Stoo's DC5

[Stoo]

I know of quite a few SC'd DC5's, EP3's, Ariel Atoms etc running perfectly well..

There is always the niggling doubt with any build

[Ben]

Yeah too true, i dont know much about Honda's at all, obviously know they are pretty bullet proof but same as anything else when you push the boundries you push your luck.

Is there a rule of thumb to stick between?

[Stoo]

Well, the biggest issue is heat and knock.High compression engine see.
And these can't be intercooled.
They can be after cooled but it isn't great.

So usually, around 7psi, which is what I have is safe.
Good for 300bhp easily and realible too

I am looking in to water meth for the future.

[Andy]

thats the fukkin sex

[Lee H]

I can't seem to play the video, it opens up another page but can't watch anything?

I fail at computers!!

Edit - got it working on my phone now.

[boffer8]

Thats impressive i must say, what torque figure you getting? when i was in malaysia i was working on a NA DC5 in the ATCS and that was getting 278whp, however that was a full race engine with the VTEC removed. Good work pal!

[Prey]

Looks like fun!

[Stoo]

It was about 183lbft atw.

Which is 215lbft fly torque.

Mmmmmmm ATCS DC5s driooooool

[Stoo]

So today i re-fitted all the rear interior...

The combo of solid mounts amplifying every little noise, road noise and the exhaust, it got too much.
So its all back in and so much quieter :)

I think the weight is negligible now anyhow!!

I also had my drivers side engine mount out to give that a tighten up as i was getting excessive engine movement and this was the prime suspect...
All sorted now.

Also today, I got a few boxes from OPIE :)

[Stoo]

Cheers Postie :)
& OPIE Oils!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y293/Novastyla/DC5%20-%20R111%20TEG/DSC_1394.jpg

[Stoo]

So, everything is on hold for now.....

I got told yesterday at 3PM, 'Cancel everything planned, You're off to Afghanistan in 3 weeks for 3 months!!!'

Winner!
I will accumulate bits over the coming months though and no doubt have a fitting splurge when I get back!

Top priority is brakes!!
I have got or have sourced all of it already However.

I am going for;
TGM Hoses
RBF 600 Fluid
Paul G Front Discs (2 piece AP discs with Aly Bells) AMAZING!
DS2500 Front Pads
OEM Rear Discs
Yellowstuff Rear Pads

Also on the list....
Gauges (Oil press/Oil Temp definitely, Possibly Boost, Poss AFR, Poss EGT) Yet to decide
Oil Cooler
Baffled sump
Tyres (AD08s or RS-Rs)
Paint Bumpers
Mesh grille
Refurb Calipers
Bla bla....

On another note, I need someone to look after the motor when I'm away. Give it a run out once a week and so on.
My wife drove it tonight and shat in her pants pretty much!

I'll have to ask my best mate I think!
There's no way I trust her to take it out once a week!! Hahaha!

[Pistol Pete]

Hope you have a safe trip.

Look forward to updates when you return. And your mate is very lucky lol

[Jack]

Can't you hide it in the back of a tristar and take it with you? Mount a machine gun and use it as a technical..? lol

[Stoo]

Highly unlikely jack.
Not where I'm going lol!

[Stuart]

imho mixing pad compounds as severely as that would make the ABS work its tits off far too hard...

Stick to atleast the same brand front and rear, ideally same compound too.

[steviegsi]

Awesome. Excellent video too, love the fast and furious gear changes!

[Stoo]

Stu, proven set up on the DC5 mate
OEM brakes are atrocious despite the brembos!!

Rear hardly does any braking and the Fronts are a huge improvement over stock so that little extra at the back helps balance it again.

Cheers stevie

[Stuart]

Hmm fair enough. I know that FWD cars do feck all at the back ;) but its been 'proven' that mixing rude spec fronts with ****e spec (read that as 'grippier when cold than the fronts') makes the back end twitchy, or in ABS's case, makes it work hard and start cooking fluid :(

Can you get freddo 25's for the rear too? (or even 3K's but they might be stupid money)

[Stoo]

Yeah I get you mate. I'll see how they go
Although, I'm not sure you get just how shocking the brakes on these can be.
The HUGE upgrade up front will balance out the rear mismatch.
The only reason I have the YS's is cos I was given them!

Yeah you can get 2500s for the rear
May look in to them at some point

[Stuart]

I know how bad OEM brakes on a 'fastish' car can be... Seems to be the one thing that gets overlooked by the cheap end of the car market :( I guess putting a £2K brake upgrade option on a list would see a low take up.

[Stoo]

See it all the time with most 'warm' cars now.

Unless its got a fancy badge then brakes are an afterthought!
Even M3s!!

[Stoo]

So

Rays black superlight locking Wheel nuts FTW
(cheers drew/harv)
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HIT AND RUN FTMFL!!!!! :(
Fuming!
Rear bumper definitely needs paint now!!!!
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[Connor]

Ahhh thats sh1t mate, damage could of been worse though

[Stoo]

Yeah true.

Needed Paint anyway.

[Stoo]

Picked up a Cusco oil catch tank, DRE Shift light and ordered a parcel shelf last night.

DRE Shift light fitted.
Piece of cake, took about 5 mins.
Got it mounted to the wheel cowling in front of the clocks with a bit of sticky foam.

Illumination is
Blue, Blue, Blue, Amber, RED!!
Pretty bright too.

Got it set so the first LED illuminates at 7800RPM, then 8000, then 8200, then 8400 and then the Red flashes at 8600RPM
Quite a nifty bit of kit :D

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[AdamK]

looks good mate you got the bumper sorted yet?

[Stoo]

Nah not yet mate, soon though.

[Saloony]

Rev light?? What the point of the rev counter then?

[Stoo]

Lights are very bright in your peripheral vision so theres no need to have your eyes off the road/track.

Plenty of people use them, including F1 cars!

[Saloony]

Would say the counter is more in view, but what ever tickles your winky

[Stoo]

Not If your completely focussed on the road.

You need to take your eyes away and refocus on the needle/dial whereas the lights in your peripheral vision negate the need to look elsewhere.

Trust me it works

[Saloony]

Not doubting it working/works, just to me seems pointless. Sound and feel, and counter for assistance.

[MK999]

Helps to get it a tad more accurate, but then again your shift point changes in every gear and it takes an accelerometer to judge where that should be really (the ar$e dyno is not so accurate) I wouldn't use one myself but I see the point of it.

[peester]

i like the shift lights, just not the adhiesive tape holding them down..

[Stoo]

Agreed peest. On the list to change ;)

My shift point is always the same now I have the shift lights ;)
A couple of hundred revs before the limiter.

I'd love to say it's at the point power drops off but it's making power all the way to the redline and power is only Limited by revs. If it revved higher it'd produce more!

[Stoo]

Sound/feel isn't always easy with a helmet on, windows up etc.
Concentration levels can get the better of you.

[MK999]

I'd love to say it's at the point power drops off but it's making power all the way to the redline and power is only Limited by revs. If it revved higher it'd produce more!

Fair point, your shift point most likely is the same in every gear then.

Also, common misconception that shift point should be the point where power starts to drop, peak power should be smack bang in the centre of your rev range, not at the top.

[Stoo]

Why would you rev much higher than the peak Power? If it drops off quite quickly then it's time to change.

[MK999]

Why would you rev much higher than the peak Power? If it drops off quite quickly then it's time to change.

You want the highest average power across your gear, from start to finish, going 'up the hill' to the peak and then starting at the bottom doesn't achieve that, starting halfway up the hill and going right over to the halfway on the other side does.

[Stoo]

I see your point but it's not really relevant to me, as I said, linear power with no drop off.

[scott.parker]

**** to here, see the bumper mate, i hate it when ****s have no regard for others cars etc, i hate parking in big carparks like tesco, always find a dent most times...

[Stoo]

Been on an unofficial 1/4 mile day today run by straightliners.

I just couldnt get this thing to launch properly, anyhow..
Shift light worked well!

Hit 13.6s@107mph*
2.30s 60ft
130.2mph over 1/2 mile.*

I was only 2mph over the 1/2 mile behind a new m3 :)

I was expecting quicker and I'm sure with better tyres and a better launch it will go quicker.*

Driver error on my part as I'm no drag pro!!

I will say though, as the day went on my times got worse as my launch hot better and a lot of people said the same so I'm not so sure of the accuracy of the timing. It was also very slightly uphill and a strong headwind on the airfield.

[MK999]

I see your point but it's not really relevant to me, as I said, linear power with no drop off.

Hence:

Fair point, your shift point most likely is the same in every gear then.

However, common misconception stands :p

[Lee H]

That 60ft really spoilt your times tbh. I was doing 2.1 with XE Nova on standard diff but lots of practice which obviously helps massively.

Fair play on the terminal though,
MR2 did 13.4 @ 99mph so if you sorted the launch you would destroy that time.

[Stoo]

Oh for absolute sure mate.

The surface was absolutely shocking.
It's like rough concrete airfield surface which switches to smooth tarmac at the 60ft point with a slight drop off the concrete to asphalt which caused me to spin up again losing precious time.

No doubt at a proper strip with decent tyres, it should be in the very low 13- very high 12s.

Did you see the 1/2 mile speed too.

I have 130.5mph on a slip here.
However,
A brand new M3 V8 ran 12.9s 1/4s all day with consistent 132mph 1/2 mile speeds!

So, with the right launch....

[Lee H]

With the right launch I would say low 13's for sure.

I destroyed a new BMW 135 M sport by a second over the 1/4 in the MR2, to say he wasnt happy to lose to a rusty 25 year old car would be an understatement!

[Stoo]

LOL!
I was against a TVR Chimera that was running consistent 12.7s all day today and apart from my launch where he edged ahead, I stayed the same distance from him up to the 1/4 mile line.

So yeah, new tyres it is then!! lol!

[Stoo]

Decided I'm gonna go back to OEM shocks and eibach springs as I really can't get on with coilovers. I can't set them up how I want them and I liked the eibachs on my old cars so....

The BCs will be up for sale when I get back and I've just paid for a set of eibach springs off Dave Fox. Cheers dude.

Fitted some gathers rear speakers today too courtesy of weggy to give it a bit more sound. Miles happier!! I think I may go for an active 10" sub to give my toons more punch (d&b/dubstep etc)

Still waiting on my parcel shelf to come though.

Got a massive list of bits to buy/fit when I get back http://type-r-owners.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

[Stoo]

Just bought some DEFI Oil Temp, Oil Pressure and Boost Gauges with Controller, all wiring and sensors

BF series, amber illumination.

Happy Stoo :)

[Andy]

You've got too much money! lol

[Iain]

Got a link to the gauges? Sound fancy

[Stoo]

Haha I wish!!
I'm off to the desert again on Tues for 3 months to pay for it all!!

[Andy]

Its really nice,top notch bits and the colour just makes it for me.
Excellent stuff.
Oh so in 3 months there will be some more goodies??

[Stoo]

I'll give you a spec list of as it stands now with a list of things to come/to be fitted when I return.

283.6 WHP / 182lbft WTQ (335-345 Fly HP)

Modifications

**Engine**
Gruppe M Airbox
SFS Induction hose
Throttle Body heater bypass mod
Jackson Racing Supercharger
3.4" Race Pulley
Comptech Auto tensioner
RC 650cc Injectors
Hondata K-Pro (MASE Tuned)
Buddy Club 4-2-1 Manifold
Trust Ti-C Exhaust
Skunk2 Magnetic Drain Plugs
Spoon Sports Reservoir Covers
SFS Coolant hoses
Siloklene/Fuchs Pro-S 5w-40
HAMP Filter
Anodized Blue 'R' Battery Tie Bar

**Transmission**
BuddyClub Short Shifter
Competition Clutches Stage 1 Clutch

**Wheels/Tyres**
17x7.5 ET43 Rays Grams Light Optimise (Time Attack Edition)
Rays Duralumin Anodized Locking Wheel nuts (Black)
215/45/17 Bridgestone Potenza RE040 Tyres

**Suspension**
BC Racing BR Series Coilovers with Camber Adjustable Top Mounts
SPC Rear Camber Arms
TGM Fast Road Geometry
J's Racing Upper Front Strut Brace
Innovative 75A Engine Mounts

**Exterior**
Ings+1 Front Lip
Wind Deflectors
C-Pack Tints
Rear wiper removed
Jazz Washer Jets
Red-out Tail lights
Philips UltraBlue 6000K Xenon HIDs
Sticky Plate/Plate Removed

**Interior/Ice**
DRE Shift Light (Blue, Blue, Blue, Amber, Red)
Kenwood DDX-5022 Head Unit
Kenwood KCA-iP301v
Bride Lower Seat rails
Buddy Club Gear Knob
TRS Magnum 3" Harness
JDM Flare
Black Mats


--COMING SOON (When I return from Afghan!!)
Paul G/AP Racing 2 Piece floating front Discs
Ferodo DS2500 Front Pads
New OEM Rear Discs (BOUGHT)
EBC Yellow Stuff Rear Pads (BOUGHT)
Motul RBF 600 Brake Fluid (BOUGHT)
TGM Braided Brake lines
TGM Oil cooler/thermostat kit
TGM Baffled Sump
Meshed Front Grille
Re-paint Bumpers
Federal RS-R/Yoko A048 Tyres
OEM Shocks
Eibach Springs (BOUGHT) Returning back to decent suspension!!
DEFI Oil Temperature, Oil Pressure & Boost Gauges (BOUGHT)
Parcel Shelf (BOUGHT)
Cusco Oil Catch Tank (BOUGHT)

Link to the gauges....
clicky (http://www.defi-shop.com/product/bf/bf_top.html)

[Stoo]

Just bought myself a DEFI Triple Gauge pd for the DEFIs :D

Same as the Mugen Assist <eter Hood (Also made by DEFI lol)

Whoop!
Look like this :)
But with Defi BF Gauges

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bjgm_SI9X5E/TQaPxj1A83I/AAAAAAAAACI/lbMr8RefJQU/s1600/5.jpg

[srs1]

they look spot on stoo.

[Stoo]

They aren't the ACTUAL Gauges Sean....
Just the gauge pod I have got

Mugen Wing, Mocal Oil Cooler and a set of AP Racing 2 piece discs with Ferodo DS2500 Pads sorted ;)

[Stoo]

Car was dropped off at the spray shop today :)

Front bumper and lip paint
Front wings paint
New rear bumper
Rear bumoer and lip paint
Gauge pod paint

While it's there, it's having the valve clearances done too :)
Mint.
39 days to go!!

[Stoo]

So, Total Honda want to feature it when I'm back :D

[Adam]

How long till you're back?

[Stoo]

6 days i hope!!!!

[Adam]

Sound :cool:

[Stoo]

So, been back a week.

Fitted the following so far....
J's oil cap fitted
Braided hoses fitted
RBF600 fluid bled through
OEM rear discs fitted
Yellow stuff rear pads fitted
DEFIs, pod and link unit fitted, wired up and working. (oil temp/press will be connected on Monday)

Mondays fitting session will see AP Racing/Paul G 2 piece front discs and Ferodo DS2500 pads,J's Racing Rad cap, OEM shocks and Eibach springs with spc camber bolts, oil cooler and baffled sump. OEM Mounts with inserts too possibly. Oil and filter and coolant change at the same time.

Tuesday will see the AD08s fitted, geometry re-set and a final chack over ready for a track seesion at brands in the afternoon :)

Good times!
Some pics of progress so far.

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[scott.parker]

Nice one posh spice!

[Stoo]

Cheers Spot... x

[Mazz]

Nice, ummm, fog light :confused:

[Jack]

I'm guessing its an import, hence the light switch?

[Stoo]

So this got stripped for it's bits, returned to OEM spec and flogged last December!
Bought an E36 M3 Evo in the mean time last October while it was for sale.

Left the RAF, now do something else, sold the M3 and now have a TT company car!

[John]

TT with suspension chocks still fitted? lol

[Stoo]

FLOL

Not anymore!!