Top work Ben JAMMIN!
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Top work Ben JAMMIN!
Theirs no stopping you is their!
lol yes, i was getting snow blindness while sanding the roof. Gave up then.
non-sunroof shells ftw lol
I used to think SR stood for SunRoof model or StreetRacing
Oh not good mate, but least it's in good hands, as most wouldn't know how to deal with it.
weld the sunroof over FFS.
Nice work fella..... That doesnt look a big job to fix and at the end of the day most have a lot more! On another note I was once told their is no such thing as a dent.... "Its only a bend in the light" ;)
Nick.
In this case yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by peester
lol i wondered for ages, was one of my first car forum questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by NovaLad
I'm lucky in this way yes, but still very annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by scott.parker
If i was gonna i'd swap the whole skin, but funk that! Plus my head linings already cut for the whole..lolQuote:
Originally Posted by craig green
No it should be, cut the small bit out weld clean new in, skim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick J
lol i didn't say dent.. I said ripple in the reflection...lol
Cheers guys.
Right remember my new strut brace? The plate on the brace are nice and thick. This gave me this problem..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...n/IMG_8893.jpg
So after talking to my dad, we worked out counter boring it might lose some strength.. So we have a talk and a think and came up with this..
So using a M12 bolt and these.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...etoolsused.jpg
We came up with..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...eaddrilled.jpg
My dad (he's making them) had a few issues doing them. Cue a few tests..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...thalfcutSS.jpg
So can you see where we're going? A M12 bolt, with a M8 hole drilled and taped up the inside, so this will go thru the brace and screw on to the top mount thread. So it will hold the brace down nicely.
These are test ones as he cant get the hole to be center, so he's gonna get a man at his work to drill them on a lathe.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...naltryhead.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...38Finaltry.jpg
And he's done his own write up..lol
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Stainless steel hex head bolt was so hard, the angle grinder was taking a long time to cut it, so abandoned as too hard.
Ordinary steel Allen cap head bolt was grade 12.9, so would be hard and where allen key socket is would take away from the M8 thread length, so not tried.
Ordinary steel hex headbolt #1 - miss-judged and cut too short with angle grinder. But tried drilling, centre carefully marked, but drill wouldn't stay centred even with centre punching and predrilling with a small drill.
Ordinary steel hex headbolt #2 - Drill still wouldn't stay centred.
Ordinary steel hex headbolt #3 - tried marking centre and drilling from head, still wouldn't stay centred.
Ordinary steel hex head #3 - centre carefully marked, centre punched, 2mm then 4mm then 6.8mm hole drilled ready for tapping, hole started centred but hole ended up not concentric by the time it got to the end. Evidently due to platform on pillar drill not being square to chuck. Had to find straight bit of rod to put in chuck, to use set square against, to get platform horizontal. But why is every bit of rod in a shed bent? Bit of near-straight rod found, platform set up as square as could be judged, hole drilled. Nearly concentric - must be how bolt head is held in vice that's putting it out of position. Tapped M8 thread, proved it can be done.
Next - use lathe at work to hold bolt whilst drilling 6.8mm hole in from head end, to get concentric.
Lessons learned - when cutting a bolt with an angle grinder, it stays VERY hot for a long while.
Lol great write up from ur old man. Good work on the roof nova roofs allways seem to dent just behind the b pillars, I've heard they can come from handbrake turns n hard cornering etc as it's the shell flexing.
So you'll drill the hole bigger in the strut brace and then bolt it down with the drilled n tapped bolt? nice idea there benn.
Good idea Benn - but I do think your over-engineering a simple fix
Simply take your strut top mounts off - and replace the upward facing bolts with longer ones - I can't remember if they are just tack welded in or a simple splined bolt (a bit like some wheel stud) that would knock out
Dave
sod it mate it made for a class read even if he is over engineering it!! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by fearless
Just realised Rick had already suggested it - oh well - great minds think alike :)
I did wonder about the roof ripples, sure Nick fixed them on his.. And i know they weren't there when it was first painted.Quote:
Originally Posted by ben doodar
The the brace will have bigger hole for the collar of the bolt to sit thru, the flat on the top then sits on the base of the brace and pulls it down tight.
I am yes, but at the mo it saves taking the car to bit (or any more) grinding off the old ones and getting longer ones in and to be in tighter. Plus i killed my welded so i could tack them in.Quote:
Originally Posted by fearless
Rick did say it, it is my other plan if these dont work. Altho i haven't spend any time doing them ass dads done it all.
These are exactly where I had my very little roof skin ripples / dents (you'd have seen it in my project thread), noticable but only to someone looking for one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benn
Ingenious bolt mod lol
Oh right. How odd.
Non sunroof models seem to be worse for this as there's more flex in the roof skin. One thing I have thought is if this is true, and they tend to dent in the same place quite often, it may not be such a good idea to fill the dent as it may flex again in the same place and crack the filler. Quite unlikely really but just a thought. X
I've just been thinking the say, looking for a pic of Nicks to see where his where... I dont want any cracking.
They all dent in the same place Ben. My gsi had dents in the roof in the same place. Pritty much every nova I've seen has the same dents.
nice motor pal !! have is seen this motor floating around by portsmouth before? i also thinki have seen it in fareham / gosport? just wondering pal :thumb: top stuff !!
Think i'll see if the dent guy can get them better but wont fill them or anything. Dont want any cracking. Cheers dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by ben doodar
I'm in and out of Pompey every so often, always around Fareham yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matty Winslade
My roof on the track has these small ripple type dents in it, i just thought it was to do with it hand not been looked after by Chris when he had the shell, lol
Interesting method of getting round the strut brace issue Benn but i think i'm with Fearless for the solution
lol don't want to put you off Benn I'm sure you've got your own ideas about this. But just a thought and you certainly don't want cracked filler in your roof. Take a look at the next nova you see and I'd be suprised if you don't see the same dents. Yh would be nice to see if the dent man can do anything with these whilst your headlings out. Keep us postedQuote:
Originally Posted by Benn
Your right mine had three shallows down both sides of the roof...... My dent guy told me what tends to happen is that when roofskins gets really hot from sun etc they become more flexible and the strengtheners or sunroof framework can pull down on the skin because of the weight causing small ripples. The bmw minis are the same as they have big cardboard sound deadening pads under the roofskin which pulls the skin inwards causing the same. Simply removing these pops the roof back into position in some cases on the minis. pretty amazing to see. Mine were a little harder to fix but came out 100% with no filler used. A trusted dentguy would be the way Id prefer. Im sure your old boss should know of someone fella. Or If you fancy bringing up here I could have a word for you no worries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benn
Nick.
Just to confirm the dent issue my nova has them in the exact same spots, I'd put it down to running solid top/engine mounts on mine and the stress had gone there.
Mine has a shallow dent in the same place too, on both sides!
Think they all came with them. Mine was a 1.2 running all of 55bhp and it had them there. Think it's just how they are. Doesn't have them anymore though :d
Yeah but them means i have to take my coilovers off.. Car in enough bits as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Count Vaux Alot
If it looks like these wont really do it then i will remove and swap the studs.
No as its a flexing thing i'm not gonna fill anywhere near it... I'm sure the dent guy can. Perfect time too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ben doodar
I did look back at your pics too and see yours are the same..http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...urbowip057.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Nick J
The dent guy that's been in the body shop is very very good, so i'll give him a ring.
Am the mo i've flatted over them with 400 and they've gone down a bit. So i'll let him have a go and leave it there..
Do want anything that might crack or anything. Cheers for the help guys.
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Originally Posted by Southie
Cheers dude. Any photoshop gen?
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Originally Posted by Adam
Must be a stress point.
In the pipeline for tomorrow ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Benn
Legend!
Both the black and the red Nova's have dents there as well but I put it down to the rollcage as pretty sure they weren't there before that.
Well they arnt just random dents then, that seals that.
Humm, best have a nosy over the mk1 roof at the weekend then, as i dont think that had them..?
Nick j: I'd of never thought that about it getting hot and flexing and the roof stregntheners pulling it in. + that with the new minis sounds mad!
I've allways thought this bout the roofs denting in the same place but that's confirmend it now everyones saying there's has the same dents. Lol. Keep us informend how the dent guy gets on with it. Some of the work I've seen them do is amazing!!!
yeah I'm always about in pompey and that, look out for meQuote:
Originally Posted by Benn
silver mk1 Sr :thumb: nice motor !!
Scott, does it have a factory sun roof?
Ben, will do, will take pics..
Matt, ill look out, i drive a orange work van too, cheers :)
Have spent a few nights getting the roof in to a better shape. Popped to the bodyshop so Keith could look at the holes. Worked out if we enlarged the holes a tiny amount they could be plug welded to repair them.
When back in this evening and Paul did the welding. Big thanks to him for that.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...oofrepair8.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...oofrepair9.jpg
He then got carried away and ground the welds off..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...ofrepair10.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...ofrepair12.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...oofrepair2.jpg
And then filled them.. Even tho i was gonna, he just cracked on..
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...oofrepair3.jpg
All done, popped back in tomorrow morning to primer the roof. I flatted back where the ripples where as i didn't want to fill them incase of flexing. Flatting them almost back to bare metal seems to have gotten rid of almost all of them. Yay.
Been trimming bits too... Hello Mr C pillar trim.
I painted them black as a temp job.. Couldn't have that. (has been flatted off)
Before.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...larretrim3.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...llarretrim.jpg
How to help the hole glue..lol
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...larretrim2.jpg
After.. Mucho better.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...oofrepair4.jpg
What cloth you been using Benn? Just something about retrimming plastic which looks so satisfying :)