VOSA get worse chiped ecu's = MOT failure!

worth a read by all changes to the MOT rules and regs

http://wrecks2riches.co.uk/2010/10/2011-changes-to-mot/

as said in the comments when you read down how there going to regulate it i dont know

also HID kits general wiring condition and srs air bag lights are now all to be checked aswell

wiring and airbags fair enough but corectly adjusted hid kits shouldnt be a problem and basicly banning remaped and chiped ecu's is daft and will never be able to easily regulate it on older stuff


thoughts opinions?

Glad I've gone to standard old fart cars lol.

I wish someone would delete that page off the Internet, it does nothing but cause trouble!

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Originally Posted by VOSA

Other items – such as headlamp bulb and unit incompatibility, headlamp levelling devices and illegal engine ‘chipping’ – will need further thought before we can get a workable solution for MOT stations.

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Actually, note it says "illegal engine 'chipping'" - last time I checked, engine chips weren't illegal? So thats implying either it will only target specific chips/ECU mods, or the government is planning a ban on engine chipping lol

[edit] Reading the EU regs this is all based on, there's not a lot different to the current MOT. Notable stuff includes condition of airbags (not sure how they test that one..!) and dash warning lights can cause a fail. Also, battery security is now to be part of the MOT. Also interesting that headlight requirements are the same, and there's no mention of HIDs or mismatched bulb/lamp types etc, and no mention of ECU modifications being disallowed.

[edit again lol] The EC directive says the recommended period of passenger vehicle testing should be 4 years after registration, then at two year intervals - but also says you don't have to stick to that and can enforce testing anually from the start (in fact, there's a bit that says new cars can even have MOTs before being sold)

**** all that, they need to clamp down on illegal engine conversions!

I would imagine it would only really impact anything that gets round emissions regs, eg a remap that can run without a cat, a remap that alters the CO2 away from the certified figures. Although putting EVERY post 2001 car on a NEDC for the MOT will be totally unaffordable and I think there isnt enough testers/stations in the UK to actually keep up with the number of cars about lol.

Just about the most unenforceable load of tosh ever

well, if it gets those annoying 25hp resistors from eBay banned, then i'm all for it.

Thats just a stupidity test.... tbh they should be government monitored so that anyone buying them gets shot in the face.

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Originally Posted by Mike

**** all that, they need to clamp down on illegal engine conversions!

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Just what everyone was thinking +rep :thumb:

Engine conversions aren't illegal though so what's to clamp down on?

Not declaring it on the V5 and paying appropriate tax/insurance that's a different matter.

Don't come countries on the continent have restrictions on engine conversions? I can imagine them trying something similar here, probably under the guise of it being more green to not change an engine or some such toss (much like it was more green to scrap your ~10 year old perfectly usable car and buy a brand new one lol)

Iirc in france you can't do fook all to modify the engine, not sure on other countries on the continent

How would they do that here tho ? Make every one change everting back to standard ? :tard: lol

The krauts charge tax by the power output I believe

I though it was Sweden?

Allegedly when the Escort Cosworth was released, the Swedish ones never had the massive upper whale tail spoiler as it was deemed "to dangerous" :S

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Originally Posted by Mike

I though it was Sweden?

Allegedly when the Escort Cosworth was released, the Swedish ones never had the massive upper whale tail spoiler as it was deemed "to dangerous" :S

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but it didn't stop the works rally cars keeping them.........

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Originally Posted by Stuart

The krauts charge tax by the power output I believe

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and belgium!

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Originally Posted by Edd

Iirc in france you can't do fook all to modify the engine, not sure on other countries on the continent

How would they do that here tho ? Make every one change everting back to standard ? :tard: lol

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heard stories of frogs swapping xe's back to 1200's etc the day before there version of the mot then refitting the day after!

Hence why a lot of euro cars are slow as feck but look mad as you like

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Originally Posted by mowgli

but it didn't stop the works rally cars keeping them.........

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True true, but on the whole they were mostly built & registered elsewhere in the EU (apparently?)

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Originally Posted by phazer

Not declaring it on the V5 and paying appropriate tax/insurance that's a different matter.

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Ergo, an illegal conversion.

Perhaps when they say illegal chips they mean not registered with the drivers insurance company?
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Originally Posted by Mike

Ergo, an illegal conversion.

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The conversion is not illegal though is it. Anyone is free to put whatever engine in whatever car legally.

Failing to declare an engine swap voids your insurance leaving you with points and a fine for no insurance, not for having swapped your engine.

Likewise the tax, you get fined and back tax for no paying the right class or get done for fraud but it's not because the engine swap is illegal.

Semantics yes, but an important distinction.

It is against the law to have incorrect information on the registration document though, so in that respect failure to declare is again illegal (so not just for insurance).

But in terms of the physical stuff, agreed its still a case of do what you like!

I wonder if the goverment are trying to make some form of ECU controlled speeding/driving device kinda like the black box on planes but for cars.

This could be used for well pretty much all industry jobsworths so not allowing you to tamper with the ECU they are able to screw us further?

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Originally Posted by Jack

It is against the law to have incorrect information on the registration document though, so in that respect failure to declare is again illegal (so not just for insurance).

But in terms of the physical stuff, agreed its still a case of do what you like!

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Kinda like owning a knife is legal but stabbing someone isn't lol

I think you are onto something there rexy, tied into sat nav of sorts (read speed monitoring GPS device) so won't let you go over 30 in a 30 zone and more than 70 on a motorway etc

There is almost no way to stop someone from fiddling with an electronic device's setup... There will/would be ways to get round things.
Also no one (well hardly anyone) would buy a car knowing it was spied on/controlled from elsewhere, so older cars would be more desirable etc and new car sales would fall off the face of the earth. Even making it compulsory would fail because a system would cost atleast a grand per car and I'm sure any gvot would charge the end user, plus a subscription fee too no doubt.... its a FAIL and will never happen unless all cars got nuked off the planet and we started again from scratch lol

i agree there. if any govt. attempted to watch every single car, or even put tachograph technology into them, there would be a new govt elected next time. but, its the sort of thing that politicians would love to do, especially labour with their obsession with railways.....[how do we get to the effing station??[why waste all that space on a rail-tracks when you can get way more freight & people on a road with the same footprint?? etc]

but, the british govt has plenty of previous history of screwing up massive computer networks that 2 blokes & a supply of beverages could set up in a fortnight (NHS, police, all civil service depts) so it wouldn't happen easily

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but, the british govt has plenty of previous history of screwing up massive computer networks

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Someone call my name? lol

hmmmmm..... goes to look at my tax return & mutter...

thats crap they have no way of testing, and most cars that have had a good remap actually have lower emissions.

lol love how most get girly over vosa speculation

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Originally Posted by Saloony

lol love how most get girly over vosa speculation

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vosa is now self funding. they usually don't actually know their own legal powers & rely on the publics ignorance to get fines.

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Originally Posted by mowgli

vosa is now self funding. they usually don't actually know their own legal powers & rely on the publics ignorance to get fines.

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Dont need to tell the mot tester fella :thumb:

With all that said, the equipment need to test these sort of things will cost thousands, and they cant force garages to face the burden of buying these things, then it will all push on tho the motorists, which is gonna see the mot at 100+ notes. Is everyone gonna be happy with that, doubt. They been screaming about window tinting for years but again making garage by the additional equipment aint gonna happen, and still hasnt.

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Originally Posted by mowgli

vosa is now self funding. they usually don't actually know their own legal powers & rely on the publics ignorance to get fines.

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haha! i rely on sheer ignorance to get away with fines LOL lol

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Originally Posted by Dervy

thats crap they have no way of testing, and most cars that have had a good remap actually have lower emissions.

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very very very rarely ime... but never let advertising for a remap tell the truth lol

stu, a good remap was mentioned, as opposed to some of the stuff that goes on.

to be fair, a 100k mile engine with a fantastic remap will still chuck more out than a new std engine...

I've yet to see a good 'remap' from any supplier other than the OEM's when they feck about for a giggle ;)

vosa checked over my nova. got pulled for random checks one night....they liked it and sent me on my way with a "your front pads only have a few thousand miles left"

Imo if 'chipped' ecu became an mot failure it would just end up like cats, people would simply refit and remove before and after each test