doesn't the work have to have been done by reg & al to get a tv feature...? Lol lolQuote:
Originally Posted by turbojolt
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doesn't the work have to have been done by reg & al to get a tv feature...? Lol lolQuote:
Originally Posted by turbojolt
less beer will help with the shaking hands carl (with a k)
i was pi$$ing myself laughing mate lol
You've ruined the surprise of the Nova's replacement, damn.
Not updated this in a while, but not done a huge amount. Cracking on with it again though, partly out of boredom and partly to get it ready for 2013 trackdays.
Poor little Nova outside in the snow:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/728.JPG
I fancied changing to a matching rear lights setup, so I've fitted twin reverse lights. Needing a fog, I figured I'd use one of those motorsport rainlights, a cluster of bright red LEDs. Mounted it on the bumper iron like this:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/729.JPG
Not too nasty looking in the bumper IMO:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/730.JPG
All wired up:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/731.JPG
Lowered it a bit more - only a few threads down on the front as I have no suspension travel left, but the rear has come down a fair bit:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/732.JPG
I fancy having some brake ducting to try out on the next trackday to see if I can keep the Mintex 1144 pads that faded at Donington, so have been mocking them up. Choices are...
1) Along tiebar. Problem here is that there's no room for it between the caliper and the strut at full lock, and the wheel will scrub it.
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/733.JPG
2) Up the strut and through the crossmember.
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/734.JPG
Problem with 2) is that it's very tight to the wheel on full lock, and it gets stuck between the strut, brake line and chassis leg:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/735.JPG
3) Along the bottom of the tiebar, and up to the front splitter. Problem here is that the splitter takes a beating when I reverse up my driveway and it will have very small ground clearance, however there's a nice clean route for the air and no real obstructions:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/736.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/737.JPG
4) Through the steering arm hole, up and to the front. Problem here is that its very tight on the drivers side where the alt is, and there's no way to route it to the front for cold air on the passenger side unless I centralise the radiator:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/738.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/739.JPG
What do people think is the best way to route them?
Oh and this nice surprise I found earlier needs fixing, the crossmember has cracked between the tiebar bracket bolt and the unused hole on the drivers side. Thinking of the best way to fix this...
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/740.JPG
Edit: as 8valve-craig has pointed out elsewhere, my alternator belt has flipped itself inside out again, grr. Not done this for a little while since I reduced the tension, so I think I have alignment issues there
You run your arb on top of the tie bars? Why?
Id run it down on the tie bars and in, more room and looks better and better air flow...
Arches need a clean too.
ARB runs below the tiebars as it's supposed to. Below/inside tiebars definitely looks best for clearance and flow, but it'll just rip it off reversing up the driveway I think!
Whole thing needs a clean, will go on a mad cleaning spree when it warms up a bit.
Sorry wasn't looking at the picture correctly. Surly if its running along the tie bar it will the same hight as wouldn't touch anything...
Not trying to sound a nob head, but is that tubing really going to do anything? Looks awful lol
I agree, I can't see that doing an awful lot to be honest. What discs are they?
Well I wasn't really thinking of it for styling Edd lol What would I need to change to make it effective then?
256x24 vented discs.
what about making something like this?
http://www.myturbodiesel.com/images/misc/brake/duct.jpg
I know your not doing it for styling lol my point is that for how terrible it looks is it really going to make that much difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by Iain
iain, i think you need to get some duct pieces fabricated to mount on your hub. google image searching 'brake cooling ducts' gives lots of food for thought. if you mount a sheet metal nozzle to the duct, you can then move the flexi duct into an area where it won't catch any moving parts.
do you have steering lock stops?
Quote:
Originally Posted by pie
Thats a perfect idea, just a little wind deflector to channel air thats passing the car anyways whilst at speed, and pointing it towards the braking area, thats got to be as good a solution as your k&n style 'induction' hose :thumb:
Fit 4pots and 288s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iain
Something like these?
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Although I agree with Adam :)
couldnt you drill/cut some holes in the lower left and right corners of the bumper and metal behind it to get more air flowing to them?
the aim is to get a specific blast of air to the brake, not just to fill the arch area with air.
no **** sherlock lol
if he done what i was saying it would be easier to run his piping to the desired area, rather then running it through the engine bay, the way I'm picturing it is a feed along the lines of what some people do from there bumper to a induction kit (when you see the red ring around a hole in the bumper), i will try and find a picture now.
I didn't realize we were fcuking about with Formula 1 cars lol
Guess it's just me that thinks a big bit of pipe rammed into a 20 year caliper is going to do fcuk all
Turbojolt that is my plan, route the pipework to the bumper or splitter and drill a hole for airflow into it. Maybe get a duct if there's room where I end up choosing.
I don't see how routing cold air from the front of the car to the brakes is stupid or reserved only for F1 cars. The car stops fine with 256mm brakes, I want to use these brake pads as I like how they feel and they struggle when they get hot, so the obvious route is to try and cool them down. Edd you're not being particularly constructive tbh, do you see all trackday enthusiasts as F1 wannabes?
The scoops are interesting, I do wonder if I can mount something on the tiebar to achieve something, although they rely on airflow under the front bumper?
Mowgli I like that idea, figured the metal ends were just there to point air at where matters (which I believe is the centre of the disc?). Wonder if I can rig something up to keep the pipework away as you say
The pic that Pie posted looks a decent idea
What I was getting at is that all this effort to route some airflow towards the brakes is not going to be worth it, you'll never tell the difference and would be better off putting tme and money into something else on the car
All IMO of course
Better picture of the crack in the crossmember now it's cleaned up:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/741.JPG
Decided to weld it up for the time being and keep an eye on it. Assume it might have cracked due to the hefty plate just next to the tiebar bracket where I plated some rot putting stress elsewhere.
Welded up the crack:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/742.JPG
Etch primered and seam sealed:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/743.JPG
The difference should be pretty easy to see by directly comparing how long it takes the brakes to fade around a track like Donington.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edd
i dont see how getting more air to the brakes could be a bad thing, he clearly already has the piping and its not going to be a massivly time consuming job, just make the air flow as direct as possibe
ive got some steel plate from a strenghting kit you can have if you want to plate over the crack aswell mate
Iain, I've got a mk4 Astra turbo splitter that has holes in the splitter and the plastic ducting vents to allow brake ducting to br routed etc, let me know if your interested an you can have it for what I paid posted etc..
Got steel here if I want to do that cheers! Bit of a bugger for access with the oil cooler and radiator in there to start plating it, that and I worry it's going to look like a patchwork quilt if I keep adding plates!
Sounds interesting, any pics of the ducting attached to one? I have the air duct splitter-end pieces from a 7 series I was going to mock up today but forgot! These ones:Quote:
Originally Posted by scott.parker
http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/w...Parts176-1.jpg
astra coupe uese brake ducts also zafira's in the splitter
astra gsi ducts
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...s/DSC01087.jpg
http://www.courtenaysport.co.uk/images/brkducts_web.jpg
The ducting is attached to the back of the platter for the cope turbo one, no pics I'm afraid, not at home at mo either, try Google mate.
you wernt in the car going flat out at donnington in the passenger seat when he sat there, 2 inches from the chicane when he said 'oh my god karl i have no brakes' que an oh f**k clench from my balloon knot!Quote:
Originally Posted by Edd
could you mail me there address for these panels mate many thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Iain
Dude here's the mk 4 turbo splitter with ducting
http://i1257.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8775b903.jpg
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I think Beevers went under/stopped trading a little while ago mate, sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by shaunboy84
Cheers for the pics Scott, I have some parts collected and a plan to hopefully execute tomorrow weather dependent so I'll post up how far I get
OK here's what I've been up to the past few weeks
Finished my crossmember repair, primed and painted:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/744.JPG
While I had the paint out I thought I'd plan ahead and cut away some of the crossmember to match the wings:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/745.JPG
Also fitted my new Powerflex ARB bushes:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/746.JPG
What's left of the FloFlex ones after barely any work, one's split already:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/747.JPG
On with the brake ducting...
The pic someone posted previously with the Vauxhall ducts, managed to borrow a pair off Harvey for use on his mk2 Astra:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/748.JPG
They're very far off fit-and-forget really, as the angle of the tiebar/bottom arm is vastly different to the bottom arm angle of the mk2 Astra:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/749.JPG
So I'm proceeding with the ducting idea. Seeing as the proper scoop ducts are £40 a pair, and the Revotec machined alloy intakes are £20 a pair, I bought these plastic intakes for £5 posted the pair, cheapness ftw lol
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/750.JPG
Utilised my cut-down crossmember and drilled/mounted them in the bumper like this:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/751.JPG
Duct can come along here:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/752.JPG
Will be attached to the lower arm/ARB like this:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/753.JPG
And up to the rear of the knuckle like this, to point at the middle of the disc. I will make something up for the end of this pipe to channel air into the disc even more, like Mowgli suggested.
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/754.JPG
Needed some new dry trackday tyres so purchased 6 19/57/15 Michelin S9C tyres:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/755.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/756.JPG
Needed to test fit them front and back to make sure I wouldn't have any clearance issues, but they fit well:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/757.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/758.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/759.JPG
Looking forward to trying them out!
wont the pipe get ripped to peices by the tyre when turning in now?