Thats good! I'll get something in place so I don't have stones etc bouncing off the turbo though lol
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Thats good! I'll get something in place so I don't have stones etc bouncing off the turbo though lol
haha sounds a good idea ;-)
More bloody rust, don't know whether to laugh or cry at the state of this car.
*sigh*
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/u...pscc24605c.jpg
You really need to spend time with a big screwdriver going all over that chassis, I did with my mk2 last year and this is what happened....
http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/a...c/Photo443.jpg
This is how it looked just over a year previously before a proper inspection..............
http://i988.photobucket.com/albums/a...arc/driver.jpg
^ I'm attacking it with one just now lol
Whoops
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/u...psf82adf24.jpg
Bad times :(
Rust is lighter then carbon!
But on a more serious note, it doesn't look too bad,
I'll be having a word with the bloke from the bodyshop in a week or so when I'm back in days. I'll have to get his opinion on it. Cars just crumbling to pieces :cry: :cry:
Why not get it dipped or blasted mate? Your already going the whole hog with the rest so it'll be peace of mind knowing its properly de-rusted.
It will be getting blasted but the problem is there might not be any metal left after it lol and as much as it pains me to say it, it really is a rot box at the moment :(
Want a second opinion? I have saved several Novas (and a mini) that were set for scrapping but, the blue and red mk2 were just too far.....
It really depends how much structure is there and then you decide if you want to go for it.
I apologise but I did have a small giggle at the whoops.Quote:
Originally Posted by bazzap8389
just get it blasted asap, you'll know where you stand then. its pointless spending time and money on this shell if its going to be like a swiss cheese after blasting.... sorry if im bursting your bubble here dude, just trying to be the voice of reason. :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by bazzap8389
Hello space frame project ;-)
Yeah you can easy come and take a look at it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by marc69
Yeah I know what you mean mateQuote:
Originally Posted by conad
Would it be road legal if I did this? Would be my best option if the chassis is too far gone. I'm not scrapping my car lolQuote:
Originally Posted by 16xe_chris
Gives a shout
nothing is ever too far gone, you can buy just about every panel for a nova
Agreed matey, I'd probably get it acid dipped then see what's left.Quote:
Originally Posted by david dixon
At least then the bare metal that is left will be a doodle to weld too and cut out out etc ;-)
I would get it up on 4 stands nice and high, strip as much as you can like the axle, tank and exhaust and go over the whole underside with a sharp tool.
That will tell you wether you want to send it for dipping / blasting, and potentially save you a few quid if you find what you consider to be too much rust.
Good luck.
That's what I like to hear :)Quote:
Originally Posted by david dixon
Sounds a plan to me!Quote:
Originally Posted by 16xe_chris
I'll get that done next week, I've got everything off it except the rear beam just now, I was keeping that on so I can keep it rolling. The floor at the front of the car seems to be pretty good just the back end, engine bay is pretty **** aswell though lolQuote:
Originally Posted by 8valve-craig
Is it better to get it dipped or blasted? Or is it 6 in half?
Thanks
We once had a grp A siera blasted and it was a pig to get rid of all of the blasting meadia that goes every where.
At least with dipping they completely wash the shell inside and out, after the acid then prime it on site for you, most places that I know of have done that for customers.
Have a look at this site matey, bit of a ride out for you but your more than welcome to have a pit stop at my house ;-)
http://www.surfaceprocessing.co.uk/p...-vauxhall.html
Thanks for the link Chris, Ive been looking for local places and cant find anything at all so might have to be there lol would i have to cut the rotten arches etc off or would the dipping take care of that?
it would be much clearer after dipping where to cut from/to - but yes dipping would rid of rust just leave you with holes. I'd give the place(s) a call/visit their website im sure many FAQ's will be on there.
I've just looked at there site and spoken to them asking for full price list. I will post ot here when they send it over.
From what I read they
Strip it and you take it away
Make all your fabrication repairs (not filler work or seam sealer) and also add small holes if needed to help strip/paint at the second dip stage.
Return the shell to them for
Re dip and coat up
They do the same anti corrosion treatment as new cars get with complete immersion so inside every area you would never get to in a million years with blast or paints.
Dipping would sort that out for you ;-)
The acid will eat away any rubbish thin metal and get it back to something good to start work on.
the engine bay of my nova was shot/sand blasted, I found sand type stuff under the carpet behind the rear bench!
Do not get it dipped at SPL
I have a shell that's been dipped by them and the work is NOT worth the money
Please don't waste your cash with them complete cowboys
I've read some interesting comments on here about the workmanship of the people at Surface Processing. Words like "cowboys" spring to mind. You might want to have a word with Keith Robinson.Quote:
Originally Posted by 16xe_chris
Is there anyone on here that has had their shell dipped and treated many years ago and can comment on the current state of their shell with regards to rust? This because all dipping companies make huge claims, but none of them are able to back up their claims by referring to customer's cars that had been done years ago. To me, this is dodgy practice. :wtf:
My personal experience with blasting is on par with 16xe_chris' - I've once had a Nova shell done and that had tons of media left over in every bloody hole and orifice. Despite going all the way to clean out the shelll as thoroughly as possible, this got really "interesting" when the bodyshop started to paint the inside of the shell. :mad:
Dipping and blasting aside, other options in restoration techniques are dry ice blasting and thermal paint stripping. The latter is usually followed by mild blasting to clean up the surfaces. The only downside I see with dry ice blasting is you can't get inside box sections like chassis legs.
thermal paint strippers:
http://www.beadshot.co.uk/index.htm
dry ice blasters:
http://www.heritagedryiceblasting.co.uk/index.php
Useless additional information: a well respected German car mag tested a number of rust treatment/prevention liquids like Waxoyl and Tectyl. The winner was Mike Sander's Fett which won the test hands down. Just to let you know.
Hope this helps.
Good idea niek also ask surface processing for customers who would recommend because realty Is they should not need to come back if it's done well..... But they will come back if they are happy with more cars or recommend people. Mini forum prob the most likely to have the most cars dipped
Thanks guys lots of good info there! I would rep you Niek but need to spread some around!
Does anyone else have any dealings with spl? Seems to be mixed reviews!
Dgbnova did they get back to you with a price?
Cheers
Yes got an email with details but don't know how to put it ul here. How is that done or I can forward it to an address if someone wants to do it
Got it! Daft sod
Many thanks for your enquiry. Assuming the parts to be all steel with no aluminium present the cost to process your Vauxhall Nova would be as follows:
To chemically clean the bodyshell including the Boot Lid, Bonnet & Doors - £795.00 + VAT
We recommend that you have your shell chemically stripped of all coatings, take it away and do your weld repair work and then return the shell to us for the zinc phosphate primer. If you choose this route you will get surface rust on the shell whilst carrying out your repair work, however, we would then carry out a de-rust process before coating your shell.
To de-rust the bodyshell to clean surface rust and contamination - £400.00 + VAT (if you have your shell cleaned and coated all in the same visit you would not need the de-rust process).
To electrophoretic coating on bodyshell -£1450.00 + VAT
To electrophoretic coating on the panelwork -£300.00 + VAT. This covers standard panelwork on a car i.e. 2 doors, bonnet and boot lid.
All prices are subject to VAT at the prevailing rate All prices are quoted ex-works All parts are assumed to be mild steel* This Quotation will be valid for 30 days
Turnaround
booking
now
are
We
stripping and August 2013 for the electrophoretic coating process.
approximately 3 weeks from receipt depending on which processes you choose.
Delivery/Collection We can provide telephone numbers of transport companies but it is generally cheaper to hire a van and/or trailer for the day. We do not offer transport ourselves.
Further information You can find further information about our company on our website at www.surfaceprocessing.co.uk. We would strongly recommend that you to read through the Process section and the Restoration Guide on the web-site as this will give you a good indication of what to expect from the process and how best to prepare and care for your project before and after processing.
*Our process will not affect brazing but will invariably remove lead loading. Customers must ensure that all aluminium and zinc items are removed from the shell prior to process as this will be dissolved if left on. We offer a separate service for the cleaning of aluminium / zinc parts and panels.
Any sealed box sections / tubes or voids must be free draining and adequately vented (this can be done simply with a 6mm drill) to aid the effectiveness of the process. If you are at all unsure about how to prepare the shell / part for processing or what to expect from the process please contact us we are more than happy to offer our advice,
Kind regards
Georgina
Surface Processing Ltd Unit 20 Sovereign Works Deepdale Lane Lower Gornal Dudley DY3 2AF
Tel: 01384 242010 Fax: 01384 242090
Send it to bazzap8389@hotmail.co.uk please and I'll take a look
Cheers :)
I wouldnt bother with SPL, me and Keith had nothing but problems. When it goes tits up they aren't interested even though you are spending a lot of money with them.
Horrid company to deal with.
I know a guy who spent a fortune getting his mk2 cortina done, can't remember tthe companys name. Anyway it was aboslutely gorgeous, he rebuilt it and was pleased. 6 months later the who,e car was pitted beneath the paint, looked like someone had put a layer of sand under the paint all over and every bit of bodywork on the car. To say he was gutted was an under statement, and of course they said it left the place immaculate etc. Clearly he would have been better doing it himself!!
I had a good look today and could find no other options for dipping in the uk so next would be another dipping options anyone? I will ask my mate he's part of the motor sport club here they must use someone prob SPL!
this is going to be a epic build :)
What problems did you both have?Quote:
Originally Posted by Novasport
Was it a while ago and if so most important, did it work in the long run?
Thanks for that mate dgb not actually as expensive as I thought but if there **** it's a lot of money for **** service. I think I'll have to get the panel beater to come and take a look at it and see what he thinks.
I think the rot looks bad to me because im new to this so hopefully ain't as bad as I think it is. I'll let the pros decide lol
Cheers pie :)