forward above the turret and then curving down and round to meet the chassis leg. That would mean no s shaped bar and a much simpler and stronger set up.
Did try to draw a picture on my phone but failed
Kinda like this,
Then you can remove a bar, bend a bar and a bit of flat shaped plate. (Which you could add a wheel tube too)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Crap/2C6C95B9-D566-4BD2-97F9-2E6E1ACEE1C2_zps7e7b52f4.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bennh/media/Crap/2C6C95B9-D566-4BD2-97F9-2E6E1ACEE1C2_zps7e7b52f4.jpg.html)
No Benn not like that. Ive attempted to draw a picture. Just waiting for 15% battery to take a pic lol. Im also afraid its not alot like you design simps. Its how I think I would do it
That's just how i thought of doing it. Or having a tube at the front instead of the plate.
For me the lower dash bar is what confuses the whole thing so much, theres simply no need for it. With that in mind this is probably a sort of route I would go
.http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/sclurgess/20140114_121327_zpsbd05afaa.jpg
I think you could adapt bars 1,2,3 into your design quite successfully though. I'll have another look at how i would do it with the two dash bars when Im not supposed to be asleep
i would go along with something like this and same on the opposite side if enough room.
http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp297/jonny057/Untitled-1.png
One continuous radii of tube around the top mount from the upper chassis tube, basically encircling the top mount by 180 degrees. Then plate the remaining area between top mount & upper chassis tube. Forward triangulate it to the lower box section chassis & triangulate it from the A pillar tubing. Weld in a few gussets on the joins to finish.
No biggie. Job done.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j181/mikenova/71A4408A-7FE6-4057-93F2-3F039CDAE63D_zpsff59997d.jpg (http://s80.photobucket.com/user/mikenova/media/71A4408A-7FE6-4057-93F2-3F039CDAE63D_zpsff59997d.jpg.html)
And you could be really trick and continue forward "wire framing" it so youll have somewhere to mount the headlights/indicators and bumper, rad etc etc using something like thin wall 10mm OD tube. Like this mean machine built in a shed in America by a 20 odd year old lad lol
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j181/mikenova/1545881_656836084339193_385767623_n_zpsdb7adff6.jp g (http://s80.photobucket.com/user/mikenova/media/1545881_656836084339193_385767623_n_zpsdb7adff6.jp g.html)
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j181/mikenova/1277647_611075495581919_493718830_o_zpse673694b.jp g (http://s80.photobucket.com/user/mikenova/media/1277647_611075495581919_493718830_o_zpse673694b.jp g.html)
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j181/mikenova/980257_639643056058496_1781808356_o_zpsb216c4a0.jp g (http://s80.photobucket.com/user/mikenova/media/980257_639643056058496_1781808356_o_zpsb216c4a0.jp g.html)
The Simps
14-01-14, 06:58 PM
Kinda like this,
Then you can remove a bar, bend a bar and a bit of flat shaped plate. (Which you could add a wheel tube too)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/bennh/Crap/2C6C95B9-D566-4BD2-97F9-2E6E1ACEE1C2_zps7e7b52f4.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bennh/media/Crap/2C6C95B9-D566-4BD2-97F9-2E6E1ACEE1C2_zps7e7b52f4.jpg.html)
This is something I considered and looked at. I had a go at taking the a pillar bar onto the top of the turret top with it being angled, like my drawing below, with the idea of then having another piece starting the other side of the turret or from the chassis like you've drawn. I discounted the idea like my drawing as I wanted something that wrapped around the turret not just start stop. The wrap around like above I would want it to join up at a right angle not angled to the main support. I personally think it would suit the look of the tubs better.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/93743005-36DB-47A9-BE83-5692733ADF01.jpg
The Simps
14-01-14, 07:00 PM
For me the lower dash bar is what confuses the whole thing so much, theres simply no need for it. With that in mind this is probably a sort of route I would go
.http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/sclurgess/20140114_121327_zpsbd05afaa.jpg
I think you could adapt bars 1,2,3 into your design quite successfully though. I'll have another look at how i would do it with the two dash bars when Im not supposed to be asleep
The reason for the lower dash bar was more to profile the bulkhead nicely and add a touch more strength.
There isn't enough room to run a bar from a pillar and over the turret. The wing is basically sat on the top of the turret plate towards the front of the car. I could I guess cut some of the wing away and the side of the bonnet but thats just not tidy enough to me personally.
The Simps
14-01-14, 07:01 PM
i would go along with something like this and same on the opposite side if enough room.
http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp297/jonny057/Untitled-1.png
That would be getting a bit too close for wheel clearance and complicates the tub design and looks.
The Simps
14-01-14, 07:05 PM
One continuous radii of tube around the top mount from the upper chassis tube, basically encircling the top mount by 180 degrees. Then plate the remaining area between top mount & upper chassis tube. Forward triangulate it to the lower box section chassis & triangulate it from the A pillar tubing. Weld in a few gussets on the joins to finish.
No biggie. Job done.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j181/mikenova/71A4408A-7FE6-4057-93F2-3F039CDAE63D_zpsff59997d.jpg (http://s80.photobucket.com/user/mikenova/media/71A4408A-7FE6-4057-93F2-3F039CDAE63D_zpsff59997d.jpg.html)
And you could be really trick and continue forward "wire framing" it so youll have somewhere to mount the headlights/indicators and bumper, rad etc etc using something like thin wall 10mm OD tube. Like this mean machine built in a shed in America by a 20 odd year old lad lol
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j181/mikenova/1545881_656836084339193_385767623_n_zpsdb7adff6.jp g (http://s80.photobucket.com/user/mikenova/media/1545881_656836084339193_385767623_n_zpsdb7adff6.jp g.html)
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j181/mikenova/1277647_611075495581919_493718830_o_zpse673694b.jp g (http://s80.photobucket.com/user/mikenova/media/1277647_611075495581919_493718830_o_zpse673694b.jp g.html)
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j181/mikenova/980257_639643056058496_1781808356_o_zpsb216c4a0.jp g (http://s80.photobucket.com/user/mikenova/media/980257_639643056058496_1781808356_o_zpsb216c4a0.jp g.html)
That design was also considered but getting the bend nice around the shape of the turret top is beyond my skill set but essentially thats where my current design evolved from. I know a continuous tube would be stronger but what I've done isn't exactly weak either! The important thing I need to do is support that outer right edge to counteract any twist under vertical load. I think this can be achieved with the tubbing and running along the where the wing mounts are then down to chassis.
The Simps
14-01-14, 07:07 PM
That work of art above is from an aussie lad who believe it or not had never welded, bent or profiled tube before. He bought himself a TIG & bender and went from there. He mocked up a lot using plumber plastic pipe. Its also running an SR20DET lump and running gear and originally ran the front & rear subframes but as his skills improved he decided to just make his own.
That design was also considered but getting the bend nice around the shape of the turret top is beyond my skill set
Yellow Pages > section benders/steel fabrication.
That's the only route Id go IMO. Granted its your car/build/time/money etc but last thing Id want to do is finish a build like this and always be thinking "I wish Id have done it like that, or like this" etc etc. But would look nice, neat, pleasing on the eye, and can easily add tubing to it in the wing mount area down to the chassis as you've already said.
The Simps
14-01-14, 07:11 PM
My pipe bender, with the size tube I'm using, does a too tight of bend to wrap nicely around the turret. After talking with a local shop that uses a machine bender there profile was too long in comparison. So getting something to contour the turret nicely would be a challenge! I'm gonna have a go tomorrow I think if I can find a bit of scrap tube at doing small, incremental bends every 10mm or so and see if I can put a gradual bend in tidy.
That work of art above is from an aussie lad who believe it or not had never welded, bent or profiled tube before. He bought himself a TIG & bender and went from there. He mocked up a lot using plumber plastic pipe. Its also running an SR20DET lump and running gear and originally ran the front & rear subframes but as his skills improved he decided to just make his own.
I always though he was American LOL shows how much I read what he posts on facebook lol lol have you seen the wheel trolly he made?
The Simps
14-01-14, 07:12 PM
Yellow Pages > section benders/steel fabrication.
That's the only route Id go IMO. Granted its your car/build/time/money etc but last thing Id want to do is finish a build like this and always be thinking "I wish Id have done it like that, or like this" etc etc. But would look nice, neat, pleasing on the eye, and can easily add tubing to it in the wing mount area down to the chassis as you've already said.
See my reply above about local fabricators. Besides, looks wise its all under the wing and hardly seen! lol
The Simps
14-01-14, 07:14 PM
I always though he was American LOL shows how much I read what he posts on facebook lol lol have you seen the wheel trolly he made?
I was going off the stance works build features it had on their pages, I may be wrong. Has he got a fb page then? Not seen this trolley.
Yea just seen your post lol
You follow him on facebook (Engineered to slide) his whole blog is on there if ya didn't know already?
EDIT: His facebook has all the stuff his made, even his bagged trailer lol lol his crazy wheel trolly with miniature steering rack etc. Guys a proper genius lol
The Simps
14-01-14, 07:19 PM
Simps runs off to search Facebook.....
Simps runs off to search Facebook.....
Even his pit trolly has stance ;)
www.engineeredtoslide.com (http://www.engineeredtoslide.com)
Defo one of the best automotive blogs on the internet last/this year.
The Simps
14-01-14, 07:30 PM
Thanks for the link.
This --> http://engineeredtoslide.com/2014/01/ps13na-re-tub/ is similar to how I want mine to essentially look with the clean tubes. Would be nice if he could finish it asap so I can see where he adds! lol
Thanks for the link.
This --> http://engineeredtoslide.com/2014/01/ps13na-re-tub/ is similar to how I want mine to essentially look with the clean tubes. Would be nice if he could finish it asap so I can see where he adds! lol
Ive lost hours of my life reading his blog & facebook lol
Ah right I see.
Mount the tubs on top of the chassis tubing using rivnuts or similar and a load of anodised bolts, trick as. Thus hiding all the suspension setup/top mount/caliper/disc etc but still stopping water/dirt spraying all over the bay ;)
The Simps
14-01-14, 07:50 PM
Ah right I see.
Mount the tubs on top of the chassis tubing using rivnuts or similar and a load of anodised bolts, trick as. Thus hiding all the suspension setup/top mount/caliper/disc etc but still stopping water/dirt spraying all over the bay ;)
Sort of yeah! I was going the be placing a sheet butted up against the outside edge of my front to bulkhead tubes i.e. on the outside edge of the box rail. The top of the curve would come off the side of the horizontal turret top tube and flow down to the front. I had been considering having a piece of tube running the full length along the front (holding tie bar brackets in-between the box rails) so the bottom edge of the curved piece comes down to it. But all would be welded thus the added strength!
Sort of yeah! I was going the be placing a sheet butted up against the outside edge of my front to bulkhead tubes i.e. on the outside edge of the box rail. The top of the curve would come off the side of the horizontal turret top tube and flow down to the front. I had been considering having a piece of tube running the full length along the front (holding tie bar brackets in-between the box rails) so the bottom edge of the curved piece comes down to it. But all would be welded thus the added strength!
Its perfectly doable then by the sounds of it. Fixed or welded tubs, aye its doable. Obviously depending on what way you go with the top mount chassis area because of space mind but yea. Get some ideas an see what fits and what don't.
Anyway, Ill leave you to look around his FB pics lol hours of awesomeness for what your building :)
Ive realised one thing with this thread. Ive completely forgot how I was gonna do mine lol
The Simps
15-01-14, 10:01 AM
Ive realised one thing with this thread. Ive completely forgot how I was gonna do mine lol
Havnt you kept the original turrets & chassis rails?
Even his pit trolly has stance ;)
www.engineeredtoslide.com (http://www.engineeredtoslide.com)
Defo one of the best automotive blogs on the internet last/this year.
i love the Truck build, it's fantastic!
Havnt you kept the original turrets & chassis rails?
It will look like that yes. Still need to work out how to tie it all together though
Ah this pics shows my thinking, but way better drawn out...
http://d1fky78qlmfyn9.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/IMG_1714.jpg
The Simps
15-01-14, 07:05 PM
I would love to of done it like that Benn but when I looked at it it just wasn't stacking up. I'm heading up there now. Will take some more details pics and have a good butt scratch.
The Simps
16-01-14, 12:07 AM
After much looking, debating and considering what I want in the end I'm going to continue the route I am. After being directed to another thread of a 1jz Caddy, the front end is similar with the tubs as to what I am looking to achieve and I believe it will be strong enough. This is where I'm at...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/7BE6DD4E-0E7D-49BF-8B0E-8B273CC754EA.jpg
And how the caddy was done...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/2f1201232413P9c77.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/011201232147P40f0.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/af1201241906P4ca7.jpg
I too had always planned to triangle into the dash and bottom of the a pillar. I did look at the possibility of the outside of the turret making it through to the a pillar and it could go. So I may still tweak that yet but it will run straight down the wing line and maybe bend down to mate with an extended lower cross member. I will assess that after the tub is installed.
I appreciate the benefits of having the one piece sweep round and down to the chassis like the yute but I also have to consider routing of various parts and much like the 1jz the outlets will flow well with my design with room to have the air filter behind the headlight comfortably.
Thanks for everyones input tho and please don't stop!
BRoadGhost
16-01-14, 09:41 PM
That shade of green is win; spray yours like that.
Ah thought it was the purple Caddy... Love that thing, totally mental.
Glad you've worked out what your gonna do. Time to get cracking..lol
The Simps
19-01-14, 09:34 PM
Other turret now all tacked up....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/DFE599B2-07A8-4763-9FF3-CFA7E2D716E9.jpg
Nice work. Gonna bring it down when its done? lol
The Simps
20-01-14, 06:16 PM
Maybe on a trailer! Feck off if I'm driving all that way I wouldn't have a spine left!! lol
BRoadGhost
20-01-14, 08:16 PM
A stiff body actually gives a better ride.
Pistol Pete
20-01-14, 08:44 PM
That's what she said.
The Simps
20-01-14, 09:02 PM
That's what she said.
Lmao
The Simps
23-01-14, 12:06 AM
No more to do on the front end at this time so back in with the engine, luckily it looks like I measured clearances correctly for my frame design!...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/ECF26474-EBA5-4E83-8B64-D00F5ACCE199.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/313A9869-6381-4372-BCE5-21742372F437.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/4FF5AAB7-C1D4-4983-AD29-2C9632878728.jpg
Offering up the gearbox and working out the tunnel is next...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/9580A54D-D315-4910-BBE3-6AC60BB73B0A.jpg
Then once thats in I can angle it up and start on getting the rear subframe attached to the car!
Was great to see the engine back in again. Makes it look more like a car again and gives you a little gee up after weeks on end of cutting, grinding & profiling of tubing!
BRoadGhost
23-01-14, 07:26 PM
This thing's gonna handle
The Simps
23-01-14, 08:26 PM
This thing's gonna handle
Sarcasm? Can never tell with you! Lol
Pistol Pete
23-01-14, 09:56 PM
I think that might be a genuine comment. Based on the position of your engine. Far back to enable good weight distribution.
Johnny A
23-01-14, 10:00 PM
By the looks of things No.2 cylinder will be inline with the front axle, it's a good position but a few inches further back would be even better.
Are you going to have opening rear quarters simps?
The Simps
23-01-14, 11:43 PM
By the looks of things No.2 cylinder will be inline with the front axle, it's a good position but a few inches further back would be even better.
There's certainly room to go further back but I didn't want to have to start making my own mounts or modifying the subframe at this stage. Moving the existing subframe further back would mean I'd have even more castor to dial in! I've got to dial in 3-4 inches already i think.
The Simps
23-01-14, 11:43 PM
Are you going to have opening rear quarters simps?
Not sure what you mean mate? As in the windows??
Not sure what you mean mate? As in the windows??
Yes the windows. Reason I ask is you are fairly tall are you not? And with how far back your bulkhead is your seat is going to be to far back to reach the fronts or are you going to run electric windows?
The Simps
24-01-14, 09:56 AM
Ah I see! Polycarbs all round mate with probably sliders on the fronts and vents on side & rear. Remember its a track car and unlikely to ever be on the road.
Yes I know it is but it'll still get hot inside but you've planned for that so all good. Have you measured up to see where your sitting? When I did I realised I need to alter my cage
The Simps
24-01-14, 01:50 PM
Yes I know it is but it'll still get hot inside but you've planned for that so all good. Have you measured up to see where your sitting? When I did I realised I need to alter my cage
Funny you should ask that Burgs....
Took a couple of hours out this morning for a play as I have guests all weekend and working late most nights next week :(
Put the gearbox into place...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/47D3AF12-00C3-47F8-B6F0-688DC214AF15.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/C08BA5FC-1C40-42D6-BD4E-3A4EA48611EC.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/87E352AD-604C-4278-9799-1B6C7877D49B.jpg
Its not bolted up yet just resting on the lugs and about 10mm off the block. It may not be in entirely square but close enough for what I was doing today.
Here you can see the clearance I have either side of the block, bearing in mind my sheet metal will be going on the outside edge of the box rail...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/59C01676-FD81-4F2A-9846-79E2B023046A.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/11F751EB-6A09-4C78-9185-1B392438B7A1.jpg
Next up was to try and get a feel for seat clearance and leg room. Where I anticipate the seat to be this is where my leg out stretched comes too. I'm about 6ft...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/8830E120-05CB-47AF-AB28-000C1BF77C04.jpg
With a bent leg there should be room there for the floor mounted pedal box.
Seat height will be something like this as they will be about an inch or so off of the floor. Should be enough clearance for a helmet...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/D95E249B-6980-4EFB-BE1A-18438DBA56E3.jpg
I can't get a true representation of how the seats sit at this stage because the box rails are in the way. But this gives me a feel for it. The seat will be around 4" lower and hopefully another 1-2" further back and moved closer to the door...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/B7D47BD2-E855-49E3-99CC-38C46111C7EC.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/8A2E5340-4FEA-4A16-A8E6-BFC4E67C97A2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/ED93671A-08E6-489A-B447-51BA65A0A139.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/FAA5C93F-378E-49F3-AD27-13004B56B1C2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/E7CA37E5-F44E-405B-8762-F982E0DC2A6B.jpg
The winged seats make it a tighter fit but hopefully I can work with them as I do love those seats!
Had a quick squizz at the prop situation. I'm going to need to shorten it by around 8". Now do I chop it down to one shaft or shorten each section to keep it 2 piece? Thoughts please...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/C5806DAA-FB8D-403A-A048-BD756E674B76.jpg
Cheeky barn door shot to finish on....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/BF70CCEE-77B9-4FBD-B2D1-20EACF473C42.jpg
Christ you'll be sitting nice and far back... Good place tho as you'll be sat kinda in the middle of the car.
Lots of room around the box too. Guess you'll get a all in one bent sheet for the tunnel. Then gonna run a fully flat floor? Could have vents pressed in to it to aid cooling...
The Simps
24-01-14, 02:50 PM
Box is quite small and light really. The tunnel will be tight against where the gearstick is tho I feel but manageable (hopefully!).
For the tunnel, not sure if I'll box it or have a nice curve or maybe a combo. A bit of cardboard design will help with that ;)
Once again you're reading my mind! I want a totally flat floor front to back and the panels that will bolt up under the engine, tunnel and rear subframe with have louvres pressed in. Thats the plan anyway!
Sweet, all good. Flat fllor with pressed loouvers will be awesome.
if you do have any louvres in the floor, makes sure they’re a decent way back, as they tend to wreck the splitters aero and actually increase lift, better off trying to duct in through the front efficiently and out through the top and take advantage of the pressure difference you can create
The Simps
24-01-14, 10:25 PM
Good to know Lee, cheers!
BRoadGhost
26-01-14, 12:38 PM
Even where the engine is there it'll be excellent, of course any distance further in will amplify the gain.
Have you figured exactly where you'll have the seat, pedals, steering wheel will be in relation to the gear lever? What I mean is if the sky's the limit (which it may well be here), consider putting the seat as far back & lowdown as possible; providing you can get to the gear lever. Pedals & Wheel shouldn't be too difficult to cater for.
The Simps
26-01-14, 06:25 PM
Even where the engine is there it'll be excellent, of course any distance further in will amplify the gain.
Have you figured exactly where you'll have the seat, pedals, steering wheel will be in relation to the gear lever? What I mean is if the sky's the limit (which it may well be here), consider putting the seat as far back & lowdown as possible; providing you can get to the gear lever. Pedals & Wheel shouldn't be too difficult to cater for.
Seat will be going as far back as possible and around an inch off of the floor. Steering column will have some adjustability in length for different drivers. Pedals will be a floor mounted setup thats adjustable. The gear stick will hopefully be ok but if not I will have to do something like this...
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/chidley/new/ShifterHandle21_zps0207c266.jpg
I thought about saying about a shifter thing like that, but as the pic with the seat in look ok i didnt.
The Simps
26-01-14, 08:40 PM
Yeah I'm hoping I won't need to but won't know for definite until I can get the rear end tagged in and lose the box rails, hence why thats the next job! Same story with the front end, need to wait until wheels are on and mounted before looking at it further.
I've got my A8 in for MOT in a week or so, so the plan is take the front wheels & tyres to get mounted at the same time. Can then get an idea of clearance etc then.
Good thinking.
Have you started looking at rear frame?
The Simps
27-01-14, 09:44 AM
Yep :) Just waiting on some bushes to arrive then i can start building the framework.
The Simps
05-02-14, 11:34 PM
Been a while since I updated so....
I took another look at the turret top set up and decided to slowly chop away at the a pillar to see what room I have to run a continuous bit of tube from the cage a pillar around the outside of the turret. It can work with only a slight kink needed as shown by the measure...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/160810C3-0C01-4DF6-9C5E-81E57409668A.jpg
Next up I bolted on one of my wheels I had a tyre put on this week so I can get an idea of clearance for the inner tubs. The car has been designed so the bottom arms will run just under level. So with the wheel onl I jacked the wheel until it was at this point. The hubs I intend on running raise the spindle which has the effect of lowering the car 50mm without even touching the coilovers. So to replicate this I then tried to jack the wheel 50mm but only got to about 35-40mm before the std shocks bottomed out. But it gives me a rough idea...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/25E81510-9912-4ECB-A948-36A1B8E070D2.jpg
As I moved the engine back 2" I still need to dial in some decent amount of castor so the wheel is going to go a fair bit further forward as yet, so that in mind I started to think about the inner tub design and my new outer tubing route. If you can imagine the bit of upright box is tube it will be something like so...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/F10DEC68-12A6-4665-B6CF-053179A43AD4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/AFA9973F-D0B3-4E62-B49E-892B564B8FE4.jpg
The upright tube I plan on being a one piece hoop that goes through the centre of the box rails, 90deg bend then straight across between the box then 90deg back up and through the other side. The bends and straight will be under the box, so an inverted hoop, and the tie/tension bar brackets will attach to this. The uprights either side that will come up through the box will meet up to the slam panel and be used to mount the rad, intercooler & oil coolers. As the force exerted on the lower cross member will be mostly forward motion under braking I intended on adding a diagonal from the upright down onto the tube coming from the bulkhead. Still with me? lol
So the new tube that will come around the outside of the turret top will bend down slightly and attach into the upright, probably at the same point the diagonal piece going to the bulkhead tube attaches. I will then run a piece of tubing (well actually 2!) to connect the new outer piece to triangulate into the bulkhead. Here's my half assed attempt at drawing it out...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/4071B1D7-28DF-4A46-BD6A-E7F6333A5734.jpg
Top drawing should hopefully be self explanatory and the bottom from a birds eye view shows the shaded areas where I will add sheet metal.
I would like to thank at this point all the people who gave constructive criticism on this area and got me to rethink the design. I gutted to loose the beauty of the full front wheel tubs but its function over form on this build. It needs to work!
So next was to take a look at getting a wing in place. So market out a preliminary cut along the existing swage line and set to it! *Remember the wheels has to come forward yet!*
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/F1F6BB99-0BD1-42C4-B9F4-966D6E058FEA.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/24007753-91D5-4B01-A025-49030E03F8DE.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/C524ADDA-8ACC-4979-9B78-F15AF588F42E.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/C1803E6D-50BF-46FC-A2BB-431063F8890E.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/C7A7E4F5-593B-4ED8-9A08-F49229B36D45.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/AA56CBD8-8D1D-4A0F-B943-7D00B1AF5B75.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/DC9DA47A-9CF0-40D4-B3EC-FA48D55EB9FA.jpg
I think I will end up cutting it back to where we pencil line is then adding a flair a similar shape to the e46 M3's design...
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1536/bse46m3002.jpg
Its certainly going to take some creativeness to blend it all in nicely with the sills/skirts...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/EAF0EE64-0D56-418C-913F-55E9B9D08CA2.jpg
More progress at the weekend hopefully of which the plan is to get the rear end all lined up and square ready to be tagged into the cage. Oh and in other news, based upon the current gearbox and rear subframe position I will be able to run a completely flat floor from bulkhead back. The front subframe sits every so slightly below the floor line but only maybe an inch. Happy days! :D
maddogdaz666
06-02-14, 12:12 AM
Have you thought about golf arches? Possibly with G40 arch trims on? As they'd look similar to nova arches but bigger :)
Good work by the way :)
The Simps
06-02-14, 09:19 AM
Have you thought about golf arches? Possibly with G40 arch trims on? As they'd look similar to nova arches but bigger :)
Good work by the way :)
I had thought of going the golf route but they just won't be big enough. Will need to custom fab, something along the lines of this is the plan (at the moment! lol)...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/1cad.jpg
With the outer tubing your gonna add, will you still want the side bars on the top mount? As you could replace them with flat sheet?
I think the bent tube will look better tbh.
I like your thinking with the arch. Could you not use a skirt and arch idea like the oval racer like boys do? As they add about 4-6 inches a side(arch) width.. They would i think easily cover the rear wheels and have a skirt that would still work... Altho i love the Caddy above! I love how and where they've widen the front arch...
The Simps
06-02-14, 09:25 AM
With the outer tubing your gonna add, will you still want the side bars on the top mount? As you could replace them with flat sheet?
I think the bent tube will look better tbh.
The 2 horizontal pieces you mean? Yeah, I'll still keep those. For such little extra weight they do add a lot of strength.
I like your thinking with the arch. Could you not use a skirt and arch idea like the oval racer like boys do? As they add about 4-6 inches a side(arch) width.. They would i think easily cover the rear wheels and have a skirt that would still work... Altho i love the Caddy above! I love how and where they've widen the front arch...
Any pics of this oval racer style mate?
The caddy is a work of art in my opinion.
.
Johnny A
06-02-14, 09:38 AM
This is your only solution:
http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/BMW_CSL_1976_IMSA-001.jpg
Don't think - just do :)
Yeah the ones that hold the turret in place, surely you wont need both? If you could plate it.. But.
I'll try and get a pic of a racer, the are round and wide so might work.
Any link to the caddy build? It's not the one i thought it was.
The Simps
06-02-14, 09:51 AM
Caddy Build - http://forum.savarturbo.se/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=69003
The tubing will be stronger than just the plate and weight negligible.
what about mk2 escort forest style arches?
Caddy Build - http://forum.savarturbo.se/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=69003
The tubing will be stronger than just the plate and weight negligible.
Oh it is the same one i've read! Never seen the early photos when the inside was green.
Now Mr Day, i want to be able to take a photo of you like this...
http://forumbilder.se/CE0QO/301929-10151439231107998-766841646-n.jpg
The Simps
06-02-14, 07:31 PM
what about mk2 escort forest style arches?
Not a huge fan of that style, besides, after all this effort with the custom fabrication why not fabricate my own arches! lol
Oh it is the same one i've read! Never seen the early photos when the inside was green.
Now Mr Day, i want to be able to take a photo of you like this...
http://forumbilder.se/CE0QO/301929-10151439231107998-766841646-n.jpg
Oh Benn, believe me, I often dream about that day! :D
The Simps
08-02-14, 05:43 PM
Bit more today focusing on the rear end as I really want to get it tagged into the frame!
So using a spare subframe I put in the polybushes i'll be using and I had some 5mm thick plates made up. I put the plates into place and bolted down then put a temporary tack bar in place...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/19DAECB0-EDB5-4791-A593-47F122826089.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/0207EEF4-53EF-4315-ACC6-8C27789FD36B.jpg
I then moved this over to my frame as I know its level and got the discs clamped down and temporary tack out the way...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/8CCC0A43-CDD9-453F-A392-674CFF85A48A.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/6633416C-3A28-4DCA-999E-D9510E24FEDC.jpg
Tack in the uprights then horizontal tubing making sure it was level. After tacking it ended up close enough to level for me!...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/93815EDF-C827-4D44-99B9-A2D4D7A0F2BF.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/9456A1EA-A95B-4D67-B2E3-FF2A280082FD.jpg
That could then be put into place on the rear end...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/F6D3AF06-90C4-4460-A09C-889A4C64851E.jpg
I could then get the rear end lined up level and with the use of the box rails I could get the whole thing true left to right, front to back and the diff angle matching that of the engine & box - i.e. for a straight, level prop! It would of been nice to then get it tagged into the cage but I've not enough tubing so will have to get some ordered.
In the meantime I made a clamp for use with my tube bender to help keep the pipe in the die and not rising and therefore kinking! Can't wait to test it out...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/0E2893E3-A027-41F2-B5EE-9E95A381AD09.jpg
Such an awesome project you have there. I hope you don't mind but these two images came up on my facebook about a rwd nova being built for autograss.
I think it looks superb.
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr156/spiersccl/Screenshot_2014-02-08-15-50-04.png (http://s479.photobucket.com/user/spiersccl/media/Screenshot_2014-02-08-15-50-04.png.html)
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr156/spiersccl/Screenshot_2014-02-09-15-52-04.png (http://s479.photobucket.com/user/spiersccl/media/Screenshot_2014-02-09-15-52-04.png.html)
The Simps
09-02-14, 04:51 PM
Those arches actually look similar size and position on the car as to what I need. I wouldn't have mind coming out straight like that tho but good to see something similar, thanks!
The Simps
16-02-14, 06:25 PM
So progress this weekend on the rear half of the cage. Need to build in the rear strut tops next. I'll let the pics do the talking...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/4FF96B47-6664-41FF-B41F-FBF0929A1ED9.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/CA222020-59B6-4583-9410-0E2E9769CACA.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/68A1AB78-08E0-4312-B0BB-C624BA8C6B31.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/E838198A-1A55-40C9-94DC-1EA4203A9BF8.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/03CCD25C-810F-41C2-98A8-6E2BD835EAA4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/1D480645-6024-4461-9BBD-A59FBF74673D.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/54AD9B8A-35A7-48C7-87A9-98AFFD5976C0.jpg
Looking good mate, good to see you the other day :)
The Simps
16-02-14, 07:02 PM
Cheers James and you too. I'll be back soon for more tube I should think! lol
lovely work, this will be one serious nova when built.
The Simps
16-02-14, 10:46 PM
lovely work, this will be one serious nova when built.
Cheers john and hopefully!
The Simps
18-02-14, 11:06 PM
Feeling motivated I got in a few more hours tonight as I had a free evening!
Tonights topic was turret tops! Talking about the rears first, as you probably noticed in my pics in the previous post the std s14 shocks will sit very high, too high! I need them around 5" lower. Quick chat with Driftworks today and they confirmed that the earlier s13 shocks are 110mm shorter and they can happily do me a set of the s13 coilovers but with s14 top mounts. Perfect! Here's a shot of where they'll be for comparison....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/B14D2DB3-81E1-4EB9-8E27-3D1B4A902669.jpg
I then did a lot of staring at the rear end and believe I now have a plan of attack on how to tie in the rear shocks but need to get some more tubing first!
So that brings us on to the front turret tops. In a recent visit to the good chaps James & Ash at Relentless Performance where I picked up some more tubing they were also kind enough to bend me some pipe to 110deg which my bender can't do! This will be used to remake the turrets, I'll let the pics do the talking from here...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/666735BD-88DC-425D-B3B5-EB8C4B3A6BC2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/65CF9B42-CEAD-469A-B152-0F63ECD0173E.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/65EAD7C6-B61D-4F16-95EC-0DA222C76296.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/8CD436BC-5BB9-439E-9260-D916B71864FD.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/C0ACCFF5-AE76-4E6B-B952-B31F00CF1338.jpg
I won't lie, it was a pig to do with so much cut, tweak, check, tweak, check, cut, tweak, you get the idea. Its only tacked in but already much stronger than the other side and doesn't move at all. Need to make the plate for the top to tag it into the actual turret next.
Thats all for now, thanks for looking.
Looking good mate, glad we could help out :)
The Simps
18-02-14, 11:17 PM
Looking good mate, glad we could help out :)
I'll be back again soon for some more tubing and maybe a couple more bends! lol
The Simps
24-02-14, 09:18 AM
Not a great deal of time free for the car this weekend but did get a few hours in this morning, so now they're not required I chopped out the box rails from within the cabin. This meant I can try my seats for fitment. Its going to be tight around the tunnel but I always knew that. With the seats right back where I want them the seat wings are also a tight fit but look doable. If not, then normal, un-winged seats certainly will. Gear lever seems in a good position too. The seats will be fixed position and floor mounted pedal box adjustable. Putting together the long steering column will be interesting and steering wheel will have to be quick release to aid getting in and out!
Picking up some more tubing this week the next weekend will hopefully see the upper half of the rear cage largely completed.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/DD149437-CC80-4B95-BA79-58ECACD5E427.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/80704756-3FFA-4960-BC4B-EFC2149C6359.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/497DD338-2DDF-44BC-AFF4-CD7FB1D64974.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/7FC8C9BB-AB87-4553-BABE-7863328A6691.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/367858DE-3921-40A1-B92D-8D488E2D49FE.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/D42E118F-4A92-4208-A47B-CC262AEA4C6A.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/BB926C7E-C41D-457C-8081-96D9413EC62E.jpg
Can't wait to get this rolling now!
Love how far back you'll be sitting.
Lol sitting in the boot ftw!
Si,
So the rear sumframe is connect to the cage, but where does the cage mount to in the rear? As surely just hanging from the cage part at the front wont be strong enough will it?
The Simps
24-02-14, 03:24 PM
Its got to be tagged into the top of main hoop yet as well as the turrets too. So rear end will be connect top, middle & bottom of the main hoop which in turn will be connected top, middle & bottom of the front end. You then have the tunnel and floor structure too.
Ive got to add some strength into the rear of the shell yet tho as its a tad floppy at the moment! I will do this when i build the boot floor for the fuel tank & pumps.
Ah cool, was just thinking as i looked at the pics. Sure you can tag the shell to the cage as you go.
The Simps
24-02-14, 03:46 PM
Oh sorry you mean the shell! Yeah its obviously attached at cage feet, will be tagged in on a & b pillars, probably along bottom rear window line, the bulkhead, the floor and also rear bulkhead. So should be pretty stiff!
Sorry no i ment the cage and rear subframe, i added the shell bit in as you said it was a bit floppy
The Simps
24-02-14, 04:06 PM
The main body is pretty darn stiff already, its just the rear quarters are obviously currently floating! lol
lol oh yeah didn't think of that, wheel tubs will help that.
Something like this for the rear then? Just with a different suspension set up? And maybe less tubing..
http://content6-foto.inbox.lv/albums174687712/steevee/HGK-motorsport/33.jpg
The Simps
24-02-14, 04:37 PM
That looks a bit special!
it'll be all pretty stiff trust me! Possibly even overkill but will look :cool:
Have you not seen the build? It's frigging awesome!
http://content6-foto.inbox.lv/albums174688115/steevee/HGK-motorsport/73.jpg
http://content23-foto.inbox.lv/albums174688282/steevee/HGK-motorsport/85.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Md198drmw
http://drift.com.ua/forums/index.php?showtopic=15376&pid=158061&st=0&
The Simps
24-02-14, 06:20 PM
Oh my Benn, that is stunning! Got my mind whirring away now! Lol
Yeah, see where some of my ideas for your frame and bits have come from? Been reading a few of these, Theres a whole thread full of them on mig at the mo.
The Simps
24-02-14, 09:57 PM
Yeah, see where some of my ideas for your frame and bits have come from? Been reading a few of these, Theres a whole thread full of them on mig at the mo.
got the link?
Looking good! just realised your not too far from me aswell, take it youll be a regular at snetterton then? :)
The Simps
24-02-14, 10:36 PM
If snetterton is still there when I finish! lol
Thread here. Alot of amazing threads....
http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/projects-restorations/593546-inspirational-project-threads-around-internet.html
The Simps
27-02-14, 02:08 PM
Took a trip down to Relentless Performance yesterday to collect some more tubing and had a good thrash out of ideas with Ash on rear cage/chassis design. This is the decided direction....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/Cage2.jpeg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/Cage3.jpeg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/Cage1.jpeg
Top Down
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/Cage4.jpeg
Underside
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/Cage5.jpeg
Ash quite rightly pointed out that with the seat so far back I needed to extend the rear protection zone.
The triangular parts will be the rear turret tops.
One of the consequences of the design was building a nice enclosed area above the diff for the fuel tank to go!
EDIT: I have just noticed one error made and that is that the 2 two tubes that come together on the main hoop each side actually meet higher up with the horizontal. Doesn't effect the principle design however.
Looks nice, i knew that BMW thread would help..lol
The Simps
27-02-14, 05:16 PM
There certainly is some influences in there! lol
I've also been hatching a plan to remove the body from the space frame in order to get everything all welded up properly etc. Think I've got it sorted in my head, just need to look at the car now and see if its pheasable!
novarally
27-02-14, 05:20 PM
For further inspiration, I would recommend a look at this;
http://www.uphillracers.com/showthread.php/peugeot-205-saloon-libre-5673.html
It's a Spaceframed and RWD Peugeot 205, the quality of the work is simply exceptional, as is the spec. of the components being used.
The Simps
27-02-14, 06:28 PM
Thanks Colin, there's my evenings reading :)
Shame the pics are so small and have to keep clicking on them tho :(
The Simps
27-02-14, 10:45 PM
For further inspiration, I would recommend a look at this;
http://www.uphillracers.com/showthread.php/peugeot-205-saloon-libre-5673.html
It's a Spaceframed and RWD Peugeot 205, the quality of the work is simply exceptional, as is the spec. of the components being used.
WOW!!! What a truly amazing build that is! Can't wait to see it finished. So much precision, skill and most importantly resources!!
Like the BM, removable rear shell at the Bpillar? lol
The Simps
28-02-14, 12:17 PM
I intend to make the bonnet & wings as one fibreglass detachable unit (eventually) but haven't quite figured out the back. I need to gain access to weld around the top parts of the cage so its either cut holes in the roof then repair, remove the whole roofskin and replace (whether its easy enough to replace the same skin again I have no idea!) or try and remove the whole body. If I remove the whole body, I'm not sure whether to then keep it removable and how easy thats going to be with need to tag it into the cage, seal bulkheads etc. I've come a long way with the build the last 6months and still have a good way to go and don't want to do something thats going to really set me back, you know?
Could you not just spot the cage up. Drop it down, weld the outer parts of the cage. Refit it and weld the rest and tag it to the pillars and bits?
I know it's a bit of messing. But just be easier than cutting the roof/pillars up....
That 205 build is ace, read that before. His welding is fantastic. I really want to be able to weld properly.
Maybe.... This.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c302/supermuff/205%20Project/WP_20130518_003_zpsc089498d.jpg
To do this....
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c302/supermuff/205%20Project/WP_20130519_005_zps655fc0e0.jpg
For this...
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c302/supermuff/205%20Project/WP_20130519_011_zps738a0f1b.jpg
Bit of messing about after tho.....
The Simps
28-02-14, 02:06 PM
The cage is basically just spotted in but attached at the sill plates. I don't want to go dropping the cage feet incase it mucks up the geometry etc, plus it will be a real ass! How I thought might work, if I can get my reciprocating saw around the back edge is I can C notch around the sill plates, if that makes sense?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/file-3.jpg
I was thinking of the roof and pillar joins, not sure what you mean either.. Either way/one wont be easy..
The Simps
03-03-14, 09:35 PM
Ok, so the weekends progress.
Firstly I started off by temporarily removing the pass side door bars as I got sick of climbing over them! lol Then I set about installing the tubes running along the window line then bending down on each side. Where they bend at the back they will be joining a horizontal bar that will form part of the boot floor and rear qtr support. Ignore the box there at the moment, it was just for reference purposes.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/54A37968-1B08-42E3-9800-6746811CDB28.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/543BE7F9-F217-47D4-8915-AB4CCD721D59.jpg
Then added a rear brace...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/3BEEFBDB-173F-4BB9-A7BB-B9D9696D7FA2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/2E1888A1-44D3-44C6-8E77-F9405EE861C8.jpg
As per the previous CAD drawings I set about putting in the bend around the turret top...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/5B288542-3663-42B8-8467-E6B554A2C2DA.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/8EFDC060-613C-4E77-8997-29010D7E22B9.jpg
But it just didn't look right to me. I must of spent the next hour or more just looking at it, standing back and trying to picture how it would turn out. In the end I walked away.
I went back tonight and removed it and went more triangles instead and instantly felt it looked better. It flows nicer continuing the wrap around look I've gone for. Within the triangles I've created they will be plated off but the plates inset to expose the tubing, kinda like a webbing. Think it will look smart but possibly over engineered? meh Everything just flowed from there and a few more tubes were added...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/38F09C02-C6F1-41A1-A0EB-0BCCBDA5C159.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/11F68DEB-0FCD-4B64-B82C-087D8FC5FF44.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/DAEF90DD-CB2B-4A2B-9E9C-A3AAA69C6C45.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/4916172D-BDB1-4C25-A32E-2E3DEDEA01ED.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/F26ECED8-CC54-480F-9653-CFF7B31E8608.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/6E9CCA57-4948-4E08-971E-97C5405C024F.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/D8616DFB-339F-44E7-BC87-8A7A97C94249.jpg
Couples more bits to add in on this lower section then I'll work on the seat mounts so I can then build in the upper part of the rear cage and the X.
:)
maddogdaz666
04-03-14, 08:53 AM
That's looking awesome, is it almost ready to roll on its own wheels?
The Simps
04-03-14, 11:05 AM
Wow looking good.
Cheers bud!
That's looking awesome, is it almost ready to roll on its own wheels?
Not far off yeah! Rear turrets obviously need making up, top section of rear cage/frame and a couple of bits on the front. The whole lot can then be welded (currently only tacked) before transferring to a spit so it can be welded from underneath etc too. I want it rolling by the end of April if I can :)
maddogdaz666
04-03-14, 11:40 AM
Cheers bud!
Not far off yeah! Rear turrets obviously need making up, top section of rear cage/frame and a couple of bits on the front. The whole lot can then be welded (currently only tacked) before transferring to a spit so it can be welded from underneath etc too. I want it rolling by the end of April if I can :)
Good work! I cant wait to see it in the steel,
bazzap8389
04-03-14, 12:17 PM
It's coming on really well mate looks great! Awesome work.
blue_peg_16v
04-03-14, 09:41 PM
Still needs mistrals lol
More angles then a protractor lol
The Simps
04-03-14, 10:48 PM
Still needs mistrals lol
This made me nearly piss myself! lol
The Simps
04-03-14, 10:48 PM
More angles then a protractor lol
Triangles are sexy don't ya know? lol
Triangles are sexy don't ya know? lol
Triangulation is the future :cool: just look at those sexy trestles this heap is sitting on!
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j181/mikenova/gt_zps7e12ddbe.jpg (http://s80.photobucket.com/user/mikenova/media/gt_zps7e12ddbe.jpg.html)
The Simps
05-03-14, 09:25 PM
Lol
The Simps
02-04-14, 09:50 PM
Got some time up the workshop tonight after a long spell off. Decided to tackle the other front turret while I'm still awaiting on a few bits. If you remember it was left like this with only rhd done...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/666735BD-88DC-425D-B3B5-EB8C4B3A6BC2.jpg
So chop the old out..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/A7F59095-3413-4287-B988-61BC578A6C50.jpg
Notch the a pillar and profile the tube end...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/2CBEBE4C-FE35-40F0-A249-D938EC6A4EFD.jpg
Then after lots of cutting, checking, cutting, checking, grinding, checking, getting bored, checking, we have this...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/C1B25BBD-3DF0-4544-8FB9-C41F38C7BCE3.jpg
great work, love the fabrication going into this keep it up.
The Simps
02-04-14, 10:12 PM
Thanks Jonn, its very testing of my patience sometimes tho!
looks great, sorry if its been mentioned before but what steel are you using, T45?
The Simps
03-04-14, 01:17 AM
looks great, sorry if its been mentioned before but what steel are you using, T45?
Its CDS 45x2.5mm :thumb:
jimbob-mcgrew
03-04-14, 03:08 AM
keep going, you got this simps :thumb: :)
is that a jdm sr20de engine in there ?
The Simps
03-04-14, 08:05 AM
Sr20det (2.0 turbo) from a 200sx
Much better, looks better and sure it will be stronger too. Good work.
BRoadGhost
07-04-14, 12:21 PM
Well worth the effort
The Simps
14-04-14, 12:11 AM
Not a great deal to report from this week but I did manage to work on the front turrets. Ive welded the outside tubing to the strut plate and cut me templates that will be welded in once the tubing is fully welded. Pics...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/05F2EB80-8A0F-4844-BEBF-3B9CD987C85A.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/549BD47F-88F0-4261-BA02-5FF2E969666B.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/51D3A7BC-A181-4DC2-A260-C011563F86E9.jpg
Turrets look great dude. Nice work.
maddogdaz666
14-04-14, 12:53 PM
Top work! I like the new style turret tubing :)
The Simps
14-04-14, 10:32 PM
Cheers ladies
BRoadGhost
18-04-14, 07:37 PM
You'll wanna zap that with the full 150amps+
Can I ask; with the seat that far back, will you still be able to see out the sides?
The Simps
18-04-14, 11:05 PM
You'll wanna zap that with the full 150amps+
Can I ask; with the seat that far back, will you still be able to see out the sides?
My welder is nearly always on max ampage anyways but I won't be welding those plates on. Got a mate who welds for a living, he's gonna come weld all the main structural parts for me at some point soon.
re the view - with a helmet on and the winged seats its restrictive anyway but as long as I can see in the mirrors will be fine.
Johnny A
18-04-14, 11:21 PM
Can I ask; with the seat that far back, will you still be able to see out the sides?
TBH I have bought an Astra3 estate and being as tall as I am the seat is all the way back - the b-pillar is perfectly in the way (same place as simp's nova) and it's not an issue.. just a little annoying
^ My dad Insigna is the same with where i sit. I can see out the rear doors. Tweeter is right in your ear too, which is annoying.
The Simps
19-04-14, 02:00 PM
My A8 is exactly the same too and I cant say I really notice it.
scott.parker
19-04-14, 02:26 PM
Extra side protection lol
The Simps
19-04-14, 02:51 PM
Correction: Extra slide protection! Lol
scott.parker
19-04-14, 03:03 PM
lol Are you modifying the steering setup to gain more lock for slideways action? As its going to be fricking lively with such short wheel base..
The Simps
19-04-14, 03:46 PM
I'm not building it for drift use but the modified uprights I'm using allow for mahoosive lock as they're designed for drifting primarily. Main reason I want them is the 50mm raised spindles.
Driftworks have not long finished building an ae86 V8 drift car which has a very similar wheelbase. It has a lot of money thrown at it obviously but he's commented that it is quite wild but once tamed should be hugely competitive. Build thread here - http://www.driftworks.com/blog/dw86-complete-build/
http://youtu.be/q3p3ALj7nL4
Isnt a mk2 escort same wheelbase as well? Cant tell me they are not comfotable sideways
I'm not building it for drift use but the modified uprights I'm using allow for mahoosive lock as they're designed for drifting primarily. Main reason I want them is the 50mm raised spindles.
Driftworks have not long finished building an ae86 V8 drift car which has a very similar wheelbase. It has a lot of money thrown at it obviously but he's commented that it is quite wild but once tamed should be hugely competitive. Build thread here - http://www.driftworks.com/blog/dw86-complete-build/
http://youtu.be/q3p3ALj7nL4
wow
Just read the whole thing, very impressive work, and the noise from those TB's!
The Simps
21-04-14, 12:19 AM
Its quite something isn't it!
The Simps
05-05-14, 08:56 PM
Apologies its been a while since my lat update, life's been busy!
Got my seat mounts so started looking at seating positions. I had wanted to sit the seats as far back as possible for better weight distribution but it turns out it is now a necessity as with them in the normal nova position its too cramped due to the bulkhead being moved back a few inches. So some pics...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/IMG_0119.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/IMG_0122.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/IMG_0136.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/IMG_0120.jpg
Attention then turned to working on the floor. I tidied up where the box rails met the bulkhead...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/IMG_0121.jpg
Started to make the piece I needed...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/IMG_0123.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/IMG_0125.jpg
Then made the floor piece (1st section, will be another continuation under the seats)...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/IMG_0131.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/IMG_0130.jpg
And together...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/IMG_0132.jpg
Then a piece on the other side and complete!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/IMG_0135.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/IMG_0139.jpg
Rinse, wash, repeat and both sides done...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/IMG_0137.jpg
Thanks for looking.
I like what you've done there, tidy.
Very small tunnel tho?
ocdstigy
06-05-14, 02:00 PM
Fair play to you!!
awesome, dont mean to be rude but wont it be a bit heavy?
The Simps
06-05-14, 10:59 PM
It will be interesting to see the final weigh in yeah! It may well be a little over engineered in places but i want it safe you know?
BRoadGhost
06-05-14, 11:10 PM
I think the tree will bend before those legs will ;o
The Simps
06-05-14, 11:35 PM
Lol
It will be interesting to see the final weigh in yeah! It may well be a little over engineered in places but i want it safe you know?
know what you mean, ive made everything for mine in the same frame of mind :)
It will be funny with the short wheelbase :)
It will be funny with the short wheelbase :)
Wheelbase is the same as a mk2 escort
Sorry about if you misunderstanding me, I love it (so the 'funny' want to be positive meaning).
The big block and the short wheelbase is usually not a good combination for the best handling, but probably the rail-structured roll bar (and the slick tyres :) ) will be compensating the weight balance.
I can't wait to see it done! :)
The Simps
29-06-14, 11:44 PM
So about time to update this. Had my mate Michael come in for the day a few weeks back to blast the joints with his welding talents. He's done everything that was easily accessible, leaving the turret tops (which will be tig'd) and any joints that will be easier to get too when the body shell gets lifted off soon. I'll let a few pics do the talking...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/D9760A9C-B7BE-4F73-B2B5-EAF553ABD73D.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/8BC8AABA-73B6-4246-A94B-51BD65D46756.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/5B439DBB-98D5-4CAC-8E29-1CBF691C6401.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/3157030B-A4CC-4750-8D21-8C40EE457B3F.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/75BF118E-4D60-4DB8-BABE-BC2F8D522C4A.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/CB8EA21C-4DC5-4AF7-A455-47A6A0ECF0FF.jpg
It was important to get the above welding done as I'm moving to a new unit for 1st July so it needed to be in a position to come off the jig (or welded axle stands!). So today it saw daylight for the 1st time in 11mths. Hopefully soon it will be rolling on its own 4 wheels...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/31A9923D-6F1E-4099-95E5-7B8157245ABF.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/6FB4123F-E31A-417C-85D3-D03C6638911E.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/C26DCCF6-D74C-4F88-A67E-60AED66629E3.jpg
Hopefully more updates in July :)
bazzap8389
29-06-14, 11:47 PM
It's fairly coming together now! Some awesome fab work going on!
scott.parker
30-06-14, 12:34 PM
I never thought this might get completed! But it's looking promising now, hope you can get it done dude, it will be amazing, and definitely a brilliant magazine feature..
Pistol Pete
30-06-14, 07:16 PM
Have to be honest here.....when you first started o it, I was very sceptical. But seeing the work going into this, I am eating my words. Fair play, different and refreshing.
The Simps
30-06-14, 08:31 PM
Cheers guys!
BRoadGhost
30-06-14, 09:05 PM
We'll have to start calling you the back seat driver; are you sure they're not too far back there?
Southie
30-06-14, 09:21 PM
Looking forward to seeing how you attach the front end, is it going to be a full forward tipping one like the blue SR build that was done once upon a time by Austin?
The Simps
30-06-14, 09:31 PM
We'll have to start calling you the back seat driver; are you sure they're not too far back there?
Not alot of choice to be honest as i moved the bulkhead a good way back! Steering column will get put where i want it. Pedals are going to be floor mounted. Gearstick needs modding or extending with a dogleg. At least i'll be able to easily feel the back end stepping out! Lol
The Simps
30-06-14, 09:32 PM
Looking forward to seeing how you attach the front end, is it going to be a full forward tipping one like the blue SR build that was done once upon a time by Austin?
Not completely decided yet. Probably not an austin style flip is it'll be too low at the front for that.
Southie
30-06-14, 09:35 PM
Sideway tip would be the dogs danglers then ;)
Some lovely welding.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/8BC8AABA-73B6-4246-A94B-51BD65D46756.jpg
LOVE LOVE love this shot. Looks awesome, you can really see the plan coming together like that too.. Keep chipping on. Gonna be mega worth it in the end and you'll not stop grinning after that first drive.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/31A9923D-6F1E-4099-95E5-7B8157245ABF.jpg
jimbob-mcgrew
03-07-14, 12:16 AM
the projects looking good simps :thumb:
RWD is something the nova's are missing, and should be a good laugh to drive when finished :)
did you put the seats that far back purposely ? (for better 50-50 weight balance ?) .. or was it a combination of neccessary pedal space / leg room ?
The Simps
03-07-14, 12:34 AM
the projects looking good simps :thumb:
RWD is something the nova's are missing, and should be a good laugh to drive when finished :)
did you put the seats that far back purposely ? (for better 50-50 weight balance ?) .. or was it a combination of neccessary pedal space / leg room ?
Cheers!
It was to balance the weight initially but then became a necessity.
The Simps
03-07-14, 12:34 AM
And Benn - yeah, I love that shot too :)
blue_peg_16v
04-07-14, 08:27 AM
Be Jesus will look like a car again soon at this rate steady on lol
The Simps
04-07-14, 09:36 AM
lol
The Simps
06-08-14, 08:53 PM
Ok so not much of an update but more of a "things are still going ahead" post.
As above, moved to a new unit beginning of July and most of last month was spent moving all the cars, tools etc over and getting set up how we want. I'm now away for 3wks but before I left I mocked up the front end to see where I can put my bracketry to support it. I want to keep it as minimal as possible for maximum room. I've got so much room for my coolers etc its pretty insane. I'm considering keeping everything back behind the front crossmember line just so everything is a little more protected from "little" bumps.
Anyway, a few pics....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/08591281-543B-4B1F-99E8-A073B67CE027.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/FB019242-1D5E-4614-AF31-E9853F4FB87D.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/94637B59-85A1-487E-9527-8602634AD293.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/CCF65627-5FF2-4069-972D-1B5C684A6CB9.jpg
Johnny A
06-08-14, 09:03 PM
Simps what is the bottom of the windscreen grille vs engine interaction like? any pics?
The Simps
06-08-14, 09:21 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/4FF5AAB7-C1D4-4983-AD29-2C9632878728.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/SR20DET%20Nova/B719FF15-9C93-449B-8FC6-083D514D50C7.jpg
any use??
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