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If thats the case then i will give the standard cams a go (like i said i need to speak to some one who actually knows - i'm not implying that you don't btw :))Quote:
Originally Posted by alistairolsen
Does anyone know were i can aquire a spec sheet for this engine from? thats if such things exist?
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Originally Posted by Count Vaux Alot
What sort of spec's do you need to know ?
What's your engine from - x16xe or x16xel???
I'll have a look at work tomorrow
Dave
ok am i having a brain fart here, are you turboing this 1.6 16v as im planing to do exactly the same sometime soon lol
x16xe and anything you can get your hands on lolQuote:
Originally Posted by fearless
Yes i'm turboing the 1.6 16v -i'm guessing brain fart means a :tard: moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by djbrowney
It would be interesting to here what your plans are?
Well after last nights celebrations i didn't feel like complete death so i decided i would actually get on with something! As i've got loads of engine bits lying around i needed some were to put them all, so i thought why not clear up a bit and use my work bench for something other that piling sh!t on.
After several hours of moving bits around i was going no were fast although i did finally get my new old drill/mill into its new position (it was kindly donated to me by my boss result)
here she is
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ntpanel001.jpg
And the bench after much 'tidying' lol
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ntpanel002.jpg
Once i was finished fafing about i did get on with something productive - the front panel modifications.
I cut some steel to shape to fill the hole in the front panel and taked it into position
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ntpanel004.jpg
once happy with its position i welded it home
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ntpanel010.jpg
i haven't done any welding in ages but i didn't come out to badly, hopefully finish this off tomorrow :thumb:
standard crankQuote:
Originally Posted by Count Vaux Alot
steel rods
corsa vxr pistons (with machined inserts because the gudgen pin is bigger)
head studs
cometic gasket
standard head
standard cams
corsa vxr turbo
manzle powerbox inlet
going to use my emerald from my track car because it has the three stage map system :thumb:
im fairly sure the turbo will fit but i still waiting to find out :thumb:
standard crank - same as meQuote:
Originally Posted by djbrowney
steel rods - same as me (i assume the crank is different in the corsa vxr so the vxr rods would not fit the 16xe crank??)
corsa vxr pistons (with machined inserts because the gudgen pin is bigger) - are these cheaper/easier to use that omega style pistons? what reason are you using the vxr pistons over standard? lower comp ratio?
head studs - arp?
cometic gasket - same as me
standard head - same as me
standard cams - same as me
corsa vxr turbo - i'm not sure if the spacings on the head ports are the same across both engines? but i'm using a custom tubular manifold and a upgraded T25 for cost reasons.
manzle powerbox inlet - i'm going to go custom here too.
Not sure what variety of management i'm going to use yet?
i doubt i will ever see a vxr crank for sale so will stick with the rods to suit the one 16xe crank and have the rods adapted to suit the pistonsQuote:
Originally Posted by Count Vaux Alot
yes arp head studs
vxr pistons to lower the c/r and there about £200 new from auto vaux and come in 2 or 3 differnt sizes lol
i may yet end up with a custom manifold being as a good mate makes them lol if so it will get a gt28 ftw :thumb:
I wasn't on about the crank from the vxr i meant the rods, i just wondered if you knew if they were available at reasonable cost? and if they would fit the 16xe crank?Quote:
Originally Posted by djbrowney
Have you spoken to anyone about the machined inserts for the pistons yet? I will go in with you if you don't mind? might even lower the cost having a few more done?
I'm going to get the bits from Gav for the manifold when funds allow and have a crack at it myself, what are you using the engine for?
when i enquired about the rods they reckoned they were £90 but couldnt state whether they were for a set of 4 or just 1 (but they did say they always some in sets of 4 :thumb: )Quote:
Originally Posted by Count Vaux Alot
Gaz-d (andy who drives the purple corsa) has said he can get it done at his work reckons people do it all the time apparanlty :tard: his work is spot on he is doing the head for my let at the minute. Im plannig on using this engine in my everyday road car with my leather and a let in my track car :thumb:
The parts for your manifold will come from me aswell lol
I knew you and gav were in it together (its not like your sig gives it away either lol) are you going to try the vxr rods or just H beam steel rods like i was on about when you suggested steve?Quote:
Originally Posted by djbrowney
Would you be happy to get 8 inserts machined and i pay for 4 of them?
What sort of power are you aiming for?
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Originally Posted by Count Vaux Alot
A little bit of bedtime reading for you James :thumb:
Spec for a 96 Corsa B
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...6xe_spec_1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...6xe_spec_2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...6xe_spec_3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...6xe_spec_4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...6xe_spec_5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...6xe_spec_6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...6xe_spec_7.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...6xe_spec_8.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...6xe_spec_9.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...xe_spec_10.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...xe_spec_11.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...xe_spec_12.jpg
Enjoy ;)
Dave
have you photocopied that fearless wondered if it is possible to get hold of one for the corsa vxr engine ?:thumb:
Printed the info off at work then scanned them all in
If I get chance on Monday - I'll try and do the same with the Corsa VXR engine
Jim, i pulled you can f20 out but the diff plates been off so there's no gasket on it, do you still want it? (you can still buy them)
that would be very helpfull cheers mate :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by fearless
Dave thank you very much that is extremely helpful + rep and your a top man for you efforts, i o u favour!
I too would be very interested in the corsa VXR data if you have the time (then it will be two favours lol)
Benn yes mate i still want it the gaskets not an issue cheers
Ok dude, give me a bit as i cant move much at the mo and i'll pull it out for you.
Corsa vxr turbo does fit afaik, exhaust side of the head is identical to c/x16xe
im going to have a corsa vxr turbo for sale soon as im upgrading mine. want £350 for it as its only done 2120 miles lol. its got a -31 actuator on it as well.
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Originally Posted by djbrowney
A few more specs to study - this time the Corsa VXR engine :thumb:
I'll be testing you all at the end of the week lol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...vxr_spec_1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...vxr_spec_2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...vxr_spec_3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...vxr_spec_4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...vxr_spec_5.jpg
Cheers Chris but i'm sticking with my original plan for the time being, perhaps Mr Browney might be more interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisnovaturbo
Bit of an update for you tonight boys and girls - after stripping the engine last week (whilst back at home) i decided i would bring a few bits back down south with me for a proper clean up at work.
Unfortunately due to my phone cameras inability to take photos i have no before pics but i'm sure as you all frequent a nova forum you can imagine what sh!t and corruption was stuck to them.
Anyway here is the end result just a few bits that were easy to take with me and clean - degrease, hot wash, shot blast.
Sump
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...rebuild004.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...rebuild002.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...rebuild003.jpg
Inlet, possibly the basis for a custom manifold
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...rebuild006.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...rebuild005.jpg
Ali come up really well
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...rebuild007.jpg
Rack mounts
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...rebuild009.jpg
Alt mounting bracket, thermostat, head water way
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...rebuild008.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...rebuild012.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...rebuild013.jpg
And some other brackets
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...rebuild014.jpg
And the cam cover which i shot blasted by hand (the breather was sealer with tape first so shot would not get in) - the water marks are from a final hot wash i gave it after blowing it out etc to make sure there was no shot etc left at all.
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...rebuild016.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...rebuild017.jpg
Mmmmm clean :thumb:
Good work James, it only takes time to make things look nice like that, not money. I like your style.
What media are you using to do all that ?
Cheers again Dave
Cheers JB although these parts are only a small selection of the bits that need cleaning they are part of the bigger picture, i feel cleanliness is important in this situation (some of you may just feel i'm being bufty but no engine builder in their right mind would be knee deep in sh!t when building an engine) so i try to be as clean as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonlem
For the cast bits i used stainless steel shot its reasonably fine but quite abbrasive and is applied via a blast machine, for the cam cover i used very fine sand applied via a hand shot cabinet it takes ages but is much less abrasive.
Those shot blasted bits look well. Very nice
I did an xe thermostat housing that was completely fooked just to see what it came out like, its come up well but is heavily pitted were the ali had been eaten
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...rebuild010.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...rebuild011.jpg
Nice one mate, really does look great and I totally agree about building engines that aren't covered in 5hit !
i could be interested but they are only £500 new ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisnovaturbo
dave thanks very much for the data :thumb:
From what i can understand, the vxr rods will fit the xe crank so i think i will be going the standard rod route for me :thumb:
what gear box were you planing on running ???
you just sticking to na now ??? :confused:
NA?? no mate i'm using a upgraded T25 (very similar spec to the gt25r - i can supply full spec if your interested) and if the rods and pistons from the vxr fit with little hassle i will be using them also, as for the box i was thinking f20 as its the simplest box to fit that can handle the most torque - i don't know how the f15 would cope and its a bit of a grey area in that most peoples opinion is just try it and see how long it takes for you to funk it (although i would ideally love a small block sccr but i can't justify spending the ££ atm) what box are you using?Quote:
Originally Posted by djbrowney
f20 will cope fine
Why would you want an SCCR box on a turbocharged car? Unless youre buying new with custom ratios?
oh i need to read things properley lol i spoke to auto vaux today the pistons are £220 plus the vat mate :cool: if i cant find a strong small block box i will use an f28 it has been done before iirc :confused: when are you planning on collecting and building your engine ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Count Vaux Alot
why wouldnt you want to ??? :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by alistairolsen
Unless your on a big turbo a sccr would actually be useless.
Most sccr kits have a tiny drop off in revs and on a small turbo that will mean your always out of the powerband, the same could be said for a NA engine too IMO.
There great on engines with a peaky powerband though wether it be FI or NA
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Originally Posted by Jonlem
Apart from the obvious loss in top end speed, the f20 sccr box worked well on shaun larnders old yellow nova. Was certainly a little quicker up to say 80/90 than mine on f28.
You have to remember there are LOADS of ratios available for that box, I would personally like to see 2 identical nova lets, one with a F28 and one with a sccr to prove which is better as from what I have seen they do not suit the powerband a KKK gives a let engine, fair enough if its on a bigger turbo though but I think the gearing on a F28 is just about spot on for a let.