Im going to be putting a 4x4 system onto my nova and ive heard that the 4x4 system off a cavi or calibra run off the power steering. Is this right if so is there any other way of using it without putting power steering in my car as i hate it.
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Im going to be putting a 4x4 system onto my nova and ive heard that the 4x4 system off a cavi or calibra run off the power steering. Is this right if so is there any other way of using it without putting power steering in my car as i hate it.
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Originally Posted by BIGS
by that you mean..
4x4 runing gear so that its 4wheel drive?
if you an do that, then am sure you can get around a minor thing like power steering.
Yea thats what i think. Im thinking about just using the power steering pump and see if that works. but wanted to see what people said on here first as i dont want to spend more money then i have to
As said a million times before, your going into uncharted territory, and youll be having to do a LOT of bespoke fabrication.
As Martin said, if you cant work out how to run the power steering pump without running power steering, you have absolutely no hope whatsoever.
Not being mean, nasty or aggressive in any way, thats just how it is!
The transfer box is powered on vauxhalls? :confused:
Excuse me if thats a daft question but on mine its a mechanical 50/50 xfer box.
Yep, you can actually disconnect the rear wheels by removing a fuse lol
Either that or just dump the clutch a bit too heavily.
I know what you mean bt and your right about me not having a clue i havent. its my mate that knows what to do and i thought it was just slap the transfer box on and that was it as far as the 4x4 getting to work. my mate would know how to do it when we get to it, but thought id ask on here first as there are a lot that use this form that knows there stuff and maybe already know how i can do it instead of working it out ourselfs.
Fair play, but there lies the problem. No one that we know of has done it. Yes theres been space framed variants for ralying, but no proper 4x4 road car.
I cant remember who but someone did a MK1 astra. It involved grafting a cally floorpan onto it. AFAIK it was a pain in the ass, and an Astra is closer to a callys size than a nova!
Its far from just chucking in a transfer box! The whole rear suspension has to be changed for cally items, which are too wide, and have no similarities with a nova rear end whatsoever for a start! Wish your mate luck! lol
imo it would be a lot easier using a proper 4x4 system off a different car
I know about using the whole rear axle and suspension as it has independent suspension. which dont matter to much anyway as i want to go wide track and use the whole axle. and know about it not fitting and needing cutting down to fit etc. I just thought as soon as the transfer box is on the gearbox and the propshaft is custom made to fit and placed into the diff you have 4x4. never knew it had to run off something. And the only nova i know is 4x4 is the twin engined one. but i think thats a whole diffrent way of doing it to the way im going to i think. Am i right in saying it was done by using spaceframe?
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Either that or just dump the clutch a bit too heavily.
lmfao, corsas have been done as I have helped build one (be it never completely finished it) but not seen a nova as they are alot thinnger an thus the cav / calibra stuff will sit out the arches 6 miles.
if you wear going to do a 4 wheel drive nova you best bet would bo to look at a 4 wheel drive jap car or something the same size ish to a nova and then use floor plan and engine and swop over the shell and body panels
The only similiar size 4x4 hatch that stands a chance at fitting into/onto a Nova is an Escort Cosworth. You'll stick out the arches around 6cm either side and the prop needs shortening approx 50mm. Then its just the ooh so simple task of fitting an IRS setup from a Ford onto a Vauxhall, aswell as mating it to the engine, mounting transfer box's, prop, front suspension setup and shafts etc etc etc....
Only thing is, if you can find a Es'cos running gear going for "a few hundred quid" ill eat my own sh1t :thumb:
how about something like a pulsar set up?
things are possible. there is a guy who is building a citroen ax. with a cosworth engine and running full 4x4 set up however he did it with space framing but he is working around that to make it fully road legal.
if you have lots of dosh to throw into the project, time and great fabrication skills then go for it.
Pulsar is to longer wheelbase and track, like mega to big ;) ive already checked :thumb: thats how i know Es'cos parts are the closest ;)
A Mk2 escort rear axle might be a good starting point for the back. One thing you have to bare in mind is that you would need to make sure the rear wheels spin at the same rate as the fronts, which would probably mean custom crown wheel and pinion being made for the rear diff. You're talking big bucks here mate, I hope you've got deep pockets.
im sure i've seen on mig a 1.6 8v turbo with F28 and 4x4. I'll have a check...
A live rear axle on a 4x4 is a very bad idea imo. I suppose you could drop link it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geth
5 linked rear axle would be best IMO, but then you'll pay some serious wedge for one. We have two for sale ;) and there not cheap TBH.
Hope your well upto speed with fabrication and mechanical engineering chap, as your gonna need your thinking cap to over come a lot of problems :thumb:
Now i could be wrong, but... ok it's not the same as on the WRX's but would the 4x4 of these fit easyer?
http://www.motors.co.uk/subaru-justy...w#car-search-1
Scott
Can scan the mk1 Astra article from a TV mag if you like mate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bottlethroddy
ive always said that justy stuff would probably be an easier fit. but as to its power handling abilities ive no idea.....
?20 says this project starts then stops fairly rapidly. Not being harsh but if you are asking such basic questions then you dont have the ability to carry out the job.
just an f28 IIRC...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash
same guy whos helping build Montys Cav??
Yea, titled: Remember this...' and a 500bhp rwd cav?
I thought it had the F28 as they were going to/in the process of making it 4wd
i know of one 4x4 nova, will try and get some more info! as talking to a guy the other day who does mad conversions on novas, currently rwd cossie engined nova!
Justy stuff is ideal, thats how the 4x4 Nova Rally cars were made in the 90's, and cost circa ?7k a time for the conversion lol although Justy running gear is quite rare TBH.
http://file029b.bebo.com/1/large/200...322009139l.jpg
http://file028b.bebo.com/4/large/200...716495440l.jpg
http://file028b.bebo.com/13/large/20...613218646l.jpg
Peugeot 106 4x4 running Cosworth engine
I remember a mk1 astra 4x4 rally car from years back, it had a rover v8, a rangerover gbox & bmw diffs front & rear running to astra front suspension front & rear. it looked very agricultural.
Ok well were do that then but i wont give up right away ill leave it a while and i get the money woohoo lol .Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart
NO serously now my mate already knows how to get the rear axle to fit and it dont matter about the width of it as im going to have wide arches around the wheels. and i know someone in plymouth that shortens propshafts for conversions such as this for ?120. And to tho's who say hope your good at fabrication and mechanical engineering thats not a problem as my mate is a metal fabractor and does work for big place's such as marine projects working on the princess yachts. All that i wanted to know is if anyone knew about this power steering pump as its good to get other peoples views. But its not like we wont know how to change it. when it comes to that stage were sort it out then.
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Originally Posted by Bottlethroddy
Why?
You could alway find a fiat panda 4x4 lol
Or
Like stu said a Justy
Handling.Quote:
Originally Posted by tom reid
*cough* stu said? lol ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Saloony
Scott
yep I rock :p
what about the old mazda 323 turbo 4x4?? surely thats of similar dimensions to a nova?
Anyhoo, im sure theres a bloody good reason why nobody's seen this done before.
Its far too much hassle/work/fukking around etc etc just for bragging rights
Id bet a pound to a picnh of **** itd be fukking rubbish anyway when its finished due to the lack of research and developement gone into it, and the weight of the system alone!
What engine are you hoping (Dreaming) of using?
Ahmen Brother!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stu16vT
http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/proje...astra-mki.html
C20LET with toyota celica GT4 running gear on a MK1 Astra. You're looking at a project around that scale to do similar to a nova, even if you use Vauxhall running gear.
lol well said Stu :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Saloony
Aye, I think we decided ages ago on one of the other 4x4 threads that it would be an excersise purely in fabrication skills and posing. There definately wouldnt be a handling improvement, most probably more detrimental to the handling, plus added weight ETC. I can only see a benefit in launching on a 1/4 mile running BIG power.
That on its own eliminates a vauxhall 4wd system lol
it woulb be easier to cut and shorten a calibra chassis/floorpan then get a custom prop etc,and then drop a nova shell onto that i would expect you would have to run a very big spec engine to justify all the work though