My XE nova on throttle bodies (Project 275+bhp)

[krypton]

Nice build hope the engine makes the power you want in the end.

could have bought a nice jre for 9.5 k thats advertised on motorsport-sales. may have saved you a lot of hassel

[Danny s-p]

[quote=krypton]Nice build hope the engine makes the power you want in the end.

could have bought a nice jre for 9.5 k thats advertised on motorsport-sales. may have saved you a lot of hassel[/quote first post welcome to the form

[Gareth_C]

Nice build hope the engine makes the power you want in the end.

could have bought a nice jre for 9.5 k thats advertised on motorsport-sales. may have saved you a lot of hassel

cheers Krypton. in hind site it may have been better but thats not as much fun lol

[krypton]

Yeah far More fun least then you can say its all your own work

[Gareth_C]

Yeah far More fun least then you can say its all your own work

yeah I know mate welcome to the site btw :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

As it happens I have a coscast head with + 2.0mm inlet and exhaust REC valves, piper double springs, steel retainers, arrow solid lifters, bronze guides, full ported (inlet and exhaust ports port bored) by roper developments piper cams, full built read to fit, £2600.

Steve

you still got that head steve :thumb:

[Jonlem]

Yes he has. well unless he sold it today lol

PM'd

[Gareth_C]

Yes he has. well unless he sold it today lol

PM'd

I have PM'D him about it but wasnt sure if he was on at all

[david dixon]

yes he does still have it mate!

[BongMong]

Plus bearings, machining, ancilieries, ARP's etc so because My build will be nearer £8k By right pub figures this means my enigne is better than your mates cause it costs more :thumb:


My dad is harder than your dad

Ha Haaa comical.. love it

Nice build mate... :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

cheers mate

[Gareth_C]

Well a little to report I started to finish off the cage its pretty much in ow just need to finish the door bars and its complete. started the weight saving. matrix gone dash gone and ally panel was started would of go tmy OBP pedal box mounted to if the courier behind on deliverys.
will get some pics at the weeked of it

[BIGS]

this looks like a good build. But a few things i would look at before you go spending lots of cash. Look on my project page there is alot of very good info from guys on here. Listen to will f, jonlem burgo and a few others. As said im going to use a f28 on my c22xe but just untill i can afford a better box. It wont handle big revs. The torque will be fine just the revs will kill it! And get slipper pistons if your ever going to get over 250bhp. What size have the bore's been machined to?

[Gareth_C]

this looks like a good build. But a few things i would look at before you go spending lots of cash. Look on my project page there is alot of very good info from guys on here. Listen to will f, jonlem burgo and a few others. As said im going to use a f28 on my c22xe but just untill i can afford a better box. It wont handle big revs. The torque will be fine just the revs will kill it! And get slipper pistons if your ever going to get over 250bhp. What size have the bore's been machined to?

Cheers Bigs. Im equiring about some slipper pistons with me looking at a +2mm head which needs slipper's. Im using a f28 due to the fact I was smashing F20's every other week. I may look into a stronger box at a later date.

[BIGS]

good to here your going to get slippers. And dont get me wrong a f28 will be more then fine for the moment. Hense why im using it. You just wont be able to use high revs with it. And i dont know what shafts your using now but id recomend fitting equal length shafts. Will make a big diffrence!

[Gareth_C]

good to here your going to get slippers. And dont get me wrong a f28 will be more then fine for the moment. Hense why im using it. You just wont be able to use high revs with it. And i dont know what shafts your using now but id recomend fitting equal length shafts. Will make a big diffrence!

Already have them Mate was supplied with them from my good friend at griffin autosport. the handling is pretty much spot on I havent spared any expense on it there :thumb:

[philip]

need new rods too if go slippers, have to use a longer rod

[Gareth_C]

need new rods too if go slippers, have to use a longer rod

Cheers Philip the ones im looking at come as a complete kit anyway (rods pistons rings pins etc)

[philip]

where are they from matey? should be a much better matched build now:D

[corsapowerr]

awesome project buddy car is beast :)

[Gareth_C]

where are they from matey? should be a much better matched build now:D

Not sure yet a friend of mine trying source a good price on a cosworth piston and rod :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

awesome project buddy car is beast :)

Cheers mate im crap at the pics it looks sounds and goes better than potrayed in the pics. :thumb:

[Danny s-p]

Cheers mate im crap at the pics it looks sounds and goes better than potrayed in the pics. :thumb:that because u only have a few up get them all on

[Gareth_C]

that because u only have a few up get them all on

Ok mate well stop drive around in your Fix It Again Tomorrow and get them up pics for me lol :p

[Gareth_C]

A few progress pics:

The wings before:
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02875.jpg

After:
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02874.jpg

The rollcage and lightened interior:
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02881.jpg

the new ali gauge pod (Now decided too big):
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02884.jpg

And my new addition a OBP pedal box:
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02885.jpg

[Gareth_C]

And a stack dash bought from Spainishfly:
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02880.jpg

[david dixon]

looking good mate....but whats the blue bonnet for??

[Gareth_C]

looking good mate....but whats the blue bonnet for??

Lol It was outside when it was snowing while painting the fibreglass alt. And it has just stayed for now. Ill be getting the fibre glass one lined up once the other wing is on and cutting the areo catch holes etc. Im off from wed this week so ill be in there maybe fri and sat so should get the cage welding finished the loom tidied up and star on the panels :thumb:

[david dixon]

Sounds good, it'll be sorted in no time mate.... next season will soon be here!

[Gareth_C]

Sounds good, it'll be sorted in no time mate.... next season will soon be here!

I know mate approx 4months and after all this blood, sweat and pounds notes doesnt get it down to at 0-60 4secs and a 12.5 or less im the cooks matches are coming out lol lol :p

[david dixon]

ha ha, well its .5 you have to knock off but on the right day it might just see it!

[wwmnw]

Ahh the pedal box finally arrived, them wings are fan ****ing tastic! :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

ha ha, well its .5 you have to knock off but on the right day it might just see it!

It should do it like with a good map :thumb:

[david dixon]

It should do it like with a good map :thumb:

RSTuning FTW :thumb:

[Jonlem]

Surely you would want a rev counter than goes to 9k ?

Some more nice bits coming along now though

[Gareth_C]

Surely you would want a rev counter than goes to 9k ?

Some more nice bits coming along now though

TBH mate I dont really pay attention to the clocks as much as should I use the shift light to change up and concentrate on the road :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

RSTuning FTW :thumb:

It will be mate it will be may have to borrow your trailer though encase it needs to be left ;) ;)

[Jonlem]

TBH mate I dont really pay attention to the clocks as much as should I use the shift light to change up and concentrate on the road :thumb:

Cool :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

Cool :thumb:

Cheers mate

[aaronc190]

what do people mean by solid cams??

[david dixon]

cams that run non hydrolic lifters (solids)

David.

[LEWI007]

Any photos on how you pulled the wings out ? (wide arch)

[philip]

solids tend to have a lighter bucket and a shim sat on the valve stem....a must for high revving cars and for wild cams.

[david dixon]

Any photos on how you pulled the wings out ? (wide arch)

They were made from metal not pulled.

David.

[wwmnw]

Speaking of the wings, I've got a few pics for Gareth to add.

[Gareth_C]

Any photos on how you pulled the wings out ? (wide arch)

Ill get the pics added that andy has mate:thumb:

[aaronc190]

i no about solid lifters just didnt know why they call them solid cams??

[david dixon]

just a shorter way of putting it really.

David.

[philip]

solid profile cams have different ramp angles, their ground different to hydraulic cams

[aaronc190]

ah thats the answer i was looking for..why are they made diff??

[Stuart]

with a solid lifter you can be much more agressive with the ramp angles (meaning wider duration without needing to go for mental life), whereas a hydraulic lifter needs a fairly subtle ramp angle otherwise you can start to push the oil out etc
And a whole host of other issues like a hydraulic lifter jacking up with high revs (high oil pressure) leaving the valve open all the time

[wwmnw]

Ill get the pics added that andy has mate:thumb:

:mad:

[aaronc190]

with a solid lifter you can be much more agressive with the ramp angles (meaning wider duration without needing to go for mental life), whereas a hydraulic lifter needs a fairly subtle ramp angle otherwise you can start to push the oil out etc
And a whole host of other issues like a hydraulic lifter jacking up with high revs (high oil pressure) leaving the valve open all the time

i meant the cams not lifters. i understand about the lifters just wondering why cams are ground different?

[Stuart]

READ what I posted ffs....

The profile/revs/lifters all go hand in hand.

[aaronc190]

ye but sure that doesnt give a proper answer philip said their ground different to hydraulic cams..im asking what does he mean by this? like is the machine using a different technique or what?

[Jonlem]

Can't you read ?

They ARE ground different in terms of ramp angles etc..

I'm not that technical when it comes to camshafts but I can make sense of what Stuart is saying

[MattBrown]

READ what I posted ffs....

The profile/revs/lifters all go hand in hand.

O reli, I didnt read this 4 times on the last pagelol lol lol lol lol

[aaronc190]

Can't you read ?

They ARE ground different in terms of ramp angles etc..

I'm not that technical when it comes to camshafts but I can make sense of what Stuart is saying

course i can ****ing read but the way he puts his words are ****e at least i understand you and you give a bit more detail

[Stuart]

pick up your toys and I'll buy you a pint next time I'm over at Silverstone :p

No the grinding process (ie taking metal off the cam blanks) isnt any different.
The shape of the egg is different. Sometimes its not obvious as cams are incredibly complicated devices... There are entire books/engineering divisions for them etc.

[db_1.2]

Lol......... egg!

[Jonlem]

Lol......... egg!

You want egg ?

[db_1.2]

Lol an easter egg? Yeh why not

But no, i was refurring to Stuarts termonology, seems unusual that he would call a cam lobe an ''egg'' when usually he uses precise words to describe generally boring stuff inside a computer. Must be this cold weather on his bonce!

[Stuart]

how else would you describe it for 'someone' to understand who cant cope with big words/technical descriptions lol

[db_1.2]

Lol that is true! Just love the relation between a conversation about camshaft drivetrain and an egg! Its made my day.

So much so, im gonna give you rep!

EDIT - Check your rep Stuart lol

[pikey1986]

im a simpleton (read mechanically retarded lol) and understood what stuart said

[db_1.2]

So if the eggs on the 2 sticks underneath the cover are round it'll go like f*ck? lol

[aaronc190]

pick up your toys and I'll buy you a pint next time I'm over at Silverstone :p

No the grinding process (ie taking metal off the cam blanks) isnt any different.
The shape of the egg is different. Sometimes its not obvious as cams are incredibly complicated devices... There are entire books/engineering divisions for them etc.

No the grinding process (ie taking metal off the cam blanks) isnt any different

thats all u had to say

[Stuart]

All YOU have to do is stop text typing ;)

[Gareth_C]

As promised the pics of the wings fitted.

drivers side
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/SDC10798.jpg
Passenger side
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/SDC10800.jpg
this is how wide they are
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/SDC10801.jpg

they have been made by fully re flaring the arch so its a metal arch but wider for the front tyres. :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

Oh and santa has brought me a new alcantara steering wheel will upload pics.

And have just paid a deposit on a +2mm big valve coscast head fully ported and polished so should help it some :thumb:

[merv beckett]

looking good m8

[AlanH]

niiice! head should help a lot. any idea on how the wings were done exactly? need a bit extra space on the front of mine as im contemplating putting 205 profile tyres on the front of my new azev a's for a bit extra traction

[Gareth_C]

niiice! head should help a lot. any idea on how the wings were done exactly? need a bit extra space on the front of mine as im contemplating putting 205 profile tyres on the front of my new azev a's for a bit extra traction

Im not 100% mate I got a friend who owns a body shop to make them for me I just told him the size increase required and a couple of pairs of wings and I got them back :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

Well I thought Id give a bit of an update. I have now decided the dash is being reinstated. Also I have been doing some shopping and been updating the toys to help it along it way.

The steering wheel santa brought me:
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02918.jpg
I bought a flocking kit so a practice run:
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02917.jpg
The rest of the dash will be black let me know what you think lol
And the shiny bits.
New arp rod bolts:
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02924.jpg
My new Cosworth slipper pistons:
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02920.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02922.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02930.jpg

With PEC h section steel rods:
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02923.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02925.jpg

Just waiting fo the ACL big end bearings and the heated windscreen now both on order.

[Danny s-p]

pistons look nice

[gte-87]

nice were you get your flocking kit from?????????????????

[Gareth_C]

nice were you get your flocking kit from?????????????????

A company called frosts mate

[wwmnw]

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02917.jpg

What the F.U.C.K were you smoking when you decided to do that?!?!

Thought you said you weren't getting slipper pistons as it meant stepping down from 88mm to 87 which meant a new block (obviously).

Edit: Them pistons look dirty for new ones too :confused:

[Gareth_C]

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02917.jpg

What the F.U.C.K were you smoking when you decided to do that?!?!

Thought you said you weren't getting slipper pistons as it meant stepping down from 88mm to 87 which meant a new block (obviously).

Edit: Them pistons look dirty for new ones too :confused:

Whats wrong with it like I think it looks ok adds a bit colour to the car and It beats have having a GSI rear bench with red SRI front seats.

how are they dirty there just covered in finger prints and are 88mm lol

[wwmnw]

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd220/lostboy_014/no.gif hark at you Mr.I must pick up on the faults of everyone else car.

You said no to my suggestions of having certain colours on your car because "it wouldn't fit because that colour isn't used anywhere else" that is going to look proper crap mated to a flocked black dash and the only other blue is your hoses.

Feel free to take some constructive criticism without throwing your toys out the pram, you big girl http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd220/lostboy_014/no.gif

[david dixon]

his steering wheel has blue on it!

David.

[db_1.2]

I like the blue flocking. I think the blue will look good too. I was looking through a propper old mag the other day, when they used to colour code odd bits and pieces. Didnt actually look too bad, untill everything started to get colour coded.

Was it easy to do?

[Gareth_C]

I like the blue flocking. I think the blue will look good too. I was looking through a propper old mag the other day, when they used to colour code odd bits and pieces. Didnt actually look too bad, untill everything started to get colour coded.

Was it easy to do?

Cheers mate. It's not hard as such the problem o have found if you use a brush to spread the adhesive you get slight lines in the flock but as a first attempt it's come out ok I'm going to spend a lot more time on the dash though

[db_1.2]

Cheers mate. It's not hard as such the problem o have found if you use a brush to spread the adhesive you get slight lines in the flock but as a first attempt it's come out ok I'm going to spend a lot more time on the dash though

Cool, might have a go someday.

You get my thumbs up anyway. Did you say you were using a GSI dash and leaving it standard?

[Gareth_C]

Cool, might have a go someday.

You get my thumbs up anyway. Did you say you were using a GSI dash and leaving it standard?
Im using a standard dash but I'm flocking it in black mate

[db_1.2]

Sweeet.

[Mincyballs]

Just read the entire thread looks good mate, cant wait to see it go! whhat management you running on it?

[Gareth_C]

Just read the entire thread looks good mate, cant wait to see it go! whhat management you running on it?

Its hooked up to a DTA S40 mate running a QED loom :thumb:

[Mincyballs]

Nice, never really had any experience with it but heard some good things. Im lookingg forward to seeing it at the strip! ill come do a run with you :)

[Gareth_C]

Nice, never really had any experience with it but heard some good things. Im lookingg forward to seeing it at the strip! ill come do a run with you :)

It seems to be a good setup the thing I told that was good was you can change things running the car on the roller which means nowt to me but the previous mappers were happy with it.
Lol ill bring it to pvs mate im def coming this year you will just have to try and keep up :roll: lol lol

[AlanH]

why the change of rods? werent you already running h-beam? like the look of the flock, i've used a frosts kit and found the same issue with brushing the adhesive, what about using a sponge instead?

[Gareth_C]

why the change of rods? werent you already running h-beam? like the look of the flock, i've used a frosts kit and found the same issue with brushing the adhesive, what about using a sponge instead?

Because with slipper pistons mate the rods are 151mm long compared to standard at 143mm.

I think the issue with the glue may have been not enough on but ill try the sponge idea whe i do the dash and let you know :thumb:

[Dayle_]

You won't go far wrong with a DTA S40 and loom mate. I've just aquired one.

[Gareth_C]

You won't go far wrong with a DTA S40 and loom mate. I've just aquired one.

Its doing ok so far mate lol :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

Had a bit more of a play about with flock today
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02935.jpg

Just got the light switch surround to do then the dash

[david dixon]

Love it!

[Gareth_C]

Love it!

Cheers Dave should add a bit of colour to the interior

[Danb1987]

Flocking looks tops mate! How much has the flocking cost you upto yet?

A full dash in blue is £71 throughout January :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

Flocking looks tops mate! How much has the flocking cost you upto yet?

A full dash in blue is £71 throughout January :thumb:

where was that from mate
For the blue was a single kit at £17 plus P+P
and to do the dash in black (which I havent done yet) has cost £27 plus P+P

[wwmnw]

That looked sooooo much better with me in the picture :(

[Danny s-p]

Look flocking good that dose

[Gareth_C]

That flocking looks good that does

edited for truths :thumb:

[wwmnw]

edited for truths :thumb:

For once, I actually see the joke Danny put in there and you missed it (and it was pretty good) lol

[Danb1987]

where was that from mate
For the blue was a single kit at £17 plus P+P
and to do the dash in black (which I havent done yet) has cost £27 plus P+P
I got a quote from flockright for a full mk1 dash...

It's extra for postage, that was a drop off pick up price.

[Gareth_C]

For once, I actually see the joke Danny put in there and you missed it (and it was pretty good) lol

You can never tell with dodgy spelling lol

[Gareth_C]

I got a quote from flockright for a full mk1 dash...

It's extra for postage, that was a drop off pick up price.

I asked a company in suffolk was quoted 120 plus vat and postage

[AlanH]

Because with slipper pistons mate the rods are 151mm long compared to standard at 143mm.

I think the issue with the glue may have been not enough on but ill try the sponge idea whe i do the dash and let you know :thumb:
hmm, so you will have spare h beam rods? let me know if you fancy offloading these, may be interested for my LET, got some big plans for it next winter :d

[Gareth_C]

hmm, so you will have spare h beam rods? let me know if you fancy offloading these, may be interested for my LET, got some big plans for it next winter :d

There actually for sale on ebay with my pot pistons but its looking like there not gonna sell :cry:

[Gareth_C]

Well I got a few tasks done today. Removed the head as i have sold it to replace it with the new head I have bought. Tidied the wires going between the engine and inside the car to keep them off show. Did a bit more of the rollcage, doors bars fit just need painting gonna finish off seam sealing the plates then its done. Also I have a crack at flocking a spare dash I found in the shed. Seem to have come out ok but will tell when I remove the excess tomorrow :thumb:

Before:
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02932.jpg
After:
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02936.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02939.jpg

Cheers Gareth :thumb:

[wwmnw]

Also I have a crack at flocking a spare dash I found in the shed.


Ahem? Spare dash you commandeered off me lol Pikey git lol

[Gareth_C]

Ahem? Spare dash you commandeered off me lol Pikey git lol

Erm did I or did I not find it in my shed lol

[AlanH]

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02936.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02939.jpg


looks good that, why you not using it?

[Mincyballs]

It seems to be a good setup the thing I told that was good was you can change things running the car on the roller which means nowt to me but the previous mappers were happy with it.
Lol ill bring it to pvs mate im def coming this year you will just have to try and keep up :roll: lol lol

With this build it looks like im behind!

[Gareth_C]

looks good that, why you not using it?

I might mate i was concerned that one the fixing bolts were missing but it might be ok yet :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

With this build it looks like im behind!

We will se mate lol im hoping for between 250/260 bhp on a dyno dynamics R road which should be quick enough ;)

[wwmnw]

With this build it looks like im behind!

You may have a chance, Gareth is carrying too much weight.

[Gareth_C]

You may have a chance, Gareth is carrying too much weight.

your just jelous because im still 2 stone lighter and taller than you :p

[wwmnw]

your just jelous because im still 2 stone lighter and taller than you :p

I think you meant half a stone fatty.

Get some recent pics up.

[Mincyballs]

We will se mate lol im hoping for between 250/260 bhp on a dyno dynamics R road which should be quick enough ;)

Got to put that power down first! but its more than than what im running so it should be interesting :d

[Mincyballs]

I think you meant half a stone fatty.

Get some recent pics up.

lol

[Gareth_C]

I think you meant half a stone fatty.

Get some recent pics up.

Sorry were we only talking about how much each one of your chins weight lol

[Gareth_C]

Got to put that power down first! but its more than than what im running so it should be interesting :d

I havent had many problems so far I can hit 2 to 2.1 to 60ft so its not that bad and im running a diff equal length shaft etc so it seem to grip ok :d

[Mincyballs]

I havent had many problems so far I can hit 2 to 2.1 to 60ft so its not that bad and im running a diff equal length shaft etc so it seem to grip ok :d

Thats the same 60fts I have now, have hit 1.9 but only on a good track :thumb: but I dont have a half shaft, didnt know where to get the shaft from, i have the half that bolts to the engine from a calibra but thought i would need a conversion shaft?

Who's doing the head you have put a dippy on? I got a spare coscast and might go for the 2mm and then flog the 1mm complete with everything ready to go.

[Gareth_C]

Thats the same 60fts I have now, have hit 1.9 but only on a good track :thumb: but I dont have a half shaft, didnt know where to get the shaft from, i have the half that bolts to the engine from a calibra but thought i would need a conversion shaft?

Who's doing the head you have put a dippy on? I got a spare coscast and might go for the 2mm and then flog the 1mm complete with everything ready to go.

If you speak to Dave dixon (griffin autosport) on here, He can get the half shaft that you need to go from the calibra half to the hub.
Thats who mine from and there spot on fit and does help.

I am getting the head from steve off here. I would look at the costing for the 2mm head as the valve seats have to be changed which is about £800 iirc just for that, and im only going for this head as it was already made and affered at a price I couldnt knock back:thumb:

You have a pm aswell

[Gareth_C]

Decided to spend the day on the car instead of at work lol.
Got the wiring all tidied up and started soldering in the wires for the vx220 clocks.

Picked up my new exhaust manifold from GDN16v cheers should release a bit more power. Ordered my 20ltr interal fuel tank and started to make a shopping list of 3" exhaust bits I need to finish the system

Still to order:
Swirl pot
Braided fuel hose
fittings for tanks
Facet pump for swirl pot
and upgrade the standard inline pump.
havent decided wheather to run the brake lines inside the car or on the underneath.

Will put pics up tomorrow. :thumb:

[Jonlem]

Sounds good, a bit more progress :)

[david dixon]

crack on mate.

[Gareth_C]

well took the old pistons out today found no issuses with the crank
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02961.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02958.jpg
removed the old exhaust as well.
Built up the new pistons & rods
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02963.jpg

[Gareth_C]

The postman has delivered more parts today
A 1.5ltr Swirl pot
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02982.jpg
I was having problems getting the orginal pedal box to fit so the kind guys at OBP exchanged it for a floor mounted one instead.
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02984.jpg

Still waiting for the fuel tank to be delivered, some assembly lube for the bearings aswell

[Gareth_C]

Postman delivered me some more goodies today

Some engine lube for the bearings
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02992.jpg

And the alloy 20ltr tank I have been waiting for
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02994.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC02995.jpg

Still to get is the two fuel pumps and the fuel lines.

[BRoadGhost]

You'll be filling that tank more often than you'd like with such power Gareth.

[Gareth_C]

You'll be filling that tank more often than you'd like with such power Gareth.
As long as it gets me to York approximate 80 miles I'll be happy

[BRoadGhost]

All depends on how you drive it, but what I will say is you might find it a little depressing having to fill almost all of it up every trip.

If you're like me you'll want a bit of excitement along the way & that could well turn out to be the splinter in the build.

[Gareth_C]

All depends on how you drive it, but what I will say is you might find it a little depressing having to fill almost all of it up every trip.

If you're like me you'll want a bit of excitement along the way & that could well turn out to be the splinter in the build.
It's always th way back the fun is lol

[david dixon]

great stuff mate

[t45_ste]

Only hust seen this project. Nice build with some nice parts. Keep it up. :)

[Gareth_C]

cheers guys

[Gareth_C]

Well I got a bit more done with wwmnw.

Started by honing the bores
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03003.jpg
then checking to make sure the tolerences were as spec'ed
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03002.jpg
using ACL bearings again with engine lube
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03004.jpg
the finished product for the morning
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03009.jpg

Next weekend hopefully get the inside provisionally finished and the back axle built up before the car goes on the back burner for a bit

[Danny s-p]

coud cleaned the block before you start putting it to gather u lazy man

[Gareth_C]

coud cleaned the block before you start putting it to gather u lazy man

there is plenty of time for that lol. Anway isnt that what you were suposed to do instead of wossing out :p

[db_1.2]

Good to see steady progress, and you've got some nice bit of kit.

I thought the bores after honing are supposed to be more of a criss cross, rather than circular markings. But im far from an expert :)

[Gareth_C]

Good to see steady progress, and you've got some nice bit of kit.

I thought the bores after honing are supposed to be more of a criss cross, rather than circular markings. But im far from an expert :)

Cheers mate. I was using a clark glaze breaker I know you normally get the criss cross arkings when it comes back from a engineering shop :confused: . I did it like that just to clean them up a bit and for the slighy wider bore (0.07mm) :thumb:

[philip]

need criss cross or rings wont bed in.

btw matey was itr you selling the wossners on the bay last week? did they sell?

[Jonlem]

Your one brave man ! I'd of been having the block out and given that a proper going over before putting it together ! especially with the crank you have sitting in it.

Either way good to see some more progress

[db_1.2]

Cheers mate. I was using a clark glaze breaker I know you normally get the criss cross arkings when it comes back from a engineering shop :confused: . I did it like that just to clean them up a bit and for the slighy wider bore (0.07mm) :thumb:

It's all down to the technique when honing. Must move upwards and downwards inside the bore. Only going from what I've seen.

What's the spec on the crank? And what's going to be your final capacity with the oversize bore? Looking forward to seeing the end product.

[Gareth_C]

need criss cross or rings wont bed in.

btw matey was itr you selling the wossners on the bay last week? did they sell?

Hi mate yes it was me selling them the pistons went for a total of £320 and still have the rods

[Gareth_C]

Your one brave man ! I'd of been having the block out and given that a proper going over before putting it together ! especially with the crank you have sitting in it.

Either way good to see some more progress

You have to be when playing with high end engines and money like this lol .
I think we have discussed this whats wrong with the crank. If I had have lied and said it was a farndon crank because it looks the same as Mincyballs would there be an issue :p

[Gareth_C]

It's all down to the technique when honing. Must move upwards and downwards inside the bore. Only going from what I've seen.

What's the spec on the crank? And what's going to be your final capacity with the oversize bore? Looking forward to seeing the end product.

The crank is a forged steel crank from autosprint, and because its not brand named peole are unsure of his parts but I know of at least 3 people who use his stuff and are running fast cars.
The final capacity should be a 2092cc mate and ill look into the honing

[scott.parker]

MOST of Oli DHdev's parts/work was by him and his car saw 196bhp from a c16xe on tb's.

My mates had a lightened fly off him and its bang on, i think hes from the old school and does things that work well not look fancy etc..

Scott

[deanwilko]

just read from page 1, i have a autosprint crank in my xe and know of 5 other people aswell never had a problem with any. alot of so called big tuning companies use his parts/services and put there stamp on and doudle the price.

[Gareth_C]

Cheers for the input guys

[Jonlem]

MOST of Oli DHdev's parts/work was by him and his car saw 196bhp from a c16xe on tb's.

My mates had a lightened fly off him and its bang on, i think hes from the old school and does things that work well not look fancy etc..

Scott

JNC cough JNC

[Gareth_C]

JNC cough JNC

im being thick here (lol ) but what

[Jonlem]

The crank is a forged steel crank from autosprint, and because its not brand named peole are unsure of his parts but I know of at least 3 people who use his stuff and are running fast cars.
The final capacity should be a 2092cc mate and ill look into the honing

If it was me I just wouldn't be building such a high spec engine without having the engine to bits on a stand so I know everything, galleries included are all cleaned out, something you can't do with it in situ.

Not a fan of the cranks but then if it works ok for you then you can't complain, it wouldn't be on my spec sheet but thats why I chose not to use a xe for my own car a few years back.

[Jonlem]

im being thick here (lol ) but what

I believe it was rolling roaded at JNC which to be fair you may as well just pluck some numbers out of thin air !

I don't disbelieve it was powerful but I think the power figure was slightly optimistic.

Thats besides the point anyway, from what I have seen Olly did do a fair bit of work by himself and turned out a great, if not a big ugly nova track car !

[Gareth_C]

If it was me I just wouldn't be building such a high spec engine without having the engine to bits on a stand so I know everything, galleries included are all cleaned out, something you can't do with it in situ.

Not a fan of the cranks but then if it works ok for you then you can't complain, it wouldn't be on my spec sheet but thats why I chose not to use a xe for my own car a few years back.

TBh mate I see where your coming from but the only reason the engine is in bits and the pistons replaced were on other peoples suggestions. when I drained the oil out I did through a filter I would use for work and will catch ridiculously small fm and it was clear so I have no reason to pull it to bits for the sake of a piston change. Unless anybody would have any other reason to do it. :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

I believe it was rolling roaded at JNC which to be fair you may as well just pluck some numbers out of thin air !

I don't disbelieve it was powerful but I think the power figure was slightly optimistic.

Thats besides the point anyway, from what I have seen Olly did do a fair bit of work by himself and turned out a great, if not a big ugly nova track car !

That one thing I can be sure of Rs is tuning mine this year so I know the power figure will be pretty much bang on :thumb:

[Jonlem]

I think its the fact you honed it in situ I wouldn't be overly happy with but its your engine, not mine lol

Looks good though mate, certainly got a few quid in it.

[Gareth_C]

I think its the fact you honed it in situ I wouldn't be overly happy with but its your engine, not mine lol

Looks good though mate, certainly got a few quid in it.

Cheers mate

[db_1.2]

Cheers for the input guys

We're here to help, although I myself have little to offer.

I think what Jonlem is trying to get at Gareth, is we don't want to see all your money and time invested in your pride and joy, and it go pop. Especially when it does have such potential. Not many people have the opportunity to do what you've done. So please make the most of it and do the best you can:thumb:

[Gareth_C]

We're here to help, although I myself have little to offer.

I think what Jonlem is trying to get at Gareth, is we don't want to see all your money and time invested in your pride and joy, and it go pop. Especially when it does have such potential. Not many people have the opportunity to do what you've done. So please make the most of it and do the best you can:thumb:

Cheers guys believe it not I know how it feels to blow and engine it up I did it twice at a cost of 5k :cry:
So im over carefull this time :thumb:

[db_1.2]

Lol too much money Gareth! You taking it to any track days once it's complete?

[Gareth_C]

Lol too much money Gareth! You taking it to any track days once it's complete?

Yeah mate I WILL be at pvs this year after missing it the last few year ill be at york raceway most of there meets and hopefgully ill get it back into TOTB again

[db_1.2]

Cool, I might come to a Vaux event this year, now I don't own one! Hopefully meet a few people off here

[Gareth_C]

Cool, I might come to a Vaux event this year, now I don't own one! Hopefully meet a few people off here

Cool mate hopefully see you at one

[philip]

where are your spring tops from btw matey? as ive had some fail from the same place you got your crank from...machined wrong for sure on ther taper but i dont think were hardened right either.

[Gareth_C]

where are your spring tops from btw matey? as ive had some fail from the same place you got your crank from...machined wrong for sure on ther taper but i dont think were hardened right either.

Hi mate the honest answer is I dont know I have bought the complete head off steve milton, but I know they wont be autosprint products from steve.

[david dixon]

They will probably be piper then gareth.

[Gareth_C]

They will probably be piper then gareth.

Cheers Dave

[steveboyslim]

They will probably be piper then gareth.

Piper cams, springs, steel spring retainers, Arrow soild lifters, REC valves and colsibro valve guides.

Steve

[Gareth_C]

Piper cams, springs, steel spring retainers, Arrow soild lifters, REC valves and colsibro valve guides.

Steve

Cheers for the update Steve

[philip]

ah forgot you had the +2mm head off steve, proper bit of kit in that:D

[Gareth_C]

ah forgot you had the +2mm head off steve, proper bit of kit in that:D

Cheers Philip it should make for good driving

[Gareth_C]

update time.
my heated windscreen has turned up,with my brake lines, 4 way tee piece for the front lines off the pedal box. A pressure sensor for the brake lights.
a brand new set of valeo headlights and a set of euro lights from pie (cheers :thumb: )
Also the 1st fuel for the swirl pot
the start of the bits to make the 3" exhaust and the steel for the rear turrets so hopefully bey the weekend this should all be added to the car

But I have also decided that while its in bits im going to dry sump it so it will put the eta back a bit but should be finished for may

Cheers Gareth

[lee303]

been reading this one for a while, really like the spec, but i have to say, you need to change your thinking slightly imo
i’m all for the home brew, as anyone who knows me will tell you, but you are trying to get 275 bhp from a n/a two litre, not building a banger
i wasn’t going to say anything as you don’t seem to take constructive criticism well, but honing the bores in situ was the catalyst! the tolerances you are dealing with in a 2 ltr that will be revving to 9k with slipper pistons mean you need to get everything absolutely perfect or it will go wrong, those bores need to be honed properly on a proper machine and measured more accurately than a feeler gauge and a ring in a few places in the bore, friction is everything in an engine like this! and on that subject what about balancing? with the new rods and pistons i would wsnt to get the whole lot done, in my 1800 i even had the cams and pullies done as it sees 8600

also, won’t you want the block out to measure your compression ratio etc? you also imo need to get the block surface faced if you’re going to use a cometic gasket, they need a finish of 50 RA or finer and the cylinder pressures you will see mean you probably want to give the gasket all the help you can get!

what are going for c/r wise anyway? also the dry sump is a must so glad you've decided to go for that now too
this may seem like a long winded rant, but like i say, this is meant to be constructive, so hope you take it that way, as for me it would just be a shame to see some very nice components go to waste due to a little bit of missing attention to detail, it may cost a bit more than you hoped, but at the end of the day it will be worth it!

[nova_stee]

been reading this one for a while, really like the spec, but i have to say, you need to change your thinking slightly imo
i’m all for the home brew, as anyone who knows me will tell you, but you are trying to get 275 bhp from a n/a two litre, not building a banger
i wasn’t going to say anything as you don’t seem to take constructive criticism well, but honing the bores in situ was the catalyst! the tolerances you are dealing with in a 2 ltr that will be revving to 9k with slipper pistons mean you need to get everything absolutely perfect or it will go wrong, those bores need to be honed properly on a proper machine and measured more accurately than a feeler gauge and a ring in a few places in the bore, friction is everything in an engine like this! and on that subject what about balancing? with the new rods and pistons i would wsnt to get the whole lot done, in my 1800 i even had the cams and pullies done as it sees 8600

also, won’t you want the block out to measure your compression ratio etc? you also imo need to get the block surface faced if you’re going to use a cometic gasket, they need a finish of 50 RA or finer and the cylinder pressures you will see mean you probably want to give the gasket all the help you can get!

what are going for c/r wise anyway? also the dry sump is a must so glad you've decided to go for that now too
this may seem like a long winded rant, but like i say, this is meant to be constructive, so hope you take it that way, as for me it would just be a shame to see some very nice components go to waste due to a little bit of missing attention to detail, it may cost a bit more than you hoped, but at the end of the day it will be worth it!
I feel the same as lee its like spending thousands on all the right parts then throwing it together for it to last five minutes.
Needs sent to a engine builders in my eyes but keep up the good work

[lee303]

it needs measuring and machining properly, i see nothing wrong with assembling it yourself, but it does need more care imo, c/r needs to be bang on, as does the squish clearance, its not a whack the head on and its done engine!

[Gareth_C]

Cheers for the commments Lee. Its not I dont accept the critisim im just missunderstood lol.
As you were asking the 275 was a bit optimistic i understand that realisticly in a optimistic world I would like 260bhp. Im replacing the block because after suggestions made in regards to the honing I gained advice from the chap who did the machining work the last time round and will have the correct bore finish etc. as for the balancing the bottom end was all balaced the last time and I was told that as long as all four pistons conrods etc all weight the same then it will be ok (but I will ask the question)
the comp ratio should be 12.5:1 and I was told that was done on the head side but the guy who does the maching for me is spot on and will keep it right.
The dry sump was going to be an addition at the end of the year but would mean distrubing cams etc so may aswell do it now :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

I feel the same as lee its like spending thousands on all the right parts then throwing it together for it to last five minutes.
Needs sent to a engine builders in my eyes but keep up the good work

Cheers stee see the reply for info :thumb:

[lee303]

well, i’m glad the build has changed direction somewhat, i would get the whole assembly balanced even if the rods and pistons are the same tbh, vibration free in bicester are the best there is, not cheap but well worth it when dealing with an engine like this imo

[Jonlem]

Do it right, do it once ! Gets expensive otherwise

[Gareth_C]

cheers guys

[Will F]

12.5:1 :eek:

Thats how you will get the power, but longevity will be compromised - but then if you are chasing 250+ longevity isnt really a top priority...

Mine is 11.5:1 as it was built to stay flat out (oval racing) and still manages to get decent figures, so dont think that you have to ramp up the CR to chase these figures.

After all's said and done - I wouldnt even think about power - anything over 240 is awesome - and if you can get teh torque in a good place, then thats more important imo.

Plus whatever the power is, it will be different on different rollers/people wont believe the power/and you will only get upset if it isnt as high as you wanted it.

:)

[Danny s-p]

it going on the same rollers speky's is done on will think there dinodynamics and i hope it dose get what he aiming for he put so much time money and effort and a lot of thort in to it

[Jonlem]

it going on the same rollers speky's is done on will think there dinodynamics and i hope it dose get what he aiming for he put so much time money and effort and a lot of thort in to it

Sadly Dyno Dynamics rollers are very accurate so expect to be dissapointed if its not specced perfectly.

If you read through Giles's thread on Mig you will see how much time/effort and money he put in yet it still took several attempts to get past 260hp.

I have no doubt the spec is good but its the smaller details that make that last bit of difference.

[lee303]

12.5:1 :eek:

Thats how you will get the power, but longevity will be compromised - but then if you are chasing 250+ longevity isnt really a top priority...

Mine is 11.5:1 as it was built to stay flat out (oval racing) and still manages to get decent figures, so dont think that you have to ramp up the CR to chase these figures.

After all's said and done - I wouldnt even think about power - anything over 240 is awesome - and if you can get teh torque in a good place, then thats more important imo.

Plus whatever the power is, it will be different on different rollers/people wont believe the power/and you will only get upset if it isnt as high as you wanted it.

:)

12.5 is ok tbh, giles was at 12.6, its not too excessive, certainly not for something you will only run on decent fuel, but its how you get the c/r thats important, contrary to popular belief a massive intruder piston into the chamber will not do the flame front any favours...

what gearbox you going to run? as that will have a big an effect on how well the car goes as the engine imo

[Jonlem]

Its going on a F28 lee

[corsakid]

really wants a straight cut box weather its like mine sccr f20 quaife gear set or sumit like lee has a dog box, f28 just seems a waste and i dont think will take the high revs! (changing gear etc) f28s are unreliable all are old and parts and pretty few and far between bearings etc!

[lee303]

hmm, well the synchros wont cope with the revs, thats for sure, even on a sccr box they struggle, a good second pause against the gate sometimes to let the box slow down a little to stop them crunching in giles' cav, but at least then the ratios are suitable for the engines probable power characteristics,the ratios are too far apart on the f28 so you may even drop off cam between gearchanges, really it wants a dog box

[Jonlem]

Gaz'd ran a F28 in the end as they kept blowing F20's to pieces, in fairness though in took the revs but then it also had probably upwards of 300lbft to drive it through the gears which this won't have.

I have a brand new Quaife gearkit sitting here, still wrapped as supplied from Quaife £1000

[Gareth_C]

Hi guys
Will F the 12.5 is what is quoted by wossner and will be looked at when the head arrives etc to build the engine together. Yes it is goin to Rs tuning for the map. I guessing the guy knows what he's doing when you look at his list of cars ;)

Jonelm im seeking advice off steve as to the parts I need to fit push the limits of the car I set out looking to be one of the fastest 2.0 n/a's in the country and will not stop ploughing the money till its happened :)

Lee yes im running an f28 and as yet I havent seen any problem I was pricing up using a quaiffe style box but am goin to get the box fully checked etc before any major grief.
Corsakid the revving shouldnt be an issue I speak to specky quite a lot and the only problems he has with an F28 is synchro's now and again. Bearing in mind he revs his to 8500 with more torque and power than the box should even think about taking.

I understand where everybody is coming from and im dermind to get at a point of being right but its the case of little at a time as once I have paid for the head the engine receipts are up to approx £10500 so and a further £3000 for the car mods etc so its not the case of the money its just as and when its added.

Jonelm Ill bear the quaiffe set in mind more info please
Cheers

[Jonlem]

The gearkit is a Quaife 5 speed SCCR, same as Corsakid is probably running and many others. Unused but obviously needs building into a gearbox.

I do wonder if your aim is being the fastest fwd NA why didn't you just go and buy one of the several JRE engines for sale on the rally forums, several pushing past 280 and some are 300+ Atleast you would have a proven unit so the hard works done !

Too late for that now though, I'd imagine your going to clear 20+k once its finished though ! rather you then me lol

[Gareth_C]

The gearkit is a Quaife 5 speed SCCR, same as Corsakid is probably running and many others. Unused but obviously needs building into a gearbox.

I do wonder if your aim is being the fastest fwd NA why didn't you just go and buy one of the several JRE engines for sale on the rally forums, several pushing past 280 and some are 300+ Atleast you would have a proven unit so the hard works done !

Too late for that now though, I'd imagine your going to clear 20+k once its finished though ! rather you then me lol

In hind site i should have done that and wished I did it would of saved lots or hassle. As for the money its only a lot when you pull it out in one lump and I donr drink or smoke so its the same as a weekend on the town for a 24yo at £60 plus a night lol ;) :thumb:

[Jonlem]

I totally understand, been there done all this which is why I bit the bullet and shelled out on a ready to go car as it IS very expensive to build your own.

Good luck with it and get some pictures up of the head !

[lee303]

Hi guys
Will F the 12.5 is what is quoted by wossner and will be looked at when the head arrives etc to build the engine together. Yes it is goin to Rs tuning for the map. I guessing the guy knows what he's doing when you look at his list of cars ;)

Jonelm im seeking advice off steve as to the parts I need to fit push the limits of the car I set out looking to be one of the fastest 2.0 n/a's in the country and will not stop ploughing the money till its happened :)

Lee yes im running an f28 and as yet I havent seen any problem I was pricing up using a quaiffe style box but am goin to get the box fully checked etc before any major grief.
Corsakid the revving shouldnt be an issue I speak to specky quite a lot and the only problems he has with an F28 is synchro's now and again. Bearing in mind he revs his to 8500 with more torque and power than the box should even think about taking.

I understand where everybody is coming from and im dermind to get at a point of being right but its the case of little at a time as once I have paid for the head the engine receipts are up to approx £10500 so and a further £3000 for the car mods etc so its not the case of the money its just as and when its added.

Jonelm Ill bear the quaiffe set in mind more info please
Cheers

you may find yourself skimming the piston crowns to get the c/r right depending on whats done to the head, it is better to get the c/r without having the pistons intrude into the chamber too much at tdc but you need to retain the squish clearance, will take bit of measuring/mocking up...

as for the gearbox, the f28 will just be too wide a ratio spread for the engine imo, and if you’re targeting the fastest n/a you will be wanting a sccr at least, uness your just talking top speed like clarkson does ofcourselol

[Jonlem]

It is worth working out the gearing, quite sure Danny with the bronze Tigra was doing 181mph @ approx 8k in 6th so far from ideal for a atmo engine.

Although Specky hasn't had many problems with the F28 his engine does have a LOT of power and torque to match so the taller gearing is far better suited to his than it would be to yours.

[Gareth_C]

It is worth working out the gearing, quite sure Danny with the bronze Tigra was doing 181mph @ approx 8k in 6th so far from ideal for a atmo engine.

Although Specky hasn't had many problems with the F28 his engine does have a LOT of power and torque to match so the taller gearing is far better suited to his than it would be to yours.

What does atmo mean :confused:

[Gareth_C]

you may find yourself skimming the piston crowns to get the c/r right depending on whats done to the head, it is better to get the c/r without having the pistons intrude into the chamber too much at tdc but you need to retain the squish clearance, will take bit of measuring/mocking up...

as for the gearbox, the f28 will just be too wide a ratio spread for the engine imo, and if you’re targeting the fastest n/a you will be wanting a sccr at least, uness your just talking top speed like clarkson does ofcourselol

Ill leave the comp ratios to suggestions from steve and alistair who will be assisting with putting the lot back together again :thumb:
As for the box that will something to look at once everything else is complete I know its not ideal but as they say rome wasnt built in a day ;)

[Gareth_C]

Mornig all its not a massive update but I have removed the gear selected plated the hole and as we speak is the firbreglass should be drying off nicely. The old fuel tanks is removed and I started making the rear turrets. Shouldnt be long before the inside is back together.

Also more parts I have been colecting
A brand new pair of valeo headlights at a bargin price
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03020.jpg
Euro rear lights from Pie :thumb:
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03030.jpg

AN6 fuel hose
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03025-1.jpg

Swirl pot fuel pump
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03023.jpg

Various braking products
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03025-1.jpg

A com to usb convertor lead for the DTA
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03026.jpg

And the start of the 3" exhaust parts but I think the tip is miles too big from what I was expecting
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03021-1.jpg

Cheers Gareth

[Jonlem]

What does atmo mean :confused:

Atmospheric as in non forced induction

Good updates :thumb:

[Mieran]

I've got a 3" silencer if you need one?

http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157730

[Gareth_C]

Atmospheric as in non forced induction

Good updates :thumb:

Cheers John

[Gareth_C]

I've got a 3" silencer if you need one?

http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157730

ill have a think and let you know mate :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

Update time!!!
Because of work I havent been able do much recently.
But have cracked on a bit today.
Postman delivered some more goodies
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03203.jpg
My new tank
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03200.jpg
swirl pot
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03202.jpg
Smoothed the tunnel over for the internal shifter
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03193.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03194.jpg
I have also got the turrets just about finished just have to shutz the drivers arch, make the bracket for the axle and job done.
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03184.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03181.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03121.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03182.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03186.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03185.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03187.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03188.jpg

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03190.jpg

Unfortunalty work stops play for tomorrow as im off for a road trip to Steve's house (steveboyslim) to collectmy head and a dry sump kit. and on the way back with be collecting a quaife F20 SCCR gearkit so its all coming together :thumb:
Cheers Gareth

[Iain]

Nice work those turrets look good. Have you tested the angle of the shock when the beam is on at the chosen ride height to make sure they clear?

[Gareth_C]

Nice work those turrets look good. Have you tested the angle of the shock when the beam is on at the chosen ride height to make sure they clear?

I havent made the bracket that goes onto the axle yet that will be the next job :thumb:

[Jonlem]

Looking good Gareth.

I'll text you those details shortly

[Gareth_C]

Looking good Gareth.

I'll text you those details shortly

Cheers Mate I was hoping you hadn't forgot :thumb:

[Jonlem]

PM sent

[Gareth_C]

well had a very fun day today did a 600 mile round trip to pick bits up :(
First was to steve's house.

I picked up my new dry sump kit.
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03218.jpg

And the new addition to the engine the big valve head. Its got +2mm wasted stem REC valves, colsbro valve guides piper double valve springs solid lifters shimed up to suit the piper cams
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03217.jpg
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03216.jpg
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03214.jpg
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03209.jpg
Then it was off to joelms mates to collect the new quaife SCCR gear kit
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03207.jpg
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx256/gaffs2000/DSC03219.jpg

Cheers Gareth

[scott.parker]

WOW nice purchasing mate, some serious kit gathered there, think the 275bhp could be achievable more likely now..

What wheels are they?

Scott

[peester]

waw wee wa nice nice

[Gareth_C]

WOW nice purchasing mate, some serious kit gathered there, think the 275bhp could be achievable more likely now..

What wheels are they?

Scott
Cheers mate the bank manager won't be happy after the purchasing. they are pro race 3's by team dynamics :thumb:

[Gareth_C]

waw wee wa nice nice

Cheers peester

[david dixon]

I couldn't believe the meat out of that head, Immense!

[Gareth_C]

I couldn't believe the meat out of that head, Immense!

I think its one of those things you would have to see it to believe it

[Jonlem]

Sorry I didn't get to meet you earlier Gareth, glad everything got sorted with Ben though.

Head looks proper :)

[Paul]

Neil Roper head?

[Jonlem]

Yes it is.

[Paul]

About the best you can get then.

[Mincyballs]

Looks good mate, your going to struggle to adjust the ride hight with those turrets though but good work.

Some nice goodies you got there! that isnt a cnc head is it?

Is that gearkit for an f28?

[Gareth_C]

Looks good mate, your going to struggle to adjust the ride hight with those turrets though but good work.

Some nice goodies you got there! that isnt a cnc head is it?

Is that gearkit for an f28?
It's for the f20 mate I'll just have to adjust the chassis leg again. I don't think it's CNC but like jonelm and Paul said it's a good head. The turrets are a little thin but I have to sets of rear suspension one for circuits and one for drag so it's just to house them really:thumb:

[Gareth_C]

Sorry I didn't get to meet you earlier Gareth, glad everything got sorted with Ben though.

Head looks proper :)
It's ok mate I'm sure we will catch up at a show or something.

[Jonlem]

Looks good mate, your going to struggle to adjust the ride hight with those turrets though but good work.

Some nice goodies you got there! that isnt a cnc head is it?

Is that gearkit for an f28?

Its not a CNC head, it will be a proper head from Neil Roper Developments.

[Benn]

A lot of tastey parts there, this should be a hell of a project.

[Gareth_C]

A lot of tastey parts there, this should be a hell of a project.

Cheers Benn In the words of steveboyslim im not shy of throwing money at it lol :thumb:

[Benn]

hahaha best way dude.

[Gareth_C]

cheers benn

[Danny s-p]

look like i need to lend that power file need to mod my bmx and make lose some of it fat lol and no removing me wont work lol


ps are parts shiney goodness

[Gareth_C]

look like i need to lend that power file need to mod my bmx and make lose some of it fat lol and no removing me wont work lol


ps are parts shiney goodness

WTF :roll:

[Danny s-p]

WTF :roll:lol all ex-plane tomorrow

[Mincyballs]

Mate got some work cut out, some american just put an 11.3 with slicks no noz and has been dubbed the fastest in the UK......but its non road legal!

[Jonlem]

Mate got some work cut out, some american just put an 11.3 with slicks no noz and has been dubbed the fastest in the UK......but its non road legal!

I can't see a Nova touching that as it simply doesn't get off the line well enough.

Worth a try though !

[Gareth_C]

Mate got some work cut out, some american just put an 11.3 with slicks no noz and has been dubbed the fastest in the UK......but its non road legal!

:eek: sounds like good fun is that a challenge cause i will go out and purchase some slicks for the crack lol . Seriously though thats quick BUT im looking for the car to still be road legal which by default wouldnt put mine in the same area i think. where was that at

[Jonlem]

Technically running slicks makes the car non road legal, You couldn't get a nova any lighter than the green nova we had ( short of carbon panels everywhere ) and that was still road legal.

I'm going to assume this 11.3 was a Honda as the yanks have been running that and much quicker for a long time now.

[Connor]

Yea its a eg civic, blokes name is alvis
There info on the car and the run on here CLICKY (http://www.civiclife.net/board/topic/97673-k20k24-allmotor/)

here the vid CLICKY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzbJtb_VZ9c&feature=player_embedded)

[Mincyballs]

Yeah it was at pod at the Fast show, he won the X class (non road legal) and then said my 12.5 was ok.......... fecking ok i will show him ok!

already been on the phone to andy robinson for some skinny rears and some smaller rims with a bigger offset to fit some nice slicks on then i can just change back to my road legals for normal road legal class

[Connor]

he rekons he will get down to 11 seconds flat with 'adjustments'
fairplay to him though, 1st run in the uk he got a 11.5 run lol

[Mincyballs]

I will give him that its quick but would like to see a time with treads so its road legal. failing that i will buy some slicks and have a go, but 1.6 60ft is an awesome hoolk up tbh i run 12.5 with 2.1 hook up so i dont think i would be far off him with some slicks and low resistant skinny rears.

[Jonlem]

Yea its a eg civic, blokes name is alvis
There info on the car and the run on here CLICKY (http://www.civiclife.net/board/topic/97673-k20k24-allmotor/)

here the vid CLICKY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzbJtb_VZ9c&feature=player_embedded)

Very impressive

Does anyone know what chassis mods that has had ? I know Danny @ Adrenaline has done some work on a few UK Eg civics as he knows a fair bit about drag setup.

[Jonlem]

What you both need <cheeky bit of advertising > is some rose jointed adjustable lower arms ;)

lol

[Mincyballs]

I know harry does them for a small fortune but who else does?

[Gareth_C]

What you both need <cheeky bit of advertising > is some rose jointed adjustable lower arms ;)

lol

how much you gonna sting me for these james lol

[Mincyballs]

did someone say group discount

[Jonlem]

I can supply them for a LOT less than the HH ones.

Specky now runs them although on is own brackets.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/Tie%20Bar%20pics/P1030187.jpg

These are the newer type, the inner TCA rose joint is already set at a angle on those as they are intended to be run with a fair bit of castor meaning the rose joint is reasonably straight.

As Specky only needed his to stop the wheel movement his were made with no added castor in mind, you do still have a load of adjustment if you need it but thats basically the difference between the drag and track arms.

The kit with brackets and 4 high quality rose joints is £450 so less than half of the HH Pilbeam kit.

Sorry for the thread hijack Gareth

[Jonlem]

did someone say group discount


Sadly not, there is a LOT of time in making these and due to that there is no way they could be supplied for less.

If there were 10 people wanting them then maybe but lets face it thats never going to happen and if it did I'd want a fair bit upfront of everyone as its not like I need 10 sets of them sitting on a shelf in my garage lol

[Jonlem]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/Bens%20Nova/Engine%20build/DSC00889.jpg

[Mincyballs]

So just so i know... what actually comes in the kit?
I need new poly bushes so would rather put the money in to this tbh
Also will this be anti dive as well?

I was only joking about the group discount.

Apologies for the hijack gareth

[Jonlem]

So just so i know... what actually comes in the kit?
I need new poly bushes so would rather put the money in to this tbh
Also will this be anti dive as well?

I was only joking about the group discount.

Apologies for the hijack gareth

The kit consists of :

2 TCA's
2 Adjustable tie rods
2 Crossmember brackets
2 Alloy spacers for the brackets ( you can can adjust the height )
4 High quality rose joints with 8 side spacers and high tensile cap head bolts

The inner tca uses a 1/2 inch bolt so you need to drill that out from the M10 I think it is as standard but apart from that its a bolt on kit.

As for Anti Dive thats more to do with how you setup everything up but it does ofcourse help.

I'm Gareth won't mind, he has already been on the phone lol


Without blowing my own trumpet this sort of thing is essential on a drag car, we've all watched cars launch off the line at the pod and the wheel never stays where it should due to the allowed movement in the bushes, any movement will have a huge effect on the car putting the power down and every tenth counts on the 60ft.

When it comes to wanting the best setup for circuit use the same applies, any movement isn't useful, being able to dial in castor and a good amount of camber makes a massive amount of difference to the cars handling.

Feel free to drop me a PM or reply on the tie bar thread which is in the parts for sale forum and I'll do my best to answer any further questions you may have.

PS, no worries on the group discount, you have to ask lol

[Gareth_C]

So just so i know... what actually comes in the kit?
I need new poly bushes so would rather put the money in to this tbh
Also will this be anti dive as well?

I was only joking about the group discount.

Apologies for the hijack gareth
No worries mate but it's gotta be worth some discount on my part due to the advertising that's going on here ;) :thumb: