Umm still like ford Olympic blue! lol
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Umm still like ford Olympic blue! lol
Have you thought of just using a basic grey undercoat and then getting it vinyl wrapped, this is what they do at work on the castrol cars and apparently (from the vinyl guy and the engineers) it saves around 4kg in weight for the car, and in wrc terms, that's a lot! lol using fancy paints (yellow, blue, red and white) can be quite heavy due to the pigments they have and if you add it up for the whole car it makes a big difference. Plus if you get bored of the colour its cheap and easy to change!
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Originally Posted by 16v Nova Kev
Id slightly disagree their fella........... Many 2k solid colours will not have achieved full opacity after just two coats even if a tintable primer has been used. I would hit it with three or even a forth in some cases just to be sure.
On the water base side of things.... Every manufacturer differs but as a rule 2.5-3 coats will see you confidently cover the majority of colours. As for drying times it will never be as quick as solvent basecoats but 5-10 mins (For large hits) with the booth heat up a little and your ready for the next coat with ease. High build clears are a lot harder wearing and will not tarnish like 2k solids either.
If your not using waterbase you may as well get used to it sooner rather than later as it is the future. Solvent and 2k paints will soon become unavailable due to the high voc levels. I dont know about near you but Its already hard to come by in my area.
Colin........ What happened to the idea you mentioned to me sometime ago?
Nick.
Maybe 4 coats but there very thin coats and using a heated booth or a hair dryer blowing hot air over it it dries in minutes! whereas 2k goes on thicker! You may have seen different but mine was a very quick process! End of day up to Colin was just pointing a fact out as I prefer water base!
It had crossed my mind, but I must admit I assumed the vinyl would have weighed more than paint. This is very interesting if vinyl is lighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by boffer8
Anyone know what a typical cost to vinyl wrap a Nova might be?
Hi Nick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick J
You're talking about the Ferrari Red idea I guess? I've gone right off reds now.
I'd like to pick your brains about paint anyway, as I can imagine some of it costs a lot of money.
That Ferrari Yellow I posted up is (I think) 'Giallo Triplo Strato', which was an £11k (eek) option on the 458 model.
Is it going to be possible to buy that from a paint supplier, and if so how much is it likely to cost me in raw materials? Any idea?
I know your average repmobile BMW/Audi large saloon/4x4 (vinyl magnets!) is about 2-2.5k in good quality stuff, so something cheap and cheerful as a bright, replaceable colour on the Nova, less than a grand I would have hoped?Quote:
Originally Posted by novarally
Or you could just have a go yourself if your feeling brave. The Nova would be pretty simple to work with being mostly flat panels. I bought 9m of vinyl for my Mini and me and a mate spent 3 days doing it. It's not perfect but I've yet to see a wrap that is. I think the 9m cost me about £350 for decent 3m controltac.
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I just weighed some leftover stuff from my Mini for you. 1m sq weighs 175grams
hi colin the chap that does all my stickers ect also does these vinyl wraps i will get a price for you and a ruff quote on how much material it would take so you can work out a ruff weight if you like??
do it in DG3 yellow wrap, by fook it'll be bright lol,
anyway why bother about paint/wrap, i thought you had it coated so any additional material will now only add weight? are alloy hubs allowed?
Yes, please Phill, that would be great.Quote:
Originally Posted by autoworksnovasport
I could run the car in primer I suppose, but I have to balance the weight aspect against the car looking good, and being a promotional tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by bazil
What is DG3 vinyl? Is that the material spec.?
I already have alloy hubs at the back.
If someone can cast the Nova front upright in alloy or magnesium at a sensible price, then I'll gladly buy some.......with a titanium drive flange as well please.
DG3 is reflective material used on motorway signs, you also get it in yellow but it is quite expensive and probably not to your taste,
As for the front hubs, have you ever had a quote on having a pair made?
Maybe a group buy to help with cost ?
You need some CNC machined Ex touring car uprights.
I haven't, and off the top of my head I can't think who to approach to quote for it. There would be a substantial weight saving to be had.Quote:
Originally Posted by bazil
My Group A Escort Cosworth had magnesium front uprights, but they were also available in aluminium. The alloy ones have been reproduced now and are about £1000 per pair IIRC, and that's based on a large number of them having been produced.
So I think the cost of Nova ones would be prohibitive. I also have my doubts as to whether the steering knuckle would lend itself well to being cast in alloy/magnesium, it could end being rather fragile I think. The Cosworth used a bolt-on steering knuckle, so the upright would probably need re-designing to suit.
With the size of those things I doubt there'd be any weight saving, and there'd be an awful lot of fabrication needed to fit one on a Nova!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike
DJM could design and make some custom front uprights!
I'm sure they could Simon, but I know what their prices are like! I fancied one of their carbon fibre pedal boxes, so rang them to ask how much..........£2,500 + VAT.Quote:
Originally Posted by SimonTW
Eek maybe not then, well not until your lottery numbers come up.
I know of people who have had wraps done cash in hand for between £750-1k dependent on what car it was. Tbh I think it could be a good idea as you could refresh every couple of seasons without adding extra weight.
You might even be able to offset the cost of the wrap by offering the signwriter advertising space on the car
Not content with anything, I've started thinking about lighter steering arms, so picked up these from a 2008 Honda F1 car;
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They weight in at 200g each, whereas the Nova steering arms are over 700g. If they were just 10mm shorter they would be perfect, but as it stands there's going to be miniscule adjustment available on the tracking.
There's no sensible way of shortening the steering arms, but we might be able to offset the joint on the steering knuckle somehow. This is one for future development, I don't think it will be done for this season with all the other stuff going on.
I've also got all the parts together for my carbon fibre steering column now, more details on that when there's something interesting to show.
Where did you find F1 car parts? :o :D
Search around in some of the most obvious places & you'll find them too :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by istf
Iv been looking into using ex f1 carbon steering arms but didnt dare bite the bullet. I could prbably get away with using the ones you have there colin as the 10mm would be lost in the wide track.
Off to ebay i go lol
Going wide track on mine is a future option, especially as I intend to have custom titanium driveshafts for it eventually. It would only really need a longer track control arm to be fabricated, and maybe some modifying of the top mount.Quote:
Originally Posted by t45_ste
Of course I could avoid all this and buy the 6R4 which is what I actually want to own.........(apart from the fact that I don't have £60k+)
Going back 5-6 years, there was a 6R4 road car with 700 miles on the clock iirc and was on Ebay for around £23,000. Don't think it sold.
Times have changed, unfortunately, I haven't seen anything much under £50k in the last 12 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Novasport
I'm still kicking myself as I was offered one about 12 years ago for £8k, it was completely stripped down and in about 50 boxes, plus the shell needed work. I had the money, but decided it was too much to take on. Just another one of lifes regrets..........
Have you got a rough spec list of the car? Havent got a spare month to read all 179 pages
It's worth the readQuote:
Originally Posted by Tom-Tank
I have told him this but hes gay and impatient. Refuse to give him a spec, he doesnt deserve it :p
I haven't done a spec. list since I first bought the car back in 2009, so it's probbaly time I did. Here goes then;Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom-Tank
Nova 985cc Turbo - Approx. 180 BHP
Bodyshell
Lightweight shell to ‘Modified Production’ hillclimb/sprint MSA regulations
Full BTEC Racing roll cage in CDS with multipoint fitting, X diagonals, X door bars, harness bar
Carbon Fibre Wide Arch kit
Carbon fibre front and rear bumpers
Modified inner wings
Steel front wings
Fibreglass doors
Fabricated front crossmember
Alloy slam panel
Carbon fibre bonnet
Fibreglass tailgate with carbon fibre Gurney flap
Single wiper linkage
Bronze tint Polycarbonate windows, including windscreen, all window rubbers removed
Engine
985cc Vauxhall OHC
Sleeved down from a 1200cc block
7.5 to 1 Compression Ratio
Metro van pistons
1600 modified cylinder head and camshaft
Engine lowered 1.5 inches and moved back and to the left
OMEX 600 ECU & aircraft spec. engine loom
Turbosmart boost controller
Anti-lag system
KENT CAMS vernier camshaft pulley
Remote oil filter
Total loss electrics (no alternator)
Solid engine mounts
Garret GT2052 hybrid turbo
BTEC Racing alloy intercooler with 3” pipes
BTEC Racing alloy radiator
Alloy water header tank
Carbon fibre oil breather tank
Silicone coolant and boost hoses
Davies Craig electric water pump
2.5” aluminium steel side exit exhaust system
Transmission
F10 five speed Quaife SCCR gearbox with 4.1 final drive
Quaife ATB LSD
Hydraulic clutch with AP master cylinder
Fabricated internal rose jointed gear linkage
Carbon fibre gear lever
Quaife gearknob
Interior
STACK digital dash display with Boost Pressure readout
CARTEK battery isolation system
Push button starter
REVERIE carbon fibre steering wheel
SPA DESIGN quick release steering boss
REVERIE carbon fibre seat
REVERIE carbon fibre seat side mounts
WILLANS 6 point single seater harness with alloy adjusters
Lightweight steering column
VAMOS lithium-ion lightweight battery
Lightweight wiring loom and carbon fibre switch panel
Circuit breakers in place of fuses
Fuel System
1 gallon alloy foam filled fuel tank underneath floor
FSE high pressure fuel pump
Adjustable pressure regulator
Aeroquipped throughout
Brakes
Front; 240mm 4 pot Yamaha R1 calipers mounted with titanium bolts
Solid discs with alloy mounting bells (1.6kg each)
Rear; KAD solid drilled discs and alloy calipers mounted on Mini alloy hubs
Floor mounted pedal box with AP master cylinders, bias adjustable
AP Racing pressure limiting valve to rear brakes, adjustable
Handbrake removed
Aeroquipped throughout
Steering/Suspension
LEDA 2.5” front dampers with alloy top mounts, 375lb springs
PROTECH 2-way adjustable coilover rear dampers 1.9“, 140lb springs
Rose jointed track control arms
Rose jointed tie bars
Quaife quick steering rack with rose jointed track rod ends
T45 steel tubular rose jointed front and rear anti-roll bars, fitted via titanium bolts. Rear ARB is remote adjustable.
Wheels and Tyres
Force Racing split rims, custom made
Front; 7.5" x 15"
Rear; 7" x 13"
AVON ultra soft compound slicks
Other
All unstressed bolts replaced with aluminium lightweight fasteners
Most stressed bolts/nuts replaced with titanium
MSA logbook for hillclimb and sprint
Total weight 540kg
Try contacting these chaps regarding a full wrap, used them loads for custom stickers and they are very very good at what they do. Saw them doing the bright pink and green Smart and it was an awesome job. Based in Ilkeston, Derby, about 5 miles off M1 J26. They will be able to advise what vinyl is best for the job you need ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by novarally
http://www.the-image-works.co.uk/
Good work with everything by the way, been following this thread since it was started but don't post much.
F*ck thats light!
Now get that engine out and get a LET in it :thumb:
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Originally Posted by LEWI007
That would probably put too much weight in and slow it down in all fairness, remember its a 1.2 SMALLblock in essence, with 180 evil ponies in it lol
Cool, never seen the (old) full spec for this. How long does that 1 gallon tank last for, approximately..?
Colin get it chrome wrapped, the photographers at meets will love it ;)
Why? in its current guise it would sh1t all over a let novaQuote:
Originally Posted by LEWI007
How come you are still using steel front wings?
I think there are some CF ones, plus other panels to come;)Quote:
Originally Posted by paul james