Just chop an inch or two out of the depth of the sump Ol... it'll be fine :lol:
Or go dry sump.... ;)
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Just chop an inch or two out of the depth of the sump Ol... it'll be fine :lol:
Or go dry sump.... ;)
dry sump ftw
in my opinion and i have said this for funking years, olly is running his top mounts the right way and everyone else is wrong!!! i say this because if you run them so that the nipple bit sticks up then you dont get full adjustability which makes them pointless. which surely should ay to anyone they are supposed to go the same way as olly has them. any who i shall be running mine the same way as olly has them as thats how i beleave they shoudl go
You can get 2 different styles. Nipple up circlip down, nipple down circlip down. I had nipples up and circlips down and got full adjustment without cutting the strut tops.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgo
Pics of both are at the top of this link:
http://www.compbrake.co.uk/top_mounts3.htm
wasnt a dig at you lee :thumb:
was just a dig at the way imho the thread was going with so many people jumpin on the top mount band wagon! and takes away from what a work in progress thread is all about and goes off on a tangent lol
and your right it is just a discussion, and your opinion is as valid as any one elses i wasnt springing to his defence as i am sure he is more than capable of doing so if needed, just thought i would express my opinion i never once said it was ideal the way olly is running them and never said they were designed to be used as hes using them, but its just when people get fixated with something it seems to drag on needlessly! (just like i am doing lol)
just when people say 'oh your strut tops are upside down' like olly is unaware of it, :roll:
and 'cant believe the butchery thats going on with the top mounts' ffs they are only 70 quid there or there abouts, easy and cheap enough to by another set,
imho there are only a few threads on the board then are imformative and very interesting to everyone and this imho is one of them, keep up the good work olly :thumb:
i never knew there were two sorts. ive only ever seen them with the circlip on the flat sideQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick Draper
fair enough corsakid, like i say, i dont want to have this sort of tit for tat in someones project thread, its what i love about modding cars though, different solutions to probelms and unique cars at the end of it all:thumb:
if you open the turret out a bit , they fit just fine burgo
and olly, are you not gonna run into the same manifold issues lowering the whole car?
Group hug?
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You'd like that wouldn't you! :eek: :roll: lol
I meant lowing the car and the engine lol not one or the other lolQuote:
Originally Posted by lee303
i see lol , i meant you could gain the same effect by just lowering the engine, as the main mass at the front is the engine and box
Im just sat here wondering where this hobby stops being a hobby, and becomes an obsession lol
Lowering the engine? I know I was gutted when they stopped the Supertourers, but I didnt think we were going to actually re-create them!
Fuly carbon interiors and engines straddling the firewalls FTW! lol lol lol
'ace-media' that's AL iirc...
i just think it would be less work than having to replace wings, alter struts, change sprinsg and steering geometry etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Lee
oh, and mine became an obsession ages agolol
I'm with Lee on this one, mine is a healthy obsession too lol
I just like to tinker, and tell people about it - whether or not it makes a difference or not, its all research and development... tis what track cars are all about, having fun, changing bits and bobs - looking for improvements here there and everywhere :thumb:
Lee - it was a lot of hassle I suppose, but along with the lowering the COG, it was a personal gripe of mine with how much it was flying high in the sky, i love the low stance of a car, and with uprating the spring poundage anyway, should significantly help reduce the last bit of excess body roll I have...
Cadwell will be a tester for me, but it's at Donington where I aim to run the slicks and go for my PB lap, should the conditions, and number of cars on the track allow... it's open pit, so I will be able to pick and chose my times to go out and play :)
Lee - was going to PM you, but thought it'd be a good read for others aswell.
In regards to lowering the engine in the bay, how much would be deemed as "worth doing" if you get me, I mean, should it get lowered by 15mm, would that not be worth the effort... and at what point (do you feel) it becomes worth it? or is it a case of, anything is better than currently...
I read on a few pages back Rob (Span) mentioning it, and that got me thinking, he mentioned the gear linkages being an ar.se to sort out, but then I thought if I was to get a Quaife shifter and go direct to turret like yourself, the gear linkage problem would no longer be a problem?
Just thought I'd ask your opinion on the drop... :)
if you were to lower the engine you could always copy my manifold to help with the problem?
Is yours the 'up and over the gearbox' jobbie?
That'd help me significantly reduce the bayboy, wouldn't it lol
4inches anyone lol
yea it is, and you still have loads of room behind the engine, and because it came of a btcc car its perfect flow
Pics of your badboy ? lol
I shouldn't go down this route, it sounds expensive dagnabbit, you guys are fecking bad influences! :mad:
yea ill get a pic just have to find one on pb. but it wouldnt be expensive as you would have one to copy. then you could sell the manifold you got now
If you need better pics just ask
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...newnova012.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...newnova014.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...newnova008.jpg
and i've cum!
Do it do it do it!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by trackdaynova
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might need these then lol
http://scottdesignworks.com/portfoli...w_toro_blk.jpg
*Voice of reason*
DONT do it
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Adam - you have no grounds as to why you're telling me not to do it, so I couldn't give a foook what you say anyway. lol
James - you game?
yer baby! yer esp if i get to play with a manifold like that i love it!
OK cool - we'll whip the engine out after Donny trackday on 9th November, and play from there :D
Simply lowering the engine mounts would not be wise on a car of this ride height.
As it stands the driveshafts will be at a big angle.
Tilting the engine forwards while moving it back would be the perfect solution.
lol I think I'll wait until I've actually fixed the job in hand, and it works and handles the way I think it will before making any further plans, the previous statement was 100% tongue in cheek ;)
Fair enough
well, realisitcaly i dont have any referance points, but any drop is going to have an effect, i would think that at least 20mm would be needed before you get any really noticeable effects, but as its quite a large mass,it may be that less is noticeableQuote:
Originally Posted by trackdaynova
the nissan primera touring car is the best example i have ever seen, the engine is so low down the sump is less than 35mm from the floor, and they tilted it backwards too so the crank was rotating less than 6 inches from the drivers ankles, and they sit really far back in the car(another good cog/weight distribution trick, which some have already done, well, i have anywayslol ) just awesome cars the super tourers, and totally my inspiration for the nova
but they really did go to extremes in them days, remounting the floorpan further up inside the chassis to gain clearances etc, i know a guy who was involved in their development, and boy did they look for every last tenth, they even had the optimum window opening measurement for aero reasonslol
*edited because of my bad spelling!*
That manifold is crazy...although not the solution imo. What are the realistic chances of bottoming out on your average circuit?
It would just be a case of sticking with what you have and driving very carefully on the road imo...
OR go dry sump (which has fairly obvious benefits in itself - although squeezing all the gear in to a Nova bay would be a bit of a ****...) - then with the dry sump panel in place you could have a new manifold that sits really tight under it - maybe SBD Type C spec but with SLIGHTLY shorter primaries so that it sits that little bit tigher underneath...
Seems a lot of work to go for that crazy manifold - all the wiring / water hoses will need protecting from the heat, plus the bulkhead - and do you run an Astra / Cav internal shifter? Bet it won't clear that....
Correctamundo my big ginger friend :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Mazz
Lee - totally read and understood everything what you've said :thumb: it's a good base of inspiration you have, thats fo'sho' :D
Al - I love the way you say "dry sump it", in a throw away statement as if itc costs nothing lol I'm not about to go down that route.
As said - had my legs machined today elongating both holes on each strut, to give me the clearence I need on the bulgiest of tyres I'm ever going to run, no progress tonight (how slack!?), but they have been primered, ready for a lick'o'paint and lacquer tomorrow lol
So I'm going to roll with my current plans for now, do my two up and coming trackdays, and see how she does :D
Oh yes at least we can have a play i take it you will be booking another trackday for late nov and want it all done by then lollolQuote:
Originally Posted by trackdaynova
As for the progress Oliver what you been playing at not one pic? shame on you!
Do you really want a pic of my primered shock absorbers lol
I can't believe you need to ask.....no really i'll be fine did you get my txt earlier? The reply to yours?
Wellll you've come this far lolQuote:
Originally Posted by trackdaynova