1.2 Flair - x25xe V6

[novadoneitthistime]

Well, I've been threatening to do this for a few weeks now so I thought I'd better make a start. I bought the car as a damaged 1.2 and converted it to a GTE.

It's been a good car and the little 1.6 packs quite a punch, lot more than I'd thought it would.

However, I've grown bored of it already and fancy doing something a bit daft so here we go!

There's not a lot of info on this conversion, so I've started this wip to show all my mistakes as I go, to try and help anyone else foolish enough to follow me!lollollol

All help and advice is much welcome.

Here's a few pics so far.

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1030016.jpg

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1030033.jpg

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1030032.jpg

[General Baxter]

engines a bit low lol

[chimp007_uk]

tea break time lol

Good luck! There was another lad with a matt black conversion, not the best, but he got it in... Might be worth seeing his way about different obstacles.

[novadoneitthistime]

Hahahahahaha!

Just getting it in the hole was enough for one day!lol

Going to make a mount for the os chassis leg tomorrow. If I can bare the cold!

Think this may be along term project!:D

[chimp007_uk]

I'll help you out a little :)

http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94570

might be worth a read, for what its worth

[Jack]

There was another lad with a matt black conversion, not the best, but he got it in... Might be worth seeing his way about different obstacles.
That was a 3.0 Saab engine, and appears to have quite a different inlet and exhaust setup than the X25. If you want a decent fit and proper job, I would suggest NOT following that WIP!!

V6's are becoming more common than 20XE's now lol

[chimp007_uk]

If you want a decent fit and proper job, I would suggest NOT following that WIP!!

lol

Thats why i put for what its worth...

[General Baxter]

If you want a decent fit and proper job, I would suggest NOT following that WIP!!

why have you seen it lol

[Plug]

Rj will be subscribed to this thread now me thinks. (whens yours going in?)

good luck one of my mate is currently putting one in his ill find out how hes getting on and problems hes had and report back.

[vaughanmc]

Would be awsome if it all works out mate :)

[chimp007_uk]

Is there no feeling from people that its going to be too much weight over the front to drive well?!?

I've never done it on been in a nova/corsa conversion so can't say... But I couldn't imagine one of them going through corners too gracefully?!?

[Sloth]

actually they handle quite well, and are good so long as you set the suspension up right. btw, rj isnt just watching the thread, hes watching the car. ;)

[General Baxter]

hes watching the car. ;)

shush don't tell everyone :thumb:

its so obvious lol

[Jack]

Is there no feeling from people that its going to be too much weight over the front to drive well?!?
X25 on F20 is less than 8kgs heavier than a 20XE.

[chimp007_uk]

X25 on F20 is less than 8kgs heavier than a 20XE.

That suprises me! I stand corrected ;)

[Sloth]

the v6 was designed for the mk3 cav, andis a very light compact, narrow angle engine, the c25xe is its lightest incarnation, and weighs 225kg iirc. an xe is 235kg.

[novadoneitthistime]

Thanks for the figures! :-)

[novadoneitthistime]

I think most of the engines weight is tied up in the flywheel! It's massive! I've swopped it for one of C20xe. Not sure if it's an early or a late but it fits! Does anyone know why the crank bolt holes only line up in one certain orientation?

Check out the difference!
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/Image095.jpg
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/Image096.jpg

[Sloth]

thats an early "flat" flywheel, the holes are cos the flys are balanced so need putting on the right way. have ya loctited the bolts and torqued em?

[novadoneitthistime]

well, not much progress today. hung the engine in on the gearbox mounts and it all seems skew-wiff! Am I missing something about converting to big block gearboxes? I was running an f16cr box on the GTE engine and everything seemed to line up fine. I've spaced the diff mount out 12mm
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/baksteun_achter1.jpg
but it still seems to push the front end of the engine (where the belts are) towards the front panel. Is this normal?

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1080035.jpg

[Lee]

You've got quite a lot of clearence there for a V lump :) You have to remember that you will have MORE clearence side to side due to the block only being 3 cylinders wide, but its going to be a lot deeper. Coming up through the bottom of the car you should have found it pretty tight between the rack and the bottom front panel no?

Hang on, im giving too much away here lol

[General Baxter]

the spacer is there, as its got a large block gearbox :)

[novadoneitthistime]

It's mega tight front and back! I've got a massive blood blister under my nail to prove it! hahahahahahaha!lol Bit of clumsy thing to manhandle alone. wish I was at work, with the ramp! :cry: I cheated and split the box off and put the engine in through the top. Wish i'd removed the servo first though:roll:

Yeah there's loads of room at the belts end! I'll bet a belt service will be the easisest thing to do on the engine when it's finished, because everything else is buried!!

I'm just worried it's not sitting straight in the engine bay. It'll annoy me everytime I open the bonnet if it's not quite right. Really deceptive though as there's nothing straight on the front of the car and the cam covers have funny shapes and brackets on them.

[Sloth]

id say the rear rubber mount needs undoing and prising backwards, or the holes lightly slotting. lee, yes you have mate!

[Sloth]

p.s try a builders level on the cambelt cover or a lazer aligner.

[novadoneitthistime]

the spacer is there, as its got a large block gearbox :)

I'm confused? (doesn't take much).

I've ditched the f25 that came with the V6 as it's hydraulic clutch and electronic speedo. Going to use an F20 in the final build, but i'm using the old f16 for a dummy fitting at the mo.

I still need to pack out that back mount when using f16/f20 gearbox.... dont I? I tried it without at first and the gearbox ended up fouling the NS mount.

[Adam]

Yes, most people use a spacer kit. One side of the mount has two spacers, and tother has one spacer

[novadoneitthistime]

Good thinking with the spirit level, great minds think alike! I've managed to set it level.

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1080037.jpg

Just struggling squaring it in the bay. Probably have to give it some trial and error on the rubbers eh? Times like that you need about 8 arms! hahaha!

[Sloth]

or use a set square to a reference point, or some string across the strut tops, and an intersecting string to align?

[Jack]

but it still seems to push the front end of the engine (where the belts are) towards the front panel. Is this normal?
Yes IMO, the V6 sits quite tight at the front on that end. I would guess that when taking the engine in and out you need to drop it slightly diagonally and towards the O/S before lifting the car over it ;)

[Sloth]

ffs just update ya wip man!

[Lee]

Yes IMO, the V6 sits quite tight at the front on that end. I would guess that when taking the engine in and out you need to drop it slightly diagonally and towards the O/S before lifting the car over it ;)
Hmm, yes, id guess thats probably the best way to do it lol


Looking at that pic mate, you are going to have uber bonnet clearence issues :wtf: Before you go ANY further, refit the bonnet and see if it can be shut with minimal grindage. Then you can carry on, but getting it 90% there and then discovering you cant shut the bonnet will feck you off no end!

[Jack]

Remember. If the bonnet doesn't fit, slam it repeatedly until it does.

If that doesn't work, take a grinder to the inlet lol

[John]

why not fit the c25xe inlets?

[Jack]

They don't fit.

Although... don't cav ones fit?

[Sloth]

the c25xe is the cav one. and just budge the bonnet, ala pug 205 autos, along the lines in it. and stop cocking about and update.

[novadoneitthistime]

ffs just update ya wip man!

That meant for me?

I was worried about the bonnet, so I just fitted it!

Like a glove! Hahahahahaha!

Cant 'lock' it though, (i'm halfway through a bolt on slam panel mod).

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1080041.jpg

[Lee]

Roger result :) That last pic with the bonnet off is pretty diseptive!

[Sloth]

no it was at rj. thats gonna be ace, theres a vid on youtube of anova with that lump in. horrid green thing

[novadoneitthistime]

Woah! just seen it,

x25xe nova (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kY-MS8gyCmg)

Engine bay's a bit loud! Engine sounds sweet though.

[valvercorsa]

nice wip
hoping to get mine up soon :)

[novadoneitthistime]

You doing a V6 as well? By 'eck. Getting popular now.

[valvercorsa]

yeah 3.0 v6 didnt think there was many about, but found out there loads lol. i used to have a redtop on bike carbs but thought i build something different but its more popular than c20xe lol

[Sloth]

i r building a v6 corsa c.

[valvercorsa]

well thats ok then, its not a nova lol

[Sloth]

ha ha its trickier. ive helped on a few v6's.

[novadoneitthistime]

The whole world has gone V6 mad! I love it!!lol

[Sloth]

i was pushing v6's 3 years ago, and everyone pooh-poohed it. 'sfunny. give it 3 years and everyone will be stuffing saab 4 pots in instead of let's!

[Jack]

^ once LETs start to dry up and get old (which is happening now tbh), the saab HOTs will be quite an attractive option I reckon. Plus your average Saab driver is grandad, so think low mileage fresh engines with FSH :D

But in the meantime, dual head quad cam 24v ftw :D

[valvercorsa]

lol im in 2 minds now weather to do 1, there seams to be loads been done and i wanted something different that was the whole point of removing my xe :)

[Adam]

Why, WTF is the point being different? lol

Different, fit a 1.2 OHV 8v then lol

[Jack]

Thats not different, loads of Novas still have them :p

There's no THAT many V6's, but when they do pop up everyone makes a fuss so they get publicity.

[valvercorsa]

Why, WTF is the point being different? lol

Different, fit a 1.2 OHV 8v then lol

:wtf:

different is good :p

i still going to have a crack at it, like the sound of them :thumb:

[Sloth]

good man. hmm saab 900 fpt for £300 on the bay........

[bowman]

stick to the v6 mate, it'll be ace, and it not like it cant be changed if you dont like it later....

[Adam]

A modded V6 is a cheap way to 180-190hp too, so it should go quite well

[valvercorsa]

thinkin more 3.0 with 200bhp :)

[novadoneitthistime]

made some good progress today with my engine mount. (post some pics tomorrow).

Decided to make a new mount on the chassis leg lower down. It makes the bracket way way simpler, plus I was a little worried that the original wouldn't be strong enough. Especially after I found out the engine and gearbox are best part of a quarter ton. Chances are it would be plenty strong enough, but I figured while I've got the welder out I might as well weld in a little peace of mind.

[gordo]

[quote=valvercorsa]:wtf:

different is good :p

different is good. want to be really different do a v8 monaro conversion.lol

[vaughanmc]

different is good. want to be really different do a v8 monaro conversion.lol

Different is good! lol

But silly isn't

[Mazz]

A modded V6 is a cheap way to 180-190hp too, so it should go quite well


thinkin more 3.0 with 200bhp :)

As Adam said, a healthy 2.5 with some 3.0 cams and an enlarged TB can see 200bhp

[gordo]

Different is good! lol

But silly isn't

hows it silly anything is possible if you have the know how.

[novadoneitthistime]

Well, I've had another half day on the engine mount. Welded up my chassis leg mount. Poor little welder was flat out. Made a decent job, but i'll use the big one at work for the engine half of the mount.
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1110044.jpg


This is as far as I've got with the engine half. Still got a load to do on it. once I'm happy with the position of the engine in the bay, I'll weld the mount to the chassis.
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1110045.jpg
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1110046.jpg
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1110047.jpg

Bit worried about how much that rubber mount will 'give' once it's got the weight on it. I'll be mega p*ssed off if it drops so much as to make the engine look unlevel.

[chimp007_uk]

fill the mount with seekaflex (spelling) ;) solid mounts! OR just tack it on a few places and see how it goes on its own steam?!?

[General Baxter]

the rubber mount looks ****ed anyway

[novadoneitthistime]

Yeah it's not the best. It is about 18 years old though!hahahaha!
I'd love a set of solid mounts but there's plenty other things to buy first.

Might try the sikaflex idea. does it work well?

[novadoneitthistime]

Well had another lazy day on the nova. Triangulated up my engine mount (got a bit carried away), welded in one of the strengthening plates and finaly positioned the chassis mount onto the car. I'll finish welding them up with the engine out.
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1180054.jpg

Little cheapie clarke welder made quite a good job on the 3mm plate. I'd say this is it's limit though.

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1180055.jpg

[Adam]

What welding gas are you using?
And what amp is the welder?

[novadoneitthistime]

i think it's a 145 amp welder. just using the little crappy gas bottle it came with. think it's just CO2. Camera makes the welds look rusty for some reason

[John]

Good work, so how does the engine sit now?

[novadoneitthistime]

Well I've got it all squared in the bay. and I tried the bonnet again when I'd welded the mount and it still closes so i feel like i'm getting somewhere. Hoping to have all the seams welded and the rest of the plating kit done so I can paint this weekend. Then I'll have to figure out the wiring.

[vx kev]

Getting there lad, it all takes a bit time & effort but il be worth it in the end ;)
Remember when we were doing our one, i was like that bonnet will never shut but surprise surprise it did :thumb:

[novadoneitthistime]

Getting there lad, it all takes a bit time & effort but il be worth it in the end ;)
Remember when we were doing our one, i was like that bonnet will never shut but surprise surprise it did :thumb:

Cheers my man! Always good to get encouragement from a fella who's done it all before :)

[wiseboy]

nice work so far mate ;)

[novadoneitthistime]

Thanks buddy! All encouragement is very greatly recieved!

[valvercorsa]

looking good matey just getting all my bit's together and should be having mine in soon :)

[Jack]

Then I'll have to figure out the wiring.
Piece of cake, no different to a 20XE aside from there being two of a couple sensors lol

[Lee]

Colour codes are a bit odd though, not that ive seen one or anything :)

[big gra]

god work mate, nice to see another v6 conversion. that matt black v6 nova was mine before my mate bought it and did the conversion, was a pig of a job and used a similar type engine mount to what youv used (not as substancial though i must say)

goes like the clappers but be wary of corners, lol.

[scott.parker]

I admire you for undertaking this mate, well done!

Hope it goes well, but also i still think you cant beat a C20XE in a nova lol

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bFTLy0Zv_mk&NR=1

[big gra]

will be a pod killer!!!

[novadoneitthistime]

Thanks guys! You're all really spurring me on! Gonna go do a bit more right now!!

[big gra]

what hubs and shafts are you using? i live nr preston aswel, let me know if ya need any help.

[Sloth]

good progress matey, this is turning into a ful step by step guide! lots of pics = win mate! keep it up!

[Lee]

will be a pod killer!!!

Diff killer ;)

[novadoneitthistime]

Now then, I've almost finished welding in my first strengthening plate and I've finished welding that mount. I know I only really need to stitch weld the plate in but I've seam welded it because it was going really well, and I always feel happier seeing stuff seamed. Also, my MOT man told me that all welded plates need to be seamed to pass. not sure if that's true though?

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1190067.jpg


I've done all the easy bits, but I'm not sure what to do with the bits underneathe the chassis legs. They dont seem to meet up to anything, but the rest of the plate was spot on so I dont know what to do?

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1190072.jpg
I'm using chris astley shafts and hubs, with the big CV joints. Thought I might as well do things properly. The veccy had an equal length set up, hope I dont regret not using it.

I was worried about the diff too. Luckily Corsakid has supplied me with a brand new tran-x plate diff!! I had a slipper in my last rally car project, and I cant imagine life without one now! The difference is amazing! Just need to find someone to fit it for me! hahahahahahahahaha!

[Jack]

My plate does that. I've left it with no hassle.

[Rich]

Think its supposed to be folded round to meet with the chassi leg again and welded, thats whats been done on my turbo project anyway..

[novadoneitthistime]

Yeah, think i'll just ' lightly tap ' it round to meet and then blast it with the mig!! hahahahahaha

[Adam]

Plates need to be seamed if there repairing the chassis for mot purposes.....

[scott.parker]

Looking good, Yeah on my old one there was two added plates between the front chasiss legs and the floor pan, they were not really needed just added for that bit more strength, and every time my mechanic used to take if for MOT he had to tell them that as they were stiched! lol

Scott

[novadoneitthistime]

Well done a bit more today. Got one more plate welded on today. Fast running out of easy plates to do :-(
hahahahahaha

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1200074.jpg

Getting there! Getting there!

[Steve]

Good work so far mate, nice to see people are seeing the light with the v6s, would love one myself one day,
the torque on a 2.0 is good enough but this will be sweet when you get it out on the road! :cool:

[The Simps]

Just seen this thread - looks a cracking project!

Thought these 2 links should help -

http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106190

http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90103


Good luck with the project and I look forward to further updates :thumb:

[novadoneitthistime]

Just seen this thread - looks a cracking project!

Thought these 2 links should help -

http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106190

http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90103


Good luck with the project and I look forward to further updates :thumb:

Cheers for the link buddy, should help!

[novadoneitthistime]

Just welded another five of those strengthening plates in and then my bloody welder ran out of gas!! Cant be bothered to go to Halfords this late so the rest of the plates will have to wait!! hahahahahahahahaha

[ed3112]

lookin good

[novadoneitthistime]

Is it only Mk2 Novas that have all this bloody seam sealer sh*t in the engine bay! Making stitch welding a real bloody chore! Wanted to have bloomin thing painted tomorrow night! Dont see it getting done for another week at this rate!!!!!! AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[valvercorsa]

hahaha yeah mate its a pain isnt it. get a sharp blade and run it down both sides and pull :) then just run down with wire brush on drill thats how we done it in past

[novadoneitthistime]

Ok, I've welded all the strengthening plates in, and I think I've finished the seam welding. Just gonna have another look round tomorrow, when I feel a bit more fresh to the job, make sure I've not missed anything. Seam sealer and then a dose of primer, should look a proper job!! Pics to follow!

[novadoneitthistime]

Right, I've been really busy this weekend!

Finished seam welding the engine bay and chassis legs
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1260077.jpg
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1260081.jpg

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1260082.jpg
Took ages getting all that sh*tty seam sealer out the joints. Never been a fan of welding old metal, but i've not made too much of mess.

Then it was on with the seam sealer

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1260085.jpg

And lash the bay with 2K primer. Went on a bit cheesy in places but it's nothing a bit of elbow grease cant fix ! hahahahahahahahha

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1260083.jpg

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1260084.jpg

[wiseboy]

lookin good mate, keep it up ;)

[stuartyj21]

crackin project mate keep it up...

[vaughanmc]

Clean looking welds mate :)

Will be awsome to see this done

Have u came across any more technical difficulties ?

[novadoneitthistime]

Clean looking welds mate :)

Will be awsome to see this done

Have u came across any more technical difficulties ?

Thanks!

No more problems yet, But I wish I'd sorted the back exhaust manifold when I had the engine in and before i'd painted the bay!:roll::roll:

Ah well!lol

[novadoneitthistime]

OMG!!!:eek::eek:

Check this out for slack!!!

Timing Belt (http://s415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/?action=view&current=P1290102.flv)

Glad I decided to do the belt. I was half tempted to do just bodge everything in for a blast round the block and do it all the engine service after I was sure it'd run.I must be getting sensible in my old age. I'll double check the timing when I put the new belt on.

[chimp007_uk]

have you heard that engine run? Thats a hell of alot of slack! nice welding work... turning into a good build :)

[novadoneitthistime]

Thanks!

Yeah, I took it out of a vectra, It ran really sweet, very smooth, love that v6 sound! God knows how it's not jumped a tooth or just worn through against the cover! Bloomin glad I took time to do it.

[Sloth]

jesus funking christ!!! good call bud! thats engine death that! fooking lucky.... whats the rest of the car gonna be like? i sense a feature car....

[novadoneitthistime]

It sure would be nice to get a feature! hahahahahaha! Going to try and finish the car to a fairly high standard, but to finish to a high standard, first you must finish!!! hahahahahahaha!

[EUROTURBO]

love it mate, keep up the good work, will be watching this thread!!!

[vxr_racing_2008]

lol lol what weapon

[novadoneitthistime]

Finally puled my finger out and painted the engine bay. Looks pretty good for an open shop job. I'll put some pics up soon. Bought a little decoration for my intake manifold this week. hopefully gonna be sweet!

[Sloth]

good man, but.....


















pics!!!!!! ffs!!!

[novadoneitthistime]

Ok, here's a couple of pics of the thing painted. Doesn't look much different to the primer pics! hahahaha. But that's white for you!

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P2010106.jpg

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P2010107.jpg
Gonna start on the engine this week and send my gearbox off for a rebuild.

[valvercorsa]

lookin good mate

[novadoneitthistime]

lookin good mate

Cheers chappy!

[novadoneitthistime]

I'm off to the gearbox men now, with shiny new parts for them to fit! Plus I can finally take that old F20 covered in minging gear oil out the back of the S4!! Bet it's made a right mess! hahahahahahahahaha!

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P2020116.jpg

[valvercorsa]

they magic things them :) lets see if it can pull the v6 round corners like it did are kids xe lol

[novadoneitthistime]

I hope so, I've had those atb diffs before (loved 'em) but never a plate diff. I hope it's not too agressive for me. Really looking forward to having a go with it!! Are you going to use an equal length drive shaft set up on yours?

[Sloth]

is this gonna be at pv? please tell me it will!!

[novadoneitthistime]

Not done much today. Been lazy!! Painted my inlet plenums and manifold yesterday, and got sent a nice little decal and a sheet of carbon fibre today, after 30 mins faffing about I came up with this!

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P2020120.jpg

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P2020117.jpg

[novadoneitthistime]

Yeah I'd like to get to pv. Should be finished in the next month or two. so fingers crossed!

[scott.parker]

That looks realy nice mate, but just a bit unsure, as it's none descripet, you should of used your name or something? Like mine would be SAP Motorsport lol

Keep up the good work.

Scott

[novadoneitthistime]

MSD is a group that modified vectras for vauxhalls to make a special edition. They were the first ones to put the 3.0 cams in GSI vectras. They also made the st200 and st2000 special editions for vauxhall. I think it was all to do with the BTCC at the time.

[scott.parker]

OK, but you see were i was coming from yeah?

Like Dan and C.P on here have RiffleRange Motorsport

[novadoneitthistime]

No it's a fair point you made. No better place to advertise your work than actually on it!:thumb:

If I had my own firm I'd probably have a logo/decal made.

[Sloth]

hmmm is this gonna be like a supertourer nova??? that would be something else!!!

[novadoneitthistime]

Got my gearbox back on Friday. Brand new bearings and seals and fitting of the brand new diff - £120! BARGAIN!! Just given it a lick of Primer. Give it a dose of paint tomorrow.

[valvercorsa]

lookin good mate was there a reason why you have got the x25xe instead of the c25xe???

[Adam]

Looking good

[novadoneitthistime]

lookin good mate was there a reason why you have got the x25xe instead of the c25xe???

Hi.

Main reason I chose the x25 was because I love those funky plenums! But also these engines dont respond very well to tuning, and the management of the x25 produces slightly more power than the c25 version. Also those plenums give a better torque curve, flatter. However, the c25 is a lot simpler and easier to wire and is a better fit in the engine bay, so for the extra 20bhp you take your choice. Interestingly though the c25 came standard with four 'A' cams which is more aggressive than the cams used in the later x25 engines. Both engines respond very well to the cam change you have planned and as they are basically the same engine the difference in power after mods is next to nothing.

To be honest there's not a lot in it, and it really just boils down to which one you like the look of.lol

[novadoneitthistime]

Going to whip the heads off at some point this week and then maybe put new belt on over the weekend.

Would anyone be interested in a 'how to' change v6 cambelt? I've not seen one anywhere yet

[valvercorsa]

thanks for all info mate :) my heads will be coming off i think gasgets gone :( but will only find out once got it running

[novadoneitthistime]

might be the heat exchanger/oil cooler between the banks that's burst. Common fault on these, especially early engines. The cooler cores rot and leak the oil out into the coolant jacket. looks like a headgasket failure. But to be honest you have to remove so much stuff to get to that cooler that it ends up cheaper to buy a head set for all the gaskets you need. And if you've bought the set you may as well fit the head gasket.

Ah but you'll see what's best when it's running.

[novadoneitthistime]

Right, a few piccys.

This is my gearbox in primer

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P2100122.jpg

And this is it after I painted it. The casing is Smooth Hammerite gloss black and the cover plates are polished ally. Dont think I like the gloss finish now. Think I'll repaint it in matt finish. comments?:confused:

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P2100128.jpg

[valvercorsa]

:thumb: that looks f**kiing sexy that mate :)

[The Simps]

Satin black ftw!

done my gearbox, block, head and inlet in the stuff! lol

[bowman]

I like the finish of hammerite smooth, looks just like powder coat....

[Jack]

I like the gloss finish too

[novadoneitthistime]

Well I've re done it in Satin. Not sure I like that now :-(

Think I should have gone matt

Doesn't really look ant different in the pics from the gloss, but it's not quite as shiny as it looks.

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P2110131.jpg

[Sloth]

liking that,like i said before future feature car bud!

[novadoneitthistime]

I've just bought a whole load more bits for my car. Feel a bit guilty now. Why is everything soooo expensive!! It's like a tax on fun! :-(

[novadoneitthistime]

BUT, on a lighter note......





The Future Is Bright
The Future is Orange










http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/NOSORANGE.jpg

[Sloth]

oh you bad boy. im toying with this for my cav....

[novadoneitthistime]

Think I got a bit carried away. The kit I bought, lowest set of jets is 100hp! hahahahahahahahahaha! Poor thing will go pop! But it should be funny watching it roll to a sorry stop half way down the strip! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

[Jack]

X25 should be more than capable of handling N2O. Just so long as you're using an F28 lol

[Sloth]

id get some 50's and go from there bud. 100isnt gonna pop it straight away. get a controller as well. minimax is a good un.

[novadoneitthistime]

I was thinking the other week I should have just built it with an F28 to start with, but like most of these things, I never really planned on going this extreme. Wish I'd took the extra effort to actually think before I started.

Never mind, I'll just have to put one in after my F20 explodes into a nice pair of earings.

[The Simps]

sorry you don't like the satin :(

i think its great! nice inbetweener for matt and gloss and when you use the hammerite smooth it looks like powdercoat.

[The Simps]

I think once you get it bolted up you'll be happier. When I sprayed my inlet on my let it looked a little odd but when all bolted in with the head, gearbox, hoses the red of the car and rocker cover really stood out!

[Sloth]

i love hammerite. their red and blue are the same as vaux colours.

[Lee]

Never mind, I'll just have to put one in after my F20 explodes into a nice pair of earings.

Ive nevr been a fan of the F28 TBH, especially when you already have lots of weight up the front.

If i were you i would just keep feeding it cheap F20's while you save up for a nice quaife SCCR of even just a SC box on standard ratios to keep using the V6's torque.

[Sloth]

havent you got a v6 to fit lee?













lolz

[novadoneitthistime]

If i were you i would just keep feeding it cheap F20's

Hahahaha, I think you're right! cant be arsed to weld another mount in anyway!lol

[novadoneitthistime]

I think once you get it bolted up you'll be happier. When I sprayed my inlet on my let it looked a little odd but when all bolted in with the head, gearbox, hoses the red of the car and rocker cover really stood out!

I only painted mine satin cos i Seen yours and thought it looked really good.:thumb:

Like you say, I think it'll come together when it's all bolted up and in the shiny engine bay:cool:

[SKoob]

Think I got a bit carried away. The kit I bought, lowest set of jets is 100hp! hahahahahahahahahaha! Poor thing will go pop! But it should be funny watching it roll to a sorry stop half way down the strip! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

Watch you don't blow the welds on the intake lol

[novadoneitthistime]

Watch you don't blow the welds on the intake lol

I live my life 10 seconds or less at a time! rofpml hahahahahahahalollol

[novadoneitthistime]

I dont like V6s anymore. :(

So much bloody stuff! I'm bored of undoing bolts already, and I dont even have ONE of the heads off!

Come back small block 8valves, all is forgiven!!!lol

[valvercorsa]

hahahaha i agree ive been removing heads etc........ 24ish bolts to remove all inlet manifolds lol
goin to give heads a service and skim, also try and sort something out for this bust oil cooler. what a silly place to put it lol

i no its better to be water cooled rather than air cooled but why cause more heat in a engine that already has over heating problems lol

[bowman]

Sorry for the hi-jack, but i'v got cheap 3.0 bottom end, worth doing if your pulling heads off anyway;) !

[novadoneitthistime]

Hi, if it's not got the heads, dont think I want it. I know the 3.0 have sodium exhaust valves, but i'm sure they are a bigger diameter unit as well.

[valvercorsa]

3.0l short motor prime for some turbo pistons :P lol

[novadoneitthistime]

hahaha! shame there's nowhere to put the turbo!!

[bowman]

over the gearbox?

[valvercorsa]

put in thro the bulkhead and into passenger footwell lol

[novadoneitthistime]

have two, and sit them outside the bonnet, keep em cool!

[valvercorsa]

nar thats too far lol

[tom reid]

Interesting project.
Have you considered making the engine mount on the drivers chassis leg solid, ie, out of metal or ally?, it will never move then, unless it takes the leg with it, lol.
Was good to meet and chat the other day, look forward to the exhausts!

[novadoneitthistime]

Yeah, I'd love a set of solid mounts, think I might just have to bite the bullet and stump up for a set, that engine would land with one hell of a bang if the rubbers give way! hahahahahahaha!

Exhausts! nightmare. I'm tempted to just maul the standard back one about for a quick fix, but not sure how long i'd live with it! hahahahaha.

Yeah it was great to meet you the other day, looking forward to picking your brain in the future!

[draper]

looking forward to picking your brain in the future!

its full of gayness ;)

nice project matey :thumb:

[novadoneitthistime]

sent my heads off for a little re-work yesterday, but forgot to take the new stem seals! DOH!!
splashing out on a new set of lifters too, figured it cant hurt after 90-odd thousand miles.

Fingers crossed, touch wood........... might have the engine and box back in one lump by the weekend, maybe even back in the bay, (but lets not tempt fate)

[novadoneitthistime]

Well, here's pics of my block. It's in really good nick, I've not even cleaned it yet. Bores have no signs of major wear, can even see honing marks. Was rather sooty though, so think could be something wrong somewhere?

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P3020145.jpg

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P3020144.jpg

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P3020146.jpg

[Sloth]

thast how they are mate, its the egr crap...

[novadoneitthistime]

Oh good (or erm... bad? hahahahahaha). Yeah stupid egr crap. tempted to ditch it all, but I'm quite keen just to keep it original looking. If I start deleting stuff, I know it'll just end in ridiculosity! custom manifolds, throttle bodies, turbos, etc. etc. need to stay sensible!

[Sloth]

just blank the egr, as per joffs corsa thread( shows the plate etc) 2 bolts and a plate, its that easy!

[valvercorsa]

looks sweet that mate, mine is a state lol
are you doing anything too your heads?

[novadoneitthistime]

Have you got a link? I cant find it. What about the ports in the manifolfds? And the management light? Would be quite nice to see a vauxhall going round without the usual christmas tree dash! lol!

[Sloth]

the em light does come on when ya boot it and let ff but it resets with the key. i'll link ya in a mo

[novadoneitthistime]

looks sweet that mate, mine is a state lol
are you doing anything too your heads?
Yeah I've seen your pics! nothing that wont clean up:thumb:
Your projects really moving fast now! well done!

I'm just skimming my heads new stem seals and lifters and relapping the valves. nothing serious like porting, I'm not getting too involved for 10 horsepower, I'll just stick some bigger NOS jets in first! hahahahahahahahaha! 200 horse N/A will be plenty I think in this little stinker! hahahahahaha!

[Sloth]

here ya go...
http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94657&page=8

[novadoneitthistime]

Thanks for the link.

Yeah it's tempting. I'll have a look in.

[valvercorsa]

Yeah I've seen your pics! nothing that wont clean up:thumb:
Your projects really moving fast now! well done!

I'm just skimming my heads new stem seals and lifters and relapping the valves. nothing serious like porting, I'm not getting too involved for 10 horsepower, I'll just stick some bigger NOS jets in first! hahahahahahahahaha! 200 horse N/A will be plenty I think in this little stinker! hahahahahaha!

yeah i just got my head sets and bolts £110 lighter now lol think i maybe rebuilding my bottom end now just too make sure :) am gunna port my heads just to help it get more air in there and gasses out. i may need your help re-piping it back up lol av got a box full of pipes and dunno where there for :tard:

[novadoneitthistime]

yeah, I know how that feels! hahahaha. I'm not bothering with the bottom end. It's probably the most sensible thing to do though. But I cant be arsed shelling out on even more f*cking stretch bolts! all the big ends and mains bolts need replacing if you loosen them, and the shell bearings are about a million pounds each. So I dont even want to know if they need replacing, what the eye doesn't see, the heart doesn't miss. Hahahahaha

[novadoneitthistime]

ok, been cleaning up my block etc today. cleamed the pistons and found this damage. What do we think caused it?

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P3030147.jpg

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P3030148.jpg

[valvercorsa]

OUCH thats a set of new pistons

only kidding lol abit of pitting isnt the end of the earth mate, mine got a few in.

[bowman]

best junk that and buy my 3.0 short motor LOLlol

[novadoneitthistime]

Minging!

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P3070156.jpg

Got my block all cleaned and painted and the crank back in.
I'll shove cleaned pistons in tomorrow I think.

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P3070160.jpg

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P3070164.jpg

[valvercorsa]

wat happened to not rebuilding bottom end lol

[novadoneitthistime]

yeah................ erm............ you know how it goes. I was sitting there thinking about leaving it, and it just burned away at me. But glad I did it cos the rings were very furry.

[valvercorsa]

u been busy then lol was gasget set expensive???
easy to strip????

[novadoneitthistime]

Bottom end is relatively easy to strip, just struggled a bit with the pulley bolt because I had the engine on the stand.

Got my gasket set of fleebay. think it was about £60 and bolts were about £20. Good stuff like.

[valvercorsa]

is that bottom end set? seen head sets on there.

your piston's and rods look abit mucky lol

[novadoneitthistime]

no, I haven't got a bottom end set, it's all rubber gaskets and sealer on mine.

Filthy eh? EGR, it's a magical thing!

[valvercorsa]

mine is a mess aswell :(
i thought yours were bad mine is worse lol

[novadoneitthistime]

Hahahahahahahahaha! Horrible job isn't it.

I've not had such a good time with it. I was getting a bit too eager to bolt it back together, long story short, snapped a fooking ring!
Just shelled out £19 for a replacement this morning.
Fell out with it now, it can sit there until tomorrow and think about what it's done! hahahahahaha

[Sloth]

pics!!!

[novadoneitthistime]

pics it is,

this is the offending item, (b*stard)

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P3120166.jpg

and the shiny new ones,

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P3120174.jpg

[nyabinghi]

good work!

[valvercorsa]

you re-ringed them all then?
i have left mine for a while been doing baby bedroom lol

[Sloth]

id have left it, but i am a rough tit

[novadoneitthistime]

Right, done a bit more tonight. Nice set of clean(er) pistons after I'd fitted the new rings.

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P3130175.jpg

My bottom end all bolted up and torqued. (going to repolish my sump as it's covered in oily paw prints,

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P3130187.jpg

and my nice shiny heads ready for the next session!

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P3130176.jpg
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P3130178.jpg

[novadoneitthistime]

Done a bit more now. Bolted sump up and took a video of the hypnotic V6 loveliness!

Look into my eyes! (http://s415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/?action=view&current=P3140193.flv)
(not around the eyes, don't look around the eyes 3,2,1 you're under)


then on with the new gaskets

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P3140194.jpg

then bolt freshened heads on

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P3140196.jpg
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P3140197.jpg

[scott.parker]

Get it in the car! lol

Looking nice mate, keep it up.

Scott

[valvercorsa]

you have been really busy lol
loving the video :)
looks great mate

[novadoneitthistime]

well, I got a bit more done yesterday, engine is pretty much finished now, just need a few hose clips and a gasket for the throttle body. I think I'll have to get one from vauxhall. I've got some gasket paper, but it's right next to the EGR port so I think it has to be made out of tougher stuff. Painted my cam covers in gold with gold holographic metal flake.

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P3210201.jpg

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P3210212.jpg

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P3210205.jpg

[Adam]

:cool: :cool:

[scott.parker]

Gold looks quite spunky! Getting there dude.

Scott

[Ernie]

sweet x x

[valvercorsa]

looks well,
in the car she goes now then mate

[Graeme]

Love the motor mate, lets see it going in now :thumb:

[J4MES]

Super sexy!!

Git r dun!!

[Jack]

Have you trial fitted the engine with that inlet on it?

[Ernie]

Yes he has Rj

[Ernie]

That meant for me?

I was worried about the bonnet, so I just fitted it!

Like a glove! Hahahahahaha!

Cant 'lock' it though, (i'm halfway through a bolt on slam panel mod).

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P1080041.jpg

There you go mate.

[Jack]

Ahhh. No slam panel I assume then lol

[valvercorsa]

any updates yet mate?

[belly257]

looking good mate:thumb:

[novadoneitthistime]

right pulled my finger out today, (and skinned it's knuckles :cry:) been v. v. busy.

fitted all the bits that will be buried once engine is in.
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P4040217.jpg

checked my new clutch
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P4040223.jpg

and slapped it on
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P4040224.jpg
(dont worry, I did remember to take those three lugs off)

shoved the gearbox on, and fired her into the bay
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P4040234.jpg

Sweet! Time for a brew!
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P4040237.jpg

[valvercorsa]

looks well nice under there mate you have done a great job :)

[AlexW]

White on white looks awsome. Good work.
When you hoping to have it running?

[The Simps]

white intake looks smart, almost looks central in the bay.

[Steve]

Cool, the engine looks really good in there, if a bit tight! lol

[robertdevlin69]

looks well,fills the bay nicely

[General Baxter]

will the servo even fit lol

[novadoneitthistime]

been taking it real easy over easter so not much progress. Fitted the bonnet back on, and now its got that front plenum on...... it doesn't fit. A quick 5 minutes with the grinder however, and it started seeing things my way!

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P4130242.jpg

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P4130243.jpg

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P4130244.jpg


I had to carve out a fair chunk to clear the belt cover and the dipstick.
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P4130245.jpg

The bonnet plunger wasn't going to work were it was so I drilled the spot welds out and moved it to where the safety catch goes. (need a plan for the safety catch now)
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P4130246.jpg

Had to chop a big old bit out the bonnet too, but I'll neaten that up before I repaint it.
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P4130248.jpg

But I'm getting there, I'm getting there
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P4130253.jpg

[muzzy]

That engine sits really nice in there, car looks really good too.

[Sloth]

looks great, any chance on selling a few mounts?

[novadoneitthistime]

looks great, any chance on selling a few mounts?

Yeah, could do if you're interested. They're not too much hassle to knock up in a couple hours work.

[Sloth]

yer pm me some info and prices etc, ta mate. just need some supertourer badges now eh??

[corsakid]

very impressive good work

[The Simps]

Any scope for removing the bonnet cable and catch completely and run bonnet pins/catches? This is what I did when the panel became too weak because I'd cut a fair bit away etc.

Love that engine bay!

[novadoneitthistime]

Any scope for removing the bonnet cable and catch completely and run bonnet pins/catches? This is what I did when the panel became too weak because I'd cut a fair bit away etc.

Love that engine bay!

Thanks!

Yeah bonnet pins would be the answer, and they do look mean! I just thought it'd be nice to have the bonnet secure if I had to leave it parked anywhere.

[novadoneitthistime]

very impressive good work

Thankyou very much.!:thumb:

[AlexW]

Looking good!

You can get lockable bonnet pins? Will be a pain to remove but if its only just for when the car is parked i guess its not that bad? lol

[scott.parker]

Cheep padlock will work through the bonnet pin..

Or on ebay theres some lockable ones for £13 p&p i got these to go on my boot.

Scott

[novadoneitthistime]

thanks for the help. If I dont manage to get the plunger thing working, I'll defo be going for pins.

[The Simps]

This is the type I and most people use:- http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/products/ProductDetail.asp?cls=ROAD&pcode=PST120-2000

[novadoneitthistime]

anybody know what radiator I can use for a v6 conversion?

[Jack]

GTE etc one should be suitable.

[novadoneitthistime]

Well I've been messing around with the radiator today. Went and bought a brand spanker, 32mm cores instead of 22mm. Seems to fit better for whatever reason??? I love brand new shiny shiny meeeeeee!

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P4260254.jpg

top pipe looks a bit stretched but I'll try and run it, see what happens.
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P4260255.jpg

bottom hose could have been made to measure!! popped on no bother at all!
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp237/novadoneitthistime/P4260257.jpg

[benw456]

id get another top hose mate, with the movment in the engine it will probaly crack the plastic pipe from the rad. a normal hose looks like it would be ok on there. Good work though!

[The Simps]

yeah, chopped down standard nova one would fit that.

[novadoneitthistime]

Standard nova hose doesn't have the right diameter to fit the V6. I'll probably have to have a hunt around the scrap yard I call a garden to find something more suitable.

Engine is very very solid, I dont think it's going to move far, I think I'll just have to wait and see. maybe i'll leave the radiator loose so it can all move about hahahahaha

[novadoneitthistime]

not updated this for a while. Got my exhaust 80% finished and now I'm starting on the fuel system. need an injection fuel tank as mine was a 1.2 carb in a previous life. If i'm going to be changing the pump for the one out the vectra tank, can I use either SPI or MPI tanks? Anybody got one laying round they want rid of for a good cause and a small amount of cash???

[AlexW]

The vectra pump is too big to fit a SPI tank isnt it? Im presuming the veccy pump is intank anyways?

[stupot89]

if a mk3 astra gsi pump is enough to run the v6 then use one of them as they fit in a nova spi tank :thumb:

[wiseboy]

will run it fine mate

[corsa1986]

Looks great :eek::thumb:

[The Simps]

Standard nova hose doesn't have the right diameter to fit the V6. I'll probably have to have a hunt around the scrap yard I call a garden to find something more suitable.



I put a small piece inside the hose on my old nova let. The jubilee more than held it in place.