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This sounds like its gonna be fun.
G625WRK is my old car, the shell is now dans
Welcome to the dark side... (big block)
Its dans new projectQuote:
Originally Posted by Gsi_Jimbo
Sounds good dan, although not sure why you want a new shell when your old one is already track prepped and pretty spot on by the sound of it.
Also, why do you want to build a std xe when it wont have than much more power than your 1600?
Not having a dig, just seems a bit strange..
Are you wide tracking as well?
oh looked like someones i know from exmouth
I'm a bit confused also... But i guess there are some things that your not telling us dan ?
Well, if you decide to split your old engine, i'd be very interested in the head dan. If not, then i hope the new owner gets as much pleasure from it as you did
lol lol no need for any conspiracy theories lol lol
What some of you guys forget is i have been playing around with these nova's since just after i passed my test back in 1992/3. The current engine i have tuned and revamped and tuned and revamped again for over ten years (some of you wont even keep a car half the time of that). I have run 4 different shells now in various specs and slowly evolved my own styles and works, i have always admired the wide arch nova's and finally had a chance of one which i couldnt turn down.
The Grey car was done, it was complete with no more mods worth doing to a complete package for that particular build and what it stood for. I am now going to evolve my idea's abit more and go one better using the wide arch to complete it. The old shell is mint, with a very high standard of work in it, this will be exactly the same just on a bigger scale.
As for engine wise, the new shell already has the mounts welded in place so running an xe is already written in stone, the reason it will remain standard is the fact with the new gearing and lighter shell it will already be faster than the grey one in a straight line. Once i have sorted out the geometry and track and corner weighted it the new one will also handle alot better. Unless you have seen me on track/timed me or seen the cars i dabbled with power is not an issue, what i could do with the original build was silly at times tbh. The new one will be as described above so why stress the engine any more than standard when i dont need the power anyway. A POWERFUL CAR DOESNT MAKE IT A FAST ONE ;) but it can make up for lost time eslewhere if needed
That bit could read abit daft but again those that know me and how i drive will understand what i have tried to get across lol
I think you're basicaly saying that you're aiming for even better handling and grip than what you had with the grey shell through use of the available wider track and some extra weight loss?
I don't see any shame in running a standard xe, it's going to have plenty of go for your style of driving, and cuts down the risk of "BT blowups".
the main thing will be similar to the grey one, people come up and ask what the hells in it, i used to say a 1.6 8v. Now i will say a 2.0 16v, and when asked whats been done to it i can say nothing, the engine is just a bog standard 150bhp lol , its the simple things that humour me lol
Where abouts are you getting your wide track kit from? Iv got one on order from clark motorsport (formally walden) will send you some pics when i recieve it. 4 week wait though (only 1 & half to go:D )
well the theory goes i wont bother going to the expense of buying one ;)
What theorys that then?
I think its going to be a great project Dan, and i'll be keeping a close eye on it. I also think your smart using a standard XE and concentrating on everything else that makes a quick car first.
Once you've perfected that, you can always bolt on some throttlebodies at a much later date if you felt the need.
Keith
Im not sure, but ive got an idea in my head you can use astra parts?Quote:
Originally Posted by t45_ste
hmmmmmm intresting. Must keep an eye on this thread.
astra parts is miles off lol, it will all appear on this thread as i slowly measure things and move/modify bits and pieces.
If i am totally honest ste i havent even looked into getting the kit. Pm with the details and what it cost you and whats what if you dont mind ??, would be interesting to find out and see how much cost and hassle i may save myself, or wasted time replicating
Keep in mind that a standard XE with 150BHP won't feel as responsive / rev how the old 1600 8v did.
Don't get me wrong it'll be faster because it has a bit more power - but in terms of "feeling" you might, as i did, be a little disappointed.
Its just an educated guess, but im sure Dan has weighed up all the pro's con's of big block/small block and would be very aware of any implication regarding power/weight/response etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by BRoadGhost
IMHO, Dan's theory goes pretty much as follows - "Power is nothing without control" :thumb:
lotn had it spot on almost broadghost, but also take into account you probably fitted the standard f20 gearbox onto yours so had the most basic package.
Although the engine is standard i have the quiafe sccr box going on with a 3.9 f/d (standard is 3.52) which is a whole different ball game.
The performance the box will offer is worth a hell of a lot when compared to getting the engine to the same level on a standard box imo
Thats what i was gonna say,
the box will help some much with feeling the power and the go of it...
Hmmm I think I've worked it out - its JCB 3c front and rear axles plus 4 wheel drive torque converter:D
lol dont give me any crazier idea's lol lol lol lol althoughhhhh monster truck nova, the arches would accomodate it hmmmmmmmmmm
Imo the xe will be nicer to drive, more torque etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by BRoadGhost
Dan, does the wide track inlove a Vectra by any chance?
A bloke near me builds Nova Rally cars and thats what he uses... ;)
I know Vectra shafts are recommended to be used in conjuction with the wide track kit. It will be interesting to see if anything from other GM's make up a DIY wide track kit relatively easily!Quote:
Originally Posted by Will F
Project sounds very interesting Dan, will definately keep an eye on this as it sounds you have some good ideas in the pipeline!
Just use a 6" ally spacer on the hub like they did on the rear of that red beemer on Chop Shop :eek: :roll:
Brian G's wide arch was the blue one with the v-grill.
I bought the engine a few years ago and the rolling shell was sold to a rally driver. It was painted pink and used as a tarmac rally car!
I haven't seen it on a stage in along time, it could be stuck in an Irish ditch somewhere or upside down in a bog. Or just in a garage gathering dust - hopfully that's where it is, it was some car.
Cheers,
Mick
This is the one...
http://www.pngclub.com/forum/viewfeaturecar.php?ref=177
I'd seen that before, thats one mk2 I wouldnt mind owning, well at least until it went pink! lol
Are the wide arch kits easy to come by then?
Yeah about ?400
Quote:
Originally Posted by t45_ste
what does this kit consist of?? might b intrested in 1
I had a chat about this a wj=hile back with a company that made them (no idea who they were!) but they sent me a pic of both those blue novas as reference.
Think the kit is just front wings and rear 1/4 and the skirts.
Pro-Tec motorsport still sell the wide arch kit IIRC, aswell as a couple of other places
The wide track principal is uber simple, im surprised no ones worked it out yet lol
Fit wide wheels!? lol
They do... butQuote:
Originally Posted by Last Of The Nova SR'S
From my expirience, i'd never buy or go near pro-tec ever again.
The only thing I didn't like about Brian's car was the v-grill, everything else was perfect.
He had terrible trouble with the tca's breaking.
Cheers,
Mick