My XE nova on throttle bodies (Project 275+bhp)

[Gareth_C]

Well heres another update. The postman brought me some more nice things ready to sort at the weekend.
All the parts to build the 3" exhaust
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03220.jpg
powerflex rear axle bushes
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03222.jpg
A bosch 044 fuel pump and bracket
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03221.jpg
And some bits for when the engine gets built, a set of sbd steel idler rollers and a coil mount bracket
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03223.jpg

Hopefully ill have the exhaust mocked up at the weekend so I can dismantle the remaining parts of the engine to take to Steve to plat nice with ;) :thumb:
Cheers Gareth

[david dixon]

love it!

[Danny s-p]

i can see this been a long Saturday for us again

[nova_sr_boi1991]

[quote=Jonlem]Gaz'd ran a F28 in the end as they kept blowing F20's to pieces, in fairness though in took the revs but then it also had probably upwards of 300lbft to drive it through the gears which this won't have.

I have a brand new Quaife gearkit sitting here, still wrapped as supplied from Quaife £1000[

isit a dog box kit and isit forsale :)

[Jonlem]

Nope it was a Quaife sccr gearkit which Gareth now has.

If you want a dog gearkit pm me

[Gareth_C]

Well this was the outcame of saturday.
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03232.jpg
striped down the engine and all bits then dropped it all off with steve for the correct assembley hopefully with have it back by the end of the month and we are ready to roll.
The ironic thing is it doesnt look much for £12k :eek: :cry:

[Paul]

That exhaust will exceed 103dB almost guaranteed.

[Gareth_C]

That exhaust will exceed 103dB almost guaranteed.
Hi mate I hope it doesn't but there isnt much to do other than wait and see. Dave dixons v6 had a similar system but only had 2silencers and that was less than 100db

[Jonlem]

Out of interest who specced the exhaust to 3 inch ? I'm quite sure the Simpson one Giles had was a 2.75" as was the one they made my mates xe.

[david dixon]

I think its a SBD spec.

David.

[Gareth_C]

Out of interest who specced the exhaust to 3 inch ? I'm quite sure the Simpson one Giles had was a 2.75" as was the one they made my mates xe.
That's what sbd have reccomended mate.

[Paul]

I had exactly the same 'Simons' boxes, and they dont really quiten it down.

I appreciate Im comparing it to a turbo here, but my back was the same size as one of them, and I had an 18" long middle box, and it was very noisy.

[scott.parker]

Thats why i sold my old btb race manofold same as that, as uless your going full hog it ott and im sure the exit off it is under 3" more like 2'3/4

[Gareth_C]

I had exactly the same 'Simons' boxes, and they dont really quiten it down.

I appreciate Im comparing it to a turbo here, but my back was the same size as one of them, and I had an 18" long middle box, and it was very noisy.

Ill just have to hope and prey it ok, i did ask the chap when ordereing and he reckoned to small silencer would quieten it down more than one long, so i hope hes right cause there is no room to fit another one

[Gareth_C]

Thats why i sold my old btb race manofold same as that, as uless your going full hog it ott and im sure the exit off it is under 3" more like 2'3/4

I know what you mean but the amount i have invested there was no point sticking with an exhaust that would complement the car. the btb is 2.5" and what sbd say is if you want more power upgrade to a 3" if you want more torque stick with a 2.5". but with the toque you down gain as much as power if thant makes any sense

[Jonlem]

What's the shortest 3 inch box simons do ? I need a really small silencer to fit in the wheelarch off the Peugeot as it only has the one 2 foot silencer in the sill

[Gareth_C]

What's the shortest 3 inch box simons do ? I need a really small silencer to fit in the wheelarch off the Peugeot as it only has the one 2 foot silencer in the sill

What size bore are you looking for? the 3" bore that i bought are 250mm long x 125mm diameter. they seem to be the smalleset I have found :thumb:

[david dixon]

I'm sure this is their smallest 3" box

http://www.jetex.co.uk/website/images/catalogues/customparts/u457600box.jpg

David.

[Gareth_C]

I'm sure this is their smallest 3" box
http://www.jetex.co.uk/website/images/catalogues/customparts/u457600box.jpg

David.

I already answered old man you getting slower as you lose those last strands of hair :p lol

[david dixon]

yeah but i had to do the job properly for you ;)

[Gareth_C]

yeah but i had to do the job properly for you ;)

well I was told to help the aged this week so I let you join in with your links later if you can manage to eat your dinner without spilling any on your bib ill give you a gold star lol :p

[david dixon]

nice one, it'll add to my collection!

[Jonlem]

Cheers guys, sadly I literally have no more than maybe 6 inches to fit a silencer in there at best.

It may not even work anyway as the exhaust is very close to the tyre anyway and a silencer will mean its even closer.

Maybe I could go with something like the japs do with a 20 foot silencer pointing upwards, or something off a Scania truck ! lol

[Gareth_C]

Cheers guys, sadly I literally have no more than maybe 6 inches to fit a silencer in there at best.

It may not even work anyway as the exhaust is very close to the tyre anyway and a silencer will mean its even closer.

Maybe I could go with something like the japs do with a 20 foot silencer pointing upwards, or something off a Scania truck ! lol
Sounds like a plan mate was Ben ok with knocking those bits up

[Jonlem]

It sure does ! should blend in nicely with the subtle bodykit it has lol

Yes he is although he has just buggered his back up so I expect there is going to be a delay as he will quickly get behind with all his other jobs.

I'll call you once I have spoken to him though mate.

[NOV4_SPORT]

wow looks like its going to be impresive matey.

iain

[Gareth_C]

It sure does ! should blend in nicely with the subtle bodykit it has lol

Yes he is although he has just buggered his back up so I expect there is going to be a delay as he will quickly get behind with all his other jobs.

I'll call you once I have spoken to him though mate.
Sounds good mate cheers

[Gareth_C]

wow looks like its going to be impresive matey.

iain

I hope so mate. Should be a good laugh. Cheers Gareth

[Gareth_C]

Well I managed to get something done today even thought its not much.
I started refixing the rear brakes but then noticed I have been supplied the wrong disks.
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03244.jpg
So I decided to mock fit the rear axle to make sure the coilover lines up for the new bracket.
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03245.jpg
made the bracket to suit.
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03246.jpg
welded it in place
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03248.jpg
And everything was going so well until when we held the axle up in place the new bracket that bolts onto the strut base was too far inward :cry:
so out came the 3mm plate and made the template to suit (starwars comes to mind)
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03250.jpg
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03251.jpg
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03252.jpg
I have put a single triangulation underneath but I think I may need another
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03254.jpg

Ill get the other side finished tomorrow and start with other pressing things
Cheers Gareth

[lee303]

for the beam, you can just weld in a piece of box under your new plate, will be plenty strong enough, pretty much what i did on mine

[Gareth_C]

for the beam, you can just weld in a piece of box under your new plate, will be plenty strong enough, pretty much what i did on mine

Cheers Lee I might look into it at some point, but ill see how what I have done pans out :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

Managed to get the back axel finished in a fashion just go the barakes built then sorted really.
The finished article
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03268.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03266.jpg

Then I decided to carry out more demolition work by starting to cut the line for the dry sump kit
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03270.jpg

Then I got a bit off topic by making the brackets to hold my fuel tank
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03263.jpg
it will sit something like this
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03262.jpg
I also tried to work out when everthing else was going to sit
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03264.jpg
Cheers Gareth

[Iain]

Is it a better idea to have as much of the fuel system as far forward as possible in case of rear impact? Just thinking out loud...

Turrets and beam look awesome by the way

[Gareth_C]

Is it a better idea to have as much of the fuel system as far forward as possible in case of rear impact? Just thinking out loud...

Turrets and beam look awesome by the way

Cheers Iain I did think about that and im not sure thats where everything is going to stay :confused:

[david dixon]

You want to try getting your corner weights tested mate then work out where the best places are for the fuel parts.

[Gareth_C]

You want to try getting your corner weights tested mate then work out where the best places are for the fuel parts.

I know that should be something I'll look into

[Jonlem]

Looking good Gareth, personally I wouldn't fit the swirl pot there as it is as mentioned a bit of a hazard if things go wrong.

[Gareth_C]

Looking good Gareth, personally I wouldn't fit the swirl pot there as it is as mentioned a bit of a hazard if things go wrong.

Cheers bud that was just to see where it looked good :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

Well I didnt make much progress this weekend, as I was helping wwmnw to try and progress his.
Got the fibreglass bonnet painted
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03317.jpg
Needs a polish really
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03318.jpg
Thats all for now.
Cheers Gareth

[Gareth_C]

Well got a little bit done yesterday. Managed to get the pedal box sat in place its no the best fitment but it should work
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03346.jpg
Made a couple of plates to hide where the old braking system sat
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03351.jpg
Also ran the front bake lines to the t-piece.
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03345.jpg
Plates fitted
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03352.jpg
I modded and welded in a plate in for the dry sump kit
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03355.jpg
Not sure if im happy with the welds
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03357.jpg
Then I ran out of welding gas so need to finish the inside welds.
Since I still had time I Started cutting and drilling the old seat mount to fit some new rails
And Finally polished the bonnet seems to have come up ok.

Thats all for now cheers

[Gareth_C]

Got some moreweldinggas today and after the cinema I decided to finish the chassis leg
Finishedthewelds on the engine bay side
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03383.jpg
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03384.jpg
seam sealed both sides
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03385.jpg
then shutz'd the inner arch to finish the job
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03386.jpg
im detemind to get the seat rails done on fri and star putting it back together for the engine returning in time for pvs :thumb:
Cheers Gareth

[Gareth_C]

Managed to get the rear brakes built up last night after I managed to get the correct fitting kit from vauxhall

Traill fitted the wheels on the rear, And i have realised that they are gonna be close
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03389.jpg
Will hopefully get it nearly finished on the weekend :thumb:

[Danny s-p]

Look good give a call satday all come help

[Mazz]

Pro-race 3's? 7J width aren't they :(

[Gareth_C]

Pro-race 3's? 7J width aren't they :(

Yes they are mate 45mm offset

[Mazz]

My 1.2's are the same :(

Shame they don't do them in a smaller width..

[Gareth_C]

My 1.2's are the same :(

Shame they don't do them in a smaller width..

I know what you mean they are a bit excessive

[chrisnovaturbo]

there the wheels im getting. never seen them on a nova till now lol

[Gareth_C]

there the wheels im getting. never seen them on a nova till now lol

Glad to be of service lol :thumb:

[scott.parker]

Rolled arch lips and spacers fine??

[Benn]

Why the clearance on the chassis leg?

[Gareth_C]

Why the clearance on the chassis leg?

On the front?
Because the pulleys for the oil pump for the pace kit fouls the chassis leg so I went a bit overkill to allow enough room :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

Rolled arch lips and spacers fine??

yeah thats about right mate

[Mincyballs]

Hows it coming mate? looks good so far..... when you aiming to get it to pod?

[Gareth_C]

Hows it coming mate? looks good so far..... when you aiming to get it to pod?

It's all good Im hoping to have it at pod for pvs will you be there :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

Well another weekend gone and not much done but ill be out on it everynight during the week.
But I have got the rear turrets paiinted and finishe. Started remaving the brackets for the seat raisl to be put in. And i have sort of welded the exhaust together so when the manifold comes back I just have to flange the exhaust. I have also been told from steve (steveboyslim) that my engine should be ready to come back this weekend coming. :d
I will get some pics up over the week.
Cheers Gareth

[Jonlem]

Not putting it on the dyno then Gareth ?

In all honesty I would be if it was mine, will certainly work out cheaper than running it in then taking it to be mapped, plus you can fit it and use it from the off ;)

[david dixon]

It is being ran in and mapped on the dyno but it'll just need the map alteratering a little once its fitted to the car.

David.

[Gareth_C]

Not putting it on the dyno then Gareth ?

In all honesty I would be if it was mine, will certainly work out cheaper than running it in then taking it to be mapped, plus you can fit it and use it from the off ;)
Touch the biggest fattest piece of wood I can that should be happening wedensday I think mate. :thumb:

[Jonlem]

OOH ! I bet Steves ar5ehole will be twitching on wednesday lol

Hope it goes well mate, I'm sure it will, its certainly the right way of doing things.

David, agreed but its nigh on ready to go with any leaks or potential problems sorted before installation which on a Nova is a huge benefit.

[Gareth_C]

OOH ! I bet Steves ar5ehole will be twitching on wednesday lol

Hope it goes well mate, I'm sure it will, its certainly the right way of doing things.

David, agreed but its nigh on ready to go with any leaks or potential problems sorted before installation which on a Nova is a huge benefit.
Lol I don't about steve but I sure am its a lot of money to contemplate when you have no contol over the final product. But as you said it's being done right

[Gareth_C]

Right pic update time Have started cracking on with the seat rails as the plans is to get the inside finished this week ready for the engine coming back.

Started with some 25mmx25mm square tube
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03448.jpg
To make the spreader plates to weld to the car used 3mm plate and cut 60mmx60mm squares
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03450.jpg
Cleaned the plate found the centre then centered the bar
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03451.jpg
Tacked the plates to make sure they would fit into the car
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03452.jpg
Once made sure it fitted seam welded the plate to the bar
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03454.jpg
Made plenty of penetration
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03457.jpg
Welded the bars in the car to suit the width of the seat holes I have welded them so they can still be adjusted if required. Also welded to supports to make a h-frame style mounting.
the finished article
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03460.jpg

I haven't got any pics of the rear arches finished but will update properly with pics soon :thumb:
Cheers Gareth

[db_1.2]

I heard you like a bit of penetration Gareth! How's the engine coming along?

[Gareth_C]

I heard you like a bit of penetration Gareth! How's the engine coming along?

Lol have some rep lol
I do in deed are you willing to take it like.
The engine is built and ready to roll all being well should be getting ran in on a engine test rig and mapped tomorrow. Its built right so may as well run it in right ;) :thumb:

[db_1.2]

Lol have some rep lol
I do in deed are you willing to take it like.
The engine is built and ready to roll all being well should be getting ran in on a engine test rig and mapped tomorrow. Its built right so may as well run it in right ;) :thumb:

Cheers pal. But seriously, I'm impressed by your welding, and the fabrication on the chassis leg :thumb:

I was trying to find some pics of the complete engine last night but didn't find none :(.

Can't wait to see the finished article, also, I'll give you sow rep in return, for the good work and dedication.:)

[Gareth_C]

Cheers pal. But seriously, I'm impressed by your welding, and the fabrication on the chassis leg :thumb:

I was trying to find some pics of the complete engine last night but didn't find none :(.

Can't wait to see the finished article, also, I'll give you sow rep in return, for the good work and dedication.:)

Cheers mate im actually impressed by the mig welding aswell up until the last few weeks the weldin has been ok but most has been hidden away but I must have just got past that crap area to ok area of mig welding. Half the time i wanted to stop and get some gas rods as I can do that till the cows come with having to do it as part of my job but the migging is looking good. :thumb:
ill get some pics up as soon as I get the engine picked up but im looking forward to the dyno power figurelol

[Gareth_C]

update time. guys just been speaking to steve (aka steveboyslim) and my engine is ran in and mapped ready to go. I do need to get it checked on the rollers as they couldnt use the BTB exhaust manifold on the engine dyno.

So the question on everybodys lips how much power has this very expensive c20xe got?

It made 244bhp at 7900. And there will be more to come (maybe another 10-15bhp steve thinks) the mapp is to run as it is and will be making a journey to rs when there is some time free in there diary. Its a usable which is the main thing so even if it's not checked it can still get to pv and ran up the strip http://www.vauxhall-sport-forum.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/002.gif http://www.vauxhall-sport-forum.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif .


I must say a Huge thanks to steve Milton, steve greenhall, Neil roper, bluesprint and anybody else who has played a part in the quest with the engine ESP as they were still playing with it a midnight last night.
Cheers gareth

[ryansnova]

sounds good mate and thats alot of power for a tiny we nova lol

[Gareth_C]

sounds good mate and thats alot of power for a tiny we nova lol

Cheers bud. Most people will say im never happy but if it hits the 255+ mark then i think that will do. :)

[ryansnova]

well thats about 255+ more bhp than my 1.2.... lol

[Gareth_C]

well thats about 255+ more bhp than my 1.2.... lol

As they say every little helps lol

[ryansnova]

have you got eny more plans for the car yet mate ?:cool:

[Gareth_C]

have you got eny more plans for the car yet mate ?:cool:

Hopefully I will have the interior back Ive just had the R888 tyes put on the team dynamics rims ( which has saved me 10kgs :d ) get them on and mod the chassis for the engine to mount to then when its finished leave it alone forever lol

[Danny s-p]

The pic not working as it got l o l in there so bring this up lol and dosent let the link work

[Mincyballs]

Congrats on getting it running mate, I shall be at PV for a little show down haha its been a great build and i bet your palms are getting sweaty at the thought of driving it!

[Gareth_C]

Congrats on getting it running mate, I shall be at PV for a little show down haha its been a great build and i bet your palms are getting sweaty at the thought of driving it!

Cheers mate I'll be looking out for you to knock you off you winning streak lol, seroiusly though I'm just looking forward to getting in it and seeing all the dollar bills paying off :thumb:

[Paul]

Nice result mate, was mapped by one of thd best too!

[Jonlem]

Nice result mate, was mapped by one of thd best too!

And in true fashion he was still working on it past midnight lol

[Gareth_C]

Cheers guys I thought whats the point do this one half hearted get it done right first time, esp with the advice and guidence thats I have had from here it will just be nice to get it on that start line at pvs dump the clutch and away we go lol

[philip]

nice figures matey, bet you cant wait to get it in the car...what spec were the cams in the end?

[Will F]

Good result - very similar to my figure - but whats the torque fig? Thats the important one! lol

[Gareth_C]

nice figures matey, bet you cant wait to get it in the car...what spec were the cams in the end?
Cheers mate. Very big lol seriously though I'm not sure steve sorted that out when I get the engine back I'll put the final spec up. But they are piper cams and they were the biggest cams before having no tickover :eek:

[Gareth_C]

Good result - very similar to my figure - but whats the torque fig? Thats the important one! lol

I'm not too sure as steve seemed tired yesterday :( but he has all the printouts and there are some bids and pics of it in the testing room so I'll have the full sp then. But tbf iirc all the guys that were there all agreed it was a good strong engine I'm not worried :thumb:

[Paul]

It has 180lb/ft from 5k going up to 190lb/ft at 6-6.5k before it drops off iirc

[Gareth_C]

It has 180lb/ft from 5k going up to 190lb/ft at 6-6.5k before it drops off iirc

Cheers for that paul I never asked to be fair but Im guessing that a good figure :thumb:

[scott.parker]

Frigging good resaults mate..

[Gareth_C]

Frigging good resaults mate..
Cheers scott should be good once it gets past that 250 Mark. I also found out it made just under 192 ftlb of torque

[Will F]

Cheers scott should be good once it gets past that 250 Mark. I also found out it made just under 192 ftlb of torque

Seriously - dont bother chasing figures. You could take it any RR and get 260+ lol It really doesnt mean a lot.

That - plus once you bolt on all your ancilleries etc, the power will drop - its always a bit higher on the dyno!

:thumb:

[Gareth_C]

Seriously - dont bother chasing figures. You could take it any RR and get 260+ lol It really doesnt mean a lot.

That - plus once you bolt on all your ancilleries etc, the power will drop - its always a bit higher on the dyno!

:thumb:

Cheers will. But what ancillieries? I was under the impression the engine dyno was the true way for getting a power figure.
I know what you mean about the figures but if you check out vauxsport steve has put up what he thinks and considering even Neil roper had said he thinks its a good 250 bhp+ engine im optimistic

cheers

[Gareth_C]

Update time. Managed to get the seat rails finished in the front and just need to tidy up with seam sealer and paint them in the morning. Started re doing thr fr gearbox engine mount back to accept the F20. also Started to the rear brake lines to a t-piece to run the single line throught the car ill get the pics taken tomorrow and upload later.

Cheers Gareth

[Gareth_C]

Managed to find the time to get some pics sorted today.
Pics of the finished turrets painted
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03496.jpg
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03495.jpg
Played nice running the rear brake lines for the pedal box
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03500.jpg
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03499.jpg
to the t-piece and into the car
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03501.jpg
Moodified the dash a little
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03502.jpg
Then put in all the fuel system to get it neat and right
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03498.jpg
Hoping to get the inside finished this weekend coming ready for the engine to go in.
Cheers Gareth

[Gareth_C]

Well after an exciting and a long 10 hour round trip with Danny s-p. The engines back.
Heres the finished product:
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03510.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03516.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03512.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03513.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03511.jpg
Will hopefully get it fitted on monday and see what happens ;)
Thanks Gareth

[Iain]

Nice, looks good. Are those machined blanks for the oil filler and breather holes?

[Gareth_C]

Nice, looks good. Are those machined blanks for the oil filler and breather holes?
Cheers Iain they are indeed, there from SBD and are not cheap for what they are :cry:

[Iain]

Nothing ever is lol How do you fill it with oil then? :)

[Gareth_C]

Nothing ever is lol How do you fill it with oil then? :)

Siht never thought of that :confused: I think ill just have to use the method of filling the dry sump tank lol :thumb:
(Sorry Iain couldn't resist the sarcasm)

Cheers Gareth

[Iain]

Unecessary lol Never seen a dry sump system so didn't know how they worked :( Good luck for the fitting on Monday

[Gareth_C]

Unecessary lol Never seen a dry sump system so didn't know how they worked :( Good luck for the fitting on Monday

lol I hope it all goes swimming, I know what you mean about the dry sump im still trying to get my head around it :)

[Gareth_C]

Update time.
Started at 10 this morning and finished about an hour ago.
Finished off the fr gearbox mount which has tidyed the bay up a bit.
Using 3mm steel plate cut a recess into the leg. Boxed it out from the inside and put some brackets in for good measure.
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03530.jpg
made a plate to hold the rubber and fitted with two nuts welded to it.
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03536.jpg
Made a nice plate to fit over the top and make it more conspicious.
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03544.jpg
Seam sealed.
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03551.jpg
Then had a crack at fitting the engine. We messed about trying to locate bits as I have a habbbit of putting things away and losing them. Got the engine and box together. and lifted in.
At 10:30 this evening this was the finished article.
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03553.jpg
Sits nice in the bay
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03554.jpg

Modded mount for better clearence
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03557.jpg
I must say thanks to danny and and andrew for staying all day and helping aswell. Sorry about lack of pics so much to do so little time
Cheers Gareth

[david dixon]

I'm sure i have seen that gearbox mount design before ;)
well done lads.

[Gareth_C]

I'm sure i have seen that gearbox mount design before ;)
well done lads.
Cheers Dave. But I don't think you have ;) lol

[wwmnw]

Good stuff, and my body is still paying for it lol as Danny said, the engine is surprisingly light, lighter than my 1.6 16v.

[Gareth_C]

Maybe we should have weighted it, should we get it back out and check the weight

[Gareth_C]

Maybe we should have weighted it, should we get it back out and check the weight

[Gareth_C]

Maybe we should have weighted it, should we get it back out and check the weight

[Gareth_C]

Maybe we should have weighted it, should we get it back out and check the weight lol :roll:

[wwmnw]

4 times? **** that!

[Gareth_C]

I phone fail

[Benn]

That's Apple stealing your life...lol

[chrisnovaturbo]

Maybe we should have weighted it, should we get it back out and check the weight lol :roll:

would be interesting to see what weight it is :)

[Gareth_C]

I'll talk them into lifting it out

[Danny s-p]

You can go get F**ked if were taken that back out it stay in no matter what lol. And snowndon y your name blue :-)

[wwmnw]

I'll talk them into lifting it out

I'll do it for a home made Sunday's dinner big Yorkshire puds though, seriously lol

Danny, because I'm not a club member at the minute.

[Gareth_C]

I think you need to lay off the yorkie puds fatty

[wwmnw]

I'm actually disappointed you listened to the wife for a change :(lol

[Danny s-p]

you've not updated for bit you going to throe some more pics up

[Gareth_C]

i will do an update and pics at the weekend

[wwmnw]

This thread is long overdue an update. Post if you agree.

[Gareth_C]

Thanks mong. TBF I do need to do an update I have just been too lazy to take pics but I will do it at some piont :roll:.
Got the video's of the engine on the dyno today so here they are as a taster. :thumb:

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http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/vidoes/th_18052011120.jpg (http://s761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/?action=view&current=18052011121.mp4)


[URL=http://s761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/vidoes/?action=view&current=18052011121.mp4]http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/vidoes/th_18052011121.jpg (http://s761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/?action=view&current=18052011120.mp4)

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/vidoes/th_18052011123.jpg (http://s761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/vidoes/?action=view&current=18052011123.mp4)

I will finish the update at some point :cry:
Cheers Gareth

[wwmnw]

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd220/lostboy_014/fap.gif been waiting to see that for ages :D

[John]

oh noes! Crying smiley! What happened?

[Gareth_C]

oh noes! Crying smiley! What happened?

Nothing mate I just cant be arsed taking pics cause im lazy, also I was waiting for the piece to finish the engine side of the build.

The new AP racing clutch and ttv 7.25" flywheel
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03774.jpg
pressure plate
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03775.jpg
one of two friction plates
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03776.jpg
Probably the prettyest way to blow £1k :eek::cry:

[Jonlem]

Nice clutch, I've got the same in the Peugeot and its properly vicious, are you converting to a hydraulic clutch ?

PS Things are moving in the tie bar department, I'll be in touch soon hopefully.

[Gareth_C]

Nice clutch, I've got the same in the Peugeot and its properly vicious, are you converting to a hydraulic clutch ?

PS Things are moving in the tie bar department, I'll be in touch soon hopefully.

At the moment no mate because the pedal box I'm running is cable but if it's cheaper to go that route ( the bearing from hockley from cable is £250) then I'll go the better route.
Is that a threat or a promise on the tie bars :p ;)

[Jonlem]

Yeh I see what you mean, sadly its not a cheap conversion but personally well worth it

As to the question of tie bars, LOL things are progressing, I'll leave it at that ha ha

[Gareth_C]

Yeh I see what you mean, sadly its not a cheap conversion but personally well worth it

As to the question of tie bars, LOL things are progressing, I'll leave it at that ha ha

That £250 is just for the cable type bearing mate I'm going to look at my pedal see if it can be modified lol then take it from there is it hard to convert to hydraulic??

[Jonlem]

You can use the oe centre push if it suits the type of release bearing your clutch now does, I'm sure knocking up a cylinder to mount on the pedal box shouldn't be too much effort.

[Gareth_C]

You can use the oe centre push if it suits the type of release bearing your clutch now does, I'm sure knocking up a cylinder to mount on the pedal box shouldn't be too much effort.

I'll look into it at work all I'm remember is ap said something about a 44mm bearing

[wwmnw]

I could think of prettier things to spend 1K on but that flywheel looks nice, I'll have to take a proper look on Thursday if I don't see it before :thumb:

P.S leave it on the kitchen table, taking it down the garage will probably end up with it being damaged like 90% of the things that get taken down there :(

[Gareth_C]

I could think of prettier things to spend 1K on but that flywheel looks nice, I'll have to take a proper look on Thursday if I don't see it before :thumb:

P.S leave it on the kitchen table, taking it down the garage will probably end up with it being damaged like 90% of the things that get taken down there :(
Well you should watch where your putting those big clod feet of yours x

[BRoadGhost]

Looking bombproof Gareth. I would make the push to hydraulic release though; find an old vectra or similar to beef the top ally bleed union & pipe, maybe the slave cylinder too.

If not buy a new one for about £90, the part number is CSC007 for a QH or Equiv is MSC007 for the C20XE.

When you do get round to doing the pedal box, you want a 0.75 master cylinder. Be careful when bleeding & welding in something to limit the clutch pedal travel as if you let it go too much you will burst the slave cylinder; gearbox off again & another £90... Lee303 & the Topgear boffins that built the green MK2 escort 2L for Clarksons track day fell into this trap.

Best way is to have someone under the car watching it push as you gradually depress the pedal, then when it reaches full travel, mark where the pedal is to weld in some sort of physical stop.

[Gareth_C]

Looking bombproof Gareth. I would make the push to hydraulic release though; find an old vectra or similar to beef the top ally bleed union & pipe, maybe the slave cylinder too.

If not buy a new one for about £90, the part number is CSC007 for a QH or Equiv is MSC007 for the C20XE.

When you do get round to doing the pedal box, you want a 0.75 master cylinder. Be careful when bleeding & welding in something to limit the clutch pedal travel as if you let it go too much you will burst the slave cylinder; gearbox off again & another £90... Lee303 & the Topgear boffins that built the green MK2 escort 2L for Clarksons track day fell into this trap.

Best way is to have someone under the car watching it push as you gradually depress the pedal, then when it reaches full travel, mark where the pedal is to weld in some sort of physical stop.
Cheers mate in theroy that's what I'm trying to achieve, but I know at this level forever is never and everything Is consumable. I'm looking at following the hydraulic route steveboyslim is being kind enough to look into clutch centres etc. But thanks for the info that's a great start for me. Cheers :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

just encase people are having issues with the photobucket links heres the youtube links

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bYeseFI3KM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jmGzDR0Lv0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JIgN20zsXM

[BRoadGhost]

275 BHP from 8,000rpm?

[Jonlem]

275 BHP from 8,000rpm?

Its not 275hp and I also think they probably did rev it slightly harder than that at some point.

The dyno does not lie ;)

[Gareth_C]

275 BHP from 8,000rpm?

It revs to 8300 mate the 275 is looking unlikely on the normal fuel. on the 3rd vid it looks like it hit 261 but im not sure. im realisiticly expecting around 255-260bhp but thats still a good acheivement i think.

[nova_mike]

looking good mate

244bhp and 190ft/lb is very good power! think you will be impressed once you get in it, a lot of people quote more from these engines but anything around the 250bhp is very good and more realistic very impressed with your tourqe figure, what spec cams are in it?

mike

subscribed :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

looking good mate

244bhp and 190ft/lb is very good power! think you will be impressed once you get in it, a lot of people quote more from these engines but anything around the 250bhp is very good and more realistic very impressed with your tourqe figure, what spec cams are in it?

mike

subscribed :thumb:

Hi mike thanks I know what you mean I'm desperate to get it on the road. Realisticly I'm looking to squeeze a bit more power (255-260ish) and maybe 195lb ft torque.
I'm not sure what cams other than there piper steveboyslim fitted them and I have never looked at what is stamped on the side.
Cheers Gareth

[Alex J]

i had 190bhp in my xe on jenveys and that was good enough for me, so that extra bhp will be just the ticket!! i saw all your engine bits in the boot of steves car at the start of the summer!! look foward to the end result.

[Gareth_C]

i had 190bhp in my xe on jenveys and that was good enough for me, so that extra bhp will be just the ticket!! i saw all your engine bits in the boot of steves car at the start of the summer!! look foward to the end result.

Cheers merris, I'm suprised steve found it all again once it went in the tardis boot of his. I dont know which looked better all the shiny bits separate or the engine as it stands now

[Alex J]

Cheers merris, I'm suprised steve found it all again once it went in the tardis boot of his. I dont know which looked better all the shiny bits separate or the engine as it stands now

i loved all the bits just scattered around the peugeot boot and floor, its like a spares shop in there, if ever you broke down i reckon he would have the bit in there somewherelol

[Gareth_C]

Your right there mate

[nova_mike]

Hi mike thanks I know what you mean I'm desperate to get it on the road. Realisticly I'm looking to squeeze a bit more power (255-260ish) and maybe 195lb ft torque.
I'm not sure what cams other than there piper steveboyslim fitted them and I have never looked at what is stamped on the side.
Cheers Gareth

What events will you be using the car for? Any idea of a target date for its first outing? or is it a case of when its ready its ready kind of thing.

Still tho 244bhp in a little car like that is good and will be surprising plus leaves you room to improve if you think you need to in the future.

mike

[Gareth_C]

Cheers mike. It will be out at the start of next year hopefully at the fast show at Santa poD.

[Mincyballs]

Looking good mate! as yours is coming together mine is coming apart :)

Like that clutch and flywheel, thought you was sticking to single plate? if i have the money i might be changing that on mine as well for 5.25" ;)

Im looking forward to seeing at the fast show! i shall be there and hopefully quicker as i got beaten by a pug that pulled a 12.47!

[Gareth_C]

Looking good mate! as yours is coming together mine is coming apart :)

Like that clutch and flywheel, thought you was sticking to single plate? if i have the money i might be changing that on mine as well for 5.25" ;)

Im looking forward to seeing at the fast show! i shall be there and hopefully quicker as i got beaten by a pug that pulled a 12.47!

Cheers mate. Why is yours coming to bits? I bought that setup baecause the price difference wasnt much and the option was dangled in front of me. Why a 5.25"?
Didnt you run a 12.2 at USC???

[Gareth_C]

Well its update time. Me and wwmnw cracked on this morning to trial fit the clutch assembly to get the measurements to figure out which hydraulic bearing is needed.
We started by weighting the old clutch and new clutch assembly. You might be suprised at the weight differences.
Old helix paddle clutch assembly and ttv flywheel
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03833.jpg
new AP clutch and ttv flywheel
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03834.jpg
Flywheel as it sat on the engine
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03835.jpg
clutch assembly as it sits on the crank
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03836.jpg
when we offered the box up and found when the gearbox bolts were nipped up the box fouled the clutch housing
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03837.jpg
Another
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03838.jpg
When speaking to steve we have come to the conclusion that running a alloy spacer between the box and block and power filing and touch of the case should do the trick. I have got loads more to update We just ran out of time to take the pics but ill try and do that while I make a template spacer tomorrow.
Cheers Gareth

[Alex J]

get the grinder out!!!

[Gareth_C]

get the grinder out!!!

As much fun as that would be, it might be a bit harsh

[nova_mike]

Quite a weight saving there, bet your glad you went for that now, good value for weight lost i think!

How much clearance do you need mate? as in how thick is the spacer going to be?

mike

[wwmnw]

Quite a weight saving there, bet your glad you went for that now, good value for weight lost i think!

How much clearance do you need mate? as in how thick is the spacer going to be?

mike

A 3mm spacer has been knocked up which should hopefully be enough.

May have found out if I wasn't in a rush to be home for work.

[Jonlem]

Rick Draper and Gaz'd both had this problem using a twin plate on the fwd gearbox.

Good to see some progress on it

[wwmnw]

Rick Draper and Gaz'd both had this problem using a twin plate on the fwd gearbox.

Good to see some progress on it

Have either of them posted their solutions on mig/vauxsport?

[nova_mike]

A 3mm spacer has been knocked up which should hopefully be enough.

May have found out if I wasn't in a rush to be home for work.

Ah rite hope its enough, how much can you space it out before you have to worry about the spigot shaft not protruding through the centre of the clutch plates? Take it theres a fair wack left.

[wwmnw]

Ah rite hope its enough, how much can you space it out before you have to worry about the spigot shaft not protruding through the centre of the clutch plates? Take it theres a fair wack left.

I'm not sure mate, will have to wait for Gareth to answer that but I don't think there was a lot left. The 3mm spacer should give plenty of room to stop the box fouling the clutch assembly though.

[nova_mike]

I'm not sure mate, will have to wait for Gareth to answer that but I don't think there was a lot left. The 3mm spacer should give plenty of room to stop the box fouling the clutch assembly though.

Ah ok just asked as it looked not far off and wondered.

Have to let me know the outcome and a pic of the spacer as its same setup im upgrading too.

[Gareth_C]

Ah rite hope its enough, how much can you space it out before you have to worry about the spigot shaft not protruding through the centre of the clutch plates? Take it theres a fair wack left.

Hi mike to get a good clearance I need ideally 4mm which means the input shaft splines are apporox 17mm through of the 20mm that the Plate thickness is which is why using the 3mm spacer then just smooth a bit off the bellhousing wall.
Cheers

[Gareth_C]

Rick Draper and Gaz'd both had this problem using a twin plate on the fwd gearbox.

Good to see some progress on it

Cheers bud just glad this might be the light at the end of the tunnel. But as they say what doesn't kill you makes you stronger lol

[lee303]

Hi mike to get a good clearance I need ideally 4mm which means the input shaft splines are apporox 17mm through of the 20mm that the Plate thickness is which is why using the 3mm spacer then just smooth a bit off the bellhousing wall.
Cheers

are you saying the input shaft splines won’t be fully through the clutch plate splines?

[Gareth_C]

are you saying the input shaft splines won’t be fully through the clutch plate splines?

In a nut shellate yes the splines could do with being about 3mm longer but the theroy that the clutch torque ratin is overkill on it so should be ok???

[lee303]

hmm, not really in my eyes
i would not want to be running it with the input shaft not fully engaged with the clutch plates, as the clutch splines will be designed to deliver that torque over the whole width of a clutch plate, so you may find it rounds the end off the shaft, or the clutch plate splines themselves could fail, which is probably the more likely as they are fairly soft in comparison to the input shaft
why do you need a twin plate? as like you say the torque rating is ‘overkill’ a single with a decent spring rate would be plenty imo, and have room in the box

[Gareth_C]

I see where your coming from mate. The only reason the clutch torque rating is way over is because it was either a 200ft lb option or a 310ft lb option iirc. Im using a twin plate alternavtive is because I had issues with my helix clutch and when I asked which clutch app was best they couldnt give me a straight answer with it being for circuits and quarter miles. I have followed guidence from I area rather than all over the place and this seemed to be the best option i chose really.
Cheers

[lee303]

i run a single plate helix 7.25 with a red spring, i only have 160 lb/ft and 230 bhp compared to you but i doubt a single with a slightly heavier spring would struggle, as red is the lightest option iirc, and the whole rotating assembly will be lighter that was too of course

[Gareth_C]

i run a single plate helix 7.25 with a red spring, i only have 160 lb/ft and 230 bhp compared to you but i doubt a single with a slightly heavier spring would struggle, as red is the lightest option iirc, and the whole rotating assembly will be lighter that was too of course

Im not sure what to say mate its a lot of money to lose to change now :cry:

[lee303]

i bet, unless you can sell the twin plate on, i just think its going to cause you more hassle than its worth, even with things like the stroke of the hydraulic slave cylinder

[Gareth_C]

i bet, unless you can sell the twin plate on, i just think its going to cause you more hassle than its worth, even with things like the stroke of the hydraulic slave cylinder

Thats why im letting steve handle that side of it lol

[lee303]

i’d just sell the twin plate and get a single, but its not my car, good luck with it anyway, nearly done!

[Gareth_C]

Cheers bud

[nova_mike]

you may have to consider modifying the engine mount using a spacer too, as it will push the box over in to the wheel housing area, i must say it may be worth just checking the spec of a single plate 7.25" as one it will be lighter still and two if can take the ft/lb wich im sure it will, then it will mean no head scratching, you may even be able to box your's back up and send it back for exchange if you buy the single plate unit from the same company? just a thought.

[Gareth_C]

Cheers mike I think that will have to be done yeah cheers

[Jonlem]

Just done a bit of digging for you, none of which is helpful towards working out IF this clutch will fit but does give a few pointers about both types of clutch/

Twin plate clutches are apparently in a lot of cases lighter than a single plate as the the housings are very heavily machined. Twins are apparently also better for high rpm gear changes and tend to give less shock on the transmission.

ALL read of the internet YO but some valid points tbh.

Most of what I have read is from owners of powerful turbo cars, none of this naturally aspirated slow rubbish lol

[wwmnw]

Most of what I have read is from owners of powerful turbo cars, none of this naturally aspirated slow rubbish lol

Could of sworn you said "ATMO engines ftw" somewhere :p

[MK999]

twin plate will probably be 'lighter' in that the smaller diameter means less inertia, hence why an F1 clutch has about 4 plates and fits in the palm of your hand.

[nova_mike]

Cheers mike I think that will have to be done yeah cheers

Dont get me wrong it might be better to stick with what you have as there maybe a simple solution but is worth having a quick think about all your option's before you go to mad.



twin plate will probably be 'lighter' in that the smaller diameter means less inertia, hence why an F1 clutch has about 4 plates and fits in the palm of your hand.

Yes your correct mate a twin 5.25" would be lighter, dunno why i put a single would be lighter was one of those mind drifting moments lol

[MK999]

Its probably heavier tbh, as it's extra stacked metal to a bigger depth, and twice the components, but lower inertia due to the diameter.

[Gareth_C]

Cheers for the help guy I'll get on the phone to the tech guys at AP this morning and ask some question before it hers more expensive.

[Jonlem]

Could of sworn you said "ATMO engines ftw" somewhere :p

lol

One day I'll have another but it will probably be a V8 ! For now whilst I own one turbo engines are the way forward lol

[Gareth_C]

lol

One day I'll have another but it will probably be a V8 ! For now whilst I own one turbo engines are the way forward lol
Turncoat. You wanna hang with with all the cool kids lol

[Mike]

NAsp is where its at lol

[Jonlem]

Turncoat. You wanna hang with with all the cool kids lol

lol

[nova_stee]

NA novas are like getting a blow job off the wife, 400 bhp let novas are like getting one from her younger sister

[scott.parker]

NA novas are like getting a blow job off the wife, 400 bhp let novas are like getting one from her younger sister

Meaning that the LET is risky an expensive and will end in tears!

[Gareth_C]

Meaning that the LET is risky an expensive and will end in tears!

Lol
TBF though I be the there are modded turbo novas now then high power xe's lol

[steveboyslim]

hmm, not really in my eyes
i would not want to be running it with the input shaft not fully engaged with the clutch plates, as the clutch splines will be designed to deliver that torque over the whole width of a clutch plate, so you may find it rounds the end off the shaft, or the clutch plate splines themselves could fail, which is probably the more likely as they are fairly soft in comparison to the input shaft
why do you need a twin plate? as like you say the torque rating is ‘overkill’ a single with a decent spring rate would be plenty imo, and have room in the box

Single plate was not reccomended by AP's technical department, but a twin plate was.
The input shaft would only be short by 4mm or less, possibly only 2mm if Gareth removes more metal from the gearbox casing (merris style)
AP said it will be ok as each plate has to deal with 100ish ft/lbs of torque.
One of AP's hydraulic round face 54mm slave cylinder and thrust bearing will sort the operation of the clutch.

Steve

[Gareth_C]

Single plate was not reccomended by AP's technical department, but a twin plate was.
The input shaft would only be short by 4mm or less, possibly only 2mm if Gareth removes more metal from the gearbox casing (merris style)
AP said it will be ok as each plate has to deal with 100ish ft/lbs of torque.
One of AP's hydraulic round face 54mm slave cylinder and thrust bearing will sort the operation of the clutch.

Steve

Cheers for the info steve.

[lee303]

Single plate was not reccomended by AP's technical department, but a twin plate was.
The input shaft would only be short by 4mm or less, possibly only 2mm if Gareth removes more metal from the gearbox casing (merris style)
AP said it will be ok as each plate has to deal with 100ish ft/lbs of torque.
One of AP's hydraulic round face 54mm slave cylinder and thrust bearing will sort the operation of the clutch.

Steve

fair enough, surprised a single wasn’t enough though, sound alike the splines would be all the way through the plates anyway at 2mm short

[nova_stee]

ha ha

[Paul]

if you send your gearbox down here, i will get merris to shave the 2mm off with his axe?

[Gareth_C]

if you send your gearbox down here, i will get merris to shave the 2mm off with his axe?

Haha cheers Paul but only if he uses a big axe

[lee303]

ha ha

aimed at me?

[Gareth_C]

aimed at me?

TBF mate I think he means about steve saying merris style

[nova_stee]

No aimed at scott pal

[nova_stee]

.

[Gareth_C]

Well we decided to play nice tonight seeing as there was some sun. We made this alloy spacer to see if it would come out ok.
This was the end result.
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03843.jpg
Not bad really as we knocked it up quickly and came out better than expected
Cheers

[Gareth_C]

I got the spacer trial fitted last night and it seems to be a winner all the holes line up correctly the sits nice and the spacer doesn’t protrude the casing either inside or outside of the box so you cant even tell its there. I did some proper measuring as well seeing as I treated myself to a new vernier (B&Q tape measures aint all they used to be), I found that the input shaft does slide all the way through the collar of the rear clutch plate but only just. and I have a clearance of 0.9mm from the box to the clutch face im going to clean the box face back with the power file a touch more just to get at least 1mm's clearance.
And it leaves 45mm to fit the hydraulic bearing in place just got to do the PCD of the F20's turret mounts to see which bearing is the correct fit.
Cheers Gareth.

[scott.parker]

Lucky sod! though i would want least 2mm clearance, just encase there was for some reason any movement/wobble, not that there should, just i wouldn't want something to move slightly and it end in tears etc..

[Gareth_C]

I know you mean Scott I can probs get that much with a skim off the box lol

[MK999]

Lucky sod! though i would want least 2mm clearance, just encase there was for some reason any movement/wobble, not that there should, just i wouldn't want something to move slightly and it end in tears etc..

If the thrust bearings wear you can get a little movement, not quite 2mm as your bores and bearings would all be mega ****ed, but you do get some lol

[Mincyballs]

Hello mate,

Sorry didnt reply to your pm, just been flat out at work!! Just caught up on your build.... I run a quarter master twin plate clutch and an SBD flywheel! It fit in with no issues first time, admitedly there was a very slight mark on the gearbox but later found a head of a 10mm bolt from a gaurd/cover had been rattling round in there! I have a spare ap 7.25" at home for a RS and that fowls the bolts that hold it to the flywheel! Bad times! Glad to see you got it sorted though! not far off by the look of things!

[Gareth_C]

Hello mate,

Sorry didnt reply to your pm, just been flat out at work!! Just caught up on your build.... I run a quarter master twin plate clutch and an SBD flywheel! It fit in with no issues first time, admitedly there was a very slight mark on the gearbox but later found a head of a 10mm bolt from a gaurd/cover had been rattling round in there! I have a spare ap 7.25" at home for a RS and that fowls the bolts that hold it to the flywheel! Bad times! Glad to see you got it sorted though! not far off by the look of things!

No bother mate. I'm just waiting for the bearing to appear its all good hopefully it will be running and mot'd ready for march. As I'm coming for you at the fast show :p:thumb:

[Mincyballs]

Sweet, hopefully see you there then mate! im saving pennies to get the new bits i want.... going for some internal changes rods pistons and cams so should be ready rougly the same time.

Keep up the posting mate!

[Gareth_C]

Sweet, hopefully see you there then mate! im saving pennies to get the new bits i want.... going for some internal changes rods pistons and cams so should be ready rougly the same time.

Keep up the posting mate!
Nice one mate should be a good laugh get updatin your thread aswell lol

[Gareth_C]

Sweet, hopefully see you there then mate! im saving pennies to get the new bits i want.... going for some internal changes rods pistons and cams so should be ready rougly the same time.

Keep up the posting mate!
Nice one mate should be a good laugh get updatin your thread aswell lol

[nova_mike]

Any updates mate got your gearbag fitted ok in the end?

[Gareth_C]

Any updates mate got your gearbag fitted ok in the end?

Hi mike yeah the gearbox fits fine now mate just waiting for the AP bearing to arrive (it's on back order). As soon as that arrives its full steam ahead mate maybe another 2 Wk ends work then my mate is going freshen the painteork p on the outside.
Cheers Gareth

[Gareth_C]

Hi all thought it was about time that this had an update.

Got the remote oil filter mounted a while ago.
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC04006.jpg
Easy filter change aswell.
I also started with fitting the hydraulic bearing from AP. fresh out the box
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/apbearingfront.jpg

We trial fitted it in the box but it was catching the casing so I have to file some of the casting away
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03999.jpg
Also cause the bearing is for a saab box fitment we could only get one of the holes lined up, so we made a plate from 1.6mm alloy plate.
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC04000.jpg
Fitted in the box
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC04002.jpg
we found the easiest way to fit the two items together first then to fix it to the box, the only real issue that i came across was on one of the bolt holes i could only fit an M5 bolt not M6 :(
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC04003.jpg
We refitted the box and found we have a success. the bearing sits away freely and the clutch doesnt catch
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC04010.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC04012.jpg

I just need to remove the box and tidy the area i have filed down, also make a slight channel cause the bolts that hold the clutch on are close to the casing.
Also get a input shaft seal to suit and it offically hyraulic clutch.

I managed to get my dash down to prey last week aswell so should be back in the new year covered in flock.
also ordered some fibreglass doors to pick up soon :)
and the pilbeam tie bar kit should be ready after xmas then its all go go go.
Thanks for looking. Gareth

[MARTIN KELSON]

Where you getting the Pilbeam tie bat kit from?

[Gareth_C]

Where you getting the Pilbeam tie bat kit from?

Jonelm and his friend make them mate

[MARTIN KELSON]

Aah same ones iam waiting on then :)

[Gareth_C]

Aah same ones iam waiting on then :)

I guess so mate I keep i regular contact with him wont be long now

[BRoadGhost]

Immense

[Gareth_C]

Immense

cheers mate im glad you like it :thumb: i just cant wait till its done

[Jonlem]

Sorry for the delays on the kits guys, I'm seeing him boxing day and with any luck the parts for the kits are being done over the Christmas holiday.

I'll be in touch with you both shortly but have a good Christmas :)

Good update btw Gareth, keep at it

[Gareth_C]

No bother mate and thanks for the comment

[mcgee.m]

Hi there nice nova mate were u get the head done if you don't mind my asking

[Gareth_C]

Hi there nice nova mate were u get the head done if you don't mind my asking

I bout it indirectly from Neil roper.
Cheers

[Jedro]

absolute stunner Gareth. even better in the flesh

[Gareth_C]

absolute stunner Gareth. even better in the flesh

Cheers mate the sooner it's the better

[gaz w]

i seen this car a couple of weeks back the amount of work (and money) thats gone into it is insane, pic's don't do it justice mate,

[Gareth_C]

Cheers gaz

[Gareth_C]

Small update: collecting my fibreglass doors on sat from Chris :thumb:
Mr prey has finished my dash
Cowlings
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i144/prey001/IMAG0114.jpg
Dash
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i144/prey001/IMAG0110.jpg
again
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i144/prey001/IMAG0111.jpg
Glovebox
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i144/prey001/IMAG0112.jpg
I must say a big thanks to Al for getting the dash turned around so quick just need to fit the time in to pick it up :thumb:
a few more gauges and odds and sods have arrived
It will soon be march lol i cant wait
cheers Gareth

[Connor]

That dash will look stunning once its fitted :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

That dash will look stunning once its fitted :thumb:
Thanks mate, can't wait to see it fitted

[Iain]

Saw your dash when I was at Preys last night, looks spot on in person Gareth! That blue is gonna be proper bright lol

[Gareth_C]

Lol cheers Iain that's what I was after just to break the dark up

[Andy]

very nice

[Gareth_C]

Cheers andy

[Jedro]

smart as a the queens fart mate. cheers for tugging on my pipe today darling

[Gareth_C]

smart as a the queens fart mate. cheers for tugging on my pipe today darling

Cheers mate as Dorothy is there to pull my pipe next time lol

[Jedro]

more like pull her hip out hahha, i wasn't actually joking about that

[Gareth_C]

more like pull her hip out hahha, i wasn't actually joking about that

Come off it she might have just been doing zumba lessons lol

[Jedro]

hahaha fpmsl. with her best lippy on

im not sh**ting you, everyday, the day after hes been, you see her bedsheets and her best stockings hanging on the washing line that you kept hanging yourself on today

[Mieran]

this Dorothy sounds naughty, i'd give her one like

[Gareth_C]

this Dorothy sounds naughty, i'd give her one like
You would like mate she's petite blonde and in her 70's lol

[Graeme]

Proper Gilf?

[Jedro]

bahhahaha, wait to you see her daughter....



....and her daughter lmao

[Jedro]

this Dorothy sounds naughty, i'd give her one like


bet you'd like to bash the granny out of her wouldn't ya


sorry for clogging up ya thread gareth, sure you could spare a page or two ya beast haha

[Gareth_C]

Lol Jed I think we need a BBQ at yours and invite them both lol. 4's up like in the love pond

[Jedro]

hahaha air lock innit.
once the sun starts shining again il get the gas bbq out and get everyone round. we'll have a sizing up competition. bet dannys got a maggots eyelash. love you danny

[Gareth_C]

hahaha air lock innit.
once the sun starts shining again il get the gas bbq out and get everyone round. we'll have a sizing up competition. bet dannys got a maggots eyelash. love you danny

Too far dick too far lol

[Jedro]

hahaha lol lol

[Gareth_C]

Hi all a bit more of a update today. me and wwmnw have been on yet another road trip lol. First we called at Chris's to pick up a set of fibreglass doors (cant beleive how light they are).
Front
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC04039.jpg
Rear
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC04040.jpg
Then it was off to prey's where we met Iain and collected my freshly flocked dash. I must say the overal finish is amazing so i couldnt resist building it up.
front
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC04037.jpg
plastics
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC04036.jpg
top
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC04038.jpg
Amazed at how well the vents look in the dash.
Cheers

[Southie]

Dash looks well, I saw your doors being made ;) Wish I'd of know you were nearby I'd have called up to Chris's for a Chinwag.

[Iain]

Been fitting mine this afternoon too lol Nice to meet you and wwmw.

Blue looks awesome, loads better than I thought it would! You got the panel that houses the fag lighter too?

[Gareth_C]

Been fitting mine this afternoon too lol Nice to meet you and wwmw.

Blue looks awesome, loads better than I thought it would! You got the panel that houses the fag lighter too?
No that's too much weight mate.

[Gareth_C]

Dash looks well, I saw your doors being made ;) Wish I'd of know you were nearby I'd have called up to Chris's for a Chinwag.
Cheers southie, maybe next time.

[Danny s-p]

looking good how the doors mount and the dash look nice with the little vented bits at the back in blue

[Gareth_C]

looking good how the doors mount and the dash look nice with the little vented bits at the back in blue
Cheers Danny, I'll show you when the doors are mounted lol

[Jedro]

fibreglass doors, you slaaaaaag. stunning bud

[wwmnw]

The dash is fan****ingtastic (shame on you for copying by black/blue colour theme though Gareth :p lol) each door feels as heavy as a 500ml bottle of coke :| madness.

Iain, was nice to meet you and Al and also Chris, starting to put faces to names which is good :thumb: