i loved all the bits just scattered around the peugeot boot and floor, its like a spares shop in there, if ever you broke down i reckon he would have the bit in there somewherelolQuote:
Originally Posted by Gareth_C
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i loved all the bits just scattered around the peugeot boot and floor, its like a spares shop in there, if ever you broke down i reckon he would have the bit in there somewherelolQuote:
Originally Posted by Gareth_C
Your right there mate
What events will you be using the car for? Any idea of a target date for its first outing? or is it a case of when its ready its ready kind of thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareth_C
Still tho 244bhp in a little car like that is good and will be surprising plus leaves you room to improve if you think you need to in the future.
mike
Cheers mike. It will be out at the start of next year hopefully at the fast show at Santa poD.
Looking good mate! as yours is coming together mine is coming apart :)
Like that clutch and flywheel, thought you was sticking to single plate? if i have the money i might be changing that on mine as well for 5.25" ;)
Im looking forward to seeing at the fast show! i shall be there and hopefully quicker as i got beaten by a pug that pulled a 12.47!
Cheers mate. Why is yours coming to bits? I bought that setup baecause the price difference wasnt much and the option was dangled in front of me. Why a 5.25"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mincyballs
Didnt you run a 12.2 at USC???
Well its update time. Me and wwmnw cracked on this morning to trial fit the clutch assembly to get the measurements to figure out which hydraulic bearing is needed.
We started by weighting the old clutch and new clutch assembly. You might be suprised at the weight differences.
Old helix paddle clutch assembly and ttv flywheel
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/x...0/DSC03833.jpg
new AP clutch and ttv flywheel
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/x...0/DSC03834.jpg
Flywheel as it sat on the engine
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/x...0/DSC03835.jpg
clutch assembly as it sits on the crank
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/x...0/DSC03836.jpg
when we offered the box up and found when the gearbox bolts were nipped up the box fouled the clutch housing
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/x...0/DSC03837.jpg
Another
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/x...0/DSC03838.jpg
When speaking to steve we have come to the conclusion that running a alloy spacer between the box and block and power filing and touch of the case should do the trick. I have got loads more to update We just ran out of time to take the pics but ill try and do that while I make a template spacer tomorrow.
Cheers Gareth
get the grinder out!!!
As much fun as that would be, it might be a bit harshQuote:
Originally Posted by merris
Quite a weight saving there, bet your glad you went for that now, good value for weight lost i think!
How much clearance do you need mate? as in how thick is the spacer going to be?
mike
A 3mm spacer has been knocked up which should hopefully be enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by nova_mike
May have found out if I wasn't in a rush to be home for work.
Rick Draper and Gaz'd both had this problem using a twin plate on the fwd gearbox.
Good to see some progress on it
Have either of them posted their solutions on mig/vauxsport?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonlem
Ah rite hope its enough, how much can you space it out before you have to worry about the spigot shaft not protruding through the centre of the clutch plates? Take it theres a fair wack left.Quote:
Originally Posted by wwmnw
I'm not sure mate, will have to wait for Gareth to answer that but I don't think there was a lot left. The 3mm spacer should give plenty of room to stop the box fouling the clutch assembly though.Quote:
Originally Posted by nova_mike
Ah ok just asked as it looked not far off and wondered.Quote:
Originally Posted by wwmnw
Have to let me know the outcome and a pic of the spacer as its same setup im upgrading too.
Hi mike to get a good clearance I need ideally 4mm which means the input shaft splines are apporox 17mm through of the 20mm that the Plate thickness is which is why using the 3mm spacer then just smooth a bit off the bellhousing wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by nova_mike
Cheers
Cheers bud just glad this might be the light at the end of the tunnel. But as they say what doesn't kill you makes you stronger lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonlem
are you saying the input shaft splines won’t be fully through the clutch plate splines?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareth_C
In a nut shellate yes the splines could do with being about 3mm longer but the theroy that the clutch torque ratin is overkill on it so should be ok???Quote:
Originally Posted by lee303
hmm, not really in my eyes
i would not want to be running it with the input shaft not fully engaged with the clutch plates, as the clutch splines will be designed to deliver that torque over the whole width of a clutch plate, so you may find it rounds the end off the shaft, or the clutch plate splines themselves could fail, which is probably the more likely as they are fairly soft in comparison to the input shaft
why do you need a twin plate? as like you say the torque rating is ‘overkill’ a single with a decent spring rate would be plenty imo, and have room in the box
I see where your coming from mate. The only reason the clutch torque rating is way over is because it was either a 200ft lb option or a 310ft lb option iirc. Im using a twin plate alternavtive is because I had issues with my helix clutch and when I asked which clutch app was best they couldnt give me a straight answer with it being for circuits and quarter miles. I have followed guidence from I area rather than all over the place and this seemed to be the best option i chose really.
Cheers
i run a single plate helix 7.25 with a red spring, i only have 160 lb/ft and 230 bhp compared to you but i doubt a single with a slightly heavier spring would struggle, as red is the lightest option iirc, and the whole rotating assembly will be lighter that was too of course
Im not sure what to say mate its a lot of money to lose to change now :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by lee303
i bet, unless you can sell the twin plate on, i just think its going to cause you more hassle than its worth, even with things like the stroke of the hydraulic slave cylinder
Thats why im letting steve handle that side of it lolQuote:
Originally Posted by lee303
i’d just sell the twin plate and get a single, but its not my car, good luck with it anyway, nearly done!
Cheers bud
you may have to consider modifying the engine mount using a spacer too, as it will push the box over in to the wheel housing area, i must say it may be worth just checking the spec of a single plate 7.25" as one it will be lighter still and two if can take the ft/lb wich im sure it will, then it will mean no head scratching, you may even be able to box your's back up and send it back for exchange if you buy the single plate unit from the same company? just a thought.
Cheers mike I think that will have to be done yeah cheers
Just done a bit of digging for you, none of which is helpful towards working out IF this clutch will fit but does give a few pointers about both types of clutch/
Twin plate clutches are apparently in a lot of cases lighter than a single plate as the the housings are very heavily machined. Twins are apparently also better for high rpm gear changes and tend to give less shock on the transmission.
ALL read of the internet YO but some valid points tbh.
Most of what I have read is from owners of powerful turbo cars, none of this naturally aspirated slow rubbish lol
Could of sworn you said "ATMO engines ftw" somewhere :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonlem
twin plate will probably be 'lighter' in that the smaller diameter means less inertia, hence why an F1 clutch has about 4 plates and fits in the palm of your hand.
Dont get me wrong it might be better to stick with what you have as there maybe a simple solution but is worth having a quick think about all your option's before you go to mad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareth_C
Yes your correct mate a twin 5.25" would be lighter, dunno why i put a single would be lighter was one of those mind drifting moments lolQuote:
Originally Posted by MK999
Its probably heavier tbh, as it's extra stacked metal to a bigger depth, and twice the components, but lower inertia due to the diameter.
Cheers for the help guy I'll get on the phone to the tech guys at AP this morning and ask some question before it hers more expensive.
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by wwmnw
One day I'll have another but it will probably be a V8 ! For now whilst I own one turbo engines are the way forward lol
Turncoat. You wanna hang with with all the cool kids lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonlem
NAsp is where its at lol
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Gareth_C