Spaceframed SR20DET RWD Nova

[The Simps]

have i got much snow to look forward to at work tomorrow ??? x


There's been a dusting mate but there's a lot of water about now so if its freezes it'll be fun.

[djbrowney]

There's been a dusting mate but there's a lot of water about now so if its freezes it'll be fun.

we got a fair bit over here and its setled so you going to have an interesting drive tomorrow, let me no when you make ti to lynn and will meet up for a burger :thumb:

[The Simps]

sounds good

[Count Vaux Alot]

Update time Simps!

[ainsley_brader]

Wow what a project, just read throug from start to finish.
I have just dragged my nova project back out, nothing like as indepth as yours. Huge respect for cutting it apart like that not sure I would dare tbh.
Will look forward to checking on this one over the next year!
Ainsley

[The Simps]

Not even been within 10 miles of it! Just been too busy, got guests staying at the mo.

[The Simps]

Been offered a 3ltr V6 cheap. What do you think? Is the bellhousing the same as on an xe block ie will my adapter still fit? What about clutch sizes compared to XE? Hmmmm.....

[Nova_Tek]

Take the V6 and sell me the LET for a handful of magic beans lol

[The Simps]

I've not got a LET! lol

[Ben]

Yeah you can bolt a F16/F20 etc onto the V6's aslong as you remove the oversize flywheel for a flat type, clutch etc same is same as xe also iirc.

[The Simps]

Yeah you can bolt a F16/F20 etc onto the V6's aslong as you remove the oversize flywheel for a flat type, clutch etc same is same as xe also iirc.


Hmmmm indeed!

[krobinson]

I'll give you £30 and a handjob for the XE

[The Simps]

How about £10 and 2 handjobs?

[krobinson]

I dont think I'd have the stamina!

[Ben]

Your making a statement might as well make a bigger one lol

[Nova_Tek]

I've not got a LET! lol

Oh well, there go the magic beans lol

[Count Vaux Alot]

Stop changing your mind about what engine you are fitting and get on with it lol pot kettle black . . . .

[Paul]

Keep the XE! We want to see more porgress, less chat :)

[AlexW]

Fit XE, crash it, fit V6

[sulphur]

v6 ftw! Few tweeks for the additional power, then turbo it!:thumb:

[scott.parker]

V6! why? there **** for what they are, you would expect them to be good for a 2.5,or bigger, but they really are not worth the bother..

[burgo]

they sound awesome tho

[Plug]

if your going to fit a v6 you might aswell get the extra 2 cylinders and beat Rj to fitting a v8, well beat lee lol

[stupot89]

if your going to fit a v6 you might aswell get the extra 2 cylinders and beat Rj to fitting a v8, well beat lee lol

agreed V8 FTMFW

[The Simps]

lol at V8.

V6 would look and sound cool but tbh be a waste of money & effort. The XE is better for track and has better tuning potential. Will also be easier to switch to a LET.

[Plug]

thats the spirit :thumb: :wisewood:

[Sloth]

Been offered a 3ltr V6 cheap. What do you think? Is the bellhousing the same as on an xe block ie will my adapter still fit? What about clutch sizes compared to XE? Hmmmm.....

yes it fits, you do realise that let pistons fit the 3.0 meaning you can fit a big turbo????? or supercharger??????:d

[Nova_Tek]

^ that would be one epic build. 3.0 V6 Turbo with an F28?

[The Simps]

^ that would be one epic build. 3.0 V6 Turbo with an F28?


Dude! I'm building a rwd car!! lol

[Nova_Tek]

I know. I'm talking about the engine being an epic build silly.

[The Simps]

lol

[Ben]

I know. I'm talking about the engine being an epic build silly.

Why the F28 bit then? FAIL

[Nova_Tek]

As it's fitted to the LET and serves the LET well then it should be good for a 3.0 turbo.

[Ben]

But its RWD so just dosent make sense!

[Nova_Tek]

what about 4WD?

[Southie]

what about 4WD?
Is this a 6R4 saloon now lol

[Ben]

Is this a 6R4 saloon now lol

Dont antagonize him anymore! i dont think he gets what he said! lol

[Nova_Tek]

When I said that it would be an epic build, I mean't the 3.0 V6 with LET low comp pistons and turboing it would be an epic build itself. The Simps already has his epic build anyway but I was on about the engine.

Sorry if I didn't make myself clear.

[Sloth]

TOO MUCH EPIC!!!lol

[brake-dust]

how much was the bell housing mate? sorry if ive missed it in the thread

[The Simps]

Around £150-200 mark new from SBD.

[The Simps]

Picked up some more box section tonight so all being well tomorrow the rest of the floor and most of the bulkhead is coming out :D

[burgo]

dont forget ya camera ;)

[scott.parker]

dont forget ya camera ;)

Dam right..more pics needed! :thumb:

[Count Vaux Alot]

Haven't you finished this yet? lol

[The Simps]

Haven't you finished this yet? lol

Nearly! lol

[mayhem]

yes it fits, you do realise that let pistons fit the 3.0 meaning you can fit a big turbo????? or supercharger??????:d


but does it work? let pistons in a 20seh fits, but the guy fried them 4 times in 1 season (20seh, eaton m64, 200-210 hp), and he's not some shed builder, he knows what he's doing.

[Paul]

less nattering and more work is the way a car usually gets built ;)

[The Simps]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/16-01-102.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/16-01-103.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/16-01-104.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/16-01-105.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/16-01-106.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/16-01-10.jpg

[Benn]

F**k.

Adding in, thought you'd just remove the tunnel...

[burgo]

you funking legend!!! cutting cars up is great fun

[The Simps]

The 2 bars I added a propper wedged in and tacked. Do you think I can remove the cross bracing?

[djbrowney]

remind me to never let you near my car with a grinder lol

good work

whats the next plan of action seems as you dont have much of a car left lol

[bmw156]

your a nutter lol. great work though

how many discs.

and are you going to put a spaceframe floor in. you have gone this far, would be a shame not to imo.

and why did you cut all above the tunnel out?

[scott.parker]

and why did you cut all above the tunnel out?

Needs cutting out to fit the engine in longitudinal engine layout

Awesome work dude....

[bmw156]

OOO i see, the engine being mounted further back then.

i like.

[scott.parker]

OOO i see, the engine being mounted further back then.

i like.

Well you'll have the gear box and bell housing connecting to the torque tube going to the rear axle, and it wont be a small job putting that lot the wrong way down a nova! lol

[The Simps]

Cheers for the comments.

Engine sits quite far back. Should sit pretty much halfway between the turrets (if they were still there).

Reason for just cutting the hole floor is I decided it would just be so much neater & easier. The nova tunnel isn't straight where it meets the floor. Now I can just get some sheet rolled and make a nice looking tunnel. I can then get some sheet and press in ribs for the footwells. The bulkhead will be much further back too. Basically right were the feet of the cage will be. That way I won't need to fabricate a bell mouth. I may also mount the seat even further back now that I have no restrictions.

[The Simps]

remind me to never let you near my car with a grinder lol

good work

whats the next plan of action seems as you dont have much of a car left lol


I love using the grinder! lol

Gonna put engine, tube & box into place to get an idea of things. After that it will be to get the plates lazer for the bellhousing to tube.

[bmw156]

some pics of my bosses semi space framed fiat x1/9

floor, just FYI

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/lees%20pics/100_0527.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/lees%20pics/100_0530.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/lees%20pics/100_0531.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/lees%20pics/100_0545.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/lees%20pics/100_0547.jpg

[The Simps]

It will be something similar but won't need to be as heavy & industrial. My shifter bolts to the torque tube. I'll probably just be running a piece of angle the length of the car.

[Count Vaux Alot]

Looking good (if thats the word lol) i'm looking forward to see the beginning of the frame work keep it up.

[Benn]

So you'll be sitting much father back then (going on where you'll have the fire wall)

[L14MNP]

Extended column and reloacted gear lever/pedal box FTUW.

This is gonna be some car. :)

[Count Vaux Alot]

Extended column and reloacted gear lever/pedal box FTUW.

This is gonna be some car if it ever gets finished. :)

lol :p

[L14MNP]

lol :pHarsh! lol

I have the longest WIP in history so would never say anything. lol

[Count Vaux Alot]

I'm sure you can see the irony in me saying that.......

Mine was started a year ago its had change of course but nothing overly radical or confusing - its now a 16xe turbo hope that answers your previous question.

[The Simps]

The linkage is very easy to relocate. Its just a rod straight back to the box and the selector is just bolted into the torque tube so all I'd need to do is drill & tap the tube and shorten the rod.

I want to be positioned fairly central in the car but maybe just towards the back to counterweight against the engine.

Column extension should be easy enough and I'll run a floor mounted pedal box.

[The Simps]

i'm looking forward to see the beginning of the frame work keep it up.


Me too mate. Benn holding off buying the the cage and piping purely because its a cost I can't recover. Trying to plan everything first and trial fit everything.

There is obviously huge doubt as to whether it will ever see tarmac again and that I've bitten off way more than I can chew but hey, we're all here to learn eh? If I can use as many off the shelf parts as possible at least I can recover some cost.

I certainly won't be rushing through the build tho.

[The Simps]

Got an hour or so in this weekend. Nothing major done but confirmed my earlier guestimations on where things would sit.

So with engine approximately in place (its not completely central and bottome end needs shuffling over)...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/24-01-102-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/24-01-103.jpg



I couldn't move it anymore by myself due to limitations with the crane but its gives me a good idea for now. As I'd thought, the torque tube will end inline with the bottom middle of the screen and right were the cage feet shall be...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/24-01-104.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/24-01-105-1.jpg



This is what I was hoping for as I want to have the bulkhead across here and so I don't now need to create a bell mouth I can just have a straight tunnel. The only proviso being whether the seat and floor pedals all fit comfortably within the space. In this position the tube is just shy of 10" off the floor so it should be possible to run the exhaust underneath it and still be high enough for ground clearance.

The height the engine currently sits gives loadss of room at the back and once straight should be very close at the pulleys. The std sump is also a good 4" off the floor so thats good.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/24-01-107-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/24-01-108-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/24-01-10-1.jpg



With the current positions the driveshafts should be nicely inline...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/24-01-109-1.jpg



The only thing I need to look at more is driveshaft angle ie upwards. I've positioned the box 4" off the floor to at present the same as the sump.

Next reel move is to save for the cage and get the main structure of that in. I'm also still investigating the double wishbone setup & uprights I'm going to use. Nearly all kit car stuff is geared around ford 4x108 sierra stuff. I want to use as many off the shelf parts as possible especially wishbones & uprights so I'm doing some headscratching on getting it converted to 4x100 without having to run wheel adapters. The fronts I've got covered its just the rears.

Most use uprights similar design to this...


http://www.mnrltd.co.uk/std-rear-uprights.jpg



Which then has the sierra bearing carrier and hub bolted to it. At the moment I'm thinking of using a piece of tube with an insert to take a normal fwd hub & bearing. Depending on the size of the uprights the tube might be able to pass through the middle of the upright and be bolted/welded to it. I can then make caliper brackets off the tube.

Any thoughts here would be appreciated.

[Count Vaux Alot]

Those uprights look simple enough to make simps what not find a fab place and ask for a set to your spec with 4x100?

If i'm honest i would hunt some measurements and have a go myself!

[burgo]

it all looks to easy lol

[The Simps]

Making them had crossed my mind but they are so cheap to buy. I need to speak to firm and find out how big that opening is, I'm guessing it won't be big enough but there's room there to open it out.

[The Simps]

Those uprights look simple enough to make simps what not find a fab place and ask for a set to your spec with 4x100?



The upright isn't the problem, its the hub assembly really.

It all goes together like so...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/scan23.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/image109.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/Photo-0022.jpg


I want to incorporate like what Phillip has used on his corsa which is all available off the shelf...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/IMGP1870.jpg

[bmw156]

if your worried about running 4 x 100, then dont worry and run ford wheels.

you might think your being a tratior etc to vauxhall. but while researching my project, ford wheels are so much easier and cheaper to come across, then a set of 4 x 100 wheels

IMO go ford for wheels.

originally for the chevette i was going to run a english rear axle of a cortina, but the manta one came up cheap, and close, so im now running that. other wise i was going to convert the fronts to ford PDC and run ford wheels

[The Simps]

It has crossed my mind but I also know its a problem I can overcome. I also love the ass off the speedline mistrals I've got to go on it.

[Ben]

I would do all in my power to get them speedlines on that car!

[bmw156]

lol, if you are making your whole suspension/hub set up a pain, because of the wheels you already have, then your crazy lol.

[Count Vaux Alot]

I can see were both you and BMW are coming from - the ford stuff would be easier but if your prepared to go to the effort to fix vaux stuff then crack on. The tube incorp bearing idea looks simple enough to achieve.

[scott.parker]

Nice update, just confirms your crazy, but also cleaver (or is that lucky?) as that looks like it all lines up way too good, good luck with sorting the rear suspension mate, looks awesome.

Scott

[Ash]

looking good dude. Not sure what your plans are in the future, but would it be worth making aa bell housing err house in the shell now rather than later in case you change?

And Honda aftermarket parts might be the answer for your 4x100 issue as they will be 'off the shelf' and easy to sell on I imagine, but firstly, I thought you were using cav turbo wheels? this may of changed.... and also, I'm slightly out of my depth here, but is it just the hub your having trouble with getting the right PCD? I'm assuming the stub axel (or whatever it is on RWD) is a differant PCD to the wheels...

I may of confused myself there, but I hope I havent confused you lol

EDIT: And thinking on it BMW e30's were 4x100

[Plug]

pics pics pics :)

looking good well whats left of it lol

Engine is going to be a tight fit at the front when the bonnet closes isnt it?

[scott.parker]

pics pics pics :)

looking good well whats left of it lol

Engine is going to be a tight fit at the front when the bonnet closes isnt it?

Bulge-vent ftw :thumb:

[Benn]

Fantastic work, see other thread for questions.

Love what your doing. Would love to do something like this. But don't think i could.

[The Simps]

I would do all in my power to get them speedlines on that car!

Amen!! :thumb:




Nice update, just confirms your crazy, but also cleaver (or is that lucky?) as that looks like it all lines up way too good, good luck with sorting the rear suspension mate, looks awesome.

Scott

It all does seem a little lucky doesn't it! lol How it lines up with the shell well and the fact an xe clutch fits the input shaft! lol Getting everything true and actually working nice is the hard bit. Its hardly big budget development!



looking good dude. Not sure what your plans are in the future, but would it be worth making aa bell housing err house in the shell now rather than later in case you change?

And Honda aftermarket parts might be the answer for your 4x100 issue as they will be 'off the shelf' and easy to sell on I imagine, but firstly, I thought you were using cav turbo wheels? this may of changed.... and also, I'm slightly out of my depth here, but is it just the hub your having trouble with getting the right PCD? I'm assuming the stub axel (or whatever it is on RWD) is a differant PCD to the wheels...

I may of confused myself there, but I hope I havent confused you lol

EDIT: And thinking on it BMW e30's were 4x100


Cav turbo rims were ditched when I mocked up the speedlines and it looked just way to sexy to not do it! Luckily I convinced Shaun to sell his 4 stud set which then also solved my problem of converted the manta front hubs I'm using to 5 stud. Here's the pics incase you missed them...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/06-11-096.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/06-11-09.jpg


How the sierra setup is is there is a bearing carrier, much like the nova front carrier but just the round bit that bolts to the upright. That holds the bearing that the sierra hub goes into, again, much like a fwd setup. Its the hub thats the wrong pcd. Another thought I had was to try and fit a vaux hub into the sierra bearing carrier but I imagine that could be very difficult to, to find a bearing!

What rwd honda stuff is 4x100? BMW E30 I've looked at but the bearing carrier is part of the trailing arm. A possibility could be to find a 4x100 hub that can be machined to the same OD to fit the sierra bearing maybe?



pics pics pics :)

looking good well whats left of it lol

Engine is going to be a tight fit at the front when the bonnet closes isnt it?

As Scott has said - bulge for the win! lol



Fantastic work, see other thread for questions.

Love what your doing. Would love to do something like this. But don't think i could.


Cheers dude. tbh this is way over my head, thats another reason why its taking so long. I'm having to research every little detail. I'm trying really hard to spend as little as possible so that if it doesn't work and I build a crap handling crabber there's not much lost but a learning curve gained. Christ, this time last year I was learning to weld ffs! lol

[The Simps]

looking good dude. Not sure what your plans are in the future, but would it be worth making aa bell housing err house in the shell now rather than later in case you change?


If & problem when I upgrade in the future it will be to 944 turbo/V6 stuff which still uses a torque tube. If at any point it ends up having a normal rwd setup ie engine, gbox, prop, diff then the whole lot will need changing anyway,

[nova_saloon]

mmmm jizz-tastic

[gary_808]

could you re drill the hub to vaux pcd,
or grass track boy's seem to use 100 pcd hubs in them so worth looking around some parts sites see if they do them.

[Ben]

why not go for the 5 stud set and use omega rear setup?

[t45_ste]

Looking good :) cant wait to see some tubing going in.

Keep it up

[dontliftdrift]

that is sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!

[The Simps]

could you re drill the hub to vaux pcd,
or grass track boy's seem to use 100 pcd hubs in them so worth looking around some parts sites see if they do them.


No room to redill the ford hub. The grass track boys use tubes attached to trailing arms not double wishbone...

http://www.drdracing.co.uk/images/Rear%20Arm.JPG


With those rear arms you can either fit sierra setup or vaux.




why not go for the 5 stud set and use omega rear setup?

Omega i trailing arm and very heavy! Also getting 5 stud hubs for mantastub axles is impossible and omega fronts won't work - I've got some in the shed and checked. They use a steering box so the arms are in the wrong place.




Looking good :) cant wait to see some tubing going in.

Keep it up

Me too!! Will start to look like a car again then.




that is sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!

:thumb:

[The Simps]

And before someone asks why not just use a trailing arm setup its because on compression the wheel move upwards and forwards much like a rear beam. I want double wishbone because it moves upwards and inwards. Firstly it creates some negative camber & secondly it will aid outside arch clearance which is tight!

[gary_808]

i've seen some with double wishbone,
also seen a few off road buggies with double wishbone/seirra bearing unit and vauxhall wheels,
there are 100mm pcd seirra hubs out there, it's just finding them

[lee_dodd]

those rear arms are from drd racing and they also make arms to take vauxhall drive shafts and hubs, i should know as i work for them :D try our website drdracing .co.uk and drop us an email if you have any questions or need any help

if you are on corsasport them check out phillip2 rear engined corsa project thread as we did the fabrication work on it

[andy_017]

Very impressive progress dude,keep it up!

[The Simps]

those rear arms are from drd racing and they also make arms to take vauxhall drive shafts and hubs, i should know as i work for them :D try our website drdracing .co.uk and drop us an email if you have any questions or need any help

if you are on corsasport them check out phillip2 rear engined corsa project thread as we did the fabrication work on it



I've been on the site & seen the parts you offer, however the vaux fitment is still trailing arm like above & not double wishbone.

[The Simps]

Very impressive progress dude,keep it up!



Cheers

[L14MNP]

Had any time on this lately mate? :)

[The Simps]

Took the engine back out last nite. That is all lol

I'm waiting for the main part of the cage now, which I might order next month.

[L14MNP]

lol Nice to see a WIP not full of gay pointless pics tbh, refreshing!

What's the deal with the main hoop then, have you measured up and the company (which?) is going to knock it up for you, or is it an off the shelf part?

I need to re-read this at some point. So many awesome WIPs on the net that they occasionaly blur into one lol :thumb:

[The Simps]

I'm using a fabricage weld in cage. They can give it to me as a kit with unprofiled ends. All I get from them is the main hoop, bars down to a pillar feet and roof cross. The rest will all need to be custom for the rear and spaceframed through the front end. Once the main cage structure is in I can then do things like cut the rest of the front end off and mount the engine etc properly.

[L14MNP]

I get ya mate. Cheers for the info. It will be awesome when you're at that stage! Bet you can't wait - I can't and I'm only watching lol.

[The Simps]

Tell me about!! I could of bought the cage this month but got distracted by buying up sets of speedline mistrals! lol Got 3 sets in various forms now lol

[MK999]

Tell me about!! I could of bought the cage this month but got distracted by buying up sets of speedline mistrals! lol Got 3 sets in various forms now lol

I did wonder about the obsession until I picked one up lol I'm too attached to my (relatively cheap!) multispokes though :p

[Plug]

quit buying wheels the cage is more important :)

[Shaun]

simps update this!!

anyways lol on your disk rear beam, im also going 5 stud, can I use the vectra disc/caliper? I have astra gsi rear discs on mine at the minute so should be an easy swapover, but unsure if I can use vectra discs or need to get cav v6 ones?

[djbrowney]

i have the axel and im not sure yet lol

[Shaun]

lol

i know the vectra ones are bigger

[djbrowney]

thats not the problem it the fact the handbreak calble is at the bottom and not the top lol

[Count Vaux Alot]

Funk me i thought there was an update!

[Benn]

simps update this!!

anyways lol on your disk rear beam, im also going 5 stud, can I use the vectra disc/caliper? I have astra gsi rear discs on mine at the minute so should be an easy swapover, but unsure if I can use vectra discs or need to get cav v6 ones?


Yes you can use Vectra stuff.

[burgo]

Funk me i thought there was an update!

if only :cry:

[craig green]

It's been ages.

[The Simps]

:)

[Sloth]

update ahoy?

[Benn]

You haven't give up have you?

[craig green]

He's too busy pimpin out his Vectra estate.

[Benn]

Ah yes, i saw. It looked awesome.

[The Simps]

I'm actually currently sat on a plane at gatwick waiting to go to mexico. Due to the dam ash cloud its a via montreal job to refuel - an 11hr trip. I've been up since 7am sat morning but not a prob i thought, i'll sleep on the plane! But no. The woman next to me has already warned me she needs to get up and walk every 30mins & she has a weak bladder - SO WHY THE FUNK BOOK A WINDOW SEAT?!!!!!

[The Simps]

The nova is going to plan btw. Maybe an update mid-summer.

[The Simps]

And we're off!!

[scott.parker]

lol good luck with the holiday, hope you can make it back!

[The Simps]

I dont mind! Lol

[MK999]

The nova is going to plan btw. Maybe an update mid-summer.

Mid summer?! Get someone in who knows what they're doing lol

[The Simps]

A little taster for for you of what the rear end should look like...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/Novachassis.jpg

[MK999]

That looks a bit fcuking tasty! Who did that? lol

[The Simps]

lol

[The Simps]

obviously not you or the coilovers would have had pink springs ;)

[MK999]

obviously not you or the coilovers would have had pink springs ;)

"Not my part" :p And I wanted to do the chassis dayglo orange

[t45_ste]

That looks spot on. Who you getting to do the inboard dampers?

[MK999]

Gaz supply them off the self with rosejointed ends.

[t45_ste]

I was thinking more along the lines of the rockers etc.

[MK999]

Whatever engineering company has the resources to CNC them basically lol

[The Simps]

There's a lot of one-offs in there! lol

[shaun larnder]

which equals nice ONE off prices lol.

[t45_ste]

Excellent. Was that designed is solid works?

[shaun larnder]

looks like it.

[The Simps]

which equals nice ONE off prices lol.

It shouldnt be TOO bad lol

[The Simps]

I think its solid works yeah

[t45_ste]

Cool, who's done that for you? Has it been tested. This is going to be impressive.

[MK999]

There's a lot of one-offs in there! lol

As few as possible within reason :) And yeah it's solidworks, FEA done in the same package.

[MK999]

Cool, who's done that for you? Has it been tested. This is going to be impressive.

Hi :) Me and 4 others took this on as a uni project on a suspension design. It's been FEA'd (Finite Element Analysis, google if confused about what that exactly is, bit complicated to explain here lol) and analysed geometry wise but obviously the real testing comes when it's built, we know for instance the ride frequencies, installations ratios, wheels rates, rough grip levels and what this equates to in terms of roll, camber under cornering etc, but obviously there's no way to test it for real, until it's real :p

[t45_ste]

Hi :) Me and 4 others took this on as a uni project on a suspension design. It's been FEA'd (Finite Element Analysis, google if confused about what that exactly is, bit complicated to explain here lol) and analysed geometry wise but obviously the real testing comes when it's built, we know for instance the ride frequencies, installations ratios, wheels rates, rough grip levels and what this equates to in terms of roll, camber under cornering etc, but obviously there's no way to test it for real, until it's real :p

Iv read a bit into as a lad at work uses it. Where were you when my rear wanted designing lol

Mines suck it and see lol

[The Simps]

I did have a nice bit of luck on my timing! lol

Now crack on with the front end Mark!

[MK999]

Iv read a bit into as a lad at work uses it. Where were you when my rear wanted designing lol

Mines suck it and see lol

Believe I was still doing "this is how a piston goes up and down" in my 1st year at that point :p If I start getting bombarded with stuff I might tell people to feck off, but I'm happy to talk to people about anything I learn at uni in relation to their projects, limplamp has abused me for a good few hours at a time before now, just have to bear in mind I'm no expert, I can only pass on what I've learnt, which is all theory.

[MK999]

I did have a nice bit of luck on my timing! lol

Now crack on with the front end Mark!

I'm on holiday at the moment, but as soon as you sort me out with a cushty desk and £25 an hour I'll get right on it lol

[The Simps]

It should take you about an hour to do it tho right?

[MK999]

It should take you about an hour to do it tho right?

Thats my preliminary quote yes, obviously you'd have to pay for all the hours put in when its done though. Deal? lol

[shaun larnder]

Im sure that you could set him up a nice desk up the shed Simon... lots of bits of wood laying around, not quite as much as all the metal tho which was once your nova floor etc :)

[MK999]

I'll take the little room at the back, that way the PA can be in the main shed to send people through. lol

[shaun larnder]

lol
Hope you dont mind grinding dust, because you will be covered in it.

[The Simps]

...and all the spiders...

[The Simps]

...and we occasionally have rats to visit but it shouldnt be a problem as we'll have you working day & night so you can "shoo" them off! lol

[burgo]

how bolt able have you made it? my reasoning is you made it as a bolt in sub assembly it doesnt matter to much about crashing lol

[MK999]

how bolt able have you made it? my reasoning is you made it as a bolt in sub assembly it doesnt matter to much about crashing lol

The chassis will be stronger than the wishbones, it's just something that happens to be due to the way they're loaded, but the stiffness worked into the chassis should mean that unless he stacks it big time it won't be going anywhere, it flexes 1.2mm iirc under a fictional maximum braking+maximum cornering force, elongation of CDS is around 5% and that deformation even in a small 30cm triangulation tube is about 0.35%. Quick calculation with it hitting a tyre wall (deceleration happening during 1s) says anything under 25mph shouldn't even bend the chassis, which is pretty cool lol Basically it wasn't exactly designed with crashing in mind (the entire thing was done in 10 weeks, there just isn't time for everything) but even if it was, it would be sacrificing the stiffness of something somewhere.

Problem with bolt in subframes too is they flex like a *******, it's like spot welding a chassis together instead of stitch welding it, you're relying of x number of points where it's all bolted up to take the stresses in the chassis, which are piddly little bolts, instead of nice chunky tubes.

[The Simps]

The idea is the shell will be bolted to the full car framework as there will be nothing on the shell that is structural. I should be able to lift the shell up over the top once done.

[MK999]

The idea is the shell will be bolted to the full car framework as there will be nothing on the shell that is structural. I should be able to lift the shell up over the top once done.

After you lol

[shaun larnder]

will be the only vectra fitted with a Hiab on the back.

[t45_ste]

.

[The Simps]

The more i read of this thread, the more woried i become of mine lol seriously.

the more i read your thread the worried i get about how long its gonna take to build! Lol. Yours is in a league of its own the mate, every component is top notch.

[The Simps]

will be the only vectra fitted with a Hiab on the back.


Lol

[Benn]

So have you touched the car/shell/chassis at all then?

[djbrowney]

i hurd the price of scarp is quite high at the min lol

[The Simps]

So have you touched the car/shell/chassis at all then?


I've done some work yes but am at a point I can't remove any more until I add the cage and as the cage is the chassis it wasn't something to go leaping in with without a bit of thought. Now the rear is done I can get all the tubing together and start building while we're also working on designing the front end.

[Benn]

Ah sounds good dude.

[MK999]

Once he stops keeping BA in business anyway lol

[dj_wudgey]

A little taster for for you of what the rear end should look like...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/Novachassis.jpg

that looks the sh*t have you started fabricating this yet??

[The Simps]

Once he stops keeping BA in business anyway lol

Virgin actually :p

[The Simps]

that looks the sh*t have you started fabricating this yet??

not yet. Design was only finalised the other week. In case people havn't twigged the credit goes to Mark (MK999) and his uni mates who have done all the work for their uni project. I've certainly learnt alot from it and look forward to working on the front with Mark. Hell, it might not even work right but then fun will still be in building & learning.

[MK999]

Hell, it might not even work right but then fun will still be in building & learning.
'Cha trying to say? lol

Virgin actually :p
He's loaded anyways! lol

[dj_wudgey]

not yet. Design was only finalised the other week. In case people havn't twigged the credit goes to Mark (MK999) and his uni mates who have done all the work for their uni project. I've certainly learnt alot from it and look forward to working on the front with Mark. Hell, it might not even work right but then fun will still be in building & learning.

yea it will be matey learn from your mistakes and that!! hope it does work though! get stuck in and get the fabricating started mate!! want to see this done!!

[The Simps]

Oh believe me I want to see it done! Sadly its not just a case of get stuck in, its all baby steps and a lot of thinking! Should make some good progress this summer tho. I'd like to have all the rear cagework done and assembled by the end of the summer.

[The Simps]

Was up the shed for a bit today doing some measuring for the bellhousing/torque tube assembly. I've worked out where the new end plate needs to be welded on the torque to mate to the bellhousing. Should all work out lovely. So will drop the bellhousing off this week to have the plate laser cut to match.

Also couldn't resist cutting just a little more away! lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/IMG_0062.jpg


Went to a hotrod show at Billing saturday. Was some cool stuff there. Went so Shaun could get inspired to build his chevy truck which I think it has done. Here a couple of pics of cars I liked. Sorry about my thumb on the last few! lol

22s anyone....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/IMG_0056.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/IMG_0057.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/IMG_0058.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/IMG_0059.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/IMG_0060.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/IMG_0061.jpg

[MK999]

Less mincing more saving up, could have been on a street corner earning extra pennies instead of in the shed lol I get paid just after PV btw, I may be looking at buying my cage then if you're still in for a joint trip up there :)

[The Simps]

Yeah, a trip up there would be good. I buy just the main framework 1st then add the rear after.

[stupot89]

any up dates matey???

[MK999]

The mincer is still skint cos he keeps buggering off to different countries instead of starting it :p

[Mazz]

:mad:

I got all excited then!

[The Simps]

Dam people bumping my thread! Was hiding away nicely! lol

As Mark as said, money has been redirected elsewhere. I'm actually off to New York tomorrow for another 5 days! lol The day I get back the work on a new bathroom starts. So its all spend, spend, spend at the moment.

I did get up the shed yesterday tho to say hi to the ole girl (havnt seen it in months!). Done a bit of tidying up and rder some new cutting & grinding discs. I'm off work the next 3wks so hopefuly get some time in. After the bathroom is done money will be headed towards this again.

Mark - PM your way!

[draper]

:mad:

I got all excited then!

so did i - anti-climax FTL

[The Simps]

I could post up some boobies it it helps??

[draper]

maybe



lol

[The Simps]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_fDIDD-nugxA/R49LVhFaC5I/AAAAAAAAAe4/hKJ17x9N-Sc/s400/moobs4.jpg

[draper]

woohoo

[scott.parker]

Get on with the fecking car!















lol

[The Simps]

Stop bumping! You're just going to disappoint more people!! lol

[draper]

weekly bumps are in order

bullying FTW

[The Simps]

fpmsl

[scott.parker]

Just build it or scrap it i say! lol it's not much use to anyone els now is it..

[The Simps]

Finally got an hour in on the car today - yay!! All I can say is that there's not alot more that can be cut off my shell now! lol Need to re-write my letter to Santa and get that off this week and request a new welder along with the pile of oriental porn already requested. No pics I'm afraid, nothing to show really. Just imagine a 2dr shell with no floor and the front cut off up the the bottom of the a pillar.

[mowgli]

Finally got an hour in on the car today - yay!! All I can say is that there's not alot more that can be cut off my shell now! lol Need to re-write my letter to Santa and get that off this week and request a new welder along with the pile of oriental porn already requested. No pics I'm afraid, nothing to show really. Just imagine a 2dr shell with no floor and the front cut off up the the bottom of the a pillar.

well they sell mk2 escorts like that on eBay for 2 grand....... cough ringer cough

[MK999]

Finally got an hour in on the car today - yay!! All I can say is that there's not alot more that can be cut off my shell now! lol Need to re-write my letter to Santa and get that off this week and request a new welder along with the pile of oriental porn already requested. No pics I'm afraid, nothing to show really. Just imagine a 2dr shell with no floor and the front cut off up the the bottom of the a pillar.

Pff, probably plenty more, give me an hour or 3 and a few discs lol

Also when do you wanna do a trip to custom cages? might need a bit of warning as my main PC is in bits atm so I'll have to get the CAD files off of Tim

[The Simps]

Gonna have to wait to new year now I think mate. The bills are pouring in at the moment!

[MK999]

Tell me about it lol Want some of mine too?

[dan16v]

Money Pit!!!

[dan16v]

Xxxxxxx

[John]

booo, i see update, and thought it was running/finished!

[Paul]

booo, i see update, and thought it was running/finished!

A proper update is a bit overdue aint it! ;) lol

[MK999]

A proper update is a bit overdue aint it! ;) lol

It is, we should be doing something a bit more threatening to spur him on I think, steal his vectra and send a broken wing mirror in the post or something. Week to start or it'll be larger parts through the post lol

[draper]

heard a rumour of an update ?

[The Simps]

Stop bumping this old thread draper! Isn't that a sin bin offense? I better have a chat with admin.

[draper]

Stop bumping this old thread draper! Isn't that a sin bin offense? I better have a chat with admin.

might spur me on to do mine having a holiday from here lol

or id just go and make circles and lines in the snow using my other shonky vauxhall

[The Simps]

lol

You do realise how upset people are gonna be thinking there's gonna be an update dont you?!

[draper]

yes, in a perverse way that turns me on

giving PNGers an anti climax since jun 2005

[Andy]

isnt there one? fukks sake!!!

[The Simps]

lol

[Count Vaux Alot]

Ah man no update! Ffs!!

[Mazz]

:mad:

I got all excited then!

as above..

[Benn]

lol

You do realise how upset people are gonna be thinking there's gonna be an update dont you?!

Do some frigging work then pussy boy.

[The Simps]

Hey dont start on me! :(

[MK999]

Hey dont start on me! :(

Fcuk that, carry on, he might do something for once lol

[fearless]

2010 WILL be the year of progress - that is a promiss!!

Remember that statement :roll:

Only made a few hours ago

[Pistol Pete]

lol

Maybe there should be a group sig campaign to hit the point home...

[Benn]

Hey dont start on me! :(

Do something and i wont... ;) love you..

[Count Vaux Alot]

lol

Maybe there should be a group sig campaign to hit the point home...
I would be happy with that - Benn has a point

[The Simps]

You're all so mean! If I do go up the workshop it'll be to go be alone so I can cry!

[Benn]

Why cant you just crack on? Cutting and welding and stuff dont cost alot...

[dj_wudgey]

i agree with ben!! i was well disapointed when i saw this come up and realised there was no progress :(

[MK999]

Why cant you just crack on? Cutting and welding and stuff dont cost alot...

Next stage is to buy up all the rear end bits from custom cages really, which is probably the loudest kerching sound he's gonna hear in one go lol


Should still get on with it already though, the raging homo mincerlol :p

[Benn]

Ah ok, tbh i cant remember where he got to. Stop spending money on beer and posh cheese Si and you'll afford the cage...

[MK999]

And transatlantic flights... :p

Regardless of what stage he got to tbh, the shell is superficial now, the car should run without a shell perched on top the way it's designed.

[The Simps]

I should be getting a new welder around xmas new year and hope to get the cage into new year. I'd like to get it in bulk but might just do it in stages.

Holidays have drained my funds this last 6mths, but no regrets, and I'm now fighting a battle at work over sick pay as I was off work for a month a few weeks back. How they want to pay me I'm going to be £500 down a month for the next 6mths :(

[Benn]

Stay at home holidays = car builds...


lol

[MK999]

Bump up for updates since you're such a smartass :)

[Count Vaux Alot]

Updates??

[Mazz]

ooooooooooooooooh :)

oh :(

[Plug]

quit with the bumps lol :(

[The Simps]

** UPDATE **

Went and purchased myself a new toy yesterday. Its running stage 1 and a healthy 280bhp and is plenty of fun. Will get me trained up for rwd action in the nova. Been looking for an uber clean black one with beige leather for about 6mths now so was pleased when this popped up last week. Probably not the update you lot want but tough titties! :p


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/IMG_0583.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/DSC_0123.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/DSC_0125.jpg


No major plans for it. Needs bigger wheels as these are only on 215 rubber but wont do that until April time when the whether is better when I'll fit some of these...

http://www.apexperformance.co.uk/catalog/images/nur_silver.jpg


...in 8.5x18 front, 9.5x18 rear on 255 rubber. Will fit coilovers and camber arms at the same time to.


Next update will be nova based as I'm picking up a new welder either this week if I get time or next week so can crack on and get it on the spit!

[MK999]

Pff, wrong thread homo lol

And what are you doing with the nova on a spit? You can pretty much ignore the shell now as a pretty dress up bit over the chassis...

[Mike]

Awesomeness!!

[Andy]

Another waste of my time simps lol
New toy looks nice though

[Johnny A]

Simps, we are on page 124 and so far all you have done is hack the chassis to bits with a grinder. GET MOVING SUCKA!

I managed to build my chassis in 40 pages!!

[The Simps]

Simps, we are on page 124 and so far all you have done is hack the chassis to bits with a grinder. GET MOVING SUCKA!

I managed to build my chassis in 40 pages!!


I need to rename the thread "Nova 2.0 16v R1 Carb'd Trackcar + Chit Chat"

Is yours up & running now then boss?

[Johnny A]

Nah, got kicked out of the unit (Jamie did too before you ask lol) and brought it home. Garage too small to work on it at home, found a new unit for myself about a month ago but I have yet to get it up there (waiting for there to be a lack of snow lol)

[The Simps]

Have you got much more to do then?

[Johnny A]

yeah all the boring crap like fuel/brake lines, plumb engine in, make a dashboard (still not decided whether to go dash route or full-on cage)

[The Simps]

How you've built yours I'd go for a dash, carpets, leather etc personally.

[Johnny A]

Leather is SOOOO 'benn', already bought alcantera beige buckets baby

[The Simps]

meh, that'll do then I spose lol

[draper]

crap update

nice new motor tho

[Benn]

Hhhmmm is nice.

Nova really needs work or it will be another year down...

[The Simps]

I know, I know...

[MK999]

Reeaaallllyy? Someone must keep informing you lol


You nearly finished this yet?

[blue_peg_16v]

jesus simps i thought i was a lazy fecker lol

now sell me the mistrals lol

[C612DNM]

Could have bought a proper Datsun. A Skyline at least!
You do realise your budget for the Nova project will be eaten up by tyres on that rice burner.

[Count Vaux Alot]

I like the new boat - If your after a nice shiny turbo for it let me know!

[MK999]

I like the new boat - If your after a nice shiny turbo for it let me know!

Don't encourage him! Offer him a turbo for a LET

[Steve]

Screw the nova, that S14 is niiiccceeee!!!! lol Those rims would look sweet on it.
But would still like to see this nova of yours finished when you get a minute lol

[MK999]

Geometry of any road car is in a different (sunday) league compared to a purpose built car :)