keep your eyes peeled for 'XL Series' ice in the new year. iv just got back from the factory after buying a test sale on ebay (active 250watts rms sub, box + wiring for ?56!!! new). they do some tidy looking subs manufactured in the same factory as JBL just with a different badge, active sub boxes, wiring kits, stealth shelves, door pods etc.. top quality stuff at a budget price. if you do a search for them not much will come up as their web site needs updating which may happen in the new year!