My space framed nova with big power XE and sequential box

[brainsnova]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :cry:

[t45_ste]

lol may have to be an option. Just bought a new house.

We shall see......................

[MARTIN KELSON]

Wow
What can i say.
Just skipped through start to finished & iam so impressed.

Cracking
Well done

Martin

[nova_niek]

Buying a house sucks. No point owning 2 ongoing project Nova's when you have a killer mortgage. One day though... Anyway, enough moaning about myself.

Ste, killer wip going on here. I just read through the whole thread and had to get the Kleenex out. Damn, I'm ready for a shower now. ;-)

Will definitely keep my eyes on this!

Niek

[philip]

im lost which nova you keeping? how much for the lump? haha jk

[The Simps]

whats your other nova?

you'd be a muppet to sell it at this stage.

[philip]

dnt worry simps, ive skim read lollol

[t45_ste]

:)

[Cle]

if you sell superman might be coming back as the best heroe :roll:lollol

[Southie]

Would be a big shame to sell but if needs must then that's that.

One of my favourite and most interesting builds on here.

Buy a caravan or rent ;)

[t45_ste]

if you sell superman might be coming back as the best heroe :roll:lollol

What do you mean coming back? :confused:

He's never been away lol

[t45_ste]

Latest progress................. lol

http://www.cs-b.co.uk/resize/1138/2/400

[scott.parker]

Not too sure on the sink, think that might be over hanging to much, this could effect the handling!

[Ben]

wow £100+ on a toaster!

[Count Vaux Alot]

Tasteful :gay:lol

[MARTIN KELSON]

That looks great.
Prefer the Nova though!

[cornish]

Ste have you kept the engine roughly in its original position? Great build by the way.

[t45_ste]

Yeah unfortunatley. Would of liked to get it lower but shaft angles would of been silly due to the car only sitting 2" from the floor.

It is however 3" further back which should help a little.

[cornish]

Ta for the reply, could you not have countered the shaft angles by lowering the suspension pick up points with it being totally bespoke? Or is literally just to low?!

[craig green]

F****ng hell. I knew you were building something nice, but hadnt realised it was that spank-worthy.

Cool project.

[t45_ste]

Ta for the reply, could you not have countered the shaft angles by lowering the suspension pick up points with it being totally bespoke? Or is literally just to low?!

No worries. Lowering the suspension mounting points where? Sorry if im being a bit thick lol

[The Simps]

cornish, if lowering the engine, like lowering the car the shafts then sit up at funny angles. If lowering the engine more the only way to counteract it (I can think of) is the hub needs to be lower to alter shaft angle. Only way to really do that is tiny wheels to make it lower.

[mk3-fezza]

this car sets the standard for any track going car
top work to you and all who helped with the build:thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb:

[t45_ste]

cornish, if lowering the engine, like lowering the car the shafts then sit up at funny angles. If lowering the engine more the only way to counteract it (I can think of) is the hub needs to be lower to alter shaft angle. Only way to really do that is tiny wheels to make it lower.

Thats correct:thumb:

**** knows how the cavs lowered the engines so much pluss ran 19" rims:eek:

[Count Vaux Alot]

Tilted the engine forwards or rotated the gear box forward to move the drive shaft to gearbox entrance point upwards therefore leveling off the shaft angle.

[The Simps]

Thats correct:thumb:

**** knows how the cavs lowered the engines so much pluss ran 19" rims:eek:


Only thing I can assume is that it has something to do with the gearbox as they would have run something spesh that maybe counters for the outputs being located different.

[t45_ste]

Tilted the engine forwards or rotated the gear box forward to move the drive shaft to gearbox entrance point upwards therefore leveling off the shaft angle.

Yeah think ive read that before. They rotated the box on the bellhousing. Did they run a starter?

[Benn]

Latest progress................. lol

http://www.cs-b.co.uk/resize/1138/2/400


That's very nice, who's above the door? :wtf:

[t45_ste]

Its me lol

Just kidding

[Count Vaux Alot]

I will happily look after your nova for you lol

[Ben]

Dosent look much of a project if the kitchen looks like that!

[t45_ste]

:)

[t45_ste]

just been down to Tonys workshop.

The car is off the jig and **** me does it look good. :d

better than i could of imagined, he's come upon a problem with the offset of the wheels so need to order a new set.

Its sits unbelievibly low and is incredibaly fat lol

Guna take my camera down tomorrow and get some pics :thumb:

[Plug]

get on mate cant wait to see the pics of it on the floor :thumb:

[Jonlem]

Jesus ! Last thing I remember was when you got that engine !

I had no idea what car it was going in !

Superb effort

[t45_ste]

thanks. my mate really has done a superb job on it.

Its bloody low. You can reach over the car and touch the door on the other side. lol

Hopefully will get pics tomorrow.

[Count Vaux Alot]

Ooooo i can wait to see those!

[The Simps]

we NEED pics!!

[blacktopcustomsuk]

hi ste finnally found your post,seams to be lots of good comments.will blow them away when you post some pics,tony lol

[t45_ste]

Ah ha.

Hi Tony. Yeah will get down to the unit tomorrow aft and get snapping. You know how pleased i was today lol

[t45_ste]

Photo time.

In no order, please excuse the wheels, the fronts are the wrong offset and the rears are bling 18's.

Independant rear
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/17.jpg

Right side, still another tab to be cut and strut brace to be added.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/2-1.jpg

Left side
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/3-1.jpg

Inside, fuel tank in the centre with seat far back as possible. Flat alumiunm floor to be added.


http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/4-1.jpg

From the rear, arches are going to be made wider then moulded. PHAT

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/1.jpg

From the side

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/13.jpg

From the front

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/16.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/15.jpg

HOW LOW!
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/5-1.jpg

Original chasis rails. Now on the floor. These are being removed. Obviously.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/6-1.jpg

[Southie]

This looks bloody brilliant. Loving it :) The stance on it looks ideal, what wheels are you planning on running on it then?

Keep the goodness flowing.

[stevie-p]

as above :)

[t45_ste]

Engine mounts.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/9-2.jpg

Suspension mounts

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/14.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/12.jpg

In comparrison, mr smiley is 5ft 10"

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/22122009101.jpg

That is all for now

If anybody is intrested in any work being done, you can email tony at tony.mk4@ntlworld.com

[Iain]

You madman lol That looks awesome!

[daverobson]

wow this is the first of this ive seen, and im really impressed and jealous. subscribed :)

[MARTIN KELSON]

The work that has gone into this is imense & iam impressed.

Cant wait for more pictures!!!

[hybridturbo]

:thumb:

[xe Dan]

wow all i can say

[Plug]

wow thats lush :thumb:

as said which wheels are you going for? Colour also :d

[t45_ste]

wow thats lush :thumb:

as said which wheels are you going for? Colour also :d

Cheers for all the nice comments people :thumb:

Unsure of wheels yet. Somthing light weight maybe in the Rays range. Definatley 17"

Want a 7 or 8 inch front with an 8 or 9 inch rear.

As for colour, the shell is hoing to be carbon and the frame powdercoated in a really bright colour,

[Benn]

I simply don't know what else to say but Funk. Wow.

[scott.parker]

Your the man, well your mate is lol
Top fab work, are you worried about the angle of the drive shaft's at all, or have you figured something out to decrees it?

Scott

[burgo]

that thing is immence. i want

[t45_ste]

Your the man, well your mate is lol
Top fab work, are you worried about the angle of the drive shaft's at all, or have you figured something out to decrees it?

Scott

In the pictures tha shafts are not connected up.

They will sit level due to the engine not being lowered too much. Didnt want to start breaking CV's etc. It is however sat 3" further into the car so may help a little.

[Southie]

What's the car going to be used for when road worthy then? Uphill climbs, trackdays or just a car show off with pride. :)

[t45_ste]

What's the car going to be used for when road worthy then? Uphill climbs, trackdays or just a car show off with pride. :)

All of the above lol

It will be road legal but not very road friendly, what with no rubber bushes and tiny fly with twin plate clutch.

Mainly track days and hill climbs. Or as an ornament in the garage lol

[bmw156]

Fabrication work looks immense.

but is the tube a bit over sized? i know roll cage tubeing is like 32mm is this the same stuff? or bigger?

17" wheels on a race car. why? lol

and all that work and its still FWD. shame IMO

[Count Vaux Alot]

................speech less

[trackdaynova]

gotta be by far one of the wildest novas ever built? absolutely phenominal Ste :cool:

[t45_ste]

Fabrication work looks immense.

but is the tube a bit over sized? i know roll cage tubeing is like 32mm is this the same stuff? or bigger?

17" wheels on a race car. why? lol

and all that work and its still FWD. shame IMO

The tube is the same size as the roll cage tubing, what size would you recomend?

17" wheels have been used, to clear the brakes (yes i know smaller brake kits are available)

There are always plenty of 17" slicks available so makes for cheap tyres.

FWD have been proven to handle, supertourers etc didnt fancy RWD myself.

[bmw156]

The tube is the same size as the roll cage tubing, what size would you recomend? i would say roll tube stuff, but that looks alot bigger imo. maybe its just the pics up close or something lol.

17" wheels have been used, to clear the brakes (yes i know smaller brake kits are available) fair enough :)

There are always plenty of 17" slicks available so makes for cheap tyres.

FWD have been proven to handle, supertourers etc didnt fancy RWD myself. but it just isnt the same :d

see replies above

[Southie]

17" wheels on a race car. why?

Can you imagine it on 15" being that low, the tyres would be double the size of RJ's balloons lol

Well Ste I want to see this on it first outing wherever you take it. :thumb:

[t45_ste]

see replies above




lol Im too scared to drive rwd lol

[t45_ste]

................speech less

:thumb:

[sparkie1401]

WOW this is the dogs danglers

if it was a women, she would be naked 34DD, great at head and never have a head ache

Guin says how many beans to buy it

[t45_ste]

Are the beans magic? :)

[Plug]

carbon shell hey, now thats not going to be cheap but will look lush :thumb:

[L33 LEG]

simply amazing. if the shell becomes carbon with all the cage and that light green or orange it will probably be one of my favourite cars ever!

cant wait to see this thing finished.

[Plug]

/\ my thoughts exactly :thumb:

[bmw156]

i still think you could be runing smaller wheels like 15's

downgrade the brakes a tad so they fit under.

if the car is that light you wont need masive brakes.

and you would save some weight having smaller wheels

and for the height, just put the coilovers up some

[t45_ste]

Tthe car isnt going to be "that" (probably around the 700kg mark and with 280bhp and dont fancy trusting some of the smaller calipers. .

I dont really fancy buying another set of AP's either. Funds are tight.

all the supertourers, clio cups, seat leons run bigger wheels and dont have any problems.

Also the coilovers wont go up anymore due to being custom made.

I do understand where your coming from but it isnt really an option.

[t45_ste]

simply amazing. if the shell becomes carbon with all the cage and that light green or orange it will probably be one of my favourite cars ever!

cant wait to see this thing finished.

ha ha cheers. Thinking kawasaki green?

[bmw156]

lol. 280bp is high yeh.
700kg. is this just below the nomal weight of a nova?

all the super tourers run bigger wheels, but is yours a supertourer lol.
and lol to the coilovers

and im not having a dig at you. the car looks fantastic. but some things i dont understand :)

[t45_ste]

Constructive critism is good :)

The car may not be much lighter that a standard nova but the chasis is far more upto the job on track.

And yes i know it isnt a super tourer but cant see a huge problem with running a 17" wheel. Plenty of light wheels out there and an abundance of cheap tyres.

Just out of intrest have you had much experiance building race cars etc?

i personally havnt hece why there may be some odd looking things to those who have, its all a learning curve.

[bmw156]

Constructive critism is good :)

The car may not be much lighter that a standard nova but the chasis is far more upto the job on track.

And yes i know it isnt a super tourer but cant see a huge problem with running a 17" wheel. Plenty of light wheels out there and an abundance of cheap tyres.

Just out of intrest have you had much experiance building race cars etc?

i personally havnt hece why there may be some odd looking things to those who have, its all a learning curve.

there are plenty of racing novas who run standard shells. and seem to cope alright.

lol to your question about my experiance. building them. little. but learning about them. alot. my boss done a degree in motorsport engineering. and we have been working on his race car. and i read alot in general.

lol yeh life is one big learning curve. and i think everyone is always learing. this car could well go onto be a wining car and if so ill eat my words totally.

p.s F1 cars run 13" wheels. :d

[t45_ste]

there are plenty of racing novas who run standard shells. and seem to cope alright.

lol to your question about my experiance. building them. little. but learning about them. alot. my boss done a degree in motorsport engineering. and we have been working on his race car. and i read alot in general.

lol yeh life is one big learning curve. and i think everyone is always learing. this car could well go onto be a wining car and if so ill eat my words totally.

p.s F1 cars run 13" wheels. :d

Reading is definatley a good way of picking up ideas. Cool whats your boss do? What car he got?

Dont want peeps to eat there words i just like the idea of having somthing differant lol

278mm discs with 6 pot calipers arnt really available to the general public :p

[bmw156]

reading tis good.
and he is my boss, lol he is the technial engineer for medi plinth.
he used to race in the mini metro series. and now he has a fiat X1/9 space frame

and lol to the F1 wheels and brakes etc lol. my point was. they run 13" wheels and your running 17"s if they can fit them under 13" then im sure you can :D lol

[t45_ste]

X1/9 = old school cool :) would love to see some pics :d

I see the point about the 17's, im just going to have to suck it and see. IIRC i think simps has decided to go for a 17" on his loon.

[bmw156]

for some pics see a thread i started on it:)

http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=132209

[t45_ste]

cheers for the link. Looks very good, you not got any updates?

[Angus Closier]

ha ha cheers. Thinking kawasaki green?

Iv got 2l of kawasaki green 2k if you want it mate? pm me if you do!
Amazing project you got going!:thumb:

[bmw156]

not alot more has happened TBF.

he has been stripping paint and doing some more to it. its semi spaceframe btw.

and atm its on its roof and having the underside cleaned. then painted

[t45_ste]

Iv got 2l of kawasaki green 2k if you want it mate? pm me if you do!
Amazing project you got going!:thumb:

I think its getting powder coated but if not i will drop you a PM.

cheers

[Angus Closier]

Ahh fair enough! well if you do give me a pm!

[t45_ste]

:thumb:

[boffer8]

hi, read all the way through your thread and the space frame looks spot on, the only thing i would say is that compared to the sports protos that i work on that are lighter but take more force due to the aero package, i think you need to think about adding some more strengthening to your suspension top mounts (for the coilovers) as i would hate for you to go out the first time and one of them give way because you put one strengthening plate on instead of two, just an idea from the experience i have had with space frame stuff.
i have seen some with mounts in the wrong place and not adequatly strengthened crack badly and its taken a lot of effort to get them right.

Love the build and good luck with it all, cant wait to see it for real!

[t45_ste]

Cheers for the input. Do you mean on the front coilovers or the rear or both?

There is another tab to be added to the rears with a brace between them both.

I certainly dont want anything to fail lol especially the suspension.

BTW whats a sports proto? Please excuse me if im being thick.

[sparkie1401]

Are the beans magic? :)

no its just guiny currency, but he and i are extremely impressed, he waddled quite alotlol

(check his thread)

[boffer8]

i would say mostly the rear but would add a bit to the front too, on the front where you have an almost vertical plate welded to the mount itself on the front, add a bit more in the corners, the rears could be tied back down on to the spreader bar.

No not really someting you want to fail, i have seen it happen and its not pretty or cheap when you have to replace the whole rear space frame.

sorry sports proto is short for sports prototype, these are what i worked on, basically an F3 car with glass/carbon fibre drapped over it.

http://www.junoracing.co.uk/

[The Simps]

Stunning, mate, stunning!

Seeing this pic gets me excited!!

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/16.jpg

[blacktopcustomsuk]

this aint just a lowered spaced framed nova.(all the suspension has been moved up in the shell 3" for a better centre of gravity)thats why it sits so low.all the driveshafts,stearing arms and suspension arms all sit at nomal angles to cut down stress.the idea is to make as much mechanical grip as possible as there aint a lot of aero down force with a nova.my hat go,s off to ste for having the balls to even go ahead and have this car built.good point about the top mounts,theres still more work to be done in this area,cheers

[bmw156]

its probably abit late now. but for better strength and distrubition of the "forces" from the suspension. surly its better to have the suspension in this position [match the green dots]. so when the suspension "takes a blow" so to speak. it puts all the "forces" through the cage.
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7926/31111w.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/i/31111w.jpg/)

but im guessing you have done it this way to drop it down some more!

[Ben]

Looking excellent,

As they have both stated its still quite obviously a work in progress, lets see when its finished! As obviously an awful lot of thought and very highly skilled work has gone into this, its not just someone building it in a shed!

[The Simps]

its not just someone building it in a shed!


Nothing wrong with cars built in sheds :(

[bmw156]

Looking excellent,

As they have both stated its still quite obviously a work in progress, lets see when its finished! As obviously an awful lot of thought and very highly skilled work has gone into this, its not just someone building it in a shed!

lol. yeh i can see its a WIP but most of the important/structual work has been done IMO. smal bits of felting to be done yeh.

and no its not being built in a shed. but even some of the bigger companies are crap and they dont work in sheds!

[blacktopcustomsuk]

good to see all the comments,yeah theres still a bit of work to do at the rear but these will be addressed in the new year.the prof in the pudding is how it go,s round a track.

[t45_ste]

Hi Tony

Ive sent you an email with regards to the offset :thumb:

[Cle]

:eek::eek: wild !!!

[bmw156]

good to see all the comments,yeah theres still a bit of work to do at the rear but these will be addressed in the new year.the prof in the pudding is how it go,s round a track.

as said above, couldnt agree more.

[philip]

fooking awesome matey.....when its done have to sort a trackday, see if mine will go round a track or not haha.


btw is there going to be engouh clearance bwteen the rocker and bonnet, just it looks higher than the scuttle thats all:confused:

[t45_ste]

Will defo have to sort a trackday. Would be very competative :d

As for the bonnet, nothing a hump wont sort out 205 automatic styleee lol

[philip]

haha i like your thinking, would be nice to have a mooch in the flesh sometime if thats ok? dont think im that far from you:confused: lol

[Jonlem]

Some of the works looks totally overkill and some looks as I see mentioned maybe not strong enough BUT the standard of finish on that is epic. Someone has a real eye for detail, very impressive.

Only other car I think I know of that is as bonkers is Andrew Gallaghers carbon focus.

[t45_ste]

Cheers for all the comments :)

Theres alot more strengthening to be done but feel free to point out any areas that require more attention. Always helps to have another persons view :thumb:

[Will F]

Wow - I hadnt seen this for a while!

Totally nuts and I love it!

:)

[gunny]

My god, only just seen the last update and ive been waiting for pics like that to pop up, looks awesome pal :thumb:

[connor c]

that thing looks savage

[peester]

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/16.jpg

**** the ****in bed mate

[t45_ste]

Cheers :d

[Nick J]

Absolutely phenomenal fella. This project will be like Pepe was all them years ago with its huge spec and thinking outside the box ideas.... Id love to be able to fund something like this! :)

Nick.

[t45_ste]

Pepe really was a machine. the beauty of pepe was that it still looked like a nova. lol

[mayhem]

i never seen this thread..

will you marry me?

is it ok if i put a link to this thread on the Opel forum? this is THE BEST nova porn i've ever seen.

[t45_ste]

yeah link away :)

Marry.................erm i l ask my girlfriend if she wants to share me. Think i know what the answer may be.

[Connor]

nova porn :)

[mayhem]

yeah link away :)

Marry.................erm i l ask my girlfriend if she wants to share me. Think i know what the answer may be.

cheers

linky: http://www.opel-forum.nl/viewthread.php?tid=118119

i wont be in the way, just for dinner, the rest of the time i'm in youre garagelol

[Plug]

about time the thread was renamed :thumb:

[t45_ste]

lol Yeah i thought i best ask.

[stupot89]

just read this thread from start to finish and i must say I LOVE THIS CAR!! top work and i look forward to seeing it when its finished

[C2VXL]

I've saved this as my desktop backround. How mean does that look? If they ever make another mad max this should defo be in it. I say leave it like that ha ha.

All joking aside...Honestly, totally speachless. Can't believe the amount of work gone into this. Love to see it when done.

[sulphur]

I've never noticed this thread till now.

Hole-eeee sheeet. Wow!!

Some awesome work gone into that, no doubt the finished product will be immense! It looks so funking evil it's awesome! :thumb:

[Angus Closier]

I've saved this as my desktop backround. How mean does that look? .

me to....lol

As said amazing build going on buddy! keep the updates coming! :thumb:

[The Simps]

me to....lol



me three! lol

[scott.parker]

cheers

linky: http://www.opel-forum.nl/viewthread.php?tid=118119

i wont be in the way, just for dinner, the rest of the time i'm in youre garagelol

Umm suppose i could translate the replies, but im sure i can guess...

holly Shiite.

**** me!

Wow i love it, it's amazing etc etc lol

Get some of them guys to join on here mayhem, they'll love it :thumb:

Scott

[Pistol Pete]

Just had another read through. Awesome, just awesome.

Look forward to some new years up dates.

[mayhem]

Umm suppose i could translate the replies, but im sure i can guess...

holly Shiite.

**** me!

Wow i love it, it's amazing etc etc lol

Get some of them guys to join on here mayhem, they'll love it :thumb:

Scott

F*cking awsome

F*cking wow

too f*cking awsome

GimmeGimmeGimme

lol

[brainsnova]

new title, now needed new pics :D

[gunny]

Any body got a link to pepe?

[MK999]

F*cking awsome

F*cking wow

too f*cking awsome

GimmeGimmeGimme

lol

Has Mr David Verburg seen Ali G, or does that actually translate as "respect"? lol

[t45_ste]

Any body got a link to pepe?

Theres a thread on here that i started a year or so ago but there was never a build diary on here.

Used to be alot of mention of pepe on roybacer. Along with FlUsHiMoNs nova.

Heres a link to the thread i started http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90431

[scott.parker]

Has Mr David Verburg seen Ali G, or does that actually translate as "respect"? lol

Funny i did think that too!

[Count Vaux Alot]

Theres a thread on here that i started a year or so ago but there was never a build diary on here.

Used to be alot of mention of pepe on roybacer. Along with FlUsHiMoNs nova.

Heres a link to the thread i started http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90431

Very interesting car

[Dar]

I've only just stumbled accross this thread and crikey! I adore spaced framed cars! Just Awesome :d

[Count Vaux Alot]

I've only just stumbled accross this thread and crikey! I adore spaced framed cars! Just Awesome :d

Indeed it is i can't wait to see it in the flesh :cool:

[Benn]

Theres a thread on here that i started a year or so ago but there was never a build diary on here.

Used to be alot of mention of pepe on roybacer. Along with FlUsHiMoNs nova.

Heres a link to the thread i started http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90431

I love Flushes car, i really wish he'd do a thread on here. The last pics i saw it looked amazing. The spec lit is longer than my leg.
He's still on here too.

[Edd]

insane project.

looks awesome.

[ben doodar]

awesome car mate. stunning!

[blacktopcustomsuk]

ste, got a good idea for the rear susspension.will solve a few problems and look cool as f**k.will make some templates tomorrow.

[t45_ste]

Not much of an update but iv sorted the wheel situation out.

Bought a set of weds sport racing TC05 17" wheels.

Very JDM :)

http://i.ebayimg.com/11/!BiwzN)g!Wk~$(KGrHqIOKigEsl5RZOz7BLQl9)TlRQ~~_12.J PG

[Connor]

oh those wheels are sex :p

[The Simps]

dribble dribble drewl

[Welshy]

I like :thumb:

[Plug]

the wheels will defo suit the car mate :)

[t45_ste]

dribble dribble drewl

lol

[Southie]

Congratulations on the 2009 Best WIP as voted by PNG members (you wouldn't know that though) lol :thumb: Deserved.

[t45_ste]

Wow, really?

Should probably become a member again :d

There really are far better wip threads on this board though.

[Southie]

Yes really lol

Here's the proof.

View Poll Results: Best WIP
t45_Ste 18 26.09%
Countvauxalot 5 7.25%
Iainel 9 13.04%
Simps 6 8.70%
Burgo 6 8.70%
Benn 7 10.14%
Nick J 3 4.35%
Nobbysnova 1 1.45%
Sparkie 6 8.70%
Colins 4x4 project 8 11.59%
Voters: 69. This poll is closed

[t45_ste]

shucks lol

[bmw156]

lol well done mate. but isnt it ironic, how the best WIP was won by someone who isnt doing the work them selves...

[t45_ste]

lol supose it is. Its still a work in progress

[Graeme]

How catty is that comment? Jealousy will get you no where mate

[scott.parker]

lol well done mate. but isnt it ironic, how the best WIP was won by someone who isnt doing the work them selves...

I think that's a bit silly to say, as it's not who does the work, it's how good the thread is etc, i dont think there is many on here who could do ALL the work to there cars, some can granted.

Scott

[Southie]

It's not always about the graft though, without ideas a project is nothing. Ste please tell me that you had ideas for this or I'll look a tit lol

[andy_mk3]

Just read though this whole thread, amazing attention to detail and high quality of work. Really impressed! Thread subscribed :)

[Count Vaux Alot]

lol well done mate. but isnt it ironic, how the best WIP was won by someone who isnt doing the work them selves...

I'm not sure whether that comment was necessary. Its the best WIP not the best work carried out by some one and documented in a WIP thread, if generally people found this thread better and more enjoyable to read than mine then it deserves to win simple as.

Ste well done mate and a top wip it is too :thumb:

[t45_ste]

It's not always about the graft though, without ideas a project is nothing. Ste please tell me that you had ideas for this or I'll look a tit lol

lol Yeah i had ideas, tonys tweaked them as obviousley he knows the right/wrong way of doing things.

I openly admit i dont have the skills nor the equipment to fabricate this car. Buying the engine second hand rather than building it is far more viable, this isnt a no expense spared build.

I will be making the loom, plumbing in brakes, coolant, fuel and oil system. I have made changes to the engine ie adding dry sump.

If anthing ever needed maching i.e rose joint inserts, bushes hub carriers i do all this and some basic tiging at work.

Admitidley i havnt taken photos and documented everthing that has been done not really my thing. i just like to stick photos up to show people whats being built.

And when it comes to building the car up i will be doing it with tony. basically the putting all the suspension on, engine/gearbox in etc.

[t45_ste]

I'm not sure whether that comment was necessary. Its the best WIP not the best work carried out by some one and documented in a WIP thread, if generally people found this thread better and more enjoyable to read than mine then it deserves to win simple as.

Ste well done mate and a top wip it is too :thumb:

Thats what shocked me, i actually didnt know people voted on this sort of thing but i genuinely would of expected yours to get more votes.

Lets hope all these projects are finished in 2010 and we get some trrack time together. (EDIT that sounds gay lol)

[Count Vaux Alot]

Indeed mate heres to seeing these cars on track in 2010

[MattBrown]

I'm not sure whether that comment was necessary. Its the best WIP not the best work carried out by some one and documented in a WIP thread, if generally people found this thread better and more enjoyable to read than mine then it deserves to win simple as.

Ste well done mate and a top wip it is too :thumb:

I can see where he is coming from, but then again, I am doing everything for mine, but paintwork, I am going no where near it!

Like I will be stood 300FT from it when he paints it for me!

So I guess mine isnt all my own work, but all the welding/bashing/engine workings are mine!

Choice of stereo is the gf, as is the stripped or interior choice lol

[Danny s-p]

all i can say is wow. well done mate it will look so mint when it done

[bmw156]

the comment wasnt said as a dig, i just cant see the logic.

when there are other people, you count being one, who are doing 90% of the work your self if not 100%. and many others. and there is very small credit given.

yeh ste i fully understand everyone has boundries in what they can and cant do. we all do. it is no way a dig at you, but why does someone who does some mechanical work, and takes pics and has a fair amount of money. get the best WIP.

like i said. ste this isnt a dig at you, or what your doing.

[Count Vaux Alot]

/\ fair enough, but like i said the vote said what the vote said so thats that.

[Ben]

the comment wasnt said as a dig, i just cant see the logic.

when there are other people, you count being one, who are doing 90% of the work your self if not 100%. and many others. and there is very small credit given.

yeh ste i fully understand everyone has boundries in what they can and cant do. we all do. it is no way a dig at you, but why does someone who does some mechanical work, and takes pics and has a fair amount of money. get the best WIP.

like i said. ste this isnt a dig at you, or what your doing.

It does seem like you have some issues, you try to pull this thread apart at any given instance.

There are very very few wip threads where the person has done all the fabrication, built there own engine, painted the car and assembled it all.

[The Simps]

For me, this wip isn't necessarily the most informative in the sense of step by step guide of what was done, or frequently updated like how iainel or counts are but I think the admiration comes from the fact its so radical. Most wips on here are mostly fairly similar, just another XE trackcar for example, where this is quite out the box and most people were probably petting themselves quite heavilly after the last bunch of pics.

I want to take nothing away from any other wips as everyone adds there own little touches that makes there cars stand out and thats what its all about. This car just sets the bar.

My 2p.

[Benn]

^ i agree, for me its a bit of everything. But pushing the boundarys and doing stuff other haven't makes a great wip.

Ste's doing something no one else has done.

[bmw156]

It does seem like you have some issues, you try to pull this thread apart at any given instance.

There are very very few wip threads where the person has done all the fabrication, built there own engine, painted the car and assembled it all.

lol i dont have issues. i was given my 2p about what i thought. what would be the point in spending loads of money if its ****e in the end. i have freedom of speech

yes simps. he is setting a new standard and being radical. maybe thats why he won the best WIP. i agree its a good thread with good craftmans ship and good documentation.

p.s im not going to loose sleep tonight over wha is or isnt being done on the project. i just question things that dont look right.

[Southie]

Can we let Ste's WIP get back on track now lol

Updates???

[bmw156]

Can we let Ste's WIP get back on track now lol

Updates???
:d yeh. updates are good

[mayhem]

stop hating en let the ultimate nova build continue.

[t45_ste]

meh lol

[blacktopcustomsuk]

seems like this ones opened up a can of worms.

[Andy_L]

seems like this ones opened up a can of worms.

Less time spent on the internet and more time spent on Ste's car please :thumb:

With the wheels what was the original idea with having wheels wider at the back than front? How would it have affected the handling??

Crackin work :cool:

[t45_ste]

lol

The idea of wider back than fronts was mine and has been scrapped due to not really giving any advantages lol

After a bit of reading wider doesnt always = better grip so 7j are being used all round.

[kevster]

dont really know how to put this but .

wow !!!!!!

hat off to ya dude !

thanks kevin

[bmw156]

lol not that im shooting you down, but surly more rubber on the floor always = more grip.

it would give more advantages in a RWD drive car as all the power is in the rears.

on a flip note, does that mean FWD cars should have wider fronts lol

awaits the fook off comments lol

[MK999]

lol not that im shooting you down, but surly more rubber on the floor always = more grip.

Yes it does, that's why wider wheels don't always give you more grip. There's an optimum width for a set vehicle weight, obviously things like sidewall stiffness come into it, but basically the wider a wheel, the wider side to side, and the thinner front to back the contact patch becomes due to the fact the weight of the vehicle squashes the tyre against the floor.

[kevster]

a wide track has it's up's and down's but dont hold me to it ! lol
anyway this build is just as good as nick's , keith's,
and the fabrication is neer on par to the god austin ,:)

[MK999]

track width is the distance between the 2 wheels, not the width of either? Not sure which you meant. Pretty much anything you can change on a car has it's ups and downs, as they say you never get something for nothing.

[bmw156]

just googled, and got this. seems interesting.

quoted
"We race a Formula car (Reynard) with 6 inch front and 8 inch rear..here is a recap of discussions about going to 8 inch front and 10 inch rear.
Downside of larger tires
More rolling resistance.
Harder to get heat in them.
More aero drag.
More unsprung weight.

Bigger wheels = heavier wheels and more rolling mass = equal or even slower lap times. The wider wheels (tires) have no proven advantage at all.
1 - The cars will accelerate slightly slower because of the greater MOI of the heavier wheels and tires.

2 - The cars will be a bit slower in a straight line because of the extra drag.

3 - Assuming that there is a diameter difference ( I honestly don't know - never looked at the spec comparisons), geometry may be adversely affected - camber curves may need to be VERY different.

4 - If the car was at max width with the smaller tires, with the wider tires offset inwards to match the max width, scrub radiuses will be adversely affected. Without making major changes to the upright geometry, this will necessitate caster changes that may be out of the range of available adjustment

5 - If the wider tires are used on a car that wasn't already at max width, the above doesn't apply, assuming that the center of the contact patch can be placed at the same widths, though caster changes may still be necessary for decent steering effort.

6 - If the tires have to place all their extra width inboard, suspension interference can become an issue, especially front lock availability. Front wing interference might also become an issue on many cars.

7 - Differences in lateral and vertical tire spring rate will necessitate different springs and shock valving ( already necessary because of the greater unsprung weight). These differences might also necessitate changes to the RC heights.

There's a lot more, but you should get the gist of what I'm saying : Just throwing on a wider set of tires proves NOTHING one way or the other. It is ONLY when the car gets optimized (which might necessitate cutting and welding) for the wider tires that you can start to get legitimate answers.

Aero footprint-wise, one of the biggest factors is the width of the contact patch, and therefore the width of the high pressure wedge of air that is being pushed just ahead of it. Wider = more drag (and lift). Some old SAE papers actually show that both ( drag and lift) can be decreased almost linearly with grooves in the tread, but obviously at the expense of contact patch area. Overall width played a larger role than height, but the percentage differences were small. The shape of the shoulder ( how square or round) played a major role.

The wheel design also will play a major role in aero drag - try a spin coast down test with different designs and you'll be in for a surprise.


The next big factor will be getting heat in the rubber - generally a bit harder to do with the bigger tires as the unit loading of the contact patch is decreased - but this can be overcome quite a lot with the right shock valving, and gets helped big time when the track temps are sky-high - when the skinny tires are more prone to over-heating unless you go to harder compounds. Fat tires will generally allow the use of much softer compounds, even in the high heat situations. Under these conditions, the fat tires will almost assuredly have a big advantage at tight, twisty tracks."

[Count Vaux Alot]

lol not that im shooting you down, but surly more rubber on the floor always = more grip.

it would give more advantages in a RWD drive car as all the power is in the rears.

on a flip note, does that mean FWD cars should have wider fronts lol

awaits the fook off comments lol

IIRC there comes a point were increased surface area does not equal increased grip, i'm sure there is an equation. Something to do with pressure per square inch, as the contact area increases past a certain point the grip actually decreases or something like that lol

[t45_ste]

lol
After a bit of reading wider doesnt always = better grip so 7j are being used all round.

Theres so much to take into account when choosing tyres. Compounds, wall stiffness/height this then effects spring rates and damper settings.

Also drag, having a nice wide sticky wheel on the back is going to increase drag. As iv said befor though, it is all a learning curve.

I decided to go for a fairly obtainable size 7j, i can then work from there as the price of wide wheels in the correct offset and stud pattern is just too much for me at the moment.

[The Simps]

does look cool tho...

[kevster]

track width is the distance between the 2 wheels, not the width of either? Not sure which you meant. Pretty much anything you can change on a car has it's ups and downs, as they say you never get something for nothing.
thats what i meant dude :thumb:

[MK999]

thats what i meant dude :thumb:

Gets more responsive/twitchier as it gets bigger in relation to the wheelbase, that's pretty much the up and downside in one... depends how quick your driver is lol

[kevster]

Lol

[Count Vaux Alot]

does look cool tho...

:gay:

[L14MNP]

I just found you RML works coilovers whilst Googling lol.

Nice find! I echo all other comments on here. Fantastic build mate. Any updates?

[djbrowney]

i though we were getting an up date :(

dam you

[adam c]

Put the wallpaper down and post another spunky update:cool:

[muzzy]

I can't believe this thread has been going so long and I haven't noticed it!

The car is incredible, the workmanship put in looks to be top notch too. Should be a very interesting car to see on a track.

Hat's off to everyone involved with this build so far.

[krobinson]

Love it, Cant wait for more updates!

[dj_wudgey]

Stunning, mate, stunning!

Seeing this pic gets me excited!!

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/16.jpg


that looks the fooking bomb!!

[Lee]

How did i miss this? Im eating some cheese on toast, and I just stared at the above pic with some cheese hanging out of my mouth like a spaz lol

Looks proper this thing!!!!!

[Lee]

IIRC there comes a point were increased surface area does not equal increased grip, i'm sure there is an equation. Something to do with pressure per square inch, as the contact area increases past a certain point the grip actually decreases or something like that lol

Its normally a heat issue, we were worried we were going to get these issues on Dans car.

[Eck]

Next level stuff.

[Big_Chap]

15 pages since last pics! can we see more?... :)

[dj_wudgey]

15 pages since last pics! can we see more?... :)

thats what im thinking dude we want more pics!!

[t45_ste]

Put the wallpaper down and post another spunky update:cool:

lol Very busy with house stuff at the mo, but have been in the process of sorting out my clark motorsports ****y effort of wide track lower arms. :mad:

have also made some titanium tie bars also and converted to a 5x100 wheel.

Pics soon but dont currently have the tint at home......

[turbo-boy]

wow this thing looks the job alright some time has went into this. get more pics up. what bhp you wanting out of the xe?

[t45_ste]

Was last RR'd at 275bhp. A dry sump system and new exhaust have been added since.

[dj_wudgey]

sweet mate im awaiting more pics any way as this is super cool lol

[The Simps]

Any particular reason for 5x100? Is it a common offset?

[t45_ste]

gone 5 x100 as there are loads of light weight jap wheels in this PCD.

[The Simps]

Cool cool

[Angus Closier]

This is amazing as per!! Get some more porn pics up!

[BIGS]

anymore updates? what system have you gone for? and i think it would be good to do a rr day when its running and see what it makes with my manifold. would be around 300bhp then would it not? :confused:

[t45_ste]

There are updates i hust havnt had chance to upload the photos. Find it a pain in the ass.

Now running scooby 5x100 bells with 330mm alcon rotors.

Front hubs re machined to accept the bells/wheels

Rear discs re-drilled and tapped to 5x100

Lower arms re-welded with new bearing carriers as the clark motorsport versions were dog ****.

Arms modified to run the tie-bars backwards

Tie bars made from titanium

Carbon fibre extinguishers purchased :)

Wiring loom nearly sorted

Brake lines nearly sorted

Tony will hopefully be starting the moulds for the body some time soon.

As for the manifold i doubt it will make much of a differance. According to one of the receipt's the manifold was made to swindons recomendations.

[Sloth]

have you told jim clark that they are dogger? i'd have loved to have seen their faces. top build, whens she gonna be done for?

[t45_ste]

have you told jim clark that they are dogger? i'd have loved to have seen their faces. top build, whens she gonna be done for?

I told them that the tie bar mounts they send were ****e after waiting over 3 months for the kit. They replaced these.

Since then i have noticed the rear beam extensions are welded on on the piss (not using this now).

Wishbone bearing carriers were welded on at differant angles, both of them wrong.

The welds all the way down the wishbones hadnt even penetrated the the steel so had to dig it all out with the miller and re weld them.

All the rose joit spacers were wrong so had to make some from scratch.

Awfull :mad:

[Sloth]

i'd be asking for full refunds. sale of goods act mate....

[t45_ste]

Too far gone, recieved the kit years ago now. I sent the tie bar brackets back, they replaced these but it wasnt until the other parts were on the car that i noticed how shoddy they were.

[Sloth]

bummer, so pics? :d

[t45_ste]

lol Pics will come when i can be assed to upload them onto photo bucket.

[Sloth]

go on then.... :d

[dj_wudgey]

im with sloth get it done felle there no where near enuff on here!!

[Danny s-p]

pic's pic's pic's pic's pic's lol please:d

[BIGS]

Post pics and ill update my thread :d


































With one pic lol

[burgo]

there are already some unseen pics in his photobucket :p yes its unlocked :d

[t45_ste]

A few update pics. Doesnt look like much but has taken me hours lol

Standard GM 5x110 hub

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/18022010237.jpg

Countersink the holes and screw in some old studs

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/18022010238.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/18022010241.jpg

Cut studs off and tig weld in on both sides

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/18022010240.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/18022010247.jpg

Take a skim

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/19022010248.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/19022010249.jpg

I then re drilled on the miller to 5x100 and pushed splined studs in. These then had a small tack put on the back, notice there is a lip on the hub as well, this was put on to allow the disc to locate.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/21052010387.jpg

Said disc

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/21052010383.jpg





Take a walden engineering lower arm

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/15022010214.jpg

Chissel off as i want the tie bars to run backwards

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/15022010223.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/15022010226.jpg

Make a template out of cardboard for the tie bar bracket

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/15022010220.jpg
Cut 4 out of 10's gauge steel and drill 25mm holes in to allow a stronger weld

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/17022010229.jpg

[t45_ste]

The lower arm ball joit bearing carriers were welded on at differant and the wrong angles.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/22022010261.jpg

These were put in the miller at 16deg and machined off

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/04032010294.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/05032010296.jpg

These were bought from mcgill motorsport

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/24022010275.jpg

The bearings supplied were a poor fit so i vibro etched them :d

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/24022010278.jpg

These were then welded on here

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/05032010298.jpg

All the original welds on the lower arms were then dug out on the miller and re welded

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/21052010390.jpg

[t45_ste]

Turn this

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/05032010295.jpg

Into this

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/21052010385.jpg

Photo of arm and tie bar complete

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/21052010384.jpg

On the car, cant put tie bar on properly until floor is cut out.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/21052010378.jpg

Ball joint end

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/21052010394.jpg

Rear bush, tony has stll got the top plate to weld on.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/21052010395.jpg
Disc on car

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/21052010381.jpg

Front wheel on

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/21052010393.jpg

Rear wheel on. DIscs were redrilled and tapped.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd315/ste_ed/21052010389.jpg

Sorry for lack of photos, not always easy to work and remember.

Car has now to be built up and put back on the floor, tony is tehn going to start making moulds whilst i do a dry build with all the brake line, wiring loom and fuel system.

[BRoadGhost]

I recently made some tiebars too …although not from titanium; looks like the bomb proof solution with those arms reinforced.

Please tell me those aren't the actual wheel you'll be running on it.

[t45_ste]

lol Afraid so. Incredibly light, weds sport racing. There will be others though.

[Balley]

Nice build :D

[Benn]

Arms are porn dude, is the disc safe with only a small cut out around the stud?

[NovaLad]

Good engineering!

Great work!

[t45_ste]

Arms are porn dude, is the disc safe with only a small cut out around the stud?

Cheers ben, yeah discs are perfectly fine :)

[Benn]

Cool cool, just looks small. Must be safe tho. Love what you did with the hubs too.

[t45_ste]

Yeah its safe, they are made by alcon so trust they know what they are doing.

[Pistol Pete]

Awesome fab skills. Please, this thread needs pics. Its the law lol

[Jonlem]

Bottom arms are porn, don't suppose I can interest you in some cnc ones now lol

[dj_wudgey]

mate youve got some skills this thread is pure porn!!

[t45_ste]

Bottom arms are porn, don't suppose I can interest you in some cnc ones now lol

lol Funny you should say that, iv been looking at writing a program to try and make some from alloy.

Im still learning at the mo as i dont do it for a job. Want to get it finished then i can mess at a later date.

Do you have somebody already lined up to make some?

[Count Vaux Alot]

Very nice mate good update

[djbrowney]

cracking arms buddy lol

im watching ^^^^

[burgo]

facking awesome fab work, truly wish i had your skills

[t45_ste]

Cheers everyone for the nice comments :)

[Andy]

you are sick!! lol
Extremely good work mate,fab skills are a1

[Southie]

Awesome just awesome :cool:

[Ben]

excellent!

[discoinferno]

excellent work :) good bit of turning and welding skills on the bottom arms:cool::cool::cool::cool:

[t45_ste]

excellent work :) good bit of turning and welding skills on the bottom arms:cool::cool::cool::cool:

Cant take all the credit for the welding, i had tony weld one of the arms up :)

[discoinferno]

Cant take all the credit for the welding, i had tony weld one of the arms up :)

even so looks excellent :)

[Jonlem]

lol Funny you should say that, iv been looking at writing a program to try and make some from alloy.

Im still learning at the mo as i dont do it for a job. Want to get it finished then i can mess at a later date.

Do you have somebody already lined up to make some?

Yes I know of someone willing to make some, no idea on costs, would be based on the Ford WRC item though.

[stt]

Wow, just spent over an hour reading it from the start

I see you're using CDS for the rear wishbones

what tubing are you using for the spaceframe?

is it 38mm 12swg CDS or T45?

i think ive just answered my question by looking at your user name! lol

[t45_ste]

I wish it was T45, my user name comes from originally planning on running twin 45 carbs lol

I will have to get back to you on the material as tony bought it all in.

[stt]

i expect if its not t45 then it will be cds,

shame its not t45 as thats 1.5 kg/m (fia spec) compared to 3kg/m for 12swg CDS!

but then its also double the price!

[Southie]

Ste where are you getting your ideas from for the build, have you been involved in a similar project or is this all new. I've never seen a build like this so it's a damn good read and very inventive.

[t45_ste]

I did find a local chap who builds land rover cages who could of suplied a T45 equivilant but cheaper. Cant remember the grade though.

[t45_ste]

Ste where are you getting your ideas from for the build, have you been involved in a similar project or is this all new. I've never seen a build like this so it's a damn good read and very inventive.

Its my first major project, i leave the space framing to Tony but do have some input and he's very open to this.

Im lucky as i work for a very large engineering firm in the machine tool maintenance department so have acces to alot of equipment and experiance.