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So where did we get to!!
Few things happened again. Pictures do the talking
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Having had the pedals in and trying to bleed them with little success, I've encountered the same problems as Iain, I've gone back to basics.
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Then bench bled it in the car
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No air bubbles in any of the clear tubes (note fixings need washers, these are just temp as are the lines, I've got the correct lines but waiting on copper washers for the banjo bolts)
Moved the reservoirs aswell to get them level and get more fluid in them.
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Found that during testing the pedal box was flexing when the brakes were pressed hard, I didn't like this so added some supports down to the floor.
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Bolted it to the supports aswell, no movement in the mounting plate now at all, much much happier with it. still cant get them to bleed up solid, next step is to loop the rears to the reservoir and concentrate on the fronts, I think there is air trapped in the line, just needs to be worked out with some more bleeding!! Almost impossible to do with just one person though so have to wait for help.
Other than that, all pretty much to plan, all electrics work apart from the water guage, reads really hot, which I think is an air lock, I need to download the program to allow me to look at the ECU data, I've tested the sensor in boiling water in a cup and it read 90 degrees so I think that works but ordered a new sender anyway. Oil pressure guage isn't working either, think I've busted the sender, new one ordered.
That's all for now!!
I had to strengthen the pedal box also ! On the standard brakes mine blead fine weird, had a small amount of trouble with the brembo
Yeah it's weird, standard M/c setup and the 4 pots were no trouble at all, this is next level, nearly 4 litres of brake fluid so far!! Can only assume there's air in it somewhere and it's just sucking back and forth when I pedal bleed it. I'll figure it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by kevster
Like what you did there for strength. These pedal boxes seem to be a nightmare.
I'm sure, as Iain has found the end result is more than worth it but it's a bit of a faff at the moment!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Benn
I have all this to come by the looks of it. I have an OBP universal kit car type pedal box to go in, as i am pushing the seat back to the B pillar. Sounds like its going to be fun!
Project looks great, will kee my eyes open for progress for sure.
There seems to be some quality build going on for sure, I hope mine can be classed that way one day.
Not sure I'd class anything I've done as quality but thanks!! hahaha
The mounting of the pedal box was a pain!! I think I could have got it hard against the bulkhead and in hindsight that's what I would have done. Get the top of the pedal box hard on the bulkhead and then make your brackets and stuff around that, one other issue to think of is the steering wheel, if you go hard against the B pillar then there's a highly likelyhood that your wheel will be too far away!! As for bleeding, bench bleed it fully and then repeat once it's in the car, make sure that the rest of the braking system stays the same as in discs and pads that worked on the old M/c that way you know any issues are with the pedal box and you're not chasing around the car.
As for progress today, BOOM got it bled somehow and even managed an MOT!!!!
So just some tax and we're road legal and ready to go. Prague on Tuesday for 2 weeks and then fingers crossed we can get a day in with Iain before he starts his new job!!
Team Shonky Vauxhall will be resuming regular service shortly.
Hell yes we will!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Iain
lol
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Originally Posted by House1983
Ref the steering wheel, I have a Corsa Epas system to go in and will be extending the column 'oval race' style to suit the seating/pedal position. Also running a Quaife internal shifter so the handbrake needs to sod off elsewhere and the gear lever go in that position somewhere.
Get that tax sorted!
Bring it to pvs then?
Its good to see the car is coming along so nicely, presumably you've got your newly built engine in it, or have you? Come on spill the beans, I need a juicy engine rebuild fix...
On the pedal box front, I feel I ought to stick my oar in because seemingly that is what I do. I notice the master cylinders lay over at an angle, a feature that is common to most of the floor mounted units. The problem as I see it is that in this configuration the outlet ports are not positioned at the top of the M/C bores, which means that air will remain in the M/C until such time as the cylinder is rotated to allow this admittedly minute amount of air to escape. This is somewhat exacerbated by the fact the cylinders are facing uphill with the outlet port at the bottom! Not good for pumping the air out of the system :cry:.
All is not lost however as I believe that one of the advantages of such an installation is that when the pedal is in the released position any air in the M/C will tend to migrate back out to the reservoir, however this will only happen if the M/C is in the upright (ports at the top) position.
So it might it not be worth releasing the M/Cs from the box and rotating them slightly anticlockwise to allow any minute amount air to work its way out? Could leave them in that position while you off slogging your guts out in some foreign clime :d. Hopefully you should have a solid pedal once you've re-affixed the M/Cs to the pedal box and them bled out the calipers, surely got to be worth a try?
Anyway I'll go away and get back in my box now...
Tax is being rolled tomorrow morning, cheap as chips!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mxcrazy
PVS booked my man!! Just not decided on drivin it there or trailering it!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Benn
Your input is always welcome Mr Tall. I can't rotate the cylinders, they're on fixed holes, I could tip the pedal box up I suppose but now that it seems to be working I'm inclined to leave it well alone!!! I do have to change the flexi lines to my proper ones so I'll be re-bleeding then!! Loads of fun!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TallDave
Doesn't matter what orientation master cylinders are, for both service & operation; they should always be bled hydraulically.
A one man brake bleeding kit that takes the pressure from a road wheel can be bought new for less than £20.
~ There's quite a lot happening off that pedal box; are you not tempted to put an F18 hydraulic clutch slave on?
Mr Ghost, having looked at all the issues Lee303 had with leaking slaves I wanna stick with cable.
I've got 3 different one man bleed kits, none of which worked. The only way I could do it was by tubing the solid pipes back to the resoviour and pumping the pedal over and over. I would guess that now th system is air free I could use a pressure bleeder. I need to find one with a cap that fits OBP resoviours
MOT
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The only issue were rear brakes not working to well from the pedal but a little bias adjustment solved that and side repeaters not working, that needs a little investigation, which i'll do when I take the wings off to hide some cables
On to today,
Speed sensor mounting
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Fully welded in place
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Little vid of it working, taken on a private road.
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This was the the biggest ballache ever, changing door pins, I did not enjoy it, so much so that the drivers one hasn't been done as it's not as bad!!!
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Mate of mine is gonna polish it next week, ordering my Quaife LSD on 15th and hopfeully Iain and I are fitting it before the hit Cadwell on 26th, assuming Iain can sort his engine issues.
I can't wait to look round this !
Mate, don't get your hopes up!! you'll be disappointed!! There's so much I'm not happy with!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by kevster
Looking good dude.
Thanks mate, I'll appreciate your eye at PVS, I'm sure there'll be a few little bits you can point me right on!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Benn
Lol have you seen mine lolQuote:
Originally Posted by House1983
I've got mates in Worthing, well Findon, I'll give you a shout when I'm down and drop in for a mince!!Quote:
Originally Posted by kevster
No worry fella my workshop is like a holding for novas now days lolQuote:
Originally Posted by House1983
Only just missed this date too!!! Only the LSD to fit!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Iain
New black Roose hoses fitted, the proper XE nova conversion hoses too, so the bottom hose now avoids the clutch release arm and the top hose isn't stretched.
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With grill, dare I say it, ready for PVS!!!!
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Ok with it, still lots I don't like. Hoping for Cadwell on 26th, got some alloy brake reservoirs on order, hoping I'll be able to attach the pressure bleeder and get some real pressure into the system and bleed it through again as I'm not completely happy with the braking.
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When mines back on the road i'll come over!Quote:
Originally Posted by kevster
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Originally Posted by Benn
Yeah more the better I say lol
Yay!
An eventful few days!!
Popped to see Connor (Conza) last night to collect a little something.
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Happy with what I paid, just need to get it in now!!
Whilst trying to cut a bolt off that was locked together, so we could get it in the car, I managed to do this
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Bad Hackysawrus Rex, I wouldn't normally have bothered with A&E but it was still bleeding after 2 hours, apparently I'd cut a blood vessel or something.
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All fixed and good to go!! They wanted to X-ray and stitch stich but it was 12.30 and I'd have had to wait another 2 hours for all that, so I just said "patch me up and send me out the door"
But before all this happened and while I was still a 2 handed car wrecking machine.
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Little pressie from Quaife.
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Only took about an hour to fit, put it in without the crown wheel first to set the bearings (on Iain's advice) then bolted it all up and filled it with oil and test drove, bish bash bosh, different car!!! Able to power on mid corner now, completely different driving style but one I'm very happy to get used to!!!
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This final hose completed the removal of the awful yellow hoses!! It's only taken me 2.5 years to get rid of them!!
Took the car to see my old man
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Love seeing it parked up!!
I also realised it was time to address a bit of an issue I've had since Donny last year, a rumbling grinding noise that I couldn't find!!
I finally nailed it down to wheel bearings again!! It appears that I've put the outer CV's and king nuts on wrong, the little spacer washer, I believed was simply to help get the nut out far enough to get a split pin in, but it is meant to go between the CV and the wheel bearing and not on the nut side as I had fitted them!! School boy error!!!
What's happened is the CV, when tightened, actually pinched onto the back of the machined down hub and not the back of the bearing, had I put the spacer in correctly then the CV would have been hard against the inside of the bearing.
As I'm sure we all know, the bearings are in 2 halves, and basically the front (outside) half was taking all the load and the rear (inisde) none at all, this has resulted in the inner part of the bearing actually machining the hub down, it literally falls in and out of the bearing now!! So, new hubs ordered, Iain is sourcing new bearings and whacking them into spare knuckles, then I'm up to his Wednesday evening with the car on the trailer, throw the hubs in and knuckles on and the Mallory Friday morning.
Nothing like a shonky last minute repair before a track day.
Erm what? The big washer should go on the nut side. It sits in the middle dip bit of the hub, with the nut doing up on to it. Shouldn't be on the rear. Sounds like you have the same thing i've had a few times. I use abs cv joints as they are a little different and sit right.
Hoses are much better, interested to see how you get on with the Quaife, as i'm not a fan of mine.
Nah the spacer one for big block bodging
What? What spacer?
Welcome to the forums Benn have you had a Nova long?
There's a thin washer that can go on the outer CV to space it away from the knuckle.
I've heard of people putting the thick one that should sit under the castle nut on the other side, i've never got why.
But never heard of a spacer you put on that side of the bearing. Like ever.
LMF hubs and shafts are supplied with a spacer that goes on the cv side of the bearing aswell
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Originally Posted by Benn
Yep, my LMF hubs came with thin spacers Iain mentions above, I just screwed up!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by josh-sri
Lesson learned
I've already had a close call off a roundabout!! haha powered on, not really concentrating, expecting the understeer to take me off on the desired exit and ended up going back round the roundabout!! Will take some getting used to but I like it already, haven't really given it any proper beans as I've been concerned about the noise mentioned above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benn
What don't you like about it Benn?!
Hmm this is an interesting one as I'm always thinking about that outer CV on the near side due to my ride height. bringing the CV inboard with the washer on the inside will only increase the already acute angle shortening the distance it is from the gearbox; as long as the CV doesn't lock against the knuckle then it's fine. This is a slight modification to the knuckles that should be done when machining for the larger OD bearings.
...I've got ATB fun to come for the first time, as soon as it's back together & can't wait!