opps thats what i ment. the early 2.2's they made as you have pointed out. thanks :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart
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opps thats what i ment. the early 2.2's they made as you have pointed out. thanks :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart
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Originally Posted by BIGS
they do, you just dont really hear about it happening much...
this is a crack (the so called porus) head..
http://www.orsas.com/CarStuff/cav/im.../marked(b).jpg
Hmmm, not sure about this, but don't want to slag you off either.
Can't imagine why your using that shell, it needs some seriously professional workmanship on it to cope with the intended stresses, the welding carried out so far just doesn't look good enough.
If it looks good, then it generally is, if it doesn't look good.....
Now, I'm not suggesting I could do any better with your intended project, but just don't see any quality so far.
As said a 300bhp xe is achievable but at massive cost......If you want that sort of power a rebuilt/decent spec'd let motor would be a much cheaper option at around a quarter of the price, I will however watch this thread with some interest, good luck!
Right i know what your all saying, i can get 300 brake much much cheeper in a let but i really really dont want a let. i DONT like turbos and love the sound of tb's. And i dont want to sound big headed here im just making a point out but i earn between ?160 - ?200 a day so the money is not a problem. its something ive wanted to do for a very long time now so thats what im doing. and yes i agree the welding dont look as good as other projects on here. but as long as it penatrates the metal i dont care what it looks like as im not going to win shows with it. But i do understand where your coming from as if the welds were rubbish yea the car wouldnt last to long
Can you get me a job? :D
Mate, I wasn't slating your car or you're commitment to this project, I actually WANT to see you do it, as I love the sound of high revving engines too.:thumb:
But do you really want to spend all that money and then fit it into a car that doesn't do credit to the engine?
If you can cut hair and handle being round 22 girls allday. sure lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Welsh Dan
The first, no, the latter yes lol.
Getting back on topic I wish you luck with this mate.
The thing is, YOU'R missing the point here as well. Your basically planning to build a highly stressed motorsport engine for the road. It WILL need a rebuild probably around every 8000 or so miles, and thats if you dont rag its nuts off, which i take it you will be or theres even less point.
No ones disputing that you wont do it, or that you can afford it. What were trying to say is your basically building a timebomb, your bolting it in a car where anything over 250bhp is a waste of time, and the only excuse you can come up with is you 'like the sound of TB's'. On the road youll never be able to use the power as it'll all be at the top of the rev range, unlike a turbo, secondly if you want to use it on track your chassis wont be able to cope with it. FACT. Dars spent the last 3 years tuning his shell to take 190 bhp, and even his would struggle like feck to deal with 300!
My suggestions are.. if you want the power, build a turbo. It will be more RELIABLE (not taking cost into account). If you want the sound of TB's (who wouldnt :)) build it to around 230 - 250 bhp, again, purely so it'll last more than 3 trips to work and back!
BUT if you purely want to build the highest spec XE so you can wave your dick around, fair play to you pal, no one can tell you what to do, all im trying to do is put this into perspective for you. If after all this advice from everyone you still decide to do it, fair bloody play and crack on mate, i look forward to seeing the result!
Oh i know that, but i can see people's point in the welding. and know myself it dont look great but can say it is strong welds just not good looking ones lol . And yea i do to be honist. i love the nova and cant think of any other car i would want to put the engine into. but to be honist i know every one says the 300 brake will be to much for it. Maybe but can anyone prove it as its not really been done. its just the same as all the people putting 300 - 400 brake lets in one. whats the difference apart from mine being n/a ?Quote:
Originally Posted by tom reid
Lots and lots. Mainly down to how the power is delivered.
A turbo makes peak power at around 4.5k, your NA will be making it around 8k!
I know what your sayng Lee, well as said in the tread im going step by step with the power to see what every bit will give the engine in gain. so maybe when i do get to 250 brake if it is to much then maybe ill take your advise and keep to that? But will just be nice to get on a track and race with you lot and hopefully learn from you aswell
If you want to learn anything from us, lesson 1 is simple. Chassis first, then engine! :thumb:
lesson learned lol now do i get homework with that or shall we leave that for Dave haha
pmsl. If you have the bottomless bank balance you say you have, you could produce a serious tool of a track car, but at the same time you could produce a massive lemon. Just dont automatically think big power is the answer!
Dans car is the one to watch next year.
Yea thats true, well for next year im hoping to take it on the track with about 240 bhp as ill have the first year getting used to that power as the most ive had is the gte, so in the winter ill finish the rest off with hopefully abit of skill behind me for the next season
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Originally Posted by BIGS
think a 3/400 break LET would rip it apart before a 300 bhp na c20, due to the shear amount of the the let would have over the xe
aslong as the welding is strong, it dont matter what it look's like :thumb:
http://pistonheads.com/sales/310897.htm
buy that
save lots of money for other trick bits
hmm thats a really good price for that. you got me thinking now
not sure what inlet/ex it comes with
theres a few other XEs on ther running dry sumps etc, high specs
ok thanks. i will be looking at them abit later
true it took me a good year of practtice, to get good welds and i still carn't always get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan 130
practice makes perfect:thumb:
Well seeing as i havent updated this for ages might aswell give a little update. Carring on from the inner arches, as i finished the box section and it was strong enough for my liking. Then went about the rest for the finshing touches that i wanted. i.e the smooth euro look. so here is the first pic of most of the inner arch cut out ready for the fabricated plates i made to go in place.
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...eengine033.jpg
then the first plate welded in
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...eengine034.jpg
then the rest of the plates in place
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits040.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...eengine035.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits041.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits043.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...eengine038.jpg
and with a bit of paint just so it dont rust
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits048.jpg
still dont know weather to put a plate in between these to stiffen it up even more :confused:
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits051.jpg
And after the other side was complete i started on cutting the other side out.
notice on this one the three layers of metal :eek:
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ngine043-1.jpg
Then it came to mounting the engine in the car to weld the six speed mount into place.
(this first bit is copied from my other tread )
Bought this conversion kit little under 2 years ago
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA:IT&ih=013
And yesterday my and a mate went to fit the engine alone with a f28 to weld the 6 speed mount into place. Thats what we thought, we bolted the drivers side mount on first all seems good. Then to the rear mount which took us about 2 hours to get it in line with the hole to put the bolt through. we done that and all still seemed ok untill we tryed the 6 speed mount and went down hill from there. And the 6 speed mount was bought from C Ashley so we know that will be fine and the gap was about 1 - 1 1/2 inches to short for the mount to fit :eek: and chris drilled the holes abit to close together for the bolts to line up with the rubber mount so off it came anyway to make one of the holes big enough so i can get both bolts in the hole. So then we taken the drivers mount off and put just the 6 speed mount on and pushed the engine over to the left and could not get the drivers mount on at all. So we thought wtf is wrong and then looked at some projects treads and other mounts for sale. then it hit us they sent the corsa mount :mad: And that left me with hours of work for nothing :cry: Well here are a few pics to show you anyway.
When i first put the engine in on just the drivers mount
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...va/bigs123.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...va/bigs121.jpg
And just the 6 speed mount on the leg which fits very nice
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f.../bigs013-1.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f.../bigs012-1.jpg
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And because we were so mad and needed cheering up we decided to fit my manifold to see what it looks like :D I will be cutting out the slam panel to so dont worry about it being abit close on the pass side.
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...va/bigs007.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...va/bigs009.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...va/bigs008.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f.../bigs011-1.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f.../bigs010-1.jpg
And then orderd the 2ltr mount for chris ashley to sort the problem out
Then a few days later this came in the post :D
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...newnova005.jpg
So then started right away to finsh mounting the engine and gearbox. heres the pic of the mount in place
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...wnova006-1.jpg
then ck welding the six speed mount into place after we got the car level then the engine
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...wnova007-1.jpg
and to make sure the engine wasnt going to move i filled the mount up with tigerseal
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits071.jpg
and the mount spot welding in place intill i take the engine out and fully weld it allround
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...wnova009-1.jpg
here you can see ive cut the slam panel out so it dont hit the manifold
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...wnova008-1.jpg
And then had abit of money to play with so got on the phone and orderd new wheels for the car and a rally cross wide arch kit.
few days later the wheels came
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits069.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...tr/bits047.jpg
Pro race 1.2 on 195-45-16.
then about four weeks later the kit arrived
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ights018-1.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...archkit011.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...archkit001.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...archkit003.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...chkit006-1.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits059.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits058.jpg
Then went about getting my 2.2 bottom end(X22XE ) after many months calling around and serching i found a car with it so up i go to take the engine out and keep the bottom end. for a good price of £120 :D. so got it back and here it is and have to say thanks to ck for coming up and helping me take it out in the rain :(
LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE FLYWHEEL :eek:
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ovapics011.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ovapics013.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ovapics012.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ovapics014.jpg
and while i was up there i took the oil cooler off it as it was much better then a standard astra gte one. the 2.2 one is the bottom one
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits064.jpg
And now just going through bits and bobs ive got to go on.
ax gt single wiper motor
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits063.jpg
modified cam cover ( can you work out whats different )
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits066.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits065.jpg
cavi turbo six speed gear shifter
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits070.jpg
vectra v6 brakes
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits067.jpg
beside nova gte disks
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits068.jpg
six speed fwd conversion kit
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits075.jpg
conversion hubs
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits074.jpg
full gasket kit
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits078.jpg
equel lenght shaft set up
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits045.jpg
corsa gsi brake set up
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits047.jpg
maxda rx7 twin turbo rad and twin fan
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...ltrbits046.jpg
and here ive started cutting the spare wheel out ready to put the rad in the boot
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...va/bigs030.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...va/bigs031.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...va/bigs032.jpg
and here ive marked out there about where i want to cut the rear arch out for the rear arches.
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...va/bigs024.jpg
just to make sure i cut a little bit first to see behind
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...va/bigs025.jpg
i was and had plenty to play with so......
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...va/bigs029.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...va/bigs028.jpg
still plenty that can get cut out
And finishing for now with a few pics of the car on wheels with the kit on with tape lol just so i could see what it will look like. from a previous tread a week or so ago.
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...newnova099.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...newnova098.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...newnova097.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...newnova096.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...newnova095.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...newnova094.jpg
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...newnova100.jpg
:cool:
Whoa that is shell is a pear! lol
I would keep my eye out for a mint 1.2 shell etc there are a few about at the moment....
You will always be chasing the rot around tbh...
very interesting read bigs,hope it all works out for you mate.i think priority is a mint shell,(the current one dont look in good health),then start on the chassis work(priority),a fully prepared shell will then be waiting for a fully prepared engine.im loving the enthusiasm you have and if i had a decent wedge going in the bank,then id be totaly in the same frame of mind.good luck once again mate, will be keeping close tabs on this thread.:thumb:
I dont mean to be rude but whats the idea with the banana manifold? Wish i had the space to do a track car
There is more chyance of me finishing my Escort off than that car being finished !
Find yourself a good shell mate as that is NOT worth putting anytime into.
Personally I'd also sell that manifold and get a BTB or Simpson one, there is nothing cool about having half of the engine bay hanging through the front bumper
Yup and TBH how are you going to crack 300bhp from a xe when swindon with unlimited budget did not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonlem
i believe swindon had to stick to the 1998cc, this is going to be 2.2 or 2.3 when the engine is built. not saying its going to hit 300hp but in the long run it would have developed into a similar spec to sbd's 292+ kit and swindons top spec all be it a larger capacity. it could even be lower in power due it being a longer stroke but it should make up for that in torque.