All this talk of flywheels, I believe an 1800 8v flywheel will mate a smallblock motor to a big block box.
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All this talk of flywheels, I believe an 1800 8v flywheel will mate a smallblock motor to a big block box.
lol using which clutch?Quote:
Originally Posted by craig green
Like I said, Id try your standard flywheel, with your existing pressure plate and take your friction plate down to your local factors. So long as the friction material is the same thickness youll be fine.
That said Id probably use a nova gsi flywheel which is the same pattern but flat and lighter.
Alistair, do you know if the input shafts on a F20 and a F13/F15 are the same then ?
And ditto on the flywheel
I posted the clutch splines on page 191..
The F20 input shaft is 20.5mm diameter with 14 splines. The C16xe flywheel and pressure plate are for a 200mm diameter friction plate. The 1.7TD has a 200mm diameter friction plate and the same spline pattern as te F20 box. Being vauxhall Id wager the thickness of the friction material will be the same.Quote:
C16xe - 200 x 18 x 14
C20xe - 228 x 20.5 x 24
Mk2 astra 1.7TD - 200 x 20.5 x 24.................
C20LET - 228 x 24 x 14 (shared with the astra 2.2 and 1.8 (F23))
I would now usually add the 007 smylee for that !
Totally missed that post, good info Ali ;)
Thanks for your help and the information chaps its much appreciated - i will certainly give the TD friction plate a try.
I will also have a hunt for a nova GSI flywheel, has anyone got one?
1.7 TD clutch ordered lol
So i've had a little time on the nova today but it was only a little time as i had a cv joint to change on my passat. I picked up some cheap corsa vxr parts during the week (consisting of 3 corsa vxr pistons and con rods the 4th is funked, one corsa vxr inlet manifold with injectors and rail, and one corsa vxr turbo)
I know i mentioned before that i would be using custom inlet and exhaust but for the time being these bits are easier, quicker and cheaper as i really want to get this car sorted and have limited time due to living so far away from it - should still see 200bhp though!
Any way some pics
the pistons
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...00turbo001.jpg
Small
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...00turbo002.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...00turbo003.jpg
Here is the vxr piston compared to the original xe item, xe's on the right
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...00turbo013.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...00turbo014.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...00turbo015.jpg
Here's the inlet - unfortunately it's not a straight fit as the holes don't line up for the mounting bolts and it would mean loosing the water ways for the heaters etc so i'm not sure if i will use it. even if i don't its no great loss.
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...00turbo011.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...00turbo012.jpg
And finally here is the turbo which, does fit a treat all the mounting holes are the same! However there are still a couple of issues that need sorting.
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...00turbo009.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...00turbo004.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...00turbo006.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...00turbo007.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...00turbo005.jpg
Issue one - using the standard inlet for the comp cover means space is limited for the top rad hose and the inlet points up into the air and to no were useful
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...00turbo010.jpg
Issue two - the oil filter is directly in the way of the exhaust out let again nothing major (and i wouls have had to move it for the other turbo anyway) so i will need a filter relocation kit.
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...00turbo008.jpg
So all in all i'm happy with what i have to work with now, i just need to sort the inlet (it could have to be be custom after all) and move the filter.
Onwards!
PS i have the clutch now so i will try that tomorrow if i get time :thumb:
So does the inlet not line up at all???
All of the actual inlet holes line up and i could re fiddle the bolt holes with some machining but i don't know if i can be arsed lol i would also have to sort out the lack of water way issues as well, like i said i will see how much work it actually needs and go from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam
Nice ic cut out.
No were near finished yet mate along with 100 other things lol, i may even finish that off tomorrow also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benn
Good to see some progress mate. Always good to use as much "off the shelf" items too.
what a shame the inlet dosnt fit very well, i thought the oil filter would have to be move but forgot to say.
you put squirter in the block or just leaving as is mate ???
good to see some progress !
without reading your whole thread.. are you turbo charging a 1.6 16v small block?
if so what do you plan to run for your internal components? i plan to turbo a x18xe1 for my nova build. bottom ends are very similar, would be interesting to read what you plan
I'm happy to see something happening with it too, the off the shelf parts should speed the process somewhat and they were much cheaper too :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Simps
The inlet is a pain as it would have been perfect but thats life it may work but its probably too much hassle. i think the oil squirter's would be a good idea, do you know what your mate would charge roughly?Quote:
Originally Posted by djbrowney
The oil filter isn't an issue really as it would have needed relocating either way plus it gives another option for the oil feed for the turbo, as you can get remote oil filter kits with multiple sensor ports in them as i'm sure your aware.
I'm afraid i can't answer your question until you sit down and read the whole thread this very minute. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by elgan
Seriously though yes i am turbo charging a 1.6 16v small block, for the internal engine components i'm using standard crank, corsa vxr pistons and rods (photo's on the previous page) standard head and cams with corsa vxr turbo and some sort of home made inlet at this point :)
Brownie get jay to make you a inlet for it fpmsl
i would rather eat razer blades lol
This is so true! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Simps
Slightly on and off topic: the BMW 316i we have will receive a decent engine when the 1600 8v (200k+ miles and still not burning any oil!) finally expires. Some research has proven that Beemer engines and ancillaries are nice and modular - an M62B44 (that's a 286bhp 32v 4.4 litre V8 from a 540i) is less bother to fit than a LET with a F28 tranny in a Nova.
...anyway, keep sharing the VXR parts interchangability (nice word) knowledge with us mister Count!
Cheers,
Niek
P.S. subscribed! :thumb::thumb::thumb:
excellent project i forgot to add earlier
i know the meriva vxr is largely based on the 1.8 engine, although 1600cc.
the 1.6 rods will go into the 1.8engine and pistons too.
i read they sell the corsa vxr pistons in 3 sizes, but i doubt big enough to go in the std 1800 bore?
after reading about your vxr turbo fitment, i will get a 1.6 and 1.8 small block exhaust manifold gasket up tomorrow to compare ;)
A vxr turbo will fit the 1.8 head as it has the same exhaust ports afaik.
Pretty sure Lee303 on Mig uses his old 1600 16v 4-2-1 manifold on his 1800 now
Indeed. I thought the gaskets were used for reference a few pages back in this thread..?
IRC little end's are different size between vxr lump(19mm) and 1800/x16xe (18mm)Quote:
Originally Posted by elgan
exhaust manifold will bolt on to 1800 but need to slot bottom stud holes.
would be ok with corsa vxr rods too?
your the second person to confirm that gary, sweet.
whats the size of a corsa vxr std piston CVA?
not a direct fit tho.. needs moving about..Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam
We i didn't get anywhere close to actually working on the car today :mad: although the clutch seems like it will work, it fits the standard flywheel and pressure plate.
don't know if they'll do the right size,Quote:
Originally Posted by elgan
but the compression height will be all wrong because the 1.8 has a low compression height to make room for the extra stroke, so won't work.
All looking good as usual, turbos a bit of a faff, but workable and like you say, the inlet is no great loss anyway. I do wonder if the vxr head would swap over too tho.
Glad the plate fits, just need to bolt it up with the box and check it releases but I dont forsee any problems.
VXR rods look nice and chunky compared to the 16xe ones!
Quote:
Originally Posted by nova_niek
The are modular, but the V8 is mounted upright and all the inline engines inlcined. Therefore you need a v8 box to go with the engine and manual V8 boxes are like hens teeth.
AFAIk the engine and box go in easy enough, but the steering column touches one of the manifolds on rhd cars and the brake servo is hellish tight too. Certainly a workable conversion though.
hello mate looking good with the bits you have got,did you get intouch with the guy who does the inlets
No mate i haven't as yet due to a lack of fundage for a change.
Does anyone know what throttle body would be best to use? original 16xe or 20xe etc?
well a cav/vectra v6 would be to big but a 2.0 8v would probaly be good !
My mates e16se 8v turbo use's a golf mk3 2L 8v TB (IIRC)Quote:
Originally Posted by Count Vaux Alot
Scott
Bit of an update - i decided to hybrid the vxr turbo as i had some spare time at work in the week heres a quick sneek peek of the comp cover on the lathe, more to follow when i have some better pics :thumb:
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...a/DSC00597.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...a/DSC00598.jpg
can you do that to mine when i get it hehe lol pretty please
Its handy when you can do stuff like that yourself! :cool:
I told you i could sort you a turbo out i'm sure i could do the same for an upgrade at a reasonable cost :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by djbrowney
Anyway as promised here is a few more pics of the upgrade - as luck should have it we were taking a few compressor covers to be machine bead polished for work so i slipped mine in just for good measure and fook me did it come out well!
The polished finish is achieved by the high frequency vibration of stainless steel beads apparently - no messy buffing involved Benn! I did do some prep on the casting before hand although they do turn out well with out and pre at all.
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010054.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010053.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010055.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010057.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010058.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010060.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010061.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010062.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010082.jpg
Now the shiny bits are out the way here are some details on the upgrade:
Basically i have gone for a simple compressor wheel upgrade allowing for more mid range torque and a bit more at the top end as well as the obvious power increase that a higher flowing comp wheel offers.
Another beneficial factor is i could achieved the same power as a standard vxr with lower boost pressure due to the increased ability of the new comp wheel over the standard wheel, or more power at the same boost pressure :D
Here is the standard vxr compressor wheel, its a fairly new design of wheel with a cut back skirt and is capable of flowing 190 bhp easily and 220 bhp at its upper limits
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010064.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010068.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010071.jpg
And here is the upgraded comp wheel - its basically and audi TT 225 bhp wheel so its well capable of flowing 225 bhp and would probably see 300 bhp with higher boost
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010065.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010069.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010070.jpg
To put things in to perspective here are the two compressor wheels side by side, vxr on the left TT on the right
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010066.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010067.jpg
Its clear to see by eye how much larger the TT wheel is
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010072.jpg
To finish the upgrade some material needs to be removed from the back plate to accommodate the new larger TT wheel, the shiny ring in the inner circle is were the material was removed from.
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010073.jpg
vxr comp wheel
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010074.jpg
TT comp wheel
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010075.jpg
Here is the vxr wheel in the compressor cover, you can see how much the compressor cover inlet has been enlarged to fit the TT wheel.
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010078.jpg
An the new larger TT wheel nice and snug
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010079.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ksy2010076.jpg
Looks very pretty, i've seen stuff polished in that way before.. Sadly its not something you can do at home..