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Manifold is £450, exhaust system from Simpson is S/S and is £1200 + vat, BTB wanted more, still waiting for T logic to get back to him. Why would you want a exhaust in gold when it weighs so much ? Inconel is probably double that if not more.
Right so if the only difference is the crank then as I originally said its a 10k plus engine as that IS how much it costs in parts. The 292 engine is over 15k built.
Dry sump kit installed is near to £2000 on its own with tank, hoses and fittings.
I think you have read the post correctly this thread is supposed to be about my build of my car and it seems it has turned into a slanging match of I'm right and your wrong and tbh I can't be chewed with the playground games anymore but thanks for the adviceQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonlem
seen this in the flesh, really does look the part. Be interesting to see what figures it ends up putting out when done but i agree with what a few people have been saying about a decent box, should make a lot more difference than a few extra bhp, especially after seeing what yours did to an F20 lol although i see your reasoning behind doing it the way you are, you can always fit a decent box later but skimping on engine parts is only ever gonna mean having to pull it apart again at some point
lmfao its advise by people who have done it before, this is your first big power xe so i would take advise from people who know rather than listen to people who just what you to buy parts off them (sbd) good luck though
Cheers Alan
Clearly were seeking advice off the wrong people lolQuote:
Originally Posted by corsakid
If Steve Broughton said all he needs is a head, cams and a remap to get 260hp then f**k me I'd of not bothered buying the Honda engine lol
The thing is without sbd or Swindon there would xe's at this level really and yes it my first High power xe but it's been ongoing for 3 years so I haven't done masses do and run for a turbo. Power wise it made over 260 current setup with different head so that's where I'm gonna start from againQuote:
Originally Posted by corsakid
What made over 260hp ?
exactly lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonlem
Again read the post please and I understand that people have advice and knowledge on this subject but theres a difference between helping and dictating as for the spec I wish it was just cams and head then I wouldn't have bought everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonlem
so 260 bhp on hydraulics :thumb: good one! all the best be watching with interest lol
The current engine before I had to revert to a standard head againQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonlem
surely youve just contradicted your selfQuote:
Originally Posted by Gareth_C
Thanks mate like I say from the advice I got from sbd last night it's what they cheersQuote:
Originally Posted by corsakid
I'm typing on a IPhone and it changes words mate there is a stor behind it. It got 263bhp but the head was highly skimmed and managed to get a soft spot on the head and leak through the gasket but it still a flat 13 quarter so because tptb was so close my only option was to fit a standard head an a re mapQuote:
Originally Posted by corsakid
Full spec, graphs and rollers it went on ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareth_C
Sorry to sound harsh but if that was on hydraulics then No way did it make anywhere near that.
Its all fine and well thinking that the costs I'm mentioning are ridiculous but they are from people who actually build reliable race engines, its typical of the internet for people to think they know better but in this case going off what your telling me you have been given bad information.
There are probably more people on there that would back you up than me but then they have probably have no experience in building or speccing such an engine where as I have been involved in a few and certainly have dealt with a few people that do it for a living so have more of a idea than most.
If you want anywhere near that power you will be paying some where near that or more for an exhaust manifold and system that works, get a quote off either Tony Law or BTB/SBD or if you want stainless Simpson or JP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareth_C
Steve
My opinion - build it and see, but im with the rest of them, although at first i was convinced this was going to be a monster of a build i must admit.
Like Jonlem said, provide evidence of your work, graph's of power. I never round my figures up to the nearest figure, that instantly shows you never had it RR'd, as you cant even remember the figure. I can remember every one of my dyno runs, the exact figures and operators notes, and i have all my graphs (except 1 i sold with my very last Nova) to prove.
Jonlem - Your sig is very appropiate!
em yes he has had it on a rr and it was tuned on there can't remember if we got a print out or not tho when i wen't with him + it made 195 on a standard head that prity much all that is holding this engine back at the moment + he been on the phone to people (that run some of the fastest cars in the seen ) and they say he on the right track to make it the bhp he really want so for now sit back shut your trap and let him prove you all so wrong watch this spaceQuote:
Originally Posted by db_1.2
You cant remember if you got a print out? What kind of a place was this?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny s-p
Most threads ive seen put the proof up without being asked anyway, just for good reading, and maybe even education of other forum users.
195 is good though, on a standard head, also believable. I managed 162 on a completely standard 20XE with just a rebuilt GM head.
well i dont no if he got one as he went in to the office to deal with the money side of things. but i do no he has print out for 260+ bhp off another tuner when the big valve head was on that i did not go to with himQuote:
Originally Posted by db_1.2
Fastest cars in the scene eh, in the willy waving pub talk bhp sort of scene or actual motorsport ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny s-p
He can prove me wrong all he likes, he has already back tracked several times and said its the same spec that SBD list for 270 hp which is 10k of anyones money.
I, unlike you are fully aware what it takes to get that power, clearly when the user starts quoting what I say about the costs of exhausts it shows he has NO idea what is involved in putting together such a package.
I'm not surfing the forums to start arguments with anyone and I have a massive interest in atmo engines and for that reason have done my homework on whats needed to build a proper one.
ps read my sig
Olly Hewitts engine was 197hp on a stock engine, jenvey tb's, ashley manifold and AST 1612 cams.Quote:
Originally Posted by db_1.2
That was on a REAL set of rollers I might add.
vauxhall seen mate read the sig think it canny funny to be true . but we took advise of some people that he trust but you lot just keep going on at him so y not just say ok not how i wood do it but let see your way. just remember most the work is done by him and it his pride and joy how hard wood you defend/feel if its your pride and joy some one was rip it to pieces on a formQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonlem
Seems about right from what ive seen. Theres a lot of other contributing factors other than the basics of the engine also, as we all know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonlem
It would be impressive to see a 275bhp C20xe built on a budget. But how reliable will it be, dont forget Eff=1-CR^(1-k)
gareths was on a reall set roller to for total vauxhall shoot out the problem was the map was all over the place we don't no y but it will be sorted soonQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonlem
What issue is it in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny s-p
Also, i like your comment about him building it himself, and being his pride. I always respect that and always enjoy reading a thread much more.
I think everybody is just trying to say his goals are optimistic. No need to get all Jacky Chan on us!
i don't mean it to come out like that but it just seams every one just have a dig at him for what he try to achieve and best ask him that i think he asked duggie when it will be out was a good day and a few people said on that day it the head and map holding it backQuote:
Originally Posted by db_1.2
Think about mate look who made the post before you jump inQuote:
Originally Posted by db_1.2
lolok guys im a bit done with the negative critisim really its a wip thred not a disscussion thread and yes I have a RR print out. But it seems like you are all BIG experts lets see your big power RR prinouts from N/A xe's please as Im not trying to prove anything and seem to, either that or you all have small man syndrome lol
on a more positive note I have been and picked up my new wings from being made and im really happy with them:
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They have widened by 30mm just enought to fit my tyres snuggly under the arches.
Cheers
Are they metal or fiberglass?
Nice paintwork
there gay lol joking we fitting them on satday
there metal mate I didnt want the fibreglass ones as they are 100mm extra on each side:thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mieran
only if you and snowdon swear not to scratch them when going past the car :cry: :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny s-p
who made them?
are going to be running low offset or spacers?
What about the back?
em em all try now i need som help so am going to call youQuote:
Originally Posted by Gareth_C
Im running spacers at present with me having Et46mm wheels with 205 R88's on avo dont mix on standard arch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mieran
The back are staying standard due to they dont need widening.
A friend on mine made them for me :thumb:
im hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Danny s-p
**** me, all the tuning gods of the world have descended onto this thread, how very nice of them eh, Gareth. Maybe I'm biased as I've helped on this car build too (cleaning spanners is a hard job) but it would be nice if people would just step the **** back and watch this build hit its target as Gareth wont stop til he hits his mark, trust me, I've been unlucky enough to know this lad since I was 13 ish :( lol
Wings are looking nice by the way Mr.Monobrow :thumb: