good to hear, mr count.
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good to hear, mr count.
Good luck with phase 2 of the build James, I'am sure it will be awesome !
Your down with the legends now, we'll find you a nice engine to play with.
pm'd Benn :)
And sent back.
Right then people the time has come to announce 'phase two' as JB put it of my build.
After some long hard thinking I have decided to take a completely different approach engine wise (and to the whole build to be fair).
As for the car its self i still have the shell, custom suspension parts, poly carbs etc but most of the other expensive parts have gone so i will be rebuilding on more of a budget lol when i have the funds.
So the engine....yes i am going small block but for a few good reasons, this isn't the usual small block affair, i'm going to try turbo power (as i'm working for a turbo company now it would be rude not to), my theory behind this being small block weight and handling, turbo boost, but i should be able to achieve similar power to a well tuned xe on bodies or a standard/mildly tuned let.
Plans at present are stand alone management, custom inlet and exhaust manifolds, lowered compression ratio, and a hybrid turbo. I will probably opt for an F20 box and shafts for the moment as i'm unsure if the small block boxes will cope with the output?
The hybrid turbo will consist of T2 turbine housing from an old landrover of all things as it has the AR (air ratio) im after, T25 comp cover and bearing housing probably from a nissan s14 200sx, but with a modern upgraded compressor wheel.
I have opted for this turbo option as it will be well capable of coping with the power output i'm after (200bhp plus) but should also be progressive power. It will also be more 'cost effective' if it all goes t i t s up (were as a ball bearing turbo wouldn't be as they expensive if things go wrong)
Turboing this engine properly is quite a 'gray' area as it hasn't been done to many times so this is going to be a suck it and see mission although saying that the basic rules of turboing still apply.
Your thoughts and opinions are welcome as usual and i hope to actually get on with something when i'm home next!
Thanks you :thumb:
get it done :)
As simple as that lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Gsi_Jimbo
yup lol
sounds like a very interesting spec Btw 200Bhp from a Small block would be one to look out for.
if baxter managed 200+ i cant see why you cant, and if you build the engine to take the power i cant see why you would have any problems tbh
It will be a cracker if it goes right :roll: and i have no doubt that the power is possible but as you say it will need to be built for the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gsi_Jimbo
At present i'm unsure of what the bottom ends can cope with in standard guise, if any one knows please fill me in.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm turbo's rock, oo i have a spare f20 too...lol
would the small block 1800 (x18xe) be up to the power figures your after?
still small block and .2 bigger
Probably but i'm happy trying the 1600xe for the moment
Ah good lad - we can have a chat when i pop over too :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Benn
sounds awesome:d
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Originally Posted by Count Vaux Alot
Think of me as like Aladdin with a cave, but with out the shoes, hat and flying rug... And Monkey..
What about Jasmine?
Sounds good mate but ditch the f20 and join the transaxle club. Be a shame to waste those wide rears!
Sadly no :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Count Vaux Alot
Thats not a bad idea!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Simps
Well my mate bought a Neil Robson's old 8v turbo engine, and when Neil use to own it he had just over 200bhp from it, Mike has got a few lest tricks, aqua mist/progress boost controller etc, and it's still putting out 192bhp form a virtually standard (as internals) turbo'd small block 1600 8v.... :thumb:
Cant see why a 1600xe wont handle over 200bhp quite easy tbh.
rwd rwd !!!!!!!!!!!!111
Although it is an idea i am going to try at some point it wont be now nor with this car (i will let you work out all the problems first :d) as i want to get it in use in 2010. Watch this space though i have a mk1 astra van in storage for a rainy day :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Simps
Back to the 1600xe does any one know a site that gives info on engine specification etc?
Problems?? Problems? I don't know this word lol
Hey James, it's good to read up on what engine choice you are going to opt for finally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Count Vaux Alot
I was meaning to quiz you on what turbo charger you had in mind, considering your place of work & all. I think I want something bigger than the T2 I have now (been told it was upgraded to T25) but I don't believe it. Perhaps I need to send mine off for analysis & get the actuator fixed.
What would the cost be approximately on a turbo like you mention above & lets chat about getting a pair of exh manifolds made??
Anyhow, nice one for joining my exclusive club! :thumb:
Hi Craig surprisingly enough my plans have altered slightly turbo wise, after some more research today i have found a T25 turbine housing from a saab (with the .49 A/R) that is more suited to my application than the T2 i mentioned originally. The T25 housing is more efficient than the T2 and has a better exhaust exit point for my needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by craig green
I will basically be following the spesification of a GT2556R ball bearing turbo - i will give full details later once i'm back in.
Hopefully i will be to post up some pics of the turbo shortly as i have a 'shell' (a complete turbo with no innards) to dry build with :d
As for your unit you are correct in thinking that the best bet would be to send it off for analisis.
A. to find out what it actually is
B. to get the actuator sorted
C. to find out the options and cost of upgrade available
I will let you know a complete price once i have actually fully built the turbo if you are interested?
I plan on having a go at constructing my own manifolds but we will see how we get on first before i get too carried away lol
Why bother, by the time you use the big box and add a turbo youll be saving about 20kg at best!
Why not? with the plans i have and the contacts i have through work i feel i can build the whole set up for less than the cost of a standard LET engine before you put it into a nova thats why.
Besides its some thing a little bit different that i want to do.
If we all took that attitude you might as well say f uck the lot of it why bother at all??
Sounds very intresting. Will be keeping an eye on this build once again.
200bhp+ and 700kg will be very fun :thumb:
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Originally Posted by alistairolsen
20kg is 20kg tho when you're trying to make it light as poss.
/\ this is very true.
small block = small c0ck lol
Wellcome back to the nova rat race mate just a shame im stepping out of it tomorrow maybe.
I didnt realise it was about a weight issue. :dQuote:
Originally Posted by alistairolsen
So many other brands of car/motor seem to lend themself well to home made turbocharging, why should the 16XE, which is a cracking motor anyway be any different? Btw I think an F13/15 would cope with that power. I'd be inclined to use the small box & std shafts unless it all ends up as a paperweight & then switch to the F20...
James; what makes the T25 core more efficient than a T2?
iv just sat here for the past 7 odd hours reading through all 176 pages of this and all i can say is wow all the work you'v done to this is incredible especially ur fab work, it was a shame the original plans are going ahead but you have your reasons
the new plans do look very tasty tho i will be watching this :thumb::thumb::thumb:
brilliant bit of fabrication work there pal
Do the f13/15 numbers relate to the torque they can cope with (this is what i was lead to believe for the F20/28 box's?)Quote:
Originally Posted by craig green
I like the idea of an small block box like the f15 but don't know if i will destroy it? The same goes for the internals of the engine i know they don't like high RPM but i won't be going over 7800rpm so should be fine in that respect i just don't know if they will take the added stress of boost?
Craig what boost pressure are you running? I aim to run as little as possible.
The T25 is simply a more modern efficient design of turbo than the T2 and is more suited to my needs although, i am building a hybrid T25 so it will be different to any 'off the shelf' units. With the .49 A/R turbine housing i am using the power should be progressive instead of laggy and torque steer should be reduced.
With the hybrid unit i will be able to run less boost pressure to achieve the same power (compared to a standard T25) due to the upgraded comp wheel and high flow comp cover but still keep the T25 silhouette.
mr bowyer told me f15 gearbox= 150lbft torque handling capabilties
So a gentle turbo could work for a bit..?
Thats what i thought - so i'm likely to funk it fairly quickly as i don't intend to do 'gentle'.Quote:
Originally Posted by peester
ha, mr hard
:confused: That actually is my second name...Quote:
Originally Posted by peester
some names are ironic tho