My version of a 4x4 nova that will get done!

[dj_wudgey]

Green will NEVER be the new white!! Never ever!!!!

I agree lol nice work there though matey!

[burgo]

that engine looks so right in there :d

[Adam]

Engine looks sweet in the mk1

[bai1ey]

yo porter looking good man if you are about down there wednesday give me a shout i will pop up and show you my new one

[Danny s-p]

that engine look like it came out of the factory with the car. it don't look out of place one bit mate good work

[ste porter]

as burgo and a few others know my green one i have always tryed to keep everything looking as factory as posable with no mods that are obvious and stand out thats why i was going to put a spotless brand new looking gte lump in it so as you can imagine it was a big decision for me to decide wheather to fit a baby valver and take the risk of ruinin the intended factory fitted type styling i wanted

But i think i have managed to pull it of and reading the coments im pleased you got the factory impression i was trying to give thanks guys

[Danny s-p]

have you got all the gte stickers on mate if so can you take some more pic of the car from each side so i no were to put mine thanks

[muzzy]

That engine looks very much at home in that engine bay. You have definitely achieved the factory look with it.

[ste porter]

it isnt a gte shell mate its a 1.2 carb originaly

[Danny s-p]

it fooled me mate look really nice by the way

[Ernie]

good work Ste..

[ste porter]

coilovers finaly arrived from rally design but the muppets have forgot to send the springs i ordered pics on the way

[ste porter]

green nova is booked in for mot at 3.30 today wish it luck

[dj_wudgey]

itl pass the mot p*ss mate!

[ste porter]

should do its like brand new but you never know

[Danny s-p]

has it passed then mate

[ste porter]

yeah advisory on a chip in the window and front tyre getting low thats it

[chrisnovaturbo]

yeah advisory on a chip in the window and front tyre getting low thats it

glad it went ok mate :thumb:

[ste porter]

good news all my conversions are done all my jobs are caught up with so the 4x4 work can now continue so were now back on track

keep an eye on the thread as i will update it in the next day or to and start updating regular again from here on out

[brainsnova]

good times :thumb:

[Benn]

See its in this months tv. (4x4)

[dj_wudgey]

nice mate glad you can work on the 4x4 now!

[ste porter]

ok as promised abit of an update as i have had an hour on it today but first for those that are interested a few of my green one now its back on the road and the other halfs astra with the new wheels also a few pics to give you a taste of whats to come and why you should keep your eyes peeled in the up and coming tv mags

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[vaughanmc]

Green Nova looks well on the 3 spokers :)

[Danny s-p]

i love the green one mate and the astra in orange

[DW-Nova]

How many Vauxhalls in you yard lol, what a collection !!! Best of luck with it all anyhow mate and look forward to seeing future updates :)

[ste porter]

new toys

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done abit more on the bulk head and mountings for the rack then ran out of welding wire
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[SRimon]

The old girl looks great Steve.

Can you not afford to keep it? I fricking love that colour, I wonder who's idea it was that a MK1 would look awesome in it? :P ;)

[ste porter]

there all motors that i have built and or done a substantial amount of work on mate there was surposed to be another 5-6 motors there but not everyone turned up there was more there than that but i only took them pics myself and there not all in that pic

[Adaz_blud]

how much you charge too have a engine put in and all wired up if all the parts are there ?

[ste porter]

cheers sy means alot to hear that a previous owner is impressed with what i have done with it
in regards to keeping it its not money related at all and to be honest i dont think i will get rid its just all it does now is go to pvs which seems a waste to sit in a shed for 11 months of the year but if i dont find someone that wants it and will look after it its no skin of my nose if i keep it

[Connor]

Collection looks great Ste,
The Rio looks sweet as ever :thumb:

[dj_wudgey]

loving the astras and the green nova bud!

[ste porter]

Cheers guys im seriously thinking about starting up on my own as i make all my own mounts and stuff aswell just dont want to jump in feet first and end up like chris astley

[Connor]

Do it Ste,
its clear that you have the skills/mind to do it,
but as you said, don't get over your head and take things slow :)

[dj_wudgey]

Cheers guys im seriously thinking about starting up on my own as i make all my own mounts and stuff aswell just dont want to jump in feet first and end up like chris astley

go for it mate you have the ability!!

[Adaz_blud]

do it you do amazing work i would pay the extra cash to have someone as good as you do my car. :)

[SRimon]

cheers sy means alot to hear that a previous owner is impressed with what i have done with it
in regards to keeping it its not money related at all and to be honest i dont think i will get rid its just all it does now is go to pvs which seems a waste to sit in a shed for 11 months of the year but if i dont find someone that wants it and will look after it its no skin of my nose if i keep it

Nice one buddy.

Looked better on the Speedlines :P

Look forward to seeing it this summer.

[Adam]

Good to see such a tidy engine conversion on the green mk1!!!!!

[ste porter]

thanks mate as i say i wanted an o.e look im glad everyone thinks i have managed it the airbox was a pain

[Southie]

Loving the green one and wish my engine bay looked as tidy, that's the problem with the Mantzel boxes as they make the bay look untidy.

Are you off to billing Ste?

[ste porter]

dont think so but i am doing pvs as usual give me a shout when your leaving billing and drop in and have a nosey yourself if you want im only an hour from billing

[Southie]

Yeah that would be good probably a good end to a decent weekend, cheers :)

[Danny s-p]

thanks mate as i say i wanted an o.e look im glad everyone thinks i have managed it the airbox was a paindo you have any pic of how you got the air box to fit mate

[ste porter]

i cut the bottom of a corsa box level with where the bottom of the filter sits then glassed an acrlic sheet to the bottom to esentialy make the air box flat bottomed and 2 inches deep i then cut the front out and glassed an element from a cut up cone filter in the hole wher i cut the front off
this way i get the induction noise and retain an o.e look to the bay

its the little things like that that you dont see very often because people would rather just throw a cone filter on when they realise a standard air box wont fit rather than engineer a way of making it fit
its the little things like that that give it the factory look and that i am pleased with the most

[Adaz_blud]

you gonna start up a little buissness or something then ?

[ste porter]

had a spare hour or 2 today so i got abit more done

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[Spudly]

Ste you got some properly good skills mate thats some really really fcuking good welding/fab work:thumb:

[tony k]

looking good ste as always keep it up,did you get my pm

[Nick J]

Cracking Fab skills ste. :)

Nick.

[Benn]

Awesome fab work there dude.

[SRimon]

Cracking work, the frame as it is now i'm beginning to see how it goes together!

[ste porter]

the more i look at it the more i see needs doing its realy starting to drag out abit now but if i can get a few hours every other day theres no reason why this shouldnt be driveable at the back end of september not finished but driveable

[burgo]

gonna start looking seriously proper once the panels are in

[muzzy]

Top work, some excellent fabrication skills.

[calibra-keith]

i probably want far from you on Saturday i would of liked to have good look at this.

[ste porter]

done a little more today not alot though as i had a full exhaust system to make and fit on a mates nova and a universal back box to put on a 306!

Striped the cav sofa of the 5 stud 4x4 subframe and put the nova on its side and welded all the underneath up

also went and got all the sheet metal for the floor ect and had it cut to size and shape.

also who said it would be heavy? i picked it up on my own and theres not much more structural stuff to go in and yet it took 4 of us to pick a striped gte shell on its side

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[daverobson]

Good work, as said the fabrication looks amazing!

[Spudly]

Although i loves ya Ste, and this project is cool, it still makes me sad that you killed a cav :cry:

[ste porter]

if the rust bug didnt eat it i wouldnt have killed it spud you know that. when the sill litteraly falls of with the skirt and thats the good bit its passed it dont you think?lol
if i seel the green nova soon i may be buying another cav turbo any way

[burgo]

thats underside shot gives me ****ing wood!!!! properly awesome

[Sloth]

i feel honoured that ive seen this in the metal, and its amazing...

[ste porter]

i have made up my mind aswell i am going to do less driving now and more private work services repairs and custom work and hopefully build a buisness out of it in the long term so without making it sound like an advert if anybody needs anything doing get in touch

[ste porter]

theres not actualy that much structural stuff left realy now just rear suspension triangulating it all cage and front engine mount as im not going to use the chassis leg conventional mount im going off the front cross member and a few bits on the front end like moving the turrets out ect other than that its all pannel work then blasting whoop whoop

[Spudly]

without making it sound like an advert if anybody needs anything doing get in touch


You dont need to say anything to sound like an advert mate, the speed you crack on with stuffs and the skill of the fab and weld work in this thread alone is an advert for your skill, any gen on a PNG discount then lol

[ste porter]

im sure i can sort something mate lol

thing is if i had a full day every day and the cash just sat in a pile to do it i think i could finish this in about 5 weeks!

im only getting about 6 hours a week at the min if im lucky so i just make the most of what time i get

[Spudly]

From what ive seen you do a hell of a lot in the time you have, i just wish i had some funds to send my nova your way for welding before she rots away:cry:

[brainsnova]

spudly time for bed lol ste after all the weldings done are you getting it blasted or dipped to freshen up all the metal?

[ste porter]

blasted mate

[Lee]

You dont need to say anything to sound like an advert mate, the speed you crack on with stuffs and the skill of the fab and weld work in this thread alone is an advert for your skill, any gen on a PNG discount then lol
He meand without having to pay for trader status ;) But we've spoken about that already so its in the pipeline.

[dj_wudgey]

this 4x4 will be awesome!! the work is top mate!!

[Adam]

Looking fooking awesome!!!

[ste porter]

done a little more this evening

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[craig green]

Thats coming along leaps & bounds Ste.

[ste porter]

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[Southie]

This is awesome Ste loving the fast progress/updates but your making it look far too easy. I think you should build another as you'll get bored soon lol

[ste porter]

lol you want one building then mate?

[burgo]

i so want this

[ste porter]

i recon that if someone payed me to build one (instead of going to work) and i had 5 full days a weeki think i could put another one together in about 6 weeks! (shhell that is ready to take an engine box and running gear)

i know where to go with it now what to do and what not to do to make life easier and save time also most of it i have been noting angles,sizes,lengths and dimensions ect so i dont think a shell would take long at all now

[ste porter]

start saving then burgo as once its done im going to run it for a year then sell it to fund a rear wheel drive saloon and the 325 m sport im riding round in at the minute is going to donate its straight 6 and running gear for that one

[Southie]

lol you want one building then mate?
How much APR for one lol

Just a thought on this but how will you go about insuring this? Will it only be for strip runs/track days??

[ste porter]

kit car insurance specialists:thumb:

[burgo]

i assume you gonna need an iva?

[ste porter]

yeah it will but im hoping i can keep it on either my cav or nova plate

[boyle_46]

excellant fabrication work ste , looking good :d

[novashed]

really cool project going on, weld tastic!

[wiseboy]

great work mate

[Mboasty]

great work ste, bet your getting through plenty of welding gas & mig wire!
I drive class 2 hgv who do you drive for? are you class 1 hgv? what wagon are you driving, hope its a scania.

[ste porter]

class 1 mate and i have a daf or did have lol got a different one now

[Mboasty]

i drive a daf, im going to do my class 1 soon so i can get my scania topline!;) 500 bhp here we come! so what happend to ya daf then? there was somthing about it earlier in the thread but i couldent view the link.

[dave beety]

looking good shag cant wait to see it done :)

[SR-Rally]

Great project. Very impressive skills!!! When are you hoping to have it finished? Or is it as an when :D

[Brodie_Sri]

top work there ste best of luck to you:thumb:

[stupot89]

he put it on its side down a ditch had a lucky escape

[Cle]

Any more updates on this :)

[Cassidy16v]

Theres some wrk gone it to this! a proper tool!

[ste porter]

yes mate my update is its still sat exactly how it was in the last pics but with the adition of some extra dust lol

its been put aside untill pvs is over and done with once thats out the way its crack on time again

[Ernie]

good work mate.cant wait to see this all done..

[Nova_again]

Any progress on this mate?

[paulwar]

amazing wok mate!!!! question thickness box, sheet u using and invest in a plasma cutter would save u ages cutting ewith a 9 inch grinder!!!!!!

got a spare shell int he yard... I wonder lol ;)

[Plug]

Not another Dreamer wanting to make a 4x4 nova :) lol

Need updates now mate Pvs is long gone haha

Did the green one sell on ebay? its disapeared from my list

[ste porter]

i have always been a dreamer joe pmsl
updates shortly the green nova has gone and im of to a kit car show today hopefully to get some bargins and ideas for it eyes peeled progress will start and be very swift again very soon

oh and regards to box used ect if anything its over engineered and if you have to question it imo you havent fully understoods the way its beeing built if its built in the right way the same piece of steel can be made 10 times stronger via triangulation ect also you have got to think about impacts ect because i will stack it at some point
is that grade steel too thin for a kit car?

[ste porter]

done abit more today it finaly has rear suspension well on the passenger side any way

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[Tommy_nova]

Good work ste great skills really cant wait to see this done :)

[Danny s-p]

all i have to say is WOW

[Lee]

Awesomeness :)

[scott.parker]

That rear turret looks tricky, you'll need to make sure that is bang on, and make sure the other is an exact mirror of it, and placed correctly to keep the car in a straight line, seams allot of bother really, was there no "essayer" route?

Still looks cracking though.

Scott

[Lee]

make sure the other is an exact mirror of it, and placed correctly to keep the car in a straight line

Its trailing arm suspension, wont matter if the strut tops are a bit wonky, wont make a difference to the track.

Although this is Ste, they will be tolerenced by half a mil lol

[scott.parker]

Fair enough, just looks very daunting to me lol

[claire6069]

the rear turret has no control over the direction of which the wheel is pointing at all its all dictated via the subframe all the turret is is a replacement for the standard calibra/cav spring

do cav springs dictate the toe of the rear wheels?

and its not tricky at all mate hardest part of making them was fitting a new cutting disk in my chop saw lol

also the last pic is of all the bits ready to put the other side together i made all the bits for both sides at the same time so when i get back from work tomorrow an hour down there and i should have a fully rolling 4x4 nova shell

dont mean that to sound arsey by the way just read through it and it sounded snappy sorry
by the way its steve im just logged in on claires at the min

[claire6069]

the other reason for me doing it like that will become obvious tomorrow but bare in mind it all needs sealing off and boxing round and like this i can keep the mounting bolt for the top inside the car because i wouldnt be able to access the top bolt otherwise

[Lee]

You want some crab-tasticness, you wait till I start cabletieing mine together lol

[claire6069]

lol mine should be straight (famous last words) pmsl

[scott.parker]

Well i should of guessed you knew what you were doing, I'll just watch from now on... lol

[scott.parker]

You want some crab-tasticness, you wait till I start cabletieing mine together lol

Now this i can believe! lol

[Benn]

Awesome work on the coilover mount.

[claire6069]

like i say sorry if that sounded snappy i ment no offence at all mate but yeah it will be a perfect mirror image ilike spud said i have got high tollerances on this one

[Lee]

like i say sorry if that sounded snappy i ment no offence at all mate but yeah it will be a perfect mirror image ilike spud said i have got high tollerances on this one

Yeah you did, you're an emotional mess. :d

And I am not Spud lol

[The Simps]

Liking the work. Thumbs up.

[claire6069]

lol lee, he said change your avatar, he was trying to multitask and he failed lol

[Nova_Sean]

And I am not Spud lol

Ouch on you lee!!

[BRoadGhost]

Hmmm you think the rear will be low enough on it?

[craig green]

Good stuff Ste. I like it.

[claire6069]

Hmmm you think the rear will be low enough on it?

he says bear in mind that the wheel is well in the arch line as it is and hes still got 3 inches to drop on the coilovers if he wants it (hes playing cod lol)

[Sloth]

not trying to step on toes but will the rear shock mounts be triangularly braced?

[ste porter]

yes mate give me time lol
ther also going to be a brace point for part my cage and braced to each other aswell as beeing triangulated and tied into the bar you can see running above it but all in good time my friend im only 1 man and a full time job lol

[bmw156]

completely of subject ste, i noticed you have a white "trolley" which you had your steel on, is this an old medical couch base lol. as it looks alot like mine in my WIP

[Plug]

looking good :thumb:

[stupot89]

like this alot ste

[Mike]

Top stuff :thumb:

LOL at the Lager flag.....

[Huffy]

hello mate ive just read your gte rebuild hope all goes to plan on this one that was a real shame what happen to you and your mate but like some of the lads said at least your alive.

enough said on that this project all looks spot on i wish that i could weld think im goin to learn lol am really lookin forward to seeing the finished result respect mate :thumb:

[ste porter]

completely of subject ste, i noticed you have a white "trolley" which you had your steel on, is this an old medical couch base lol. as it looks alot like mine in my WIP

yes mate its the base of a hospital bed my shell li

[ste porter]

completely of subject ste, i noticed you have a white "trolley" which you had your steel on, is this an old medical couch base lol. as it looks alot like mine in my WIP

its the base of a hospital bed my shell is on it to be wheeled around lol

[Spudly]

Yeyyy, more progress, good stuffs Ste keep at it mate!


And Lee you need to change your avatar if people are thinking youre me:p

[ste porter]

been at work sinse 5 am so not done alot just mirrored what i did yesterday got the back end back on the floor without axel stands for the first time in months the basics of the back end are nearly done at last whoop whoop


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the bolts for the shocks are not staying there just thrown in untill i get my spacers ect

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[SR-Rally]

Looking good :D what wheels you going to use? I know bit early to start thinking about that :) but just wondering

[ste porter]

thinking along the lines of 18 inch by 8.5 - 9 inch wide what though is another question something like hockenhiemes (sp) i would think

[bmw156]

progress looks great
whats your target weight?

and why so big wheels?

[ste porter]

so i can run 265 tyres

[Lee]

Camber looks iffy on the front :)


looking awesome!

[bmw156]

so i can run 265 tyres
surly there are rims available which are like 13's or 15's which are super wide.

edit, http://www.roughtrax4x4.com/?doc=16&cid=563&vid=971

just had a look, not a super good tyre i doubt, but available.
less weight with a small wheel :)

[ste porter]

but they wont accept brakes with a disk at 380 mm or bigger and 6 pot calipers

[bmw156]

lol ok thats a fair point.

keep up the good work

[ste porter]

besides i have got the room there are down sides to big rims but to be fair 4 tyres at 265 wide and 18 inch should give a good surface contact area and at the end of the day the point of the whole thing is to find the maximum amount of grip and hammer it with as much power as the grip can handle

[bmw156]

yeh i agree.

whats the sole purpose of this vechile, it is drag strip?

[Plug]

top work mate :thumb:

wish i had the fab skills to pull something like this off :)

purpose is TOTB i reckon lol mini bashing time

[Ernie]

very nice progress mate.

[ste porter]

to beat tat tosser in the twin engined mini estate lol
no its not just strip mate planning on doing track days wih it aswell as beeing on the road aswell

could use it for shoping or delivery driving for the local curry house lol

[stupot89]

fastest curry in lincon lol

[burgo]

excellent update, looking lush

[ste porter]

got passenger rear inner arch sorted

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[djbrowney]

slicks that wide are going to be expensive lol

its gonna do a fookin great wheelie lol

[craig green]

F'kin LOL.

that for giggles surely?

[AlexW]

Any 6 wheeled nova gen? lol

Progress is goood, loving it.

[ste porter]

reason there that wide is because i have got to cut them back to shape when i fit my outter arches as im not using the wide arch kit i got im going to step standard rear quater pannels out by 3 inches

there also that big because i nackered my air shears and couldnt be bothered to disk it down abit more before i did it as i have only got to cut it back more and shape it when i fit the quaters any way

[The Simps]

Good work mate. This something very satisfying about tubs.

[burgo]

i dare you to weld two steelies together and try and get it to wheelie lmfao

[ste porter]

transit twin wheel axel it is then lol

[stupot89]

lol looking good

[craig green]

tut tut. You should get that banner down mate, some good ad placement for REGAL there.

[ste porter]

its covering the crap under the bench up makes the place look tidyer and it was borrowed from a recent event lol

[saloonwoody]

any idea how much this is gonna weigh ?

[The Simps]

429kgs

[BRoadGhost]

Yeah in additional weight X_X - But fcuk me it'll be stronger than any 5* NCAP sh1te rolled off a modern production line. Welcome to my world…

[ste porter]

i have been asked the weight question so many time now its unreal it will be less than a ton its stupidly light now still people seem to see box section and see weight is a kit car heavy?

i can still pic the back end up on my own and i rolled it on its side on my own and i couldnt do that as a standard shell

it will be heavier than it was before im exspecting around 70 killos more and thats mainly the transfer box and diff thats sgoing to be adding the weight but there is another advantage in that the weight is beeing more evenly distributed across the car aswell

chassis wise i dont think i will be putting in much more than what i have taken out belive it or not

also bare in mind fiberglass wings carbon bonnet fiberglass hatch fiberglass bumpers and seats minimal wiring no extras that arnt needed at all alloy tank light wheels possably fiberglass roof skin no inner door skins the rear inner quaters no longer exist 1 mm floor skins as apose to double skinned shaped 1.6mm standard floor ect ect ect

i think the weight will surprise a few

also best part of 500 horse and absolute minimal traction issues its not going to be slow

[bmw156]

i think the reason i asked about the weight, is that i dont see the point in doing all this great work, to have a car which is heavier then its standard counterpart. i know your doing it for the 4x4 goodness. but why not build a kitcar with 4x4 and have alot less weight.

and as for the metal, i can see alot of metal going in, but then i think people under estimate the weight on normal car floor plans etc.

p.s how many 5kg reals of welding wire have you gone through! welding this car.

keep up the good work :)

[ste porter]

im not on 5kg reels mate im on 20 kgs and i havnt got through 1 yet

in regards to the kit car thing a kit car is a kit car a 4x4 nova hasnt been done and finished in the way that im doing it and using vauxhall running gear to my knowledge

pluss its just my way of taking my car futher than i could before i got to the point where it was a silly spec and only minor things left i could mess with so i decided to take it to a higher level than most wouldnt even attempt to consider doing for various reasons

if you have ever been out in a 300bhp + nova at any sort of speed above about 135 - 140 you would know abit of extra weight realy wont be a bad thing any way

[bmw156]

i do credit you on doing the project, a 4x4 nova will be cool.
the matter of you taking your car further is a good idea, which then rules out the kit car option.

and no i havent been out in any quick novas lol.

p.s im still waiting for someone to make a "z car" nova, where its just a space framed chassis with a complete fibreglass shell.

[ste porter]

in good time

im already planning my new project after this one is done mid next year

you think this is cool you wait to see what happens to a saloon next year!

[bmw156]

lol, i often ask my self, why havent "big" things been done to alot more novas, and i think the answer is that they are FWD.

there will always be alot of work getting them to RWD and most people dont want it, or cant do it. and if it was me, i would ask my self, why do it to a nova, start with a better base like a kit car etc etc.

and i guess the people that do it are all nutters lol.

at least your has FWD and RWD when its done lol. the other guy who has the spaceframe nova, stil has his engine in the front!

RWD is the only way forward IMO

[t45_ste]

Great progress. Tubs look good. Keep it up.

[BRoadGhost]

Please speak in the universal language of Gran Tourismo:-

FF
FR
MR
RR
4WD

;)

[MK999]

p.s im still waiting for someone to make a "z car" nova, where its just a space framed chassis with a complete fibreglass shell.

Simps has said it'd be a very cool finishing piece to his project :)

[t45_ste]

Please speak in the universal language of Gran Tourismo:-

FF
FR
MR
RR
4WD

;)


lol

[Sloth]

ste, £20 here for a passenger ride man.

[Mike]

Please speak in the universal language of Gran Tourismo:-

FF
FR
MR
RR
4WD

;)

lol lol repz

[Lee]

there will always be alot of work getting them to RWD

Oh, I dunno :)


at least your has FWD and RWD when its done lol. the other guy who has the spaceframe nova, stil has his engine in the front!

Yeah, thats because its the best place for it


RWD is the only way forward IMO

Totally disagree. Rear drive may well be the best way to go on paper, but there is something about fast front drive cars. For a start, you'll never get a rear drive as light as a front drive on two similar sized shells and sometimes that counts just as much as drive layout.

Ive seen many a sorted rear drive track car be completely unable to live with Dar's Nova around combe (and that includes Caterhams), and some of these guys can properly pedal as well.

IMO its horses for courses.

[craig green]

it was borrowed from a recent event lol

Mustve been a good crack on the Saturday night then? lol

[ste porter]

Mustve been a good crack on the Saturday night then? lol

that was the friday mate you dont want to know what we got upto on the sat pmsl

i feel that certain drive types are better suited to certain cars and conditions

my cav turbo was awsome in 4x4 form realy planted and drove so smooth and fluent and silly quick out the bends for a big car but it always felt firm and planted

that said though through the same bends and the same pace theres something so much more satisfing about scrabling around and beeing on the point of no return throwing a front engined front wheel drive car round it

my beemer was the fun one out of all the drive types and even though it wasnt the best to drive when your stairing out the side windows to look in your direction of travel it doesnt realy matter because your grin is from ear to ear any way

[The Simps]

when your stairing out the side windows to look in your direction of travel it doesnt realy matter because your grin is from ear to ear any way


Amen ;)

[GDN16v]

when your stairing out the side windows to look in your direction of travel it doesnt realy matter because your grin is from ear to ear any way

Only if its in a controlled fashion - sideways out of control is a brown pants affair!;)lol:thumb:

[ste porter]

Only if its in a controlled fashion - sideways out of control is a brown pants affair!;)lol:thumb:


very true i made that e36 of mine do things i didnt even know was possable lol

[Ron]

this is going to be a bit of a weapon when finished

[ben doodar]

great work ste. fab work is brilliant, keep up the updates mate.

[ste porter]

ok havent done alot as of late due to buying 2 gsi corsas to buid claire a decent xe powered egg now thats done and dusted i had a few hours yesterday and today and made some good progress the majority of the forward floor pannels are in and fully welded tunnels welded in props been shortened and prop mounts are in project should be a green light again for a month or 2 so it will be getting updated often now and progress is speeding up

sorry theres not many pics i didnt take any yesterday as i didnt even know i was going to get to work on it
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[Dervy]

you must be getting through alot of welding wire on this project :)

[ste porter]

you must be getting through alot of welding wire on this project :)

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hence the 200 amp welder i just brought

[stupot89]

looking good mr porter

[nova_niek]

Porn.

[djbrowney]

How thick are the panels your welding in, you dont see to have any distortion in the what so ever :)

[ste porter]

How thick are the panels your welding in, you dont see to have any distortion in the what so ever :)
1mm mate and its because im s h i t hot lol

it takes forever to weld them in without them distorting bit at a time and keep moving round trying not to heat the span of the pannel the heat around the weld is ok but its when you alow it to get hot enough for the heat to spread the span of the pannel that you get bad distortion.

rule of thumb i go by is that if you rest the base of your hand on the pannel when your welding it when tthe heat starts to get uncomftable i.e when the welds roughly an inch or 2 long its time to move over to the oposite end while it cools down takes ages but you get there in the end

[tony k]

looking sweet ste,gotta say some excellent work going into this keep it up,cant wait to see it done,top work

[scott.parker]

Ste cracking update,looking really good now,very different approch to most 4x4 projecrs.

Scott

[Mike]

Good stuff Ste. I hope to fcukery youve measured up the width of the "base" part of whatever seats your fitting tho?? Else you might encounter some proper issues trying to find seats in a small enough width to fit :S

[Ernie]

wow nuff said..

[Paul]

Them arches are a monstrosity, sorry

[Angus Closier]

Serious fab work mate! Keep it up!

[ste porter]

Them arches are a monstrosity, sorry
pmsl there not my arches mate there the new inners lol

just i havnt cut them down yet as im not 100% final as to weather im going to custom fab my own outter arches or moddify genuine rear quaters and step them out for the width i need all in good time mate

[ste porter]

Good stuff Ste. I hope to fcukery youve measured up the width of the "base" part of whatever seats your fitting tho?? Else you might encounter some proper issues trying to find seats in a small enough width to fit :S

well ahead of you mate note the 2 supports in the tunnel thats where the seat rails are beeing tied into mate and tunnel was made with my seats in mind

[brainsnova]

your welding looks amazing , very nice progress :thumb:

[daz_9124]

Top Project and Top Fab work

Been following this - keep up the good work

[Graeme]

Excellent work Ste and looking forward to the article in next months Tv

[dj_wudgey]

mate this is f*cking awesome!!!

[Connor]

Cannot wait to see this finished,
Will be a right animal!!!

[c20tbo]

Lots of fab work there matey, just curious as to what the final weight it will be? looking at the box used ect and not forgeting the 4x4 running gear will it not be rather heavy? have you a weight in mind.

Dont take that at a negative im just curious.

[bazil]

The problem of more weight will probably be overcome with more POWER ( in a clarkson voice lol )

cracking skills mate, I hope I get to see it in action someday :)

[ste porter]

weight question has been anwsered a few times now mate think you will be surprised there are detailed posts explaining weight ect alittle further back which should anwser your question mate

and also as bazil put it 500+ poneys of usable traction controlable power food for thought
pluss dta with als maps and 2 step launch control all good things though will get to all that later on in the build but its all in the pipe line and most the bits are already in the shed lol

[stupot89]

is it still gonna be road legal ste??

[ste porter]

thats the plan

[stupot89]

:cool: bye bye to most things that try it on at the lights then lol

[c20tbo]

weight question has been anwsered a few times now mate think you will be surprised there are detailed posts explaining weight ect alittle further back which should anwser your question mate

and also as bazil put it 500+ poneys of usable traction controlable power food for thought
pluss dta with als maps and 2 step launch control all good things though will get to all that later on in the build but its all in the pipe line and most the bits are already in the shed lol

Is the car to be caged also? ive just read the previous posts but i still think it will be heavier than you think, but until its weighed then its a guessing game, will the let transmission cope with the estimated power?

Im not doubting the car buddy, like i said just curious as ive a car which has the same kinda mods, i dont run a let or use a vaux bodyshell.:thumb:

What will the car be used for? lot of work gone into it just to be road car?

[Mike]

lot of work gone into it just to be road car?

Could say the same about hundreds of thousands of modified & kit cars though could you no :wtf:

[bazil]

I very much doubt the weight will be an issue, take for example my road car, audi S3 it only has 210 bhp from a 1.8 turbo and it gets to 60 mph in 6.5 seconds and it weighs a whopping 1450 kg!!

A nova that will have 500ish bhp and may weigh less that 1000kg will be stupidly fast, my only concern would it may be to light and struggle for grip, but that is an easily overcome problem with huge fat sticky tyres and possably ballast.
To many people write of 4x4 cars as to heavy and to slow of the line, that simply isn't the case.

[c20tbo]

I very much doubt the weight will be an issue, take for example my road car, audi S3 it only has 210 bhp from a 1.8 turbo and it gets to 60 mph in 6.5 seconds and it weighs a whopping 1450 kg!!

A nova that will have 500ish bhp and may weigh less that 1000kg will be stupidly fast, my only concern would it may be to light and struggle for grip, but that is an easily overcome problem with huge fat sticky tyres and possably ballast.
To many people write of 4x4 cars as to heavy and to slow of the line, that simply isn't the case.

Mate, im not saying the weight will be an issue, all im saying is i dont think it will be as light as many think!

My own car is 650bhp (cosworth powered) and should weigh in around 1100kg wet 4x4, i no it wont struggle for grip! :thumb: and i also no it will handle properly :thumb: which not all 4x4 cars do!

[c20tbo]

Could say the same about hundreds of thousands of modified & kit cars though could you no :wtf:

Correct, which is a shame.

[bazil]

Mate, im not saying the weight will be an issue, all im saying is i dont think it will be as light as many think!



True, I wonder how many folk know the actuall weight of there car?

Ste are you going to balance the car out on scales or is it not an issue for you?

[burgo]

True, I wonder how many folk know the actuall weight of there car?

Ste are you going to balance the car out on scales or is it not an issue for you?740kgs :p

[ste porter]

just because its road legal doesnt mean its a pure road car!

beeing road legal just makes life so much easier for a number of reasons for example testing small changes before a track day attending shows and of corse scaring the crap out of people to the speed limit of corse

i take into acount what your saying my friend but theres so many things you have not taken into mind

better weight distribution across the car
the type of and the quality of the suspension going to be used
the fact that even if it weighed 1200 kg it would still only be as heavy as a ladened gsi with an xe and full of subs
the body will be running alot of fiberglass panneling
then your forgeting component weights i.e wheels seats tanks ect ect which im sure you realise im not planning on using ones made of cast iron

trust me weight is not an issue i would say my flooring and structure work weighs no more than the original skins and floor plan ect thats been removed

yes it will be carrying extra weight of a second diff prop transfer box ect put im afraid if i bin this of its no longer 4x4

pluss you failed to notice the majority of the weight from components i.e seats ect are beeing moved backwards but still forward of the rear wheel track in an effort to further balence the car

trust me it will be fine

[ste porter]

this isnt beeing built to take on thrust at a land speed record atempt its beeing built because i want to have a go at it its different and because i can

the main point is i just want to put the power down which was beeing wasted before if i create a monster its a bonus

im more interested in it beeing capable in all aspects of driving not just of the line or flat out speed and i dont want it to just become a pub figures car where it has the best of everything and is the best car in the world on paper but in reality its useless because all the best components dont work together and renders it a party piece not a performer which i see time and time again

[Danny s-p]

its beeing built because i want to have a go at it its different and because i can

no more need to be said mr porter:thumb:

[bazil]

It's the title of the thread I like, I've only seen 1 other project about a 4x4 nova but it's not been updated in a while.

But surley this is past 12% complete now lol

[ste porter]

It's the title of the thread I like, I've only seen 1 other project about a 4x4 nova but it's not been updated in a while.

But surley this is past 12% complete now lol

good point updating that now lol

problem is i keep getting side tracked so much with other things i get a few days a month on this

perfect example the calibra turbo i just got hold of for 200 quid i have now got to strip that of its running gear and engine the woosner pistons ect out of that are going in mine mine are going in the block from the calli and that engine will go in my astra van or claires corsa.
the back half of the cali will retire the back half of my cav as a sofa in the workshop and by the time i have done this its another week or so missed of the nova shell

[c20tbo]

this isnt beeing built to take on thrust at a land speed record atempt its beeing built because i want to have a go at it its different and because i can

the main point is i just want to put the power down which was beeing wasted before if i create a monster its a bonus

im more interested in it beeing capable in all aspects of driving not just of the line or flat out speed and i dont want it to just become a pub figures car where it has the best of everything and is the best car in the world on paper but in reality its useless because all the best components dont work together and renders it a party piece not a performer which i see time and time again

Im with you on that one fella, ive around 45K inversted in mine,:cry:

[daz_9124]

Sorry to spam your thread Ste

c20tbo are you talking about the Red Pug 106 that Reyland have? If so any updates?!?! it's been a while, lovely looking car by the way

[Spudly]

You jammy jammy little fooker how the hell did you score a mars bar for two hundred notes :eek:



Sell me the wheels off the mars bar please, then crack the fook on with this lol

[shrtwrec20]

Nice work Ste. Be awsome when it's done. Would give some rep for taking on a cool project but can't for some reason >:(

[c20tbo]

Sorry to spam your thread Ste

c20tbo are you talking about the Red Pug 106 that Reyland have? If so any updates?!?! it's been a while, lovely looking car by the way

Yip thats the one, car is now at AG motorsport (Andrew Gallacher) he will be finishing it, early next year, reyland should have the engine ready to pick up soon.

Lots and lots of cash gone into it lately, brief = 6k on diffs, complete wrc front and rear setup inc alloy uprights, bladed roll bars, pectel monitor setup, lots of carbon, escort wrc 3way proflex, list goes on!

[c20tbo]

Ste,

Will the transmission in the nova be standard?

Off topic what uprated stuff is available for the 4x4 let system?

[ste porter]

define standard? if you mean standard nova no
im using the 6 speed f28 with the bigger of the 3 transfer boxes with the standard rear diff which is the same as the holden commadore for starters
obviously the transfer box is beeing buggered about with as in its beeing locked and i know someone who can put a stronger v.c in

im going to suck it and see with a standard box for now but i have a spare which i may look into having built up to a decent spec

no matter what i do with the 500 bhp mark the vauxhall 4x4 system will always be a weak link 1 way or another its just going to be a learning curve finding ways of improving it as and when it shows its self up as a problem

[burgo]

ste, theres someone with a mk2 astra with a c20let but hes using a celica gt4 gearbox and putting 700bhp through it.

[Mike]

Lad I knows got a 300+bhp 4x4 Mk3 Astra GSi an it runs fine

[djbrowney]

You on about cooper mike ? see it at pod front wheels spin like fook and the back just sit there lol

Cracking car though :)

[ste porter]

just to let you all know that this hasnt been burried just slow as of late as i have just got another cally turbo for breaking for peenuts and been at work alot but things are happening just not on the shell

got a few bits for my engine pluss another spare let so that will shortly find its way into a work horse

made a start on my new inlet got another set of steel rods got an actual let block not xe converted like i had before spec on engine as a rough guide so far goes like this

woosner low comps
eagle steel rods
acl mains
acl big ends
...arp 2000 rod bolts
arp head stud
oil squirters
block girdle
steel oil pump gear
ported head
reshaped combustion chambers
all new valves
cometic multilayer head gasket
double valve springs
custom plenum
custom made exhaust manifold
t70 turbo with custom machined housings on the hot and cold side for required a/r
40mm external gate
dta s40 pro
als maps (whooooooooosh bang, bang ba bang)lol
launch control
full throttle gear change
lightened fly and 7 1/4 ap paddle clutch
aiming for 450 - 500 at about 32psi !!!


there is alot more but that should give you a rough idea thats the bits i have so far only reason i have put the shell aside and started on engine for time beeing is because i now have 2 lets and a shed full of parts so i basicly want to have a sort through build up a standard let for the van build up the mental one for the nova ans sell all my spares off
basicly i dont want to flog any bits off untill i know i have all the bits i need for both engines

not got many pics but heres a fef to keep you going for now untill i get a proper update sorted for you

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[ste porter]

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[ste porter]

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[Sloth]

ok, a question, why have you got trumpets inside the plenum?

[ste porter]

this is such a broad subject and to be fully honest i dont fully understand it myself but i do understand the basics so the easiest way of putting it without getting myself all confused goes something like this

air under vacume i.e na moves in a completly different manor to air under presure i.e forced induction as a result the same inlet fitted to an na and a fi engine will can give massive cylinder presure and flow differences between each bore. air under presure follows the path of least resistance (basicly but there are other deciding factors but keeping it simple for now) so in an effort to smooth out presure differences across a common plenum the plenum should be tappered angles ect differ from engine to engine and trumpets should be added to help even out the flow.