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Too much info there Paul! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Paul
To be fair i dont blame him for stripping it and re doing it, if it was me and i thought it was not quite what i wanted i would do it too, best things come to thoughts who wait..
BUT fecking hurry up...lol
LmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Paul
Looking at the time of your post Paul, been on the bulmers? lol
lol wtf
Armed with this:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/875.JPG
I planned to get my bottom end ready to go together. Got two pistons together nicely:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/876.JPG
With the assembly lube on the gudgeon pin:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/877.JPG
New Mahle bearings:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/878.JPG
Now I think there's a problem with two of the pistons... There's literally no interference fit with the gudgeon pin and the piston. It'll move about with my finger, even if I shake it!
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/879.JPG
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/880.JPG
....So will call the guy at Autosprint next week to see what's going on. The other two pistons don't move by hand, although you can twist them inside the piston if you insert reverse pliers in to the pin to grip it. Hmm.
Bottom end had its final clean out to remove rebore/honing debris, fitted up the bearings to this too (Mahle again), crank will be cleaned and fitted tomorrow. :)
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/881.JPG
thats strange, have you measured the gudgeon pins or the piston to see if there different than the others?
No, but I'll get a measuring caliper on it later, good thinking.
Are the pins new?
Of course.
May just have been sent two different sized pins then...
Measured up the pins and they're all bang on Haynes size given.
Stripped down the built pistons and tinkered with the gudgeon pins and realised... The others were probably only tighter because they were greased up. The two 'loose' ones were dry. A quick ring to the guy at Autosprint and Tom Reid off here and I was happy they would be fine. Built all four up again and they all feel the same:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/882.JPG
Crank had a final clean, journals cleaned with brake cleaner and blown off with the air compressor:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/883.JPG
And shells covered with plenty of assembly lube:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/884.JPG
End oil seal got some grease as per Haynes instructions:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/885.JPG
It's bolted in hand-tight at the moment, fancy a new torque wrench to make sure it's all correct.
Haynes piston ring gap is 0.3mm, so I put the ring in the top of the cylinder:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/886.JPG
And pushed it down with a piston:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/887.JPG
And the 0.3mm feeler blade fits in perfectly, winner:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/888.JPG
Although not sure why it says 1.00 on the ring itself?
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/889.JPG
Can't find any info on which ring goes where in Haynes too. I have eight 2.00mm rings but four have a slight corner missing from the underside outer edge - is this the top or the bottom?
Good stuff! very interesting reading up on engine rebuilds in detail!:thumb:
Good stuff. This is a "PROPER" wip thread
Very good work dude. Proper impressed.
should be labled 1, 2 and 3 in the packet, and the rings say top on them
There were no labels, just all wrapped up together. I have
- Four 2mm rings with 'TOP 1.00' written on them (what does 1.00 refer to?)
- Four 2mm rings with 'TOP 1.00' written on them, and the bottom outside edge has a step on (what does 1.00 refer to?)
- Four oil scrapers (how do I gap these to the bore? They are coiled tighter than the bore's diameter)
- Eight thin oil scraper rings (do I gap these to Haynes specification?)
Top work mate, your getting very technical, fair play to you..
Scott
Right mate the four rings with the cut out on the bottom edge go at the top of the piston with the cut out to the top thats just incase the bore has a little lip so it dosent break the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by iainel
The other four 2mm rigs go underneath
And the oil scrapers go underneath those and as far as i know mate you dont have to gap them you just put them on the piston but seen as you have 3 separate rings for the scraper put the gaps at different places on all 3 dont know why though its just what my local engineering shop told me.
Hope this helps if you can make sense of it all.
Good luck.
Damo.
If you put the gap in the rings at different points around the bore it limits the amount of blow by that just shoots straight through the gap in the ring, it has to go round the bore twice before it gets out if you put the gaps on opposite sides
Cheers for the info, yeah I knew about the ring gaps in different positions, think it mentions something in Haynes.
The 2mm ring with the step says 'TOP' on the side opposite the step though?! So I can't have the step facing upwards and 'TOP' on top too.
Told you so, shoulda listened to uncle burgo :pQuote:
Originally Posted by iainel
Got myself some Halfords Professional torque wrenches today (good price with trade discount!) and torqued up my main bearings. On to the end one I used this sealant:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/890.JPG
Part number for those interested (assuming you want to trust I'm using the right product!):
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/891.JPG
Haynes was very vague on this, and a quick search revealed nothing. So I've applied sealant along the groove, and on the inside edge like this:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/892.JPG
Bolted in and smoothed the remaining sealer like so:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/893.JPG
Be OK in the block won't it?
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/894.JPG
Started fitting the rings to my pistons. For those interested, they go as follows:
- Top ring has a silver edge and is the one WITHOUT the step (not as Damen said above). 'TOP' is on top.
- Middle ring has a black edge and is the one WITH the step. 'TOP' is on top.
- Oil scraper etc on bottom, don't think it matters which way up this lot goes?!
Planning on having my ring gaps as follows (if I've interpreted Haynes correctly):
- Top ring, gap at top (if looking from exhaust side)
- Second (middle) ring, gap on bottom (if looking from exhaust side)
- Oil scraper, gap at top. Two rings next to oil scraper approx 3cm away from oil scraper gap (each 3cm away in opposite directions, so 6cm away from eachother).
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/895.JPG
i would be tempted to clean all the sealant off of the inside of the block. if it comes off and clogs your pick-up pipe all you hard work will be for nothing
Good engine work dude.
Getting there Iain
Good work mate, i second burgo's comment though.Quote:
Originally Posted by burgo
Thanks for the advice, sealer now removed from inside the crankcase.
First piston offered up to the bore:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/896.JPG
On with the ring compressor that's been sitting boxed in my toolbox for months:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/897.JPG
And all in, winner:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/898.JPG
Got the ARPs to fit tomorrow as it's just in on std bolts at the mo, then on to the cyl head to build up again.
Good work son!!!!
Sorry for the incorrect info iain normally the top ring has a groove in it facing upwards incase the bore has a lip at thetop so the ring wont break if it comes into contact with it:tard: .
Glad you got it sorted though mate.
Damo.
Weheey looking good iain
Pistons around the right way yeah?
Yep, arrow on the piston pointing towards the cams, lugs on the conrods pointing towards the flywheel. :)
Trying to stop dirt entering my block so fitted these. Fitted the gasket on the breather but does the sensor have anything?!
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/899.JPG
Temporarily fitted the waterpump and oil pump:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/900.JPG
Slight modification so it clears the early belt cover nicely (you can see on the lug at the top) - also where the hell does the tab on the waterpump go? Can't find anything about it in Haynes!
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/901.JPG
Bottom end seals - anyone any ideas?
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/902.JPG
i would say the top left is the crank shaft to oil pump seal all the rest im not sure
oh yeah the engines looking smart mate
Cheers. Yeah I guessed the oil pump seal one, and I imagine the black rubber is for the oil pickup pipe. Dunno about the rest tho!
Left looks like the crank sensor seal?
Next in sump plug seal.
Put the cambelt back plate on before waterpump, theres a notch in it that the waterpump lines up with. Looks about right where it is now
Crank sensor is the one I've fitted on the front of the block?
Pretty sure the belt cover goes on after the pump as it hides one of the bolt heads. Also there's no marks on it to show where the pump sits. It's an early XE backplate if that makes a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich
Edit: This looks like a rundown of all bottom end gasket items:
1 x Sump Plug Washer (Bottom, second from left)
1 x Oil Pressure Relief Valve Washer (Bottom, right)
1 x Oil Pump Gasket
1 x Oil Pick Up Pipe o-ring (Bottom, second from right?)
1 x Crank Sensor o-ring (Bottom, left?)
1 x Crankshaft Oil Seal - Oil Pump End
1 x Crankshaft Oil Seal - Flywheel End
1 x Water Pump o-ring
1 x Dipstick Gasket
2 x Cork Sump Gaskets
One clean oil pump housing (thanks to Tom who I bought it off tbh, did a very nice job of cleaning it for me!):
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/903.JPG
Good condition gears:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/904.JPG
Removed the relief valve from my old pump:
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/905.JPG
But it doesn't look in that good condition, some scratches on the outside - usable?
http://iainel.co.uk/images/forums/NovaWIP2/906.JPG
The crank sensor has a rubber o-ring on it
Edit-Ignore that, you already know
Engines looking fooking awesome btw!