Thats the paradox. Run standard power, and itll be slow. Run big power and the transfer box will turn into a gooey sludge lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan 130
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Thats the paradox. Run standard power, and itll be slow. Run big power and the transfer box will turn into a gooey sludge lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan 130
Better idea, modify some Nova bumpers, lights, wings etc.. to fit a 4x4 cally lol.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm gooey sludge aarrrgghhh:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Bottlethroddy
good look with the 4x4 my mates doin the same at the moment i will ask him how he has started his one off, oh and yes the is a lot of cuttin and weldin to be done, i will also try and get some pics of it to so you can see wot your up against, all the best fella:thumb:
Cheers for this, i will have a look and see what they did :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xen0phobiak
And to bt's post's
The engine will be about a 300 bhp tb'd redtop. which will be abit less torque then a turbo so if i use the turbo transferbox i wont have any problems. and why wont a 4x4 handle well surley it will be just as good as a normal xe'd nova just 4x4 with a wide track. and the 4x4 only works when the front starts to spin on the cavi/calibre turbos and only about 30 % at the back any how.
I'd say depends on the weight distribution with regard to handling. On something as light as a Nova, you're going to have all the weight over one end, rear diffs aren't all that heavy and you'll have a meaty engine/gearbox/xfer box up front (or in the back if you go rear engined). Mid engine might get away with it.
Celica GT4 transmission won't fit on a Nova, not even a 165 system and thats the smallest of the GT4s.
Not that you'd want a 165 running gear as its poo anyway lol
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Originally Posted by BIGS
fcuk me thats gonna be one expensive engine build.... not to mention 500mile rebuilds
personally if it was me me i couldnt justify all the work for a 300 hp redtop. in a front wheel drive setup it would be cool, but by the time you have lost alot of power through the 4wd system itself its still not alot of power why not go for 400/450 let because to be honest there wouldnt be an awfull lot of diffrence in cost
what i thought thats about 6/7 grand worth of race engine if you want it as close to reliable as possible lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuart
well 1 i love the sound of a good tb'd car blame Dar for that lol. and every one does turbo's and i want to be diffrent. And to be honist if i had a 300 bhp tb'd redtop it would be faster then any 400 bhp turbo nova. And yea i know about the cost of doing this but i dont spend my money on anything else and this is what i love so why not.
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Originally Posted by Dan 130
think more like ?15K
Well i can get just over 300 with 10k. but ive been told to have a reliable engine to tune it to 250Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan 130
Spend 2k on a let, with evo5, and a t3.
Get similar power, and more torque....
A 300hp xe would be using mental revs, are probably undriveable on the road
well as you said why not it would still be a cool car what about other engines like cossie yb or v8 something mega diffrent (v8 on throttle bodies mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm) lol
or an easy 200bhp xe build and add nitrous :D
i was assuming he would be doing most of the building of the engine himself so that was only really a basis on parts with a engine like this id certainly want alot of steel internals lol
300 bhp of nitrous ha ha (BANG)
well at the end of the day ive always wanted a tb'd engine and now thats what im doing. plus turbo just rip and bend a nova as two people i know found out and had to scrap there cars. And i dont fancy any other engine i want to keep it all vauxhall and there is something i like about a redtop that i like. i think it's one sexy looking engine and the fact its got a cosworth head
TB'd xe, and 100 nitrous on a controller.
But its no better than a gm one :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGS
I did think about this but it is cheeting. i want just pure power so no one can turn around and say oh but you got nos so you were bound to winQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuart
Yes they dont go porus. think thats how its spelt :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Long Live The Nova
Meh, it aint cheating, its just a helping hand,Lol.
"porous" head is an easy fix tho. Well worth saving the cost of paying about ?200+ for a "cosworth" head.
but when ive already got a coscast head it dont matter. so what your all sayin is go for about 250 bhp to keep it reliable and add nitrous ?
to be honest its still (100 shot nos) about 350 hp say so things are not very reliable and will need regular rebuilds
Yea but no matter what i tune it to it will always need a rebuild as i will be racing it alot when its on the road. TRACK only may i add. But if i tune it to say 250 bhp cant you get a 50 shot of nos? And there is no point just tunnin it to 200 as to be honist it will be quite easy with the tb's im using to get that power
Even 250 is a huge figure for a XE.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGS
Even 210/220 needs headwork, decent cams, tb's, high rev limit etc.
we just currently built a xe to fairly high spec with pulse performance tb's headwork cams woosner pistons,arrow rods emerald management etc etc blar blar that was around the 250 hp mark that was about 7 grand (not sure on the exact figures) so nothing is going to be cheap but do it to what you want then you will be happy
Yea the main thing is the headwork. i want to find one of the best places to do it. and ill be using hiyabussa tb's my mate can get the rest of the stuff easy and ill be using magasqirt and and pocketed pistons but dont know what size cams yet. going to look into that more near the time. And im going to be using a dry sump plus steel rod's etc
the gm head dosent go porous either...... it cracks but its an easy fix.
have a look for a bloke called giles on mig. hes been building an XE of scary spec for about a million years.... not sure how close to 300 hes going to get but its going to slap you into reality lol
well i know your a fair while away but with things like this you want quality workmanship i help build race engines at weekends so gradually building on my knowledge but if you would like some idea on prices i could put you in contact with who i help out check out the link in my sig GRACE ENGINE DEVELOPMENTS
Just have done with it and buy a Pulsar GTiR!
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For fukks fukking sake. How many fukking times do we need to hear this absolute Horesh1t
Go for it. If you pull it off, congrats, ill be the first to suck your cock. If it fails, dont be shocked/upset/angry when you get "i told you so" from Everybody on here!
300BHP XE, On a budget build, Hayabusa TBs...... FUKK OFF!!
BTCC cavs ran 300BHP with MEGA MEGA spec. Have you even gone done the route of turning the head around, so the inlet side faces the front of the car?? Do you know how much research/developement/testing etc went into those engines to make them what they were?
Why not, as everyone else says, build a big spec LET, for cheaper money and have the all important requirement for a 4wd monster, TORQUE.
The cally 4x4 system will sap alot of power and to give it a fukking good shove to get your "Racing car" moving your gonne require alot of Torque, which, no matter how much you spend, You aint gonna get NA!!
My integra Type R for instance is nigh on 270 BHP NA, but ill be lucky to see 200lbft of torque.
Anyway, this is all pipe dreams, youve gotta get the running gear in first!
You'd be good in the Army thinking about it, as from what i know of the Army, Most of em are full of sh1t.
right, ive seen this done many times before mainly on mk3 astras and on corsa's. cant be alot of diffarence on a nova as they share a similar base to an astra and identicle to a corsa (pretty much) like said the width does not matter as it will be wide track up front aswell and will have a wide arch kit bought or made to match up with the width the cally rear end..
the system will always give scope for turbo power at a later date. makes sense really as there wont be no transfer box problems with N/A as it will be about 25% less torque than a LET. but easily upgradable at a later date for more power. its the fact that it shoudl take a good thrashing and be reliable (in terms of transmision) and make a huge diffarence to the way the car drives in the wet, well at least off the line anyway.
as for the engine i dunno what you lot are on about but on a completely std xe over 200bhp is easily obtainable with the correct set up (not even touching the internals of the engine) and 300bhp is certainly obtainable on a normal xe engine without a swindon reversed head!! ive seen healthy 240+hp on a minimaly specced engine still running std rods and oil system whilst still being reliable..
it does help that we have Mr Rheed local (JRE) for the engine build..
the hayabus bodies are adequate for the xe aswell even in a high state of tune, maybe not enough for 300hp but definatly not too far off. not forgeting that they taper from 48mm to 44mm (ish) in a similar fasion to the SBD taper throttle bodies which have seen proven 300hp..
stu you sure your not in the army yourself?? sound like it.
definitely not in the army.Quote:
Originally Posted by ck
Like everybody has always said, believe it when we see it!!
Well done for seeing these high powered minimal tuned XEs, im so proud of you!
Right anyway here is the corsa we did, not that difficult. I still stand by what I said its not as easy for a nova an requires a different approach as imo just fitting a wide arch isnt going to solve it.
And also I would rather have a 2wd 200-300bhp nova as the weight of the 4x4 system is going to make it solwer round a track unless your grass tracking.
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there was only one ever made and it was a left hand drive built for rallying and the 4wd corsa that someone built twisted in the middle as there to much power from the engine and the body twisted
Must have been pigeon ****ted together to twist as I doubt the transfer box would transfer enough torque to twist the shell.
Cool !!Quote:
Originally Posted by muzzy
If it'll fit in a 106 then it'll fit in a Nova !!
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