What running gear would you use for a rwd drive nova? Any pics of austin's blue beast?
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What running gear would you use for a rwd drive nova? Any pics of austin's blue beast?
escort.
xe mated to siera box, using a converter from sbd etc, worth looking at kit cars etc, use a siera prop and rear diff?
Manta box? shortened prop?
what cossie or something? not that gen'd up on my fords.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul
will it be the right length/width etc.
Can you get custom props made?
I suppose sierra stuff would be the obvious as its fairly readily available because of kit car use.
Escort mk1 or mk2 rear axle I think.
sorry a type 9 ford box, from a pinto (escort mk1,2, sierra etc)
The bellhousing to mate an XE to a type 9 box is quite common and can be bought for about £150ish.
Custom props are also quite a common thing nowadays, and are quite widely available. Do a Google search or something for the best place for this.
With the rear axle, use an Escort mk1/Mk2 item, as they will be roughly the same width as a Nova. Try and find a RS2000 one as they come with a LSD as standard.
cool. cool. Could be next years venture.
Anyone got pics of austins engine bay, inside etc? does the type 9 box leave much room for your feet etc?
sorry mate that i cant help you with.
not a prob, thanks for your help.
I have some just looking now
Thanks for that. Its pretty tight as expected.
Would you have to run ford hubs, suspension and brakes all round?
What steering box?
shouldn't see why? I'd run std fronts, with cv in and tightend up to stop bearings fooking up, rears you should get away with maybe omega hubs? could posibly convert to an independent rear suspension set up? Maybe mate in the rear floor pan off a cav and runa cav turbo rear diff set up? that would provide independent rear suspensiona nd keep the vauxhall hubs etc
Not taking any credit away from Austin as his job is fantastic but I doubt it would be that hard. Its down to pure balls to give it a try, and depends on how well you want finished article to be, Hardest part in my opinion and my favorite part of Austins is the folding front end.
It just came to me that a nova 2dr saloon deserves to be rear wheel drive! I'll get it running on the r1 carbs this winter and have fun in it next summer then take it off the road next autumn and go for it I think!
I've got a welder now so can take bits in place and get my mate to bring his commercial jobbie down to finish weld. Just trial and error really. I'd look to go more space framed than what austin has, drawing inspiration from some of the golf threads I've seen recently.
Would I have to change to a different sump too?
Not really. The FWD Sump is designed to allow the Manifold to pass through it. On a RWD the engine sits 90 different to the FWD car so the Manifold doesnt pass under the Sump, but runs along side it.
Unless you have a cross member under the engine, you're alright. Might I suggest an IRS set up similiar to that of a Calibra? Either that or get a Manta A rear end set up. Chevettes are narrow but their diff set up etc isnt exactly ideal.
What engine you want to run?
Would be an XE on bike carbs.
I think its either gonna be go down the route of running the full mk1/2 escort running gear with fixed axle or using cav/cally IRS setup and wide tracking the rear to suit.
Or could go spaceframe and use a more custom irs setup.
Manta B 1800 box and a Manta A back end. Minimal work compaired to Space Framing and an IRS Set up. That said, theres a lot of work in the rear of the car to get it all working. My advice, buy a scrapped Chevette shell to donate the rear floor pan and the majority Transmission tunnel.
Is someone going a different direction with their coupe build? Or was this always the plan?! I for one will be watching your rebuild if you go through with this!
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Originally Posted by Dod
I'm against useing the older vauxhall stuff because its not as readily available and not as easy to upgrade. At least using the ford gear quaiffe kits for example aren't overly expensive so there's room for upgrade without havn't to rethink the whole lot.
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Originally Posted by Pete_58
The build is still going forward as usual. I've always liked the idea of rwd it but its the cost factor. I want to get it all up an running healthily and have fun with it next year (I missed out this year) then see how things are next autumn when it comes off the road.
I believe you will need the RWD sump & oil pickup for your XE. Something from a Manta or OHC Carlton should do the trick.
Sounds like a cool project theough mate & I know you arent one to say something & not do it, so all things considered, you should make it happen.
Seeing it done to a saloon will actually be far nicer than seeing the usual 3-dr, modded to death. The one draw back with Austin's no one has mentioned is the weight. All that tubular steel doesnt do it any favours.
I dont see why a different sump and oil pick up will be needed? Turning the engine through 90 degrees wont change how it works, will it?!
1st. A RWD sump will certainly be more suited to the way a GM engine mates with a GM RWD box.
2nd. The depth of the sump is designed to allow for oil movement under acceleration & braking. Turn it 90 degrees & that all goes out the window.
I'm sure there are other factors. But the fact the sump & oil pickup are tailored on RWD engines goes to show it is a consideration.
Fair point. Wont a ford box be used along with a bell housing adaptor plate? I'm not very genned up on what GM rwd boxes will mount to an XE.
True if a FORD box is used, hence why I highlighted about GM rwd boxes.
It all needs to be thought about & researched. I only know that stuff from previous forum discussions about XE'ing Mantas etc.
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Originally Posted by craig green
Hence why I'm doin it nearly a year in advance! lol
I'm in the process of speaking to the right people who know both their vauxhalls and fords so should get somegood gen :thumb:
anything can be made if you've got the cash and time! I'd go small blook something so fords are good area you may well need to choop into the fire wall then fabricate a new one tho!
Thedriftworks boys do this sort of thing all the time put a 3JZ lump in a 200sx S15 and moved it back 11" to make for better weight disdribution!
Good luck would love to see the finsihed car!
2.0 8v calton lump and shoten running gear should do the trick in a light nova, my old diplomat manual was plenty tourquey enough, pulling the twin axel caravan up some stupid hill round france!!
I recall Barton saying something about Sumps recently in TV with regards to putting an XE in the Manta. I'll dig out the article and get it posted up.Quote:
Originally Posted by craig green
http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/engin...drift-car.html
One that was for sale on ebay a few years back. :thumb:
^ I remember seeing that one before.
That fabrication work won't really be "that" tricky relatively speaking. Get engine as far back as possible then fabricate bulkhead and tunnel and cut out boot floor for 4 link mounts and axle clearance. The rest is pretty much using mk2 escort parts.
I dont see the point in going to all that hassle and sticking with a Live rear axel. If i was to RWD conversion, the rear end suspension would be top of the list to modernise.
/\ yeh i agree with what your saying, i think if i was going to do this conversion i would use an independant rear setup from something like an omega or the like. what i want to do with mine in future is to use a saab 2.0 turbo engine from something like a 93, these mate straight upto a Manta 1.8 gearbox, these are pretty hard to find but are a getrag unit and the same gearbox is used in the e30 bmw 320 i think. The Saab engine has seriously good internals and reportedely can take 400bhp with no internal work whatsoever whilst being 100% reliable.
"Shell is 5 linked" surely he doesn't mean a 5 link suspension set up? :eek: Setup tuners wet dream lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve
dont know if its been mentioned already but contact dave@ag on here, read on his site the other day that he had something to do with a RWD nova rally car.
They mate stright up? You sure.. as they use vx boxs but have an adaptor plate to get the grearboxes to mate to the engines..Quote:
Originally Posted by DW-Nova
Post 1994 Saab engine have the same bolt pattern as vauxhall and the gearboxes mount straight up to them.
the rear axle set up with the 4 link system, panhard setup etc is gonna be more than enough for the basic tools I want the car to be. Its meant to be a fun track car thats a little different. Cheaper option than a kit car really and I love nova's. I won't be pouring thousands into this. Been there, done that.