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I cant remember the name of the bloke that space framed a 306 with a yb lump, done a lot of stages i believe untill he crashed it, ill try and find the site.Quote:
Originally Posted by R1CH
Anyway, i think a lot of this could of been avoided if someone used search, makes my thread about just a normal XE conversion seem pathetic!
Somehow i think this is just another nova 4x4 thread that never materializes.........
Seen a Cossie 4x4 306 at Rally X @ Croft a few times, Cossie 4x4 stuff has been fitted to a fair few 'small' cars - Clio / Mk2 Golf / 106 / others ??
I know what you mean about another 4x4 thread ... if you've gotta ask the basics then it ain't gonna happen.
I do genuinly think it'd be doable tho, a bit of fabricating, cutting & shutting of a 4x4 floor pan ... bish bosh, a 4x4 Nova !! lol
The real way forward on this would be spaceframing in my mind. And to add to the list of Yb 4x4 things, Mossis Minor has to be the best one ive seen.
Wonder if i can 4x4 a pram?
thing is the GM 4x4 only transmits power back if the front wheels slip and even then it only throws 90NM of torque back. Unless you get a massively priced Locked/modded box.
So its a 2wd car all the time anyway, just on the odd launch you get the back wheels doing stuff
I just had a thought, would James Austins space framed nova be plausable for 4x4 or is the engine positioned too far back, plus ive never even really seen the whole vauxhall 4x4 running gear/transmission etc, all i understand is that it might be an f28?!lollol Thats it, my knowledge on 4x4 is there, but hey, at least im honest:thumb:
Ok cheers bud, but like you said it will be a while yet. im looking into about march next year maybe april. so ill give them a shout near the time :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan 130
Interesting! So most of the time its a 2wd system; only if the front wheels start to lose traction, a small amount of power is transferred to the rear wheels?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart
yes its pretty pants, however you can change it so thats on all the time, as that is what we did with the corsa. Basically we just ran it with no front shaft in an had it rear wheel drive.
stu at what point did i say i was doing a budget rebuild? why is it because me and my mate/s want to rebuild it ourself because correct me if im wrong i thought the whole idea of a project was to do it yourself and have fun doing it. And as ive already said ive always wanted to go tb's i DONT want a turbo im not doing this thinking oh i will save money here ill do it that way. And the 4x4 wont slap power as it dont even work untill the front wheels start to spin as some have said already so even on the track it will be more like a fwd car. And for tho's who say it will slow me down and wont handle well. dont you think ive already thought about this and if you think about it it should handle fine as the added weight will help even the weight out thoughout the car. and the torque isnt that far off a turbo anyway with what im doing just look at the sbd website at there 300 bhp kit. and thos who say it will never be done or started. it will be done is it because ive got the balls to try something different and when you here it you slag it off. fair play you all got your opinons but if i do it and it turn out rubbish atleast i tryed to see if it is any good. and if i do it and it works fine great ive got a good car
Cheers phil for tho pics. its good to see something of what is being taken on, and i know about the arches but its just when the car is all done i will be making the arches around the car/ wheels like the boost beast. as they used a cavi rear axle and thos arches look lovely.
they didnt use a cavi rear axle, they used a complete calibra front subframe, that cars not true 4wd either as its 2x FWD boxes working in parralel to each other.
Getting bored of this now really, less talk more work!
believe it when i see it, running properly
I don't see what the problem with doing a 4x4 nova is as a concept.
The problem with using a cally/cav 4x4 setup is twofold:
1. The std cally/cav 4x4 running gear is not very well packaged & doesn't appear to be very strong.
2. Apart from looking good, the benefit of using a gm 4x4 running gear will not be that great compared to a decent 2wd system with lsd/traction control,
The answer in my view is to look at maybe a 2.0 16v lump mated to a sierra 4x4 trans (bellhousing kits readily available) with ford 4x4 diffs front & rear. The std front suspension can remain, & at the rear use a narrowed cally/cav subframe. the driveshafts can easily be modified by going to a lorry driveshaft repair shop. the only problems I foresee are the transmission tunnel, exhaust route, how far back the engine goes, etc. A good hotrodder would be a help.
My exact thoughts but yet they still keep dreaming
Fair play and I hope you win with this one. Well impressed with the ammount of money your going to be spending. The engine alone will cost more than my whole car:eek:
I hope that it does get done as it would be nice to see someone actually building one and not just talking about it. You have to understand that this question has popped up every other week for years an years with no outcome. People get to it an then realise they dont have a clue what they are doing lol.
If you "X" out these pipe dreams of a 300bhp XE, the 4x4 set up aint that hard tbh.
Once you figured out how to fit a Cav 4x4 floor pan into a nova, and the rear sub frame, mount up the rear diff, get some Cav shafts shortened down, shortened prop shafts, XE conversion shafts up front and use Cav 4x4 suspension on rear, adeqaute XE/LET suspension on the front, and TBH the rest shouldnt be too hard for a seasoned mechanic.
Saying all that, GM 4x4s systems are poop, youll need to learn how to weld.....PROPERLY, and get real friendly with your local steel stock holder.
Im very quitely confident that i could prep a shell to take a 4x4 setup, however im not confident with the whole fitting the 4x4 setup onto it, hence why ive never tried this, but contemplated it a lot.
Out of all the 4x4 hatchs ive measured up, the Es'cos will be the easiest to fit into a Nova. Pulsar are to wide along with Cav's (8inchs odd to wide) Land Rover 90 is again to wide and too long etc etc
also another thing about the novas is you will need to move the suspension mounting points on the rear which basically means you may as well do away with the whole cav floor as thats half of what you use. If done dont use cav stuff, it will need space framing other wise your making to much hassle for yourself for something that isnt going to be that good.
Nah, small jap is the way forward in terms of dimensions. Suzukis (Grand Vitara, Wagon R, etc) and Daihatsus (Applause, MIra Gino, Gbox, Scirion, Sonica) are a lot closer to the Nova measurements than the Escort. In fact the Sonica 4WD is very almost bang on the Nova track and wheelbase dimensions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Last Of The Nova SR'S
Ahh, Jack the Es'cos is around an Inch out width & 2 in lenght :thumb:
Phil,Quote:
Originally Posted by Philsutton
In those photo's I pressume the red pannels are from the cav/cally?
Do you have anymore photo's? I was thinking of just using the rear cav/cally swing arms and not bothering with the whole subframe but wandered how this would handle? It would cut down on a lot of weight. There's a couple of companies doing rear trailing arms for nova now with no arb etc.
Nice 1 mate! give it a go i reckon you'll be able to do it and as it happens one of my mates is in the process of builing a 4wd nova and his is mostly completed so it is possible
LOL i love these threads, there ace hahaha everyones mates mate of a mates dog is building, planning on building or nearly finished building a 4x4 Nova lol
pic dont work jack ^ ;)
it does just a bit boring
Any chance you could answer the couple of questions on the previous page?:thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Philsutton