The Counts Track Day Nova Build

[Ernie]

small block = small c0ck lol
Wellcome back to the nova rat race mate just a shame im stepping out of it tomorrow maybe.

[craig green]

Why bother, by the time you use the big box and add a turbo youll be saving about 20kg at best!

I didnt realise it was about a weight issue. :d

So many other brands of car/motor seem to lend themself well to home made turbocharging, why should the 16XE, which is a cracking motor anyway be any different? Btw I think an F13/15 would cope with that power. I'd be inclined to use the small box & std shafts unless it all ends up as a paperweight & then switch to the F20...

James; what makes the T25 core more efficient than a T2?

[mk3-fezza]

iv just sat here for the past 7 odd hours reading through all 176 pages of this and all i can say is wow all the work you'v done to this is incredible especially ur fab work, it was a shame the original plans are going ahead but you have your reasons

the new plans do look very tasty tho i will be watching this :thumb::thumb::thumb:

[novasrikev]

brilliant bit of fabrication work there pal

[Count Vaux Alot]

I didnt realise it was about a weight issue. :d

So many other brands of car/motor seem to lend themself well to home made turbocharging, why should the 16XE, which is a cracking motor anyway be any different? Btw I think an F13/15 would cope with that power. I'd be inclined to use the small box & std shafts unless it all ends up as a paperweight & then switch to the F20...

James; what makes the T25 core more efficient than a T2?

Do the f13/15 numbers relate to the torque they can cope with (this is what i was lead to believe for the F20/28 box's?)

I like the idea of an small block box like the f15 but don't know if i will destroy it? The same goes for the internals of the engine i know they don't like high RPM but i won't be going over 7800rpm so should be fine in that respect i just don't know if they will take the added stress of boost?

Craig what boost pressure are you running? I aim to run as little as possible.

The T25 is simply a more modern efficient design of turbo than the T2 and is more suited to my needs although, i am building a hybrid T25 so it will be different to any 'off the shelf' units. With the .49 A/R turbine housing i am using the power should be progressive instead of laggy and torque steer should be reduced.

With the hybrid unit i will be able to run less boost pressure to achieve the same power (compared to a standard T25) due to the upgraded comp wheel and high flow comp cover but still keep the T25 silhouette.

[peester]

mr bowyer told me f15 gearbox= 150lbft torque handling capabilties
So a gentle turbo could work for a bit..?

[Count Vaux Alot]

mr bowyer told me f15 gearbox= 150lbft torque handling capabilties
So a gentle turbo could work for a bit..?

Thats what i thought - so i'm likely to funk it fairly quickly as i don't intend to do 'gentle'.

[peester]

ha, mr hard

[Count Vaux Alot]

ha, mr hard

:confused: That actually is my second name...

[The Simps]

some names are ironic tho

[Count Vaux Alot]

some names are ironic tho

I think your Mrs and mum would disagree lol

[AlexW]

When i looked into the gearbox stuff the f15 would take loads, the standard C16XE puts out 150NM of torque.

And you realise 7800 is a fair amount as standard they only rev to 6500ish and usualy the chipped ones max at 6800-7000.

Good to know your going smallblock. Should be fun.

[Count Vaux Alot]

When i looked into the gearbox stuff the f15 would take loads, the standard C16XE puts out 150NM of torque.

And you realise 7800 is a fair amount as standard they only rev to 6500ish and usualy the chipped ones max at 6800-7000.

Good to know your going smallblock. Should be fun.

Best case senario would be a sccr small block box but they are just as expensive as the big block sccr so thats out of the question for now, in the long run i still think the f20 has more chance of survival than the f13 or 15 but we will see.

Oh and i should have mentioned that 7800rpm is only my max fig i hope i wont need to rev that high to make the power if so standard internals would need uprating to 'be safe' imo anyway.

[AlexW]

:d

[craig green]

Craig what boost pressure are you running? I aim to run as little as possible.



About 10psi. As said before, I think the actuator diaphragm has had it. It was spiking much higher so spent all summer driving it on part throttle to stop it boosting too high.

[Count Vaux Alot]

Hi everone here is my first proper update in i don't know how long!
After moving and selling all my bits i had no intention of getting on with the car this year but, as the weeks have passed i have found myself missing it more and more so, this weekend i drove back to my mum and dads and cracked on!
Saturday started with the servicing of my new daily (its a passat 1.9tdi 130ish bhp 4motion) and the attempted fitting of a tow bar, this how ever didn't go according to plan as it was the wrong one for the vehicle model and i only realised after removing the rear bumper etc :mad:

Then i got on with some much needed garage clearance that continued into sunday morning with a trip to the tidy tip included. So with some free space and a clean floor i continued from were i left off only with a slightly different plan ahead of me this time.

Pic pics!

Here she is after a clear up believe it or not

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0012.jpg

Here is the new turbo 'dry' build sans le internals, this still probably isn't the finished article as i may use a fiat coupe turbine housing instaed of the saab item as its the same .49 A/R but has a more convinient V band fitting for the exhaust instead but you get the idea.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0003.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0001.jpg

The comp cover is from a ball bearing unit and will flow more efficiently compared to the standard T25 cover (this is use full given the fact i'm upgrading the comp wheel)

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0002.jpg

Compressor cover A/R

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0005.jpg

Turbine housing A/R

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0004.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0006.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0007.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0008.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0009.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0010.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0011.jpg

Then there was their first introduction to each other

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0019.jpg

Needless to say they are getting on very well lol

[Count Vaux Alot]

Then i had a little play (as you do) just because - this will go here erm some were

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0020.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0021.jpg

Possibly not this way round though, i will have to wait until i have the engine fitted to be sure where the best possition for the turbo will be - hopefully i will be able to collect the engines next wkend! woop woop!

In preperation for the arrival of the engines i needed to get at least the rear end back on a set of wheels so, i rebuilt the rear brakes and set about making some make shift suspension for the rear (its amazing what you find to do the job when you look around the garage) these were part of a dog bed!

two hollow poles with a bolt welded in the top and a hole in the bottom and bobs your uncle!

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0014.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0015.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0017.jpg

and on the car

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0016.jpg

I purposly made them uber long so i still have loads of room to get under the back end if i need to with out removing the wheels and jacking it up etc. Its like a 4x4 now.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0022.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0023.jpg

[MK999]

I like the new anti roll system, should get some awesome load transfer in cornering with that setup lol

[Count Vaux Alot]

I like the new anti roll system, should get some awesome load transfer in cornering with that setup lol

Yer but the centre of gravity is a little high atm lol it will work perfectly for what i want it for

[Benn]

When you gonna come see me to get bits?

[The Simps]

Good to see you working on the car again mate.

All this turbo stuff is all new to me so this thread should be a good learn!

Like the shock idea, was what I had planned bit with some inch box I have laying round.

[16v Nova Kev]

has to be said again that your shell prep is awsome just notised the gussets on the struts.

[scott.parker]

lol nice rear shocks!

Glad to see it again though mate, crack on..

[Count Vaux Alot]

Cheers chaps i'm glad to be back on it too! Simps this will be a learning curve for us all trust me!

Benn PM sent.

[Adam]

Plans sound spot on. Be interesting see what the outcome is of a turbo'd 1600 16v with custom manifolds on it and not cast/modified std ones.

TurboGav for the manifolds..... ;)

[Count Vaux Alot]

TurboGav for the manifolds..... ;)


Already on it mate :thumb:

[Jonlem]

Pm Sent

[Count Vaux Alot]

Pm Sent
And replied mate :thumb:

[trackdaynova]

PM received, and replied :thumb:

[Cally]

Impressive build, but this just took up hours of my life to read! lol

[Count Vaux Alot]

PM received, and replied :thumb:

:roll: lol

[Jonlem]

And replied mate :thumb:

and replied, you have my number if you need a chat

[trackdaynova]

replied Jonlem :)

[Count Vaux Alot]

and replied, you have my number if you need a chat

Might well take you up on that ;)

[Jonlem]

replied Jonlem :)

Where !

I feel so left out :(

[Count Vaux Alot]

Progress from this weekend :)

Last weekend involved a lot of driving lol i drove home from Bournemouth to Bedfordshire on fri night then sat morning i started out early and collected a couple of x16xe engines from Ayr in Scotland (Thanks again Jamie :thumb:) making the journy back down south sat afternoon/evening to see John H in Stoke on trent to collect some more parts (cheers Boss nice to chat again) and finally back to Bournemouth on sunday evening!

However sunday morning/afternoon i did find the time to unload the van and put an engine in the nova!

This is the first time in over a year that the engine bay has been home to an engine, here is what i started with:

An empty engine bay

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0001-1.jpg

One spare engine for parts and to use to mock up the new manifolds (this one will be fitted into the car for the time being)

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0002-1.jpg

One good engine to be rebuilt and actually used in conjunction with the new turbo in the car

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0003-1.jpg

The spare engine fitted to the spare small block gearbox just for mock up purposes (any one have any idea how to identify this gearbox? it has no markings ie F13 F15 etc in the usual place?)
And arn't these small blocks light i can just about carry one on my own.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0004-1.jpg

I dropped the tie bars down to make way for the motor

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0005-1.jpg

And shes in

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0006-1.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0007-1.jpg

Feck me is it small or what...look at the space around it

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0008-1.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0009-1.jpg

And with the rad in place

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0010-1.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0011-1.jpg

[Count Vaux Alot]

Then i put the bottom of the inlet manifold on just to gauge space to the back of the engine, again loads of room which is nice :d

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0019-1.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0020-1.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0021-1.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0022-1.jpg

Content that there would be loads of room for the new custom inlet i set about moving the rad about, to see what space there would be for the turbo and exhaust behind the rad.

First off i centred the rad so that the intercooler pipes can fit either side, some trimming of the front panel will be needed.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0023-1.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0024.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0025.jpg

And the view from behind with the rad in its new position (the rad is centred and moved forwards a little)

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0026.jpg

i did try the turbo behind the rad but photo bucket wasn't as happy as i was with those images so it has deleted them :mad:

Once i was satisfied with the spare engines temporary new found home i decided it would be rude not to crack on with the rebuild of the other 1600xe so i mounted it on to the engine stand ready for the strip down to commence, but a cup of tea distracted me.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0014-1.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0013-1.jpg

The small block looks alright to me

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DPP_0017-1.jpg

Here you can see the start that some one has made on an inlet manifold for some bike carbs that came with the engines.

The bike carbs are off a kawasaki zzr1100 and are 40mm in size if any one is interested in purchasing them - pm me if so
Today following a trip to Benns last week i got on with cleaning a few bits up at work (dejavo i know), anyway I started with these - rusted to fook

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DSC00580.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DSC00583.jpg

[Count Vaux Alot]

Then i removed the the unwanted bits

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DSC00585.jpg

And slung them in the degreaser then hot wash then blasted leaving the hubs and bearings in place as i don't need them (i'm upgrading) and couldn't be @rsed to press them out.

Bling bling

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DSC00587.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DSC00588.jpg

And finally a coat of acid etch to protect the bare metal while they are away being machined again

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DSC00590.jpg

Hopefully some more progress will follow next weekend - Benn see your wip :thumb:

[g111mds]

no worries James! Glad you got back safely and good to see the engines being put to good use.

Cheers, Jamie

[peester]

cool stuff mr james. welcome to small block club n all that..

[The Simps]

Wow! Those hubs came out well! Can you put whole houses into this hot wash thingy? lol

Good busy weekend James with some good progress. HUGE amount of room in there!

Do I spy a speedline mistral slipping into the photo....

[djbrowney]

sorry to sound dumb but whats the extra parts welded in on the front turrets for ??? i have had a quick looked through the thread but can seem to find anything lol

[Count Vaux Alot]

Those hubs did come out well but a house is a bit much to ask (any one else want anything doing? lol), i was happy with what i got done considering the amount of travelling i got through, i was even happier with the amount of room around the engine for manifolds and pipework!

Oh and yes the mistral its one of my now 6 strong collection (they are the 15 inch variant) i have had the first 4 for ages, since the days of my blue 1.7 td van

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/160220081031.jpg

[burgo]

no messing :). surely you could of got hold of some engines closer though lol

[Count Vaux Alot]

sorry to sound dumb but whats the extra parts welded in on the front turrets for ??? i have had a quick looked through the thread but can seem to find anything lol
lol i don't blame you for not noticing what they were for you would have had to try hard to find it in 180 pages of cr@p!

They are strengthening supports for the turret extensions

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/turrets1220.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/turrets1221.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/turrets1227.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/turrets1274.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/turrets1247.jpg

[Count Vaux Alot]

no messing :). surely you could of got hold of some engines closer though lol

Probably but all the engines i had seen were to$$ and these came up cheap and there was two so worth it imo :roll:

[The Simps]

15s pah! real men have 17s ;) lol

So, you want these tubs then?

[djbrowney]

15s pah! real men have 17s ;) lol

So, you want these tubs then?

chav's have 17's lol

[The Simps]

oooh the cheek!

[trackdaynova]

"trackdaynova, your post cannot be submitted due to the thread author has officially turned limp, and now has a small cock"

[Count Vaux Alot]

"trackdaynova, your post cannot be submitted due to the thread author has officially turned limp, and now has a small cock"

lol you didn't complain it was too small when i was balls deep in your @rse neither did your wife! Hi Shell.
Anyway its over a year since your last nova related track day how depressing is that i miss it :cry:

[Count Vaux Alot]

15s pah! real men have 17s ;) lol

So, you want these tubs then?

17's is about all you do have in one piece atm as you have cut the rest away lol chav chav

[Benn]

Hang on a man of your skills and you fitted a small block thru the bottom? Dude!
*shakes head*



Good work tho, glad she's comming along again.

[The Simps]

Hang on a man of your skills and you fitted a small block thru the bottom? Dude!
*shakes head*



Good work tho, glad she's comming along again.


I knew that was coming! lol Got to remember tho Benn, he's a bufty now so wouldn''t want to run the risk of scratching the paintwork. :d

[Jonlem]

Looking good James, should be a good project

[Count Vaux Alot]

Hang on a man of your skills and you fitted a small block thru the bottom? Dude!
*shakes head*



Good work tho, glad she's comming along again.

If its easier why fu ck around....

[Count Vaux Alot]

I knew that was coming! lol Got to remember tho Benn, he's a bufty now so wouldn''t want to run the risk of scratching the paintwork. :d

Bufty! You can talk...just because you have cut up most of your car now doesn't mean that we have forgotten your smooth bulk head antics which coincidently was a complete waist of time...lol

[Plug]

If its easier why fu ck around....

was thinking exactly the same lol

[Benn]

Easier dropping it down and in in my books, but was said joking.

And your both buffy boys compared to me...:confused: :tard:

[MK999]

Easier dropping it down and in in my books, but was said joking.

And your both buffy boys compared to me...:confused: :tard:

You just wouldn't understand the buftying that goes into a matt finish or simps dented boot! lol

[Benn]

hahahahaha

[craig green]

And slung them in the degreaser then hot wash then blasted leaving the hubs and bearings in place as i don't need them (i'm upgrading) and couldn't be @rsed to press them out.


And finally a coat of acid etch to protect the bare metal while they are away being machined again

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DSC00590.jpg

Hopefully some more progress will follow next weekend - Benn see your wip :thumb:

Sorry, machined for what? :confused: Good progress already though pal.

[Count Vaux Alot]

Sorry, machined for what? :confused: Good progress already though pal.
Machined to take a different bearing and a standard xe big block hub like i did before see here (http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109412&page=115)for details :thumb:

[Count Vaux Alot]

Small update - i got a gift from Mr ebay for £20....thanks very much!

One Frontera inter cooler in surprisingly good condition

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/intercooler001.jpg

One front panel in need of some surgery

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/intercooler002.jpg

The first incision

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/intercooler003.jpg

And the waist material removed

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/intercooler005.jpg

So i thought i would just try the cooler in place

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/intercooler006.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/intercooler007.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/intercooler008.jpg

I'm please with the initial fitment although some fettling is needed, i think i'm going to fab something up to suit these original mounts.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/intercooler011.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/intercooler010.jpg

I'm not 100% sure what yet but i have some ideas, i may use these rubbers instead though.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/intercooler016.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/intercooler017.jpg

Before i finished off butchering the front panel i decided i would move the rad mounts so i knew what i had to work with.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/intercooler012.jpg

A little neater here with two new rad mount holes

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/intercooler013.jpg

I temporarily sprayed a little primer around the new holes to keep the damp out so i could fit the rubber gromits and inturn the rad

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/intercooler014.jpg

Once the rad was inplace i could start to position the intercooler in a more permanant location, to work out what room i had for pipe work etc

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/intercooler019.jpg

[Count Vaux Alot]

Once i was happy with the coolers location, i decided i would refit the front bumper and bonnet to see what i was left with

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/intercooler021.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/intercooler022.jpg

Again i'm surprised at how well things fit as i don't think much of the bumper will need removing although i could be wrong lol

Ignore the white bonnet and white bits on the bemper if you will but i think it will look alright.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/intercooler024.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/intercooler023.jpg

I will hopefully get some more done tomorrow thanks for looking :thumb:

[Adam]

Looking good :)

[Benn]

That looks good, quite neat. Nice work.

Will pull that f20 out for you this week.

[Count Vaux Alot]

Cheers chaps

[scott.parker]

That inter cooler fitment is a nice tidy job for first trail fit! Only you could call that a trail fit.. lol

Looking better, it's just nice to see something in the bay again.

Scott

[shaun larnder]

Ah that brings back memories! Good work as always chap. Didn't fancy an sr/gte bumper tho to cover it up?

Simps.

[Count Vaux Alot]

Ah that brings back memories! Good work as always chap. Didn't fancy an sr/gte bumper tho to cover it up?

Simps.


Big bumpers are for homos and weigh more lol

I stripped one of the engines today (no pics as yet though) it looked ok which was helpful, just needs a clean

[Count Vaux Alot]

Evening everyone, as the weather has been complete sh!te over the last couple of days i haven't wanted to open the garage door as the rain would just come poring in - its been coming down sideways! Anyway for that reason i've been doing bits and bobs inside so here are some pointless pics of an engine being stripped enjoy!

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/enginestrip001.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/enginestrip003.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/enginestrip004.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/enginestrip005.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/enginestrip007.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/enginestrip008.jpg

Job done, hopefull it might stop raining tomorrow so i can do some welding!

[t45_ste]

nice bit of progress :) Keep at it.

[Count Vaux Alot]

It would be coming along a lot quicker if i wasn't saving money for this bastid house!
I went on to SBD's web site and i can't afford any of the bits i want :cry:

[scott.parker]

It would be coming along a lot quicker if i wasn't saving money for this bastid house!
I went on to SBD's web site and i can't afford any of the bits i want :cry:

lol Screw the SBD bit's just make a nice spec reliable turbo job, don't go wasting your money..:thumb:

[t45_ste]

What bits you after from SBD?

Dont get me started on houses lol just had to lay down a 15% deposit, thats to get a half decent mortgage. They want 25% for all the "good" ones :mad:

Then theres everything else.

[Count Vaux Alot]

Scott i'm not going to waist money and i will build the best engine i can on my budget its just there are so many nice things that are so so expensive!

Ste i was looking at rods, uprated oil pump internals, remote oil filters, basically browsing at everything and its depressing. Trust me i feel your pain on this house bollox who realisticaly is going to have 25% ffs!

[scott.parker]

Well i hope you dont/didn't take offense by what i said, im just saying you can spend all the money in the world, on fancy this and that, expensive bit's here and there, but IMO it dont seam worth it, as unless your going to use the car at a sponsored based competitive level it's not worth chucking all the money into it etc, you might think im wrong, but it's just i think we all get carried away on here trying to "compare dick sizes" lol it's a nova that wont get used everyday, wont get used fully competitive, so is it necessary??

I only come to this conclusion after realising i have spent enough on mine, and can not validated spending any more massive amounts on a car that wont get used "properly"

Scott

[Count Vaux Alot]

Well i hope you dont/didn't take offense by what i said, im just saying you can spend all the money in the world, on fancy this and that, expensive bit's here and there, but IMO it dont seam worth it, as unless your going to use the car at a sponsored based competitive level it's not worth chucking all the money into it etc, you might think im wrong, but it's just i think we all get carried away on here trying to "compare dick sizes" lol it's a nova that wont get used everyday, wont get used fully competitive, so is it necessary??

I only come to this conclusion after realising i have spent enough on mine, and can not validated spending any more massive amounts on a car that wont get used "properly"

Scott

Dude your completely right, and no offence taken at all, i'm not after spending silly again just doing it to the best of my ability first time round so i'm not wasting time and money more than anything.

The thing i'm most concerned about is the ability of the current bottom end to put up with the stress i'm going to put on it, if i had my way i wouldn't have bothered stripping the engine at all but it had been out of a car for X amount of time, i have to idea of its history or the reason for its removal so it would have been stupid not to strip it imo for the cost of a gasket and seals kit.

[scott.parker]

Oh i totally agree with that, i would do it too (if i know what i was doing lol) and rebuild it, that way you know whats what etc, and i guess i would look for some H section rod's/and ARP's just to make sure that all nice and strong for the boost, but thats about it, els it's money money money again..

[t45_ste]

Have you tried shopping around for some of the bits, other than SBD as they put quite a bit on.

[Count Vaux Alot]

Yes mate i have looked around a lot i just looked on SBD's site to see what was available for the 1.6 16v (as they show all the bits in one place) this is my best for the rods so far LINK (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400046221991&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT) not sure of their quality etc though....

[djbrowney]

have you droped steve boy slim a pm because im sure he will be able to help you out !

[Count Vaux Alot]

have you droped steve boy slim a pm because im sure he will be able to help you out !

Very good idea Mr browney i had forgotten about steve boy slim i will do that and see cheers :thumb:

[djbrowney]

i have pm'd you his number he loves a good natta lol

[ashley_m]

nice thread

[Count Vaux Alot]

i have pm'd you his number he loves a good natta lol

Cheers again mate + rep and some man love ;)

[discoinferno]

what cams do you plan on running in the engine mate? duration? lift?

turbo t2 hyrbid is it? similar to a fiesta turbo t2/t25 hybrid i had one of them by td and the thing was mental held 20psi all day long and made the good sde of 200bhp in my old ka!

[Count Vaux Alot]

what cams do you plan on running in the engine mate? duration? lift?

turbo t2 hyrbid is it? similar to a fiesta turbo t2/t25 hybrid i had one of them by td and the thing was mental held 20psi all day long and made the good sde of 200bhp in my old ka!

I'm not 100% sure what cams i will be using yet as i need to speak to some one who actually knows what they are on about lol although i think i need something less aggressive than the standard cams (being a small 16v they tend to be a revier engine making the power higher up the rev range) please correct me if i'm wrong here.

The turbo its self is a T25 hybrid (enlarged comp wheel and higher flow comp cover compared to the standard T25 but with a smaller A/R turbine housing subisquently being able to move more air with less 'lag') so it should be ideally suited to the application.

[alistairolsen]

The standard cams in the 1600 are VERY mild, x16xe and x16xel cams even more so. I really cant see you needing anything any tamer.

[Count Vaux Alot]

The standard cams in the 1600 are VERY mild, x16xe and x16xel cams even more so. I really cant see you needing anything any tamer.

If thats the case then i will give the standard cams a go (like i said i need to speak to some one who actually knows - i'm not implying that you don't btw :))

Does anyone know were i can aquire a spec sheet for this engine from? thats if such things exist?

[fearless]

Does anyone know were i can aquire a spec sheet for this engine from? thats if such things exist?


What sort of spec's do you need to know ?

What's your engine from - x16xe or x16xel???

I'll have a look at work tomorrow


Dave

[djbrowney]

ok am i having a brain fart here, are you turboing this 1.6 16v as im planing to do exactly the same sometime soon lol

[Count Vaux Alot]

What sort of spec's do you need to know ?

What's your engine from - x16xe or x16xel???

I'll have a look at work tomorrow


Dave

x16xe and anything you can get your hands on lol

[Count Vaux Alot]

ok am i having a brain fart here, are you turboing this 1.6 16v as im planing to do exactly the same sometime soon lol

Yes i'm turboing the 1.6 16v -i'm guessing brain fart means a :tard: moment.

It would be interesting to here what your plans are?

[Count Vaux Alot]

Well after last nights celebrations i didn't feel like complete death so i decided i would actually get on with something! As i've got loads of engine bits lying around i needed some were to put them all, so i thought why not clear up a bit and use my work bench for something other that piling sh!t on.

After several hours of moving bits around i was going no were fast although i did finally get my new old drill/mill into its new position (it was kindly donated to me by my boss result)

here she is

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/modifiedfrontpanel001.jpg

And the bench after much 'tidying' lol

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/modifiedfrontpanel002.jpg

Once i was finished fafing about i did get on with something productive - the front panel modifications.

I cut some steel to shape to fill the hole in the front panel and taked it into position

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/modifiedfrontpanel004.jpg

once happy with its position i welded it home

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/modifiedfrontpanel010.jpg

i haven't done any welding in ages but i didn't come out to badly, hopefully finish this off tomorrow :thumb:

[djbrowney]

Yes i'm turboing the 1.6 16v -i'm guessing brain fart means a :tard: moment.

It would be interesting to here what your plans are?

standard crank
steel rods
corsa vxr pistons (with machined inserts because the gudgen pin is bigger)
head studs
cometic gasket
standard head
standard cams
corsa vxr turbo
manzle powerbox inlet

going to use my emerald from my track car because it has the three stage map system :thumb:

im fairly sure the turbo will fit but i still waiting to find out :thumb:

[Count Vaux Alot]

standard crank
steel rods
corsa vxr pistons (with machined inserts because the gudgen pin is bigger)
head studs
cometic gasket
standard head
standard cams
corsa vxr turbo
manzle powerbox inlet

going to use my emerald from my track car because it has the three stage map system :thumb:

im fairly sure the turbo will fit but i still waiting to find out :thumb:
standard crank - same as me

steel rods - same as me (i assume the crank is different in the corsa vxr so the vxr rods would not fit the 16xe crank??)

corsa vxr pistons (with machined inserts because the gudgen pin is bigger) - are these cheaper/easier to use that omega style pistons? what reason are you using the vxr pistons over standard? lower comp ratio?

head studs - arp?

cometic gasket - same as me

standard head - same as me

standard cams - same as me

corsa vxr turbo - i'm not sure if the spacings on the head ports are the same across both engines? but i'm using a custom tubular manifold and a upgraded T25 for cost reasons.

manzle powerbox inlet - i'm going to go custom here too.

Not sure what variety of management i'm going to use yet?

[djbrowney]

standard crank - same as me

steel rods - same as me (i assume the crank is different in the corsa vxr so the vxr rods would not fit the 16xe crank??)

corsa vxr pistons (with machined inserts because the gudgen pin is bigger) - are these cheaper/easier to use that omega style pistons? what reason are you using the vxr pistons over standard? lower comp ratio?

head studs - arp?

cometic gasket - same as me

standard head - same as me

standard cams - same as me

corsa vxr turbo - i'm not sure if the spacings on the head ports are the same across both engines? but i'm using a custom tubular manifold and a upgraded T25 for cost reasons.

manzle powerbox inlet - i'm going to go custom here too.

Not sure what variety of management i'm going to use yet?

i doubt i will ever see a vxr crank for sale so will stick with the rods to suit the one 16xe crank and have the rods adapted to suit the pistons

yes arp head studs

vxr pistons to lower the c/r and there about £200 new from auto vaux and come in 2 or 3 differnt sizes lol

i may yet end up with a custom manifold being as a good mate makes them lol if so it will get a gt28 ftw :thumb:

[Count Vaux Alot]

i doubt i will ever see a vxr crank for sale so will stick with the rods to suit the one 16xe crank and have the rods adapted to suit the pistons

yes arp head studs

vxr pistons to lower the c/r and there about £200 new from auto vaux and come in 2 or 3 differnt sizes lol

i may yet end up with a custom manifold being as a good mate makes them lol if so it will get a gt28 ftw :thumb:

I wasn't on about the crank from the vxr i meant the rods, i just wondered if you knew if they were available at reasonable cost? and if they would fit the 16xe crank?

Have you spoken to anyone about the machined inserts for the pistons yet? I will go in with you if you don't mind? might even lower the cost having a few more done?

I'm going to get the bits from Gav for the manifold when funds allow and have a crack at it myself, what are you using the engine for?

[djbrowney]

I wasn't on about the crank from the vxr i meant the rods, i just wondered if you knew if they were available at reasonable cost? and if they would fit the 16xe crank?

Have you spoken to anyone about the machined inserts for the pistons yet? I will go in with you if you don't mind? might even lower the cost having a few more done?

I'm going to get the bits from Gav for the manifold when funds allow and have a crack at it myself, what are you using the engine for?

when i enquired about the rods they reckoned they were £90 but couldnt state whether they were for a set of 4 or just 1 (but they did say they always some in sets of 4 :thumb: )

Gaz-d (andy who drives the purple corsa) has said he can get it done at his work reckons people do it all the time apparanlty :tard: his work is spot on he is doing the head for my let at the minute. Im plannig on using this engine in my everyday road car with my leather and a let in my track car :thumb:

The parts for your manifold will come from me aswell lol

[Count Vaux Alot]

when i enquired about the rods they reckoned they were £90 but couldnt state whether they were for a set of 4 or just 1 (but they did say they always some in sets of 4 :thumb: )

Gaz-d (andy who drives the purple corsa) has said he can get it done at his work reckons people do it all the time apparanlty :tard: his work is spot on he is doing the head for my let at the minute. Im plannig on using this engine in my everyday road car with my leather and a let in my track car :thumb:

The parts for your manifold will come from me aswell lol

I knew you and gav were in it together (its not like your sig gives it away either lol) are you going to try the vxr rods or just H beam steel rods like i was on about when you suggested steve?

Would you be happy to get 8 inserts machined and i pay for 4 of them?

What sort of power are you aiming for?

[fearless]

x16xe and anything you can get your hands on lol


A little bit of bedtime reading for you James :thumb:

Spec for a 96 Corsa B

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/x16xe_spec_1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/x16xe_spec_2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/x16xe_spec_3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/x16xe_spec_4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/x16xe_spec_5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/x16xe_spec_6.jpg

[fearless]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/x16xe_spec_7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/x16xe_spec_8.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/x16xe_spec_9.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/x16xe_spec_10.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/x16xe_spec_11.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/x16xe_spec_12.jpg



Enjoy ;)





Dave

[djbrowney]

have you photocopied that fearless wondered if it is possible to get hold of one for the corsa vxr engine ?:thumb:

[fearless]

Printed the info off at work then scanned them all in

If I get chance on Monday - I'll try and do the same with the Corsa VXR engine

[Benn]

Jim, i pulled you can f20 out but the diff plates been off so there's no gasket on it, do you still want it? (you can still buy them)

[djbrowney]

Printed the info off at work then scanned them all in

If I get chance on Monday - I'll try and do the same with the Corsa VXR engine

that would be very helpfull cheers mate :thumb:

[Count Vaux Alot]

Dave thank you very much that is extremely helpful + rep and your a top man for you efforts, i o u favour!
I too would be very interested in the corsa VXR data if you have the time (then it will be two favours lol)

Benn yes mate i still want it the gaskets not an issue cheers

[Benn]

Ok dude, give me a bit as i cant move much at the mo and i'll pull it out for you.

[Adam]

Corsa vxr turbo does fit afaik, exhaust side of the head is identical to c/x16xe

[chrisnovaturbo]

im going to have a corsa vxr turbo for sale soon as im upgrading mine. want £350 for it as its only done 2120 miles lol. its got a -31 actuator on it as well.

[fearless]

wondered if it is possible to get hold of one for the corsa vxr engine ?:thumb:


A few more specs to study - this time the Corsa VXR engine :thumb:

I'll be testing you all at the end of the week lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/vxr_spec_1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/vxr_spec_2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/vxr_spec_3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/vxr_spec_4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/vxr_spec_5.jpg

[fearless]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/vxr_spec_6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/vxr_spec_7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/vxr_spec_8.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/vxr_spec_9.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/fearlessmotorsport/vxr_spec_10.jpg




Dave

[Count Vaux Alot]

im going to have a corsa vxr turbo for sale soon as im upgrading mine. want £350 for it as its only done 2120 miles lol. its got a -31 actuator on it as well.
Cheers Chris but i'm sticking with my original plan for the time being, perhaps Mr Browney might be more interested.



Bit of an update for you tonight boys and girls - after stripping the engine last week (whilst back at home) i decided i would bring a few bits back down south with me for a proper clean up at work.
Unfortunately due to my phone cameras inability to take photos i have no before pics but i'm sure as you all frequent a nova forum you can imagine what sh!t and corruption was stuck to them.

Anyway here is the end result just a few bits that were easy to take with me and clean - degrease, hot wash, shot blast.

Sump

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/enginecleanandrebuild004.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/enginecleanandrebuild002.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/enginecleanandrebuild003.jpg

Inlet, possibly the basis for a custom manifold

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/enginecleanandrebuild006.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/enginecleanandrebuild005.jpg

Ali come up really well

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/enginecleanandrebuild007.jpg

Rack mounts

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/enginecleanandrebuild009.jpg

Alt mounting bracket, thermostat, head water way

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/enginecleanandrebuild008.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/enginecleanandrebuild012.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/enginecleanandrebuild013.jpg

And some other brackets

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/enginecleanandrebuild014.jpg

And the cam cover which i shot blasted by hand (the breather was sealer with tape first so shot would not get in) - the water marks are from a final hot wash i gave it after blowing it out etc to make sure there was no shot etc left at all.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/enginecleanandrebuild016.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/enginecleanandrebuild017.jpg

Mmmmm clean :thumb:

[Jonlem]

Good work James, it only takes time to make things look nice like that, not money. I like your style.

What media are you using to do all that ?

[Count Vaux Alot]

Cheers again Dave

[Count Vaux Alot]

Good work James, it only takes time to make things look nice like that, not money. I like your style.

What media are you using to do all that ?

Cheers JB although these parts are only a small selection of the bits that need cleaning they are part of the bigger picture, i feel cleanliness is important in this situation (some of you may just feel i'm being bufty but no engine builder in their right mind would be knee deep in sh!t when building an engine) so i try to be as clean as possible.

For the cast bits i used stainless steel shot its reasonably fine but quite abbrasive and is applied via a blast machine, for the cam cover i used very fine sand applied via a hand shot cabinet it takes ages but is much less abrasive.

[Adam]

Those shot blasted bits look well. Very nice

[Count Vaux Alot]

I did an xe thermostat housing that was completely fooked just to see what it came out like, its come up well but is heavily pitted were the ali had been eaten

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/enginecleanandrebuild010.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/enginecleanandrebuild011.jpg

[Jonlem]

Nice one mate, really does look great and I totally agree about building engines that aren't covered in 5hit !

[djbrowney]

im going to have a corsa vxr turbo for sale soon as im upgrading mine. want £350 for it as its only done 2120 miles lol. its got a -31 actuator on it as well.

i could be interested but they are only £500 new ;)

dave thanks very much for the data :thumb:

From what i can understand, the vxr rods will fit the xe crank so i think i will be going the standard rod route for me :thumb:

what gear box were you planing on running ???

you just sticking to na now ??? :confused:

[Count Vaux Alot]

i could be interested but they are only £500 new ;)

dave thanks very much for the data :thumb:

From what i can understand, the vxr rods will fit the xe crank so i think i will be going the standard rod route for me :thumb:

what gear box were you planing on running ???

you just sticking to na now ??? :confused:

NA?? no mate i'm using a upgraded T25 (very similar spec to the gt25r - i can supply full spec if your interested) and if the rods and pistons from the vxr fit with little hassle i will be using them also, as for the box i was thinking f20 as its the simplest box to fit that can handle the most torque - i don't know how the f15 would cope and its a bit of a grey area in that most peoples opinion is just try it and see how long it takes for you to funk it (although i would ideally love a small block sccr but i can't justify spending the ££ atm) what box are you using?

[discoinferno]

f20 will cope fine

[alistairolsen]

Why would you want an SCCR box on a turbocharged car? Unless youre buying new with custom ratios?

[djbrowney]

NA?? no mate i'm using a upgraded T25 (very similar spec to the gt25r - i can supply full spec if your interested) and if the rods and pistons from the vxr fit with little hassle i will be using them also, as for the box i was thinking f20 as its the simplest box to fit that can handle the most torque - i don't know how the f15 would cope and its a bit of a grey area in that most peoples opinion is just try it and see how long it takes for you to funk it (although i would ideally love a small block sccr but i can't justify spending the ££ atm) what box are you using?

oh i need to read things properley lol i spoke to auto vaux today the pistons are £220 plus the vat mate :cool: if i cant find a strong small block box i will use an f28 it has been done before iirc :confused: when are you planning on collecting and building your engine ?

[djbrowney]

Why would you want an SCCR box on a turbocharged car? Unless youre buying new with custom ratios?

why wouldnt you want to ??? :thumb:

[Jonlem]

Unless your on a big turbo a sccr would actually be useless.

Most sccr kits have a tiny drop off in revs and on a small turbo that will mean your always out of the powerband, the same could be said for a NA engine too IMO.

There great on engines with a peaky powerband though wether it be FI or NA

[The Simps]

Unless your on a big turbo a sccr would actually be useless.

Most sccr kits have a tiny drop off in revs and on a small turbo that will mean your always out of the powerband, the same could be said for a NA engine too IMO.

There great on engines with a peaky powerband though wether it be FI or NA


Apart from the obvious loss in top end speed, the f20 sccr box worked well on shaun larnders old yellow nova. Was certainly a little quicker up to say 80/90 than mine on f28.

[Jonlem]

You have to remember there are LOADS of ratios available for that box, I would personally like to see 2 identical nova lets, one with a F28 and one with a sccr to prove which is better as from what I have seen they do not suit the powerband a KKK gives a let engine, fair enough if its on a bigger turbo though but I think the gearing on a F28 is just about spot on for a let.

[Count Vaux Alot]

Why would you want an SCCR box on a turbocharged car? Unless youre buying new with custom ratios?

What box would you suggest out of curiosity?

[Jonlem]

IMO A f20 will be ideal, and if not then go down the F28 route, I agree that a F13 or 15 will **** itself which that much torque as even a F20 can struggle with 200lb ft

[Benn]

Good cause he's buying a spare of mine...lol

[Count Vaux Alot]

oh i need to read things properley lol i spoke to auto vaux today the pistons are £220 plus the vat mate :cool: if i cant find a strong small block box i will use an f28 it has been done before iirc :confused: when are you planning on collecting and building your engine ?

lol at reading things properly (i already have my engine) £220 plus vat is a good price (any idea how they will affect the comp in the x16xe? will it be the same as the vxr engine, or is the head different on the vxr engine also?)

Is there a strong small block box? anyone?

I'n not actually sure when i will be building the engine as it depends on funds etc again :( and i want a new tig welder and a trailer.

I would assume an F28 would fit easily enough as i think the F20 isn't an issue, iirc you use the flywheel and clutch for the box you wish to fit?

[djbrowney]

put of the f20 a little for having to sit at high rev's when cruising at a decent speed, this always used to anoy me with my xe. iirc darcy has fitted a f28 on a small block !

[Count Vaux Alot]

Cruising isn't something i plan on doing lol and the F28 is also heavier again and i would have to faf with the mount so an F20 should be fine for now, i can understand the F28 being more attractive for a road car though.

[djbrowney]

lol at reading things properly (i already have my engine) £220 plus vat is a good price (any idea how they will affect the comp in the x16xe? will it be the same as the vxr engine, or is the head different on the vxr engine also?)

Is there a strong small block box? anyone?

I'n not actually sure when i will be building the engine as it depends on funds etc again :( and i want a new tig welder and a trailer.

I would assume an F28 would fit easily enough as i think the F20 isn't an issue, iirc you use the flywheel and clutch for the box you wish to fit?

i need to find out the cc of both heads to see but i would take a wild guess say it would be about right, im after a trailer aswell lol

iirc darcy fitted on but it wasnt very simple i will find out mate :thumb:

[djbrowney]

what gear box is on the vxr ??? im sure its 6 speed ???

[The Simps]

but I think the gearing on a F28 is just about spot on for a let.


I used to love planting my foot in 6th at 80mph, hit overboost and before you know it you're doing 120mph! lol

[Jonlem]

The box "should" bolt straight up surely ? either way you would need a small block clutch with a F28 centre spline which is available from Helix but not off the shelf.

Personally though I totally agree that a F28 will upset the handling too much so I'd try and avoid it if you can.

My F18 took a years worth of abuse with a stock xe and dozens of bottles of gas, I sheared the teeth off it when going airborn and using the magic spray ! Atleast a F18/F20 is dirt cheap to replace and I can't see it causing any issues really with such low power.

Oh and LOL @ Browney moaning about cruising speed of the F20 lol

If you want to cruise at high speed buy something that does it well ! ie: not a nova lol

[Jonlem]

what gear box is on the vxr ??? im sure its 6 speed ???

Yes mate it is, quite short gearing, I had one for a night and me and Gav gave it a thorough road test and were quite impressed with it !

[djbrowney]

well im not using this car for racing or going up the strip its going to be my every day car mate, go to shows with so it got to be sensible lol

i wonder if its small block or big block ???

[Jonlem]

Will be a small block box, have a look through Chris Astleys build as he did originally have one in his.

Sensible ??? that is possibly the funniest thing I have heard so far this year !

[djbrowney]

Will be a small block box, have a look through Chris Astleys build as he did originally have one in his.

Sensible ??? that is possibly the funniest thing I have heard so far this year !


Is that hair round your mouth or do you always talk like a cu*t :cuckoo:

i am looking at it as we speak lol

[Jonlem]

HA HA, surely a 1.8 Astra or a Vectra diesel is considered to be sensible, not a 200hp 1.6 16v Nova LOL

Boys and their toys.

[djbrowney]

HA HA, surely a 1.8 Astra or a Vectra diesel is considered to be sensible, not a 200hp 1.6 16v Nova LOL

Boys and their toys.

owned (think thats twice now lol )
its very sensible compaired to the other nova :tard:
i have to build a car to put my interior in so wtf **** hay lol

get on msn

[Count Vaux Alot]

i need to find out the cc of both heads to see but i would take a wild guess say it would be about right, im after a trailer aswell lol

iirc darcy fitted on but it wasnt very simple i will find out mate :thumb:

Does Darcy have a wip?

There is always the option of keeping the comp ratio higher and running the boost lower. This keeps the boost threshold down iirc

[Count Vaux Alot]

well im not using this car for racing or going up the strip its going to be my every day car mate, go to shows with so it got to be sensible lol

i wonder if its small block or big block ???

If they are small block they are still huge by the looks of them

[alistairolsen]

If youre speccing an SCCR from new then Im sure theres no reason why it wouldnt work, but if youre running a sensible rev limit and have some torque then there is no need to have the gears so close together, which is the main reason people buy SCCR boxes, long first and then 4 really close together. I also doubt on a budget build that you'd be shelling out for a new cluster, so on the basis of a second hand one, IMO the ratios would be all wrong. Theyre also annoying and whiney for no particular gain on a 200bhp engine.

As far as what Id use, Id use the F18/F20 as jonboy suggests, goes straight in, costs 30-50 for a good one, ratios will work well, not too heavy....... Why complicate things!

The VXR had a 6 speed box but the mounts are all over the shop iirc and they wont be light!

can you not built an F20 with a long 5th? Maintain the current ratios to 120mph and then have fifth for cuising only.....

[Count Vaux Alot]

If youre speccing an SCCR from new then Im sure theres no reason why it wouldnt work, but if youre running a sensible rev limit and have some torque then there is no need to have the gears so close together, which is the main reason people buy SCCR boxes, long first and then 4 really close together. I also doubt on a budget build that you'd be shelling out for a new cluster, so on the basis of a second hand one, IMO the ratios would be all wrong. Theyre also annoying and whiney for no particular gain on a 200bhp engine.

As far as what Id use, Id use the F18/F20 as jonboy suggests, goes straight in, costs 30-50 for a good one, ratios will work well, not too heavy....... Why complicate things!

The VXR had a 6 speed box but the mounts are all over the shop iirc and they wont be light!

can you not built an F20 with a long 5th? Maintain the current ratios to 120mph and then have fifth for cuising only.....

I completely agree with the sccr issues here. I said in the first place that i was going for the F20 for the reasons you have mentioned. I also stated i couldn't afford a sccr, especially a new one with the correct ratios so thats out of the question anyway, an F20 will be sound for the moment.

[discoinferno]

F20 F20 F20 F20 F20 F20 F20 F20


:d

clutch wise you'd need the small block flywheel a small block c16 friction plate but with f20 splines... i would assume!

splines are different between the f20 and f28

why not fit an f23 from the astra gsi turbos? 5 speed lighter than the f28 but will cope with anything your 1600 will ever throw at it can be bought for 80-100

[alistairolsen]

why not fit an f23 from the astra gsi turbos? 5 speed lighter than the f28 but will cope with anything your 1600 will ever throw at it can be bought for 80-100

Because the F23 has strange mounts, the f20 is strong enough and the F23 shares splines with the F28

Clutch plates:

C16xe - 200 x 18 x 14
C20xe - 228 x 20.5 x 24
Mk2 astra 1.7TD - 200 x 20.5 x 24.................

C20LET - 228 x 24 x 14 (shared with the astra 2.2 and 1.8 (F23))


No standard 200mm clutch with this centre is available to my knowledge

[Jonlem]

As I mentioned Helix do them, I've had one made before for a friend.

[alistairolsen]

You can get anything at a cost, but personally for 200bhp and less torque than a let Id be using a 50 quid F20 box and a motorfactors clutch kit for 60 quid as opposed to 100 quids worth of F23 and a Helix organic plate.

[Benn]

Oh that's al most my spec^

[Jonlem]

If he uses a F20 he will have to have a clutch plate modified as their is no off the shelf item to fit a 16xe flywheel and F20 splines

[The Simps]

If I understand Ali's post right he's saying that an astra 1.7TD clutch would fit?

[alistairolsen]

Id certainly be prepared to try a 16xe cover with a TD pressure plate

[Count Vaux Alot]

Id certainly be prepared to try a 16xe cover with a TD pressure plate

So thats a 16xe friction plate and TD pressure plate? I'm guessing by your previous answer about torque that there shouldn't be any issues with slip using this set up?

[djbrowney]

So thats a 16xe friction plate and TD pressure plate? I'm guessing by your previous answer about torque that there shouldn't be any issues with slip using this set up?

other way round mate lol

a bloke i sold a small block engine who does auto grass used a f20 aswel there most be something :confused:

[Count Vaux Alot]

other way round mate lol

Thats why i asked as alistairolsen said 'Id certainly be prepared to try a 16xe cover with a TD pressure plate'

Its TD friction and 16xe pressure plate then

[djbrowney]

Thats why i asked as alistairolsen said 'Id certainly be prepared to try a 16xe cover with a TD pressure plate'

Its TD friction and 16xe pressure plate then

yes mate :thumb:

[Jonlem]

Apparently its the flywheel, not friction plate. Something like a Isuzu flywheel or something

Nova TD runs a normal GTE clutch as they use a F15 gearbox

[alistairolsen]

My apologies "c16xe pressure plate (cover) and nova TD friction plate.

I see no reason to change the flywheel? afaik people do that when they want to run a 2.0 8v on an F13 or F15.....

[Jonlem]

Sorry my mistake, your right about the flywheel. Td friction plate is the same as any other small block fitment clutch and iirc the input shaft on a f20 doesn't suit any small block clutch so its a case of going custom.

Its been years since i had all thoe sort of parts kicking around though so i cant check but i am sure its not that straight forward although its not a major issue to sort

[Count Vaux Alot]

So we still arn't any clearer on this one which, is a pain as i was hoping there would be a cheaper and easier solution to this (like there ever is lol)

Some of the 1.7 na corsas diesels use small block gearboxes and the cav 1.7td use big block box so could i fit the fly and clutch from a cav td? Not sure if the bolt pattern on the 1.7isuzu engine is the same as the 1600 16v thought??

[djbrowney]

the z16ler/leh gasket turned up today and it fits the x16xe head bonus lol

thats a standard vxr turbo im going for lol

[Count Vaux Alot]

the z16ler/leh gasket turned up today and it fits the x16xe head bonus lol

thats a standard vxr turbo im going for lol

Thats a result dude and the standard vxr turbo is very tempting as it means less hassle - no manifold construction, a straight forward fit (ish) reasonably priced and off the shelf but that manifold looks really restirctive see here (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180423604820&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)and i think they run out of puff at 220 bhp so i'm stuck here :confused: need to have a think about what to do.

What power were you looking for from your engine?

[djbrowney]

im only hoping for about 200bhp mate should be good fun, the turbo's are only £500 new :)

[Count Vaux Alot]

im only hoping for about 200bhp mate should be good fun, the turbo's are only £500 new :)

I'm looking for similar power too. So we will see, like i said i will have to have a think and a price up on parts - i've been in contact with Borg Warner today to see what price i can get the vxr unit for through work, but vauxhall turbos tend to be cheap from the main dealer.

[craig green]

All this talk of flywheels, I believe an 1800 8v flywheel will mate a smallblock motor to a big block box.

[Count Vaux Alot]

All this talk of flywheels, I believe an 1800 8v flywheel will mate a smallblock motor to a big block box.

lol using which clutch?

[alistairolsen]

Like I said, Id try your standard flywheel, with your existing pressure plate and take your friction plate down to your local factors. So long as the friction material is the same thickness youll be fine.

That said Id probably use a nova gsi flywheel which is the same pattern but flat and lighter.

[Jonlem]

Alistair, do you know if the input shafts on a F20 and a F13/F15 are the same then ?

And ditto on the flywheel

[alistairolsen]

I posted the clutch splines on page 191..


C16xe - 200 x 18 x 14
C20xe - 228 x 20.5 x 24
Mk2 astra 1.7TD - 200 x 20.5 x 24.................

C20LET - 228 x 24 x 14 (shared with the astra 2.2 and 1.8 (F23))

The F20 input shaft is 20.5mm diameter with 14 splines. The C16xe flywheel and pressure plate are for a 200mm diameter friction plate. The 1.7TD has a 200mm diameter friction plate and the same spline pattern as te F20 box. Being vauxhall Id wager the thickness of the friction material will be the same.

[Jonlem]

I would now usually add the 007 smylee for that !

Totally missed that post, good info Ali ;)

[Count Vaux Alot]

Thanks for your help and the information chaps its much appreciated - i will certainly give the TD friction plate a try.

I will also have a hunt for a nova GSI flywheel, has anyone got one?

[Count Vaux Alot]

1.7 TD clutch ordered lol

[Count Vaux Alot]

So i've had a little time on the nova today but it was only a little time as i had a cv joint to change on my passat. I picked up some cheap corsa vxr parts during the week (consisting of 3 corsa vxr pistons and con rods the 4th is funked, one corsa vxr inlet manifold with injectors and rail, and one corsa vxr turbo)

I know i mentioned before that i would be using custom inlet and exhaust but for the time being these bits are easier, quicker and cheaper as i really want to get this car sorted and have limited time due to living so far away from it - should still see 200bhp though!

Any way some pics

the pistons

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/1600turbo001.jpg

Small

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/1600turbo002.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/1600turbo003.jpg

Here is the vxr piston compared to the original xe item, xe's on the right

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/1600turbo013.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/1600turbo014.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/1600turbo015.jpg

Here's the inlet - unfortunately it's not a straight fit as the holes don't line up for the mounting bolts and it would mean loosing the water ways for the heaters etc so i'm not sure if i will use it. even if i don't its no great loss.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/1600turbo011.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/1600turbo012.jpg

And finally here is the turbo which, does fit a treat all the mounting holes are the same! However there are still a couple of issues that need sorting.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/1600turbo009.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/1600turbo004.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/1600turbo006.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/1600turbo007.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/1600turbo005.jpg

Issue one - using the standard inlet for the comp cover means space is limited for the top rad hose and the inlet points up into the air and to no were useful

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/1600turbo010.jpg

Issue two - the oil filter is directly in the way of the exhaust out let again nothing major (and i wouls have had to move it for the other turbo anyway) so i will need a filter relocation kit.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/1600turbo008.jpg



So all in all i'm happy with what i have to work with now, i just need to sort the inlet (it could have to be be custom after all) and move the filter.

Onwards!

[Count Vaux Alot]

PS i have the clutch now so i will try that tomorrow if i get time :thumb:

[Adam]

So does the inlet not line up at all???

[Count Vaux Alot]

So does the inlet not line up at all???

All of the actual inlet holes line up and i could re fiddle the bolt holes with some machining but i don't know if i can be arsed lol i would also have to sort out the lack of water way issues as well, like i said i will see how much work it actually needs and go from there.

[Benn]

Nice ic cut out.

[Count Vaux Alot]

Nice ic cut out.

No were near finished yet mate along with 100 other things lol, i may even finish that off tomorrow also.

[The Simps]

Good to see some progress mate. Always good to use as much "off the shelf" items too.

[djbrowney]

what a shame the inlet dosnt fit very well, i thought the oil filter would have to be move but forgot to say.

you put squirter in the block or just leaving as is mate ???

good to see some progress !

[elgan]

without reading your whole thread.. are you turbo charging a 1.6 16v small block?

if so what do you plan to run for your internal components? i plan to turbo a x18xe1 for my nova build. bottom ends are very similar, would be interesting to read what you plan

[Count Vaux Alot]

Good to see some progress mate. Always good to use as much "off the shelf" items too.
I'm happy to see something happening with it too, the off the shelf parts should speed the process somewhat and they were much cheaper too :thumb:



what a shame the inlet dosnt fit very well, i thought the oil filter would have to be move but forgot to say.

you put squirter in the block or just leaving as is mate ???

good to see some progress !
The inlet is a pain as it would have been perfect but thats life it may work but its probably too much hassle. i think the oil squirter's would be a good idea, do you know what your mate would charge roughly?
The oil filter isn't an issue really as it would have needed relocating either way plus it gives another option for the oil feed for the turbo, as you can get remote oil filter kits with multiple sensor ports in them as i'm sure your aware.



without reading your whole thread.. are you turbo charging a 1.6 16v small block?

if so what do you plan to run for your internal components? i plan to turbo a x18xe1 for my nova build. bottom ends are very similar, would be interesting to read what you plan

I'm afraid i can't answer your question until you sit down and read the whole thread this very minute. lol

Seriously though yes i am turbo charging a 1.6 16v small block, for the internal engine components i'm using standard crank, corsa vxr pistons and rods (photo's on the previous page) standard head and cams with corsa vxr turbo and some sort of home made inlet at this point :)

[Rick Draper]

Brownie get jay to make you a inlet for it fpmsl

[djbrowney]

i would rather eat razer blades lol

[nova_niek]

Good to see some progress mate. Always good to use as much "off the shelf" items too.
This is so true! :)

Slightly on and off topic: the BMW 316i we have will receive a decent engine when the 1600 8v (200k+ miles and still not burning any oil!) finally expires. Some research has proven that Beemer engines and ancillaries are nice and modular - an M62B44 (that's a 286bhp 32v 4.4 litre V8 from a 540i) is less bother to fit than a LET with a F28 tranny in a Nova.

...anyway, keep sharing the VXR parts interchangability (nice word) knowledge with us mister Count!

Cheers,
Niek

P.S. subscribed! :thumb::thumb::thumb:

[elgan]

excellent project i forgot to add earlier

i know the meriva vxr is largely based on the 1.8 engine, although 1600cc.

the 1.6 rods will go into the 1.8engine and pistons too.

i read they sell the corsa vxr pistons in 3 sizes, but i doubt big enough to go in the std 1800 bore?

after reading about your vxr turbo fitment, i will get a 1.6 and 1.8 small block exhaust manifold gasket up tomorrow to compare ;)

[Adam]

A vxr turbo will fit the 1.8 head as it has the same exhaust ports afaik.

Pretty sure Lee303 on Mig uses his old 1600 16v 4-2-1 manifold on his 1800 now

[craig green]

Indeed. I thought the gaskets were used for reference a few pages back in this thread..?

[gary_808]

excellent project i forgot to add earlier

i know the meriva vxr is largely based on the 1.8 engine, although 1600cc.

the 1.6 rods will go into the 1.8engine and pistons too.

i read they sell the corsa vxr pistons in 3 sizes, but i doubt big enough to go in the std 1800 bore?

after reading about your vxr turbo fitment, i will get a 1.6 and 1.8 small block exhaust manifold gasket up tomorrow to compare ;)

IRC little end's are different size between vxr lump(19mm) and 1800/x16xe (18mm)

exhaust manifold will bolt on to 1800 but need to slot bottom stud holes.

[elgan]

would be ok with corsa vxr rods too?

your the second person to confirm that gary, sweet.

whats the size of a corsa vxr std piston CVA?

[peester]

Pretty sure Lee303 on Mig uses his old 1600 16v 4-2-1 manifold on his 1800 now

not a direct fit tho.. needs moving about..

[Count Vaux Alot]

We i didn't get anywhere close to actually working on the car today :mad: although the clutch seems like it will work, it fits the standard flywheel and pressure plate.

[gary_808]

would be ok with corsa vxr rods too?

your the second person to confirm that gary, sweet.

whats the size of a corsa vxr std piston CVA?
don't know if they'll do the right size,
but the compression height will be all wrong because the 1.8 has a low compression height to make room for the extra stroke, so won't work.

[alistairolsen]

All looking good as usual, turbos a bit of a faff, but workable and like you say, the inlet is no great loss anyway. I do wonder if the vxr head would swap over too tho.

Glad the plate fits, just need to bolt it up with the box and check it releases but I dont forsee any problems.

VXR rods look nice and chunky compared to the 16xe ones!


This is so true! :)

Slightly on and off topic: the BMW 316i we have will receive a decent engine when the 1600 8v (200k+ miles and still not burning any oil!) finally expires. Some research has proven that Beemer engines and ancillaries are nice and modular - an M62B44 (that's a 286bhp 4.4 litre V8 from a 540i) is less bother to fit than a LET with a F28 tranny in a Nova.

...anyway, keep sharing the VXR parts interchangability (nice word) knowledge with us mister Count!

Cheers,
Niek

P.S. subscribed! :thumb::thumb::thumb:


The are modular, but the V8 is mounted upright and all the inline engines inlcined. Therefore you need a v8 box to go with the engine and manual V8 boxes are like hens teeth.

AFAIk the engine and box go in easy enough, but the steering column touches one of the manifolds on rhd cars and the brake servo is hellish tight too. Certainly a workable conversion though.

[tony k]

hello mate looking good with the bits you have got,did you get intouch with the guy who does the inlets

[Count Vaux Alot]

No mate i haven't as yet due to a lack of fundage for a change.

Does anyone know what throttle body would be best to use? original 16xe or 20xe etc?

[djbrowney]

well a cav/vectra v6 would be to big but a 2.0 8v would probaly be good !

[scott.parker]

No mate i haven't as yet due to a lack of fundage for a change.

Does anyone know what throttle body would be best to use? original 16xe or 20xe etc?

My mates e16se 8v turbo use's a golf mk3 2L 8v TB (IIRC)

Scott

[Count Vaux Alot]

Bit of an update - i decided to hybrid the vxr turbo as i had some spare time at work in the week heres a quick sneek peek of the comp cover on the lathe, more to follow when i have some better pics :thumb:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DSC00597.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/DSC00598.jpg

[djbrowney]

can you do that to mine when i get it hehe lol pretty please

[Adam]

Its handy when you can do stuff like that yourself! :cool:

[Count Vaux Alot]

can you do that to mine when i get it hehe lol pretty please
I told you i could sort you a turbo out i'm sure i could do the same for an upgrade at a reasonable cost :thumb:

Anyway as promised here is a few more pics of the upgrade - as luck should have it we were taking a few compressor covers to be machine bead polished for work so i slipped mine in just for good measure and fook me did it come out well!

The polished finish is achieved by the high frequency vibration of stainless steel beads apparently - no messy buffing involved Benn! I did do some prep on the casting before hand although they do turn out well with out and pre at all.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010054.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010053.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010055.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010057.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010058.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010060.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010061.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010062.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010082.jpg

[Count Vaux Alot]

Now the shiny bits are out the way here are some details on the upgrade:

Basically i have gone for a simple compressor wheel upgrade allowing for more mid range torque and a bit more at the top end as well as the obvious power increase that a higher flowing comp wheel offers.
Another beneficial factor is i could achieved the same power as a standard vxr with lower boost pressure due to the increased ability of the new comp wheel over the standard wheel, or more power at the same boost pressure :D

Here is the standard vxr compressor wheel, its a fairly new design of wheel with a cut back skirt and is capable of flowing 190 bhp easily and 220 bhp at its upper limits

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010064.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010068.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010071.jpg

And here is the upgraded comp wheel - its basically and audi TT 225 bhp wheel so its well capable of flowing 225 bhp and would probably see 300 bhp with higher boost

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010065.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010069.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010070.jpg

To put things in to perspective here are the two compressor wheels side by side, vxr on the left TT on the right

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010066.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010067.jpg

Its clear to see by eye how much larger the TT wheel is

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010072.jpg

To finish the upgrade some material needs to be removed from the back plate to accommodate the new larger TT wheel, the shiny ring in the inner circle is were the material was removed from.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010073.jpg

vxr comp wheel

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010074.jpg

TT comp wheel

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010075.jpg

Here is the vxr wheel in the compressor cover, you can see how much the compressor cover inlet has been enlarged to fit the TT wheel.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010078.jpg

An the new larger TT wheel nice and snug

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010079.jpg

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/Count85/Track%20day%20nova/redophotosforfolksy2010076.jpg

[Benn]

Looks very pretty, i've seen stuff polished in that way before.. Sadly its not something you can do at home..

[djbrowney]

look very very good buddy

[The Simps]

I so have no idea what all this turbo larky all means. Looks nice tho! I thought you weren't worried about bufty?

[djbrowney]

when it's probaly free who gives a **** lol

[Count Vaux Alot]

when it's probaly free who gives a **** lol

Technically i got paid for doing it :d

[Adam]

Top work/pics mate!!

So are you keeping the same turbine wheel, just fitted a larger comp wheel?

Looks top notch!

[MK999]

Top work/pics mate!!

So are you keeping the same turbine wheel, just fitted a larger comp wheel?

Looks top notch!

Yeah, a smaller turbine wheel (compared to the full audi unit/the comp wheel) is effectively geared more like 1st gear than 3rd, so for a set amount of exhaust flow it will spin up quicker, so less lag at x amount of boost. From what I understand the upper limit of the pressure the turbo can deliver on that engine will be slightly lower than a standard vxr turbo, because a smaller wheel is effectively less leverage? But it will spool up quicker for anything below it's max boost.

Feel free to correct any of that James, I'm testing my own knowledge as much as I'm answering Adam's question for you lol

[Count Vaux Alot]

Top work/pics mate!!

So are you keeping the same turbine wheel, just fitted a larger comp wheel?

Looks top notch!

Cheers Adam, yer i'm using a standard corsa vxr turbine wheel with a 225bhp audi TT comp wheel.




Yeah, a smaller turbine wheel (compared to the full audi unit/the comp wheel) is effectively geared more like 1st gear than 3rd, so for a set amount of exhaust flow it will spin up quicker, so less lag at x amount of boost. From what I understand the upper limit of the pressure the turbo can deliver on that engine will be slightly lower than a standard vxr turbo, because a smaller wheel is effectively less leverage? But it will spool up quicker for anything below it's max boost.

Feel free to correct any of that James, I'm testing my own knowledge as much as I'm answering Adam's question for you lol

Erm probably lol i think i get what your trying to say.

Not so sure about this bit though?

'From what I understand the upper limit of the pressure the turbo can deliver on that engine will be slightly lower than a standard vxr turbo, because a smaller wheel is effectively less leverage?'

As i'm using the standard vxr turbine wheel with an enlarged comp wheel it can't deliver less pressure than the standard vxr turbo.

[MK999]

As i'm using the standard vxr turbine wheel with an enlarged comp wheel it can't deliver less pressure than the standard vxr turbo.

I figured it would deliver more flow (and earlier too, which is the reason for doing it, to reduce any turbo lag?) but at a lower max pressure? I.E if you closed the wastegate on the vxr turbo and let it just go up to whatever pressure it could manage, it would be higher than your hybrid, as you're turning a larger wheel compressor wheel with the standard size turbine wheel on the hybrid, effectively giving the pressure side of the turbo more leverage to slow the turbine down? Unless i'm overthinking it and it just delivers more air meaning more maximum pressure within the limits of the engine.

[Adam]

It will flow more but take longer to spin up will it not?

[MK999]

It will flow more but take longer to spin up will it not?

Point, I'm probably thinking about it a bit backwards, as I was thinking of it being a smaller turbine wheel on the audi unit than a larger comp wheel on the VXR unit. Probably why my previous posts only sort of make sense lol

It should create the boost earlier though, as it's a larger wheel, despite the fact it will take slightly longer than the vxr unit to spin up to it's max speed, so it should reduce any turbo lag still? I'm assuming that the slight in slightly longer, is near negligible.

[Count Vaux Alot]

I figured it would deliver more flow (and earlier too, which is the reason for doing it, to reduce any turbo lag?) but at a lower max pressure? I.E if you closed the wastegate on the vxr turbo and let it just go up to whatever pressure it could manage, it would be higher than your hybrid, as you're turning a larger wheel compressor wheel with the standard size turbine wheel on the hybrid, effectively giving the pressure side of the turbo more leverage to slow the turbine down? Unless i'm overthinking it and it just delivers more air meaning more maximum pressure within the limits of the engine.

Ok i understand your train of though here, firstly it will deliver more flow for x amount of boost pressure but i think your over thinking. I would have thought the turbo would simply fail before it reached any sort of maximum possible pressure. As you said more air meaning more maximum pressure within the limits of the engine

[Adam]

Its a bigger wheel,so will take longer to spin up to speed=lag?
It will just flow more for the same amount of boost

But yeah, probably hardly noticeable but im no turbo expert.....

[MK999]

Ok i understand your train of though here, firstly it will deliver more flow for x amount of boost pressure but i think your over thinking. I would have thought the turbo would simply fail before it reached any sort of maximum possible pressure. As you said more air meaning more maximum pressure within the limits of the engine

Cool, I wasn't sure whether turbo's often hit their limits or if you go up a size so it remains at a serviceable speed.

Basically the new hybrid will deliver more air at a reliable/steady rate, is my thinking right in that it will come on boost earlier, as it's spinning at roughly the same rate (the 'gearing' for how fast it spins at x revs is basically the A/R on the turbine side?) but obviously the bigger compressor wheel will deliver more air per RPM. It may well even spin up quicker due to the design refinements you pointed out.

Feel free to tell me to shut up and get off your thread with the turbo spam btw, started reading up on it a while ago and found it interesting lol

[Count Vaux Alot]

Its a bigger wheel,so will take longer to spin up to speed=lag?
It will just flow more for the same amount of boost

But yeah, probably hardly noticeable but im no turbo expert.....

Its a bigger comp wheel Adam not a bigger turbine wheel, the turbine wheel does the 'spinning up'.




Cool, I wasn't sure whether turbo's often hit their limits or if you go up a size so it remains at a serviceable speed.

Basically the new hybrid will deliver more air at a reliable/steady rate, is my thinking right in that it will come on boost earlier, as it's spinning at roughly the same rate (the 'gearing' for how fast it spins at x revs is basically the A/R on the turbine side?) but obviously the bigger compressor wheel will deliver more air per RPM. It may well even spin up quicker due to the design refinements you pointed out.

Feel free to tell me to shut up and get off your thread with the turbo spam btw, started reading up on it a while ago and found it interesting lol

A turbo would hit its limit if it were undersized for the engine, but the wastage gate would be opened befor failure. The car would simply feel restricted to drive. If it were simply left to build boost then it would fail - ie over boost failure.

Basically you are now on the right lines with your thinking - The unit that i'm using with the upgrade will spin up at roughly the same speed as the original vxr unit given it has the same housing and turbine wheel, and it will deliver more boost per rpm than the standard unit. In the car the mid range torque should be noticeably improved as well as a bit more punch on the top end.

[The Simps]

I think you're all right in one way or another.

[Adam]

Its a bigger comp wheel Adam not a bigger turbine wheel, the turbine wheel does the 'spinning up'.

Which is attached to a now heavier/bigger comp wheel???



I agree with Simps. Crack on with the project!!! lol

[The Simps]

All I know is that if Carlsberg made Turbo's they'd probably be the best in the world!

[chrisnovaturbo]

All I know is that if Carlsberg made Turbo's they'd probably be the best in the world!

lol

[MK999]

All I know is that if Carlsberg made Turbo's they'd probably be the best in the world!

Never understood that because the beers not that great lol

[corsakid]

really enjoying this thread turbo technology always seems some what of a black art lol its very interesting to see a small part of the process involved in improving or hybriding a turbo!


off topic a little can you recon turbo's?

[mk3-fezza]

sorry to back track a bit but earlier you said about adapting the standard inlet, please dont do this surely you have heard/noticed that this is the most restrictive part of the engine design, gettin a mantzel/mantzel style and then adapting this to fit your turbo surely that would be a better option?:tard:
if not then im blamin all this turbo stuff for frying my brain lol
crack on with it tho its a great read as my mate is turbo'ing his 1.4 later this year :d

[burgo]

ooooo turbo porn

[Count Vaux Alot]

really enjoying this thread turbo technology always seems some what of a black art lol its very interesting to see a small part of the process involved in improving or hybriding a turbo!


off topic a little can you recon turbo's?

I'm really enjoying getting involved with the turbo side of life also as there is so much to learn!

And yes i we do re con turbo's drop me a PM if your interested

[Count Vaux Alot]

sorry to back track a bit but earlier you said about adapting the standard inlet, please dont do this surely you have heard/noticed that this is the most restrictive part of the engine design, gettin a mantzel/mantzel style and then adapting this to fit your turbo surely that would be a better option?:tard:
if not then im blamin all this turbo stuff for frying my brain lol
crack on with it tho its a great read as my mate is turbo'ing his 1.4 later this year :d

I'm not 100% sure what i'm going to do inlet wise yet as its a matter of cash flow atm.

There are a few options one being an adaptation of the original inlet using a custom plenum chamber on top. None of the options involve the whole original inlet so don't worry lol

[djbrowney]

got i bit of bad new incase you havent alreayd tryed your pistons in your block there 0.025 to big so it may need a rebore as i found out today :(

[Count Vaux Alot]

I hadn't tried them mate but thats no real bother - was that the smallest size piston they do?

[The Simps]

I bet it was a nice suprise to find your bits were too big for the intended hole Browney :D

[Count Vaux Alot]

lol lol lol

[The Simps]

** Thought I would just clarify after re-reading my last post! I was implying you have a small todger not that your lovely lady friend has a slack badger **

;)

[djbrowney]

** Thought I would just clarify after re-reading my last post! I was implying you have a small todger not that your lovely lady friend has a slack badger **

;)

For your sake i hope she dosnt read this over my shoulder because it will hurt you more than me lol an is better than the 5 knuckle shuffle your so good at by now im sure lol

count yes mate they come is 3 sizes the 0.5 oversize were about three time the price. i only went to order them today and check the sizes :cry:

[Benn]

** Thought I would just clarify after re-reading my last post! I was implying you have a small todger not that your lovely lady friend has a slack badger **

;)

Rep for that!lol lol lol lol

[pastry]

I did 1 1/2 day to view this topic very, very fast, amazing! My compliments for the work. Cool colour! Good luck!

[djbrowney]

you shouldnt have wasted your time lol lol lol

love you all really lol

[turbo-boy]

great build this nice and interesting,looks like a beast

[paulwar]

epic build!!! just spent the last 4 hous looking at pics alone and reading bits and bob did this ever get finished?

amazing fab work mate top marks for hyour hard work, also what paint did you use to psray car / bottom erms etc etc.?

[crazy_al]

epic build!!! just spent the last 4 hous looking at pics alone and reading bits and bob did this ever get finished?

amazing fab work mate top marks for hyour hard work, also what paint did you use to psray car / bottom erms etc etc.?

lol james did an amazing job on this car and sold it to me just a few months ago, av just parked it up in a container till i sell my corsa c z20 and save up about 10k to finish it haha the paint is nato green like the army tanks n i have a number on a spare tin if ye need it :thumb:

cheers al

[crazy_al]

Wee update lol It's still alive and getting abused regularly [emoji108]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250215/e46bbc9ef10ed774ca977ac74fadd01e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250215/a5bbcc435e3a5ae8b60a02a5a9f8993c.jpg

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[nova_niek]

Love how this is still alive and looking mean [emoji38]

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