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^ as in the long drivshaft has more give allowing the wheel to sit inwards more?
My old nova was like that on the back of the car. One wheel would have about 15-20mm whereas the other had about 5mm at most. I double its somthing wrong, just the fact its a nova
olly nothing says your wings are the same! what i mean is your wheels might be exactly the same even if they dont look it. only way to know for sure is lazy alignment imo
You get a similar sort of thing with the inside of rear arches - it's only when you start putting the thing in the weeds it all becomes clear >_<'
Wouldn't lose sleep on it if it's corner weighted, looks similar and drives true ;)
I would just pull the wing out further with my hands tbh.
Seconded... or borrow an arch roller... or bottle jack it like you did with the rears...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Draper
i'm confuddled lol but am sure you'l sort it
Wise words Rick - generate the strength thinking about how sh1t the tolerances are and pull that m0therfcuker out by hand Raaaaaaw
Very easy way to do it, did mine gave me a bit more cleanance. And its free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Draper
Sorted it all out and now both wheels sit nicely inside the arches.
Had my geometry setup today by a proper company with proper professional equipment, state of the art in fact - was impressed... they had a John Bean V3D 3 ARAGO Alignment System which one of these:
http://www.snaponequipment.com/johnb.../eewa550al.jpg
True to life changes and interactive settings, which was mega cool to watch - very accurate and no guess work :D
Having tracked my car by eye to drive down there, was I pleased to say when they first put the gauges on to give me my "current" settings, the NSF was 0.6mm toe out, and the OSF was 0.8mm toe out :cool:
Despite me thinking my castor was even both sides when I last had it done, they we no where near, infact the drivers side had 5deg10mins, and the passenger 4degrees45minutes which is a considerable difference considering they're both supposed to be the same.
The camber was also something that I did by eye, and rolled in at NSF 2deg57min, which is 3min off 3degress negative lol, and drivers was 2deg 14min. doh!
Finally found out today that where JamSport bent my rear beam to give me toe out on the rear, we tried pushing it back out with a porta-power but obviously didn't go back to how it was, it is properly fubarred, with figs to prove. My OSR being vertical but towing out by 1.1deg, and my NSR having 3/4s of a degree negative camber, but point directly ahead - so a new beam will be purchased over winter.
Anyway, in short we pulled the castor on the front wheels back to 4degrees on either side, and I now have a legitimate -1.5degrees (1degree 30mins) negative camber which is what I wanted, along with the 1mm toe out
Fact sheets below, before and after which is cool to keep... have pics of it being done on my mobile too which I'll upload soon.
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q...ure/nc1170.jpg
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q...ure/nc1171.jpg
Oh, and once I left the geometry place, I drove home like a pansy so I didn't upset any of the measurements, as soon as I got on the drive, the car went in the air - whipped the wheels off, and welded the washers in place on the struts, so its all good :)
bent the beam!!!! how the **** and what the ****!! whats wrong with using proper shims to adjust the back geometry.
got a beam in the way in the garage anyway if you want it ol. you know where i am
Shame about the beam! Ratchet strapping is never really gonna be a good option though!
What was the name of the company you went to this time? :)
Wow even get cool diagrams :D How much does setting up like that cost? (If you don't mind me asking)
Bending the beam couldnt have been easy and why the funk,what the funk!
About timew you had a proper lazor set up done. You talk about it like its a new thing.. You in the dark ages up there or what...lol
we have one of those type of aligners at work.they are very accurate you can see the measurements move if theres even a slight breeze thats how sensitive they are!
Burgo - cheers for the offer of the beam, I'll be in touch regarding that! :)
Al - agreed, ratchet strapping isn't the best of ideas, but hey ho - live and learn :) The company is 'Leicester 4 Wheel Alignment Centre' - 0116 254 4489 - www.tyresgalore.co.uk
Iain - see details above, they spent about 1.5-2 hours on my car, and it cost £50, but I left a generous tip because of how quick, professional and efficient they were :thumb:
Ben - not laser as if its a new thing, but those machines are hard to come by, I usually use the "up and over the tyre" jobbies which are also laser-lines, but these clip onto the rim themselves, not the tyre - as my car is now too low to use those
Adam - bloody great aren't they :thumb:
Really? Theyve been using them down here (only protyre/trucktyre have them) for about 10years.. Where i allways get mine done.Quote:
Originally Posted by trackdaynova
Id say £50 is good, what were jamsport charging for their "gold" package?
WOW sweet job buddy :cool::cool: well chuffed for you! I didn't know those cu*ts at jam bent your beam what toss%rs and they are supposed to be professional.....:tard:
I'm glad you have achieved the set up you wanted and our efforts have not gone to waist i'm pleased as punch for you!
Bring on the weekend!!!! :thumb: :thumb:
Ste - yeah totally reasonable price especially for the job they did! I think they charge £200+VAT for their 'gold' package or summut lol
James - a big thanks to you pal for all your hard work getting me to this point - really appreciate it bud, and the weekend will be a blast :)
No probs at all ;) any time but you know that :D
i thought they(jamsport) would of used shims on the rear to adjust the toe/camber.
whens its next outing?
Edited to save agro : )
ace result that.
agree with benn tho - my local STS Holburns has that setup! lol
U had a beam that was bent like yours Oli but it turned out the stub axle was bent not the beam.
I had? or you had?
lol "I" had!
Persevere with your set-up Olz, I'm sure you'll find the 'sweet' spot! :thumb:
Can't wait for Sunday, mini Nurberg here we come lol!
glad you got it all sorted olly cant wait for you to report back with your track report with videos etc will be a really marked improvement i am sure :thumb:
With my bent stub axle Olly what I did in the end was put the beam on a jig and cut the triangular supports of the beam, adjust it to where I wanted (in my case a little neg camber) then weld it back up again.
stiffened up the shocks today, put the Rainsports back on the fronts now I know that the 888s clear the springs... went for a good old blat... rather impressed with how planted it feels.
at high speeds it feels like the tarmac is sucking you in, which is nice, and on the corners it is lovely and predictable leaving it totally to me what happens to the car :thumb:
having every rosejointed really makes the drive mega tight, sharp, and no give whatsoever
almost go as far as saying that i'm happy with how she feels at the moment :thumb:
EDIT/ADDED: took a pic or two too lol :D
Post these pics up :)
Good Work Olly :)
lol they're nothing interesting
fitted new headlight bulbs to 'ice white' ones because i hated my yellowy 'old car' ones, these are the ones that were fitted to my Corsa XE lol recycled tastic
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q...ure/nc1172.jpg
and fitted my new FIA MSA LED rainlight
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q...ure/nc1173.jpg
Good work.
Those alignment readout diagrams look pretty cool :cool:
Can see whats gone on/what they've changed.
looking good mate.Still waiting to see pic's of how clean the header tank came up after going through the dish washer lol.
Hang on when did you have a xe corsa???????/
Had its feeling and driving right.
I was gonna say that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Benn
Get some overall stance pics up now its all 'done' Ol!
Glad to hear it feels gooood :) Bet you'd beat that pesky Fiat now ;) lol
MSA FIA LED... must be good with all those abbreviations! lol
Glad its getting there Olz, trackday will tell you for sure :thumb:
dunno about the abbreviations, just copied/ pasted what the shop said :confused:
in deed - the Donny trackday will tell me alot more than Cadwell, having never visited Cadwell before.
Weather looks 'promising' providing the forecasts are correct, which they usually aren't lol
BBC says http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/images/...eday_sym/3.gif