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    mrs merris old man is a recovery driver, so no need for the AA for me, and if my ****ter breaks down , the only place its going is down the weigh bridge!

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    my birds aunti had a stop ligbt come on for low oil pressure on her passat, she calls the aa and he says its ok to drive gingerly to the narest garage the aa guy told the garage what he had done and said. turned out to be a common fault with the oil pump which she pays for but soo as that was fixed the turbo went because of lack of oil and even tho the garage stepped up and said she drove it in on the recovery guys advice they still wouldnt stump up the £800 bill f u c k i n g t o s s e r s

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    iirc, recovery men for rac & aa do not have to be qualified mechanics.....

    jack, any chance of you obtaining this warped head & putting a straight edge on it for the fun???? my guess is that it is nowhere near goosed, & they were fully prepared to clean it up & claim it was a new head, oh & the engineer disposed of the old one....... cos thats never happened before..........

    advice for anyone with a turbo vw.... never ever run it dry or run it with the oil light on.. the turbos are made of pastry as far as i can tell...

    advice for everyone.... buying a car that baxter has owned is always a risk.. replacing the body & running gear is a must

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    Quote Originally Posted by mowgli View Post
    advice for anyone with a turbo vw.... never ever run it dry or run it with the oil light on..
    good advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mowgli View Post
    jack, any chance of you obtaining this warped head & putting a straight edge on it for the fun???? my guess is that it is nowhere near goosed, & they were fully prepared to clean it up & claim it was a new head, oh & the engineer disposed of the old one....... cos thats never happened before..........
    I did think of that, but she got the replacement head herself. Its in the back of her other car at the mo (its either that or the old one, but theres deffo two floating about!)

    I'm guessing only a very very minor bend would be enough to make it useless?

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    I think a 10thou deflection over the length of the head would be about the limit but will depend on the head and what the clamping force distrobution is. I wouldnt want to skim much more than that to correct a deflection without having to consider checking for clearence else where. Remember that if the face is warped then then whole head is warped by the same amount, i.e the cam journals are now forever out of line and the skimming will only restore the sealing face. If the head is cooked, the metalaurgy changes and the face softens and the firing rings will recede into the head and it will never seal regardles of how flat it is.

    I still think the original issue was possibly due to head gasket failure, the system became rapidly pressureised and popped the hose. No one is ever going to know if the head was warped before or after the AA mans intervention.

    Its the chance you take. Where do you draw the line with liability with something like this? People would complain if the AA wouldnt repair a simple burst hose, but then get upset if he makes a judgement call to get them moving and then turns out to be something else.

    The compensation offered by the AA seems reasonable to fit a second hand head and new gasket set and restore the engine to where it was before, even if the head damage wasnt a result of their actions and occurred before hand.

    Even if it wasnt head gasket failure, if the hose had ruptured and the coolant poured out, it is highly likely the damage to the head was done even before the temp gauge finally responded, then how long before it was noticed after that?

    Its a tricky one on both sides. Im just playing devils advocate for the purpose of discussion.

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    it is well documented about my opinions over head damage... it usually gains new members too....

    but having seen a ferrari testarossa(classic racer from the 60's??) head that had shed some valves, at a local race engine builders many years ago, and they aluminium welded it to build it up, then re machined it to get the ports & valve seats in.... and then saw it racing at donington.... i have a feeling that heads can take rather a lot of abuse... but then i'm not an nvq mechanic who got told at college that you should always skim a head no matter what....

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    I've had a kseries head anneal and collapse when some goons ran it lean and waaaaaaay over advanced to cause the coolant to soda stream cue one millington worked head going in the bin

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    ok, i'll give you that. given the fact that the k series engines simply weren't developed enough for production, and then they decided to use a tiny amount of coolant compared to all their rivals, means a std one is iffy, but a well modified one with a really bad map is bound to eat itself.

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    I think what the AA have offered is reasonable and even though they have admitted liability it might not be all their fault, i had a bottom hose split on my 1.7TD Nova, before the temp had even changed the head gasket had gone, the head was cracked in 3 places aswell as warped and the piston rings had melted simply because there was no water to get a temperature reading from.

    I'd say you win some you lose some, feel sorry for her but unlucky.

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