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Fantastic, keep cracking with it mate.
cheers Mr staypuff if you do the truffle shuffle ill give you a marshmallowQuote:
Originally Posted by wwmnw
hey fat boy arrived
cheers dave thats how you should get your wings mate. :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by david dixon
Yeah thats how i want them mateQuote:
Originally Posted by Gareth_C
David.
I think they will finish the car off on the outside with the other mods lol just hope it fits throught the gap :confused: :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by david dixon
Although this is a wip thread it has some decent and honest discussion about the perils of modifying an XE.
Thats what happens on forums - thats the purpose.
Its clear (for me) that you are inexperienced in modifying, whereas some of the reponses (Jonlem, Steve, Corsakid, Phillip and me! lol) are built from experience and have made some mistakes along the way - so we know a bit more...
To see over 260 you need solid lifters, a pukka manifold and exhaust, some decent injectors (probably 8, not 4), plus all the other bits mentioned and about £10-13k.
I have a pretty well specced XE and it has cost me a few quid - it just gets my goat when people say "pfff, you only have XX bhp?? My mate has 275 bhp with a race head"
No one is slagging you off, if you post that you will get 275 with these mods etc, and its not right - then people will disagree.
FACT.
Ive got a printout for a 180bhp standard xe.... :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareth_C
Dont really mean much.
Anyway, engine bits etc look well :)
Thanks for the backup Will, you have covered everything and I know you are well aware what these things cost.
As for specs and costs, a quick run down of my mates :
Stock crank
Cat Cams Rods £670
86.5mm Accralite flat tops £500
Blydenstein head £800
Piper double springs £250
Arrow solid lifters and shims £300
QED 450 camshafts £400+
Jenvey 48mm tapered throttle bodies and MBE 967 ECU £2000
Steel flywheel £250
AP clutch £450
Simpson manifold and system £1500
That was a 230hp specced engine, made 224 with iffy cam timing and yes I have the graphs, that adds upto over 7k and thats not included a LOT of parts it had like pulleys, machining, gaskets, oil pump etc...
NP - wish you were closer, I want to slap some TBs on the Honda and want your skillzzzlolQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonlem
There is a lovely engine on ebay with tb's, dry sump the lot ! ;)
Plus points for how many for your friends you could mention in one post :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Will F
well If you read what I said I wasnt expecting to get said power from I currently have im not thick. thats what my ultimate goal
Cheers mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam
Well either graphs count on this website or not lol and there is no mention of a SCCR box doesnt he know what he is doing :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonlem
The costing i put up was a estimate not a actual final figure. but lets talk numbers then:
DTH bodies £2000
dta + loom £1000
pistons £550
Rods £300
Forged steel crank £835
Double valve springs £200
Cams £400
GM lifters £200
TTV Flywheel £200
Clutch £400
Manifold £300
Exhaust £300
potential head £2000
Plus bearings, machining, ancilieries, ARP's etc so because My build will be nearer £8k By right pub figures this means my enigne is better than your mates cause it costs more :thumb:
Am on my bb and that last bit made me piss my. Self and drop the phone lol as we have said to you all watch this spaceQuote:
Originally Posted by Gareth_C
This is turning into a comedy thread, why would you plan to spend 2k on a head then run it on hydraulics! But spend another grand on a crank! And you want it to be reliable I take it, ( well I would for 8k ) but the fact is it's not going to be! Not unless you spec all the components accordingly, people are trying to offer you advice, how you take that advice is up to you weather you see it as criticism or an attack against you! It's not noone wants to see you throw 8 grand into something for it to end in a component failure and all end in a swarf infested oily mess on a drag strip or a track!
Yawn
Hydraulic lifters eh, ok mate, you clearly know best.
It has f**k all to do with my mates costing more, its the fact it was built with that power in mind and thats what it had to cost.
What exhaust manifold are you using as there are probably only 2 off the shelf manifolds that are known to work on high output xe's, the others have to be custom and you take your chances using those.
You have back tracked more and more in the last few pages, one minute its going to be 260+hp when its built, now its just your goal eventually ? its not going to make much power at all if you can't rev it, you do understand that don't you lol
Whilst you have some nice parts sitting there and its not yet assembled I would advise you consider changing the spec a little to solid lifters, solid profile camshafts and maybe take note about the issues with xe's breathing so look into a Tony Law or BTB manifold as you will need it to achieve the numbers your looking at.
It might benefit you to stop being a pi55taker and actually take some advice from people who DO know whats needed to make those sort of numbers from the chosen engine rather than think were all internet experts and don't know what were talking about, especially Steve when he has been there many many times.
I know some people are giving advice but then it turns into a slagging match just because something is slightly different to how I have been told it needs to be. I understand that at that level tolerences are so close its unbelivable to even think of the consequenses ( I have twice) all im getting at its not construction advice or critism it reads like its a piss take :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by corsakid
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Originally Posted by Gareth_C
So if you understand tolerances are so tight WHY are you planning to run it on hydraulics and ****y cams?
Ok mate the parts are not sat there I have ran them for a year and like I have tried to explain before I blew the head it was 263bhp according to a rr. Im only sticking with the cams as for what advice sbd gave me last night mu intention was solid cams anyway which was listed on the orginal spec sheet to do. its all a learning curve and if the cams dont work right then ill change them if needs be the manifold was copied from the sizing of the sbd type c manifold aswellQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonlem
how are kent bad cams, as i have just posted i was planning a solid cams but sbd reccons i dont need them yetQuote:
Originally Posted by corsakid
Once again, the advice your getting is no good, wether that is Steve Broughton ( which I am not convinced on ) or whoever.
I'm sorry but as Corsakid has said you would not build a engine like yours and fit hydraulic lifters, its going to totally destroy what chance that engine had of making any power as you will be so limited on the cam shaft choice.
Its not consructive critism because you won't even look into it, you think your way is right and I'm sorry but several people have posted on this thread for a very good reason but STILL you have to disagree with them.
As for one of the earlier comments made at me about how would I like it if it was mine, well for a start I'd be speaking to a few people if that many people thought I was doing something wrong, one person can quite easily have his wires crossed but like this case when several point out a potential mistake you should and I most certainly would look into it before proceeding with things.
I have a thread for my car, feel free to comment, it hasn't taken over 4 years and nearly 30k of my money for no reason, I wanted to do things right at whatever cost that might be.
:tard: I give up
most of the stuff that is said looks to be a assistance but it the rest where it feels like cause im not saying ok what do you reccomend and can you sell me it just reads like thecars build is getting put down and ripped to bits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonlem
cheers for sticking with it though :thumb:
I am not knocking the car, I am just telling you the engine spec is wrong and if you want to save yourself some money do it the right way once rather than keep having to change things.
It is as simple as that really, if you want to build the engine several times over then thats fine, currently that is how it looks to me and I would rather not see anyone have to do that.
Thats fair enough and I appreiciate what your saying and ill try and be a bit more understanding but my defense I have a temper and a attiude problem and the way it read to me didnt look right so to speck but ill try and not get as ot headed :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonlem
whats with simpson manifolds then as nova rally is advertising one
andrew andrew andrew he final add mite's it woooooop wooooop sorry that so had to be done run of to pm andrew lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Gareth_C
shut up sheep y and stop copying meQuote:
Originally Posted by Danny s-p
BWAHAHAHAHAHA @ Sheepy lol:cry:lol:cry:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Gareth_C
right okQuote:
Originally Posted by wwmnw
meh i like the saying and just been out looked at my nova i seen no GSI bumper or a gay as fook XE so get back in ya cage am not a sheepQuote:
Originally Posted by Gareth_C
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...4/Sheepish.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Danny s-p
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No what you saw was a pile of mix and match bits that was bought to keep up with other people im trying to turn this thread around to be decent and consturctive lets leave it there shall we :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny s-p
Sorry Dad But I Never Got If I Doubt Flat Out Off You Like Snowdon Try To Say I Am
The Simpson manifolds by now tend to be very good indeed, my concern is the fitment as they are also custom made and a nova doesn't have buckets of room.
It would be worth asking Colin if he has had it on a nova and if the price is right it wouldn't be a bad purchase but in all honesty as the guys who map them that I know they swear by the proper BTB one which I would expect may be cheaper.
You have the makings of a awesome engine, I'd love to see it done right once and perform as it should.
Cheers for the honest reply btw ;)
No problem mate thats the closed anybody has or will ever receive a appology:thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonlem
all second thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Gareth_C
:)
is there a certain size primary's and secondary i should be looking for (Ihave 13/4" to 2" to 2.5")Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonlem