dunno if youve seen the latest PPC mag but they compare the mk2 escort, capri 1 and volvo 240 axles
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dunno if youve seen the latest PPC mag but they compare the mk2 escort, capri 1 and volvo 240 axles
what's ppc?
:eek: i beg your pardon
PPC = practical performance car
i thought so but didn't want to look silly :roll:
ya ya. anywho according to them the volvo 240 axle is the best to go for
how readily available are parts and upgrades tho?
Out of interest, why is that one the best to go for?
upgrades as in what?
they class it as the best as its the most readily available, strongest and cheapest. plus its easy to knock 30mm out of its length if you so wish
looks like i'll be buying that mag then!
the 240 axle is inbreakable & has a lsd as std. the hot rodders have been using them for years
/\ mowgli, it's not all the 240 back axle's that came with the LSD as far as i know, i think only the Turbo and 1 other model that i'm not sure of, they are pretty much unbreakable though yeh, although they are really pretty heavy. as said i think i'd make a independant set-up by buying a complete rear sub frame and taking what i needed and adapting it etc etc..
according to the ppc mag they say its lsd and the pics also say lsdQuote:
Originally Posted by DW-Nova
id go IRS any day of the week. using a cavy 4stud rear setup and omega/carlton/monaro diff something along those lines.
i think sbd sell rwd sumps for around £150 new (plus pick up ect) Neil Adams (on mig) has used a ford (i think type 9) on his c20let using the sbd sump and has gone into his westfield.
might help looking through his thread or website for some inspiration
http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/proje...d-project.html
http://www.fw500.co.uk
just comes up with a blank page with a sti logo?Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul
if i was doing it id use:
escort X member
xe, with type9 box with sierra back end or a baby atlas if can get one reasonable price.
manta struts, and fabricate chassis rails in the front and work from that.
lad i know has put a evo6 motor into a mk3 fiesta with m3 6speed box and an atlas, **** me goes like stink.
and back end shouldnt be too hard to do, put your 4link boxes in, turrets and away you go really. and im sure theres a kit you can buy to do the front end to get engine sitting properly.
source a 1.8 manta sump and pick-up, or modify 2 stock xe pickups and a sump
4stud cav will be a beam. Only turbo where irs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ck
Wonder what this guy used:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Simps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohhIICDrcPU
Iirc the engines fitted in the back...Quote:
Originally Posted by ednovasr2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohhIICDrcPUQuote:
Originally Posted by The Simps
Ah I see!
sure thats running a V6 mid engined. was by the totb stand at PV this year by spanish, gaz'd etc etc
if you were going to run irs i wouldnt use anything off the shelf make it yourself
you have over looked one major issue so far the brick wall that i hit when i started to look into doing this with mine
what you doing about your steering rack as you cant pass it through the middle of the block!
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Originally Posted by ste porter
Run escort stuff aswell. It all connects up on the lower engine brace.
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Originally Posted by philip
Pretty much exactly what I'm thinking except I've been told the atlas will be too wide and I'd be better keeping the english, especially as I'm not going stupid power anyway.
The only thing I'm scratching my head on is how to retain the cav turbo rims which is what I'd like to do. The fronts is easy enough as I can leave as is and put a cv in to help hold the bearing etc and then make sure the steering meets up ok. Its the rears I need to work out.
In reference to IRS comments. For a trackday car I just don't see the need of going through all the hassle and expense. If it was going to have more time on the road or go rallying then maybe, but I just don't think the cost difference will benefit me enough on track.
Its a rear mounted V6 using mostly mk2 escort stuff...Quote:
Originally Posted by philip
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8210/cimg3575ra1.jpg
baby atlas is 48inch, think english is 52!
as for wheels, fit rear disc brakes to beam, with some modded half shafts;)
GSI 2wd and 4wd were IRS too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benn
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Originally Posted by philip
What were the baby atlas' fitted too? It was an atlas off a manta I was told would be too wide.
I've already got my nova beam converted to 5 stud rears but I can't see how you would mod the half shafts without using hub converters??
Also, dumb question I know, but what handbrake mechanism do tey use because surely the hole thing is spinning because its all bolted to the half shaft - mechanical caliper?
im doing my corsa now, and ive bought some wilwood hydramechanical calipers. (brake calipers with mechanical handbrake. work out about £120 a pair i think from rally design
i may be able to get a number for someone who makes shafts and can ring to see they he could do something for you?
baby atlas's came off mk1 3ltr capris standard. but its trying to find one tbh without looking at quite a few £££
id look in retro ford, classic ford for adverts, classifieds etc
i still think your making it far harder than it needs to be
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Originally Posted by burgo
but you don't want to say without spilling your beans! lol
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Originally Posted by philip
I saw those calipers in the RD catolgue.
I'll probably stick with the english axle as its easier found and will be ok for 175bhp I'll be running and I can always upgrade to a quaiife diff.
If I kept the vaux brakes rear would I just use a set of 5 stud front discs and the a correctly spaced hydramechanical caliper?
I leave calling your mate for now as we are talking well over a year away and some kind of solution is bound to present itself but :beer:
well im using an astra gsi rear discs with the wilwoods on my corsa...ill let you know how i get onlol
well my thinking being you don't need the shoes etc so surely easier just to use a front disc or not maybe? lol I've never seen a escort setup in the flesh or detailed enough pics tbh.
the wilwoods only accept upto 12mm thick disc, so needs to be solid, so thats why im using the rear discs from the astra on the rear of mine with those calipers
The latest RD catolgue has a page about a new caliper they've designed themselves and are £69.50 and can take various disc sizes. 21/22, 23/24 & 35/36 I think they were. Nothing on their website tho. The page does say they were under development at the time of going to print so specs may vary.
All the GSi's ive stripped have had IRS too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benn
Wot about Nissan 200sx S14 SR20 lump box running gear etc.....stupidly easy to work on 200 ponnies out of the bag.
Hundreads of peeps in UK use em for drifting (me included) weld the diff away you go. Or use the std LSD still light em up or nismo diff etc....
Very, very reliable and 400bhp is esay to get from standard internals with about £2k thron at it! Would be different to all the ford ones out there.
youre thinking to difficult..
a R25 gearbox from an opel omega A 2.0i (isnt it a carlton in the uk?) fits straigt to a c20xe. and its a small short gearbox. i know, cause we used it for the SEH n my mates opel kadett C coupe.;) and that was a 1.2 originally, so it had the small tunnel.
loads of carltons on the scrappy's here, so easy to find another if you break it.
only thing to keep in mind is that there are 2 versions, cable and hydrolic clutch. iirc theres also an R28, but thats also hydrolic.
also, i'd use a manta 1.8s oil pan, and if you cant find the pick up pipe, an xe one is almost the same, you can sort that within seconds by bending it a little.
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Originally Posted by mayhem
Someone else mentioned using the omega box - is it only the 2ltr it was fitted too? Hydraulic isn't a problem as will probably convert to a floor mounted peddle box.
Ref using 200sx stuff, again its another option. I'd rather keep it vaux as much as possible tho tbh. Someone also said about using 924 running gear where the gearbox is acyually on the rear axle to help with weight.