Iain's 20XE Trackday Nova

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02-01-11, 04:49 PM
Andy

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Originally Posted by Iain

Quiet Andy lol Coolant and exhaust aren't fatal to engine internals

Yep it's some good progress so pretty chuffed :d

I know i was only messing lol
Well done mate,hearing them fire up 1st time is always a good feeling.Whether they sound like monster trucks or not lol
02-01-11, 04:58 PM
Adam

Spud, your cranking speed would be miles lower than Lion's due to him having no engine compression, lack of spark plugs,Lol.
So would be less likely for your light to go out when cranking.

Good stuff Iain, nice to hear it fire up. Good oil pressure on the gauge when it ran???
02-01-11, 05:01 PM
Iain

Gauge is broke from when I made the clocks smoke lol
02-01-11, 05:02 PM
Adam

lol lol
02-01-11, 06:04 PM
Mieran

Those exhaust rubbers are a ******* to fit lol, they are solid!
02-01-11, 06:15 PM
John

good stuff iain! Check the comment on your youtube vid lol
02-01-11, 06:20 PM
Iain

lol
02-01-11, 06:45 PM
burgo

congrats on the start up hunny, i cant remember without looking how in depth your rebuild went but if there is new rings in there dont be tempted to keep firing it up and having it running without first braking the rings in properly first
02-01-11, 07:44 PM
Spudly

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Originally Posted by John H

good stuff iain! Check the comment on your youtube vid lol

Is you johnnynova then lol

Lmfao at *****p's comment aswell :p
02-01-11, 08:03 PM
Benn

About time it's running.
02-01-11, 08:04 PM
John

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spudly

Is you johnnynova then lol

Lmfao at *****p's comment aswell :p

lol lol
02-01-11, 08:53 PM
Iain

Quote:

Originally Posted by burgo

congrats on the start up hunny, i cant remember without looking how in depth your rebuild went but if there is new rings in there dont be tempted to keep firing it up and having it running without first braking the rings in properly first

Got given a 'cheat sheet' from Autosprint regarding first starts, it says to run it at fast idle (2000rpm) for 10 minutes while checking for leaks, then drop the oil and filter. So plan was to get exhaust modified and fitted, fill up the cooling system and follow this procedure. Then it can be driven to an MOT giving it some load etc to bed the rings in.
02-01-11, 10:00 PM
L14MNP

Scrote-tastic. :)

Not long now! Text me before you just turn up randomly in it though mate. :thumb:
02-01-11, 11:41 PM
Connor

Can i have a passenger ride in this once its MOT'd pwettttttty pleeease :)
Its come along way since last time i checked up on this.
Well done Iain, great work as usual :thumb:
02-01-11, 11:57 PM
Adam

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iain

Got given a 'cheat sheet' from Autosprint regarding first starts, it says to run it at fast idle (2000rpm) for 10 minutes while checking for leaks, then drop the oil and filter. So plan was to get exhaust modified and fitted, fill up the cooling system and follow this procedure. Then it can be driven to an MOT giving it some load etc to bed the rings in.

Depends who you "believe"

A LOT of people just go for the put it under load and plenty of over-run (vacuum to pull the rings into the cylinder walls) method.

Being a bit too "pansy" with it can cause early wear
03-01-11, 12:04 AM
AlexW

As you say it depends who you listen to, Most engine builders say to "bed it in" how your going to use it, Something that is a Must on tractors!

I've always done the warm it up under little load, then load it right up and done no engine braking.

I wouldn't suggest leaving it idling but with Iains build its a bit of a pain if not.
03-01-11, 01:42 PM
Mazz

Tina's engine running-in process was done the M6/M1 on the way to Billing lol
03-01-11, 01:47 PM
General Baxter

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Originally Posted by AlexW

As you say it depends who you listen to, Most engine builders say to "bed it in" how your going to use it, Something that is a Must on tractors!

so off the limiter everywhere for 400miles lol
03-01-11, 05:28 PM
Benn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam

Depends who you "believe"

A LOT of people just go for the put it under load and plenty of over-run (vacuum to pull the rings into the cylinder walls) method.

Being a bit too "pansy" with it can cause early wear

See i followed the 50miles and really low rpm, then 250 at under 4k sh*te way, the engine was a bag of utter crap (badly built anyway and not by me)

Think next time i'll try and 10min and 2k then power on way next time..

Quote:

Originally Posted by General Baxter

so off the limiter everywhere for 400miles lol

While looking behind you at the queue and smiling...
15-01-11, 05:33 PM
Iain

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15-01-11, 05:34 PM
Iain

Well here's some pics of what I've been up to recently.

Got the right XE coolant pipe to suit the silicone hoses. For anyone fitting Roose XE silicone hose kit, THIS is the pipe you need (not the one that has one on the back and one on the side):

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/214.JPG

Finding a 28k Nova in the scrappy meant I got myself an almost-new header tank, I'm sure you'll all be pleased judging by the uproar from the dirty header tank pic lol

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/215.JPG

Cooling system in the bay finished:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/216.JPG

T-piece is a messy bodge IMO, not too keen on it, but it'll do for now:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/217.JPG

Here's how I'm mounting the header tank as I boxed over the original screw hole. Cut down the tab and used a rivnut, pro job lol

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/218.JPG

Nova Ian sold me some dodgy goods (OK so they were free but still dodgy lol), fuel line was leaking and the gaffa tape wasn't up to the job of fixing it:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/219.JPG

So whipped these bad boys out of an Ecotec at the scrappy and fitted some barbed 8mm joiners:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/220.JPG

Extended to the right length, now has fuel clamps on the joiners too btw:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/221.JPG

Fitted up:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/222.JPG

And joined to my 8mm ID plastic lines under the car:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/223.JPG
15-01-11, 05:35 PM
Iain

On to the killswitch, earthed one side of the '1' using the supplied resistor:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/224.JPG

And looped a +ve back to the other side of the '1'. Not going to bother with the '2' side I don't think, as this will currently immobilise the ECU and cut spark (I think?):

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/225.JPG

Next job was sort the wiper linkage, it was sitting too 'vertical' which meant the wiper sat at an angle and scraped the tabs on the side against the screen. Not good.

Smashed the linkage with a hammer (literally) to get it to sit a bit better:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/226.JPG

This corner is right up at the scuttle now:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/227.JPG

Straight wiper arm and 18" GM blade:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/228.JPG

Wiper arm is actually a Citroen ZX straight arm, shortened with a Nova end welded on:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/229.JPG

Sits at a better angle now and causes me no problems:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/230.JPG

Brap brap, looks terrible but it'll do:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/231.JPG

Next up, redoing things I thought were sorted. I bought cheap balljoints and track rod ends from my local motor factors (£5 each or there abouts). Black and orange box, made by 'CD' I think, I will never buy these parts again!

Well the car hasn't moved an inch and look at the state of these boots! Bottom balljoint:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/232.JPG

Track rod end:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/233.JPG
15-01-11, 05:37 PM
Iain

So I'm replacing them with better quality (I hope) QH parts. New bottom balljoints:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/234.JPG

And TRE's already fitted, QH ones again:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/235.JPG

And what I'm working on at the moment, a cut down heater matrix:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/236.JPG
15-01-11, 05:48 PM
peester

funny with the ball joints / tca's..
good work lionel.
15-01-11, 06:39 PM
Mazz

Holy sh!t batman! Spaghetti junction :) but +1 for soldering and heatshrinking, only way to do it imo..

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/225.JPG
15-01-11, 06:41 PM
scott.parker

Weird how them joint boots have rotted so badly! shows how cheep they are though..

As for the T section the only other way to make it neater is to get it as close to the rad outlet as possible and keep the jubilee clips turn underneath out of sight, but I'm afraid theres not many other ways to do it, as you need the feed to the inlet manifold, i don't think its wise to block it of like some do IMO.

But that aside mate, nice update and its coming on well now..

Scott
15-01-11, 06:45 PM
Adam

The t-piece isnt needed. Just block off the 8mm pipe from the inlet.

Good work Iain, getting closer.
15-01-11, 06:47 PM
John

Good progress chap! Iirc jonlem posted a pic once of the water hose t'd into one of the heater matrix pipes. Looked a lot neater imo.
15-01-11, 06:53 PM
scott.parker

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Originally Posted by Adam

The t-piece isnt needed. Just block off the 8mm pipe from the inlet.

Good work Iain, getting closer.

But surly mate if there was no need for the water system to flow through the inlet then GM would not of made it too, and the SBD inlet has it too, so i fitted it into it.

Scott
15-01-11, 06:57 PM
Iain

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mazz

Holy sh!t batman! Spaghetti junction :) but +1 for soldering and heatshrinking, only way to do it imo..

I know it's mental ain't it. They're the feeds for the starter, car loom, engine loom and a few aftermarket relays...

Sorry they're normal insulated crimp terminals but with heatshrink over the top :( (Except the battery and starter motor wires which are non-insulated but still crimped).

Meh its not the end of the world re. the t-piece, it's in now just think it could be neater.
15-01-11, 07:02 PM
peester

yeah was gonna say - theyre crimps not solder.. solder tends to be a bit brittle..
You want a twin ported header for the t-piece situation. I also have a similar t-piece bodge on my return; but ive got a twin port header now so sorting that out soon myself.
15-01-11, 07:17 PM
Mazz

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Originally Posted by Iain

Sorry they're normal insulated crimp terminals but with heatshrink over the top :(

Grrrr :mad:

Well in that case i'm gonna have to -rep you to balance out the +rep i gave out...
15-01-11, 07:21 PM
Paul

Im not a fan of any fuel pipes being joined in the engine bay to be honest. Other than that good work.
15-01-11, 07:27 PM
Iain

Too late Mazz mu ha ha

Paul all the standard Nova lines join in the bay don't they? TBH these barbed connectors are awesome, I can pull on them with my entire bodyweight and they won't pull come off (and thats with no clamps on!)
15-01-11, 07:30 PM
Paul

I always have fuel lines made up that join under the car to the hard pipes.
15-01-11, 07:32 PM
Mazz

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Originally Posted by Iain

Too late Mazz mu ha ha

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15-01-11, 07:46 PM
Adam

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott.parker

But surly mate if there was no need for the water system to flow through the inlet then GM would not of made it too, and the SBD inlet has it too, so i fitted it into it.

Scott

I agree entirely mate, its there for a reason.
But ive never had it t'eed on mine, and my engine doesnt really see many "quiet" days, well back in the day when it was actually used lol

And ive had no issues about it
15-01-11, 07:50 PM
Benn

Good work, Keep the water outlet from the inlet manifold as its ment to be there. Fuel lines look good.
16-01-11, 05:14 PM
Iain

On with my heater matrix assembly. Cable tie through the fins keeps the matrix in the housing:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/237.JPG

Handily uses the 2 threads already there to keep it on (although one of these sheared off today so hoping it can stay up on just one bolt...)

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/238.JPG

Drivers side hits inlet manifold as expected:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/239.JPG

So chopped a bit off:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/240.JPG

Hoses connect up fine and doesn't look like it'll rub on the manifold too bad:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/241.JPG

Hmm need a blower here...

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/242.JPG

Ah ha! Got an idea. Take one scrap Nova and chopy chopy:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/243.JPG

Shape, flatten, weld, paint and we get this:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/244.JPG

Wahey a small self contained matrix/3 speed fan weighing 2.8kg (dry):

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/245.JPG
16-01-11, 05:16 PM
Iain

Dashboard... Mockup dash shows where I need to chop (remove sides for rollcage and extend column hole for more clearance)

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/246.JPG

Nice black dash:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/247.JPG

Chop chop:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/248.JPG

Just needs a bit of touch up paint and it's good to go:

http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2a/249.JPG

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