Next i drilled the necessary holes out
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...npics002-1.jpg
Which looked like this when offered up
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Next i drilled the necessary holes out
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Which looked like this when offered up
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...ionpics011.jpg
Next I tacked it up
The underside detail tacked up with rose joint and uniball in place
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...ionpics008.jpg
Next job was to start making the front cross member bracket which was quite fiddly to work out where the holes needed to be to line up properly
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...npics004-1.jpg
not very clear but I'm using a bit of rod in the various holes to work out if its all ok
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...ionpics018.jpg
Thats it for today
Great stuff. I'm looking forward to seeing what your up too. You've got some nice toys to play with in your workshop :D
Nice upgrades CP. These are the kind of things I wish I was doing to my car.
Hope it works out well.
Could you upload the pics of the exhaust manifold again? :)
Hmm must have expired. I think I may have deleted them as I have changed phones recently. Is something desperate cos they are gonna get reposted elsewhere soon?
Which neatly brings me to the subject of the next lot of pics. Ok I'll hold my hands and admit I've cheated but an opportunity presented itself that doesn't arise very often and I succumbed and agreed terms to purchase the following - its not the darkside but very nearly.... enjoy... this is pure porn
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...0engine004.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...0engine003.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...0engine002.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...0engine001.jpg
Well I think I can say (without counting my chickens too early that thats pretty much my engine problems sorted:eek: lol
Thats a damn fine looking engine there! Probably goes alright too. Did it come with a white nova attached or is that something else?
you bought that all complete, as pics? or is that the new engine wearing your old 1.4 anchilleries??
tis a looker tho.. 1.8?
Not a 1.8, that would be too close to that evil 2....... I was never confused!
This little package was worth four of us driving to somewhere way up in Northland on a 8.5hr round trip! Makes me go all tingly seeing the photos again.
MC
Dry-sumped C16XE with throttle bodys? nice.
Nah, not desperate. I was just interested in comparing it to the one ive just bought, as it looked similar iirc.Quote:
Originally Posted by CP
Thats a fooking hardcore looking small block!!! :eek:
I like :cool:
..anyone know what CP's doin with his old bits? :D
That would be the one then Charles. Very nice spec.Quote:
Originally Posted by eurorallye
Very impressive.
^^ ah.. i saw that engine for sale actually on that site, yeah.. lol .mega mega,
So long as the purchase goes ahead as planned, they will be up for sale but not yet so hold your horses. Many a slip twixt cup & lip and all that;)Quote:
Originally Posted by peester
Rick is right obviously. I've not seen any dyno figures nor do I know who built the bottom end. I'm looking for something that will hopefully have a reliable life of at least 500 full chat miles. The mileage covered in trackdays is closer to that of endurance racing ie very hardwork so I may bring the revs down-not too much point being the fastest person to the first breakdownlol
There are other goodies that I have always wanted such as lightweight competition starter, alternator. It also has a super lightweight flywheel and paddle clutch. The deal also includes a full custom built SS zorst system which looks to have all the right design features but isn't a recognised name so I'm not sure just how good it actually is. The big thing that I really want to experience is the dry sump system - trying to keep the oil in the right place within the engine on some tracks has been a constant source of irritation with my old wet sump system.
horses on hold.. am interested tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by CP
You a right to be excited about this engine tho; one can tell youve thought good n long about it - in a reliability and useful/apropriate-ness way; that the engine will do what u want/need it to do; not just the 'more power' attributes.
Right todays progress - its been slow sorting all the measurements and fabricating stuff
First i mocked this up
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next took it off and welded it all up thus
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Finally put it back on and sorted the new "wishbone" into position ready to take measurements for cutting the front part to length
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...ension2005.jpg
As it is in the final picture the hub pivoting point will have been moved roughly 30mm directly forward beyond where I was with the previous set-up which in itself was over 20mm forward from standard. Ball park preliminary measurements suggest that if I leave the top strut pivot point as standard I will have over 3 degrees positive camber. If I alter the top mount pivot point in and back as planned I think I may be able to get around 6 degrees positive caster overall but this wont be confirmed til I get the final bit welded on:)
this thread is definatly one of the best on here, interesting and informative
Good to see the mad professor is at it again lol!!
Bringing skills from tractors to cars lol!
I almost expected a Cat engine earlier in the threads but have to say the engine you have purchased does look a proper tool . Fair play mate. i may have to get me **** in gear for a bit of spectating once some of you lads have got your cars all back together.
Good work mate and fabricating. Different!! :thumb:
Speak soon mate!
good find on the engine, fancy swapping cam covers with me.......
lol is that some kind of inuendo that I've not come across before?lolQuote:
Originally Posted by broster
Seriously tho ? Is there a problem that you've spotted?
i need to do the same modification to my cam cover!
only thing id look at changing on the engine would be to swap over to an electric water pump, other than thats thats an awesome find!
What a thread! is 2008 the year of the rebuild for the old members of the site? Good work Charles, be great to catch up sometime this year to say hello!
such memories of when dans was built that weekend, really enjoyed it. was a proper top gear style challenge and it worked! :o)
Hi Will:) Yeah this projects part of the site works a treat and seems to get everybody on the go - it gave me the itch to get going although i admit my old bones resist the thought of a cold workshop. No doubt with all the other excellent cars being sorted there will a fair bit going on during the year.
Got few more pics - still scratching my head trying to get the suspension sorted:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b.../060208062.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b.../060208061.jpg
These show the front part of the new wishbone clamped in place
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b.../060208063.jpg
The rear of the new wishbone and how the strut looks
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b.../060208065.jpg
We measured the positive caster and fully forward its 7 degrees so we'll back it off somewhatlol
Here's what the wheel looks like on
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b.../060208057.jpg
Waaaay forwardlol
The next mod to be attempted will be camber. We've got a fair bit on already but we are going to try and move the top mount in and back to the centre of the car. Not too sure exactly the best way to do this yet but we've a had a few ideas tonight that we need to sleep on to refine into a more elegant solution. (if thats possible with my usual tools, a sledgehammer, a lump hammer and the oxy-acetylenelol )
Bottom wishbone arrangement fully welded and painted
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First I cut out a template
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Next mark out on some steel
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For those of us without a plasma cutter you can try the old skool flame cut appraoch. The nozzle to use is the thin sheet steel one on the left
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b.../060208082.jpg
This is dragged along the surface of the steel and is specifically designed to give a small flame and narrow cut on sheet steel
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After a bit of tidying up I got this
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b.../060208091.jpg
Which will fit something like this
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Charles I don't understand how your tie-bar will locate and operate properly without a bearing of some sort. Surely having a steel hole on the bare bolt is gonna have wear issues, leading to play as the hole is enlarged/bolt worn down. Surely a rosejoint at the end would've worked much better? Is there gonna be a series of spacers to prevent fore and aft movement too?
I wanted to use a rose joint but then I thought about the forces acting at that position. If I understand it right under acceleration the main force acting at the front is created by the driven wheels pushing forward through to the front cross member( the reverse will happen underbraking). A rose joint like the one at the rear of the tie bar is not designed to have lateral forces such as that - AFAIK it will try and shove the collar off the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by dhdev (Oli)
There are going to be washers to space it out front and rear so i can adjuster castor.
I dont expect wear to be an issue - i've made all sorts of stuff before and found that providing you using large bolts which give a large bearing area wear is limted. It will be greased and the size of steel used is way over spec.
BTW I spent a lot of time aligning it all so that the front pivot point is on the same axis as the rear one is
Understand what you're saying about the force acting on the bearing, but I've got rose-jointed tie-bar brackets on mine and the force acts as you said without probs.
But because the tie-bar acts as you said, the front pivot will take all the fore and aft forces. Therefore it will need to be free from movement in those directions. The only way I can see it doing that is by packing it tight with washers, which is gonna be bad from a smooth operation point of view, but leaving a small amount of play will lead to an annoying rattle and possibly bad feel through the suspension.
I'm probably being a bit needlessly nit picky though, and I'm certainly not trying to detract from what is a pretty revolutionary (In the Nova world) bit of engineering. :thumb:
Charles does plan to pack it with washers and yes it will probably knock, but no more than it did with the rose joint already there and dont forget that this car only ever gets used on track and probably only a few times a year.
We had the same conversation and he is right. The uniball front tie bar mounts that are commonly used are a different design with the bearing clamped in place.
I can't wait to try it, especially coupled with the squillion degrees of negative camber we'll get from re-doin the strut tops.
MC
Update please! We know you've been tinkerin!
Is that engine yours now - it's disappeared from http://www.eurorallye.co.uk/ website ??
Liking the upgrades & thinking behind them so far CP.
I'll pass judgement until its completed. Oli has some valid issues though IMO.
i've got a great bit of software for calculating roll centres and instaneous centres etc based on measurements taken from the car. you can adjust the camber, caster and toe and analyse the affects at full bump and rebound. would come in handy. will be interesting to see how much improvement is seen. liking the new lower arms.
Took the plunge after a bit of dithering about wondering just what would be the best way to go about it and particularly what the downsides were likely to be and chopped the top off my turrets
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...turrets003.jpg
realised I couldn't really do this properly so out came the firewalllol
The new turret tops are about ready to go in. I've got to do some measuring and put in some reference points to get them symetrical
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...turrets002.jpg
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...turrets001.jpg