How catty is that comment? Jealousy will get you no where mate
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How catty is that comment? Jealousy will get you no where mate
I think that's a bit silly to say, as it's not who does the work, it's how good the thread is etc, i dont think there is many on here who could do ALL the work to there cars, some can granted.Quote:
Originally Posted by bmw156
Scott
It's not always about the graft though, without ideas a project is nothing. Ste please tell me that you had ideas for this or I'll look a tit lol
Just read though this whole thread, amazing attention to detail and high quality of work. Really impressed! Thread subscribed :)
I'm not sure whether that comment was necessary. Its the best WIP not the best work carried out by some one and documented in a WIP thread, if generally people found this thread better and more enjoyable to read than mine then it deserves to win simple as.Quote:
Originally Posted by bmw156
Ste well done mate and a top wip it is too :thumb:
lol Yeah i had ideas, tonys tweaked them as obviousley he knows the right/wrong way of doing things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Southie
I openly admit i dont have the skills nor the equipment to fabricate this car. Buying the engine second hand rather than building it is far more viable, this isnt a no expense spared build.
I will be making the loom, plumbing in brakes, coolant, fuel and oil system. I have made changes to the engine ie adding dry sump.
If anthing ever needed maching i.e rose joint inserts, bushes hub carriers i do all this and some basic tiging at work.
Admitidley i havnt taken photos and documented everthing that has been done not really my thing. i just like to stick photos up to show people whats being built.
And when it comes to building the car up i will be doing it with tony. basically the putting all the suspension on, engine/gearbox in etc.
Thats what shocked me, i actually didnt know people voted on this sort of thing but i genuinely would of expected yours to get more votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Count Vaux Alot
Lets hope all these projects are finished in 2010 and we get some trrack time together. (EDIT that sounds gay lol)
Indeed mate heres to seeing these cars on track in 2010
I can see where he is coming from, but then again, I am doing everything for mine, but paintwork, I am going no where near it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Count Vaux Alot
Like I will be stood 300FT from it when he paints it for me!
So I guess mine isnt all my own work, but all the welding/bashing/engine workings are mine!
Choice of stereo is the gf, as is the stripped or interior choice lol
all i can say is wow. well done mate it will look so mint when it done
the comment wasnt said as a dig, i just cant see the logic.
when there are other people, you count being one, who are doing 90% of the work your self if not 100%. and many others. and there is very small credit given.
yeh ste i fully understand everyone has boundries in what they can and cant do. we all do. it is no way a dig at you, but why does someone who does some mechanical work, and takes pics and has a fair amount of money. get the best WIP.
like i said. ste this isnt a dig at you, or what your doing.
/\ fair enough, but like i said the vote said what the vote said so thats that.
It does seem like you have some issues, you try to pull this thread apart at any given instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by bmw156
There are very very few wip threads where the person has done all the fabrication, built there own engine, painted the car and assembled it all.
For me, this wip isn't necessarily the most informative in the sense of step by step guide of what was done, or frequently updated like how iainel or counts are but I think the admiration comes from the fact its so radical. Most wips on here are mostly fairly similar, just another XE trackcar for example, where this is quite out the box and most people were probably petting themselves quite heavilly after the last bunch of pics.
I want to take nothing away from any other wips as everyone adds there own little touches that makes there cars stand out and thats what its all about. This car just sets the bar.
My 2p.
^ i agree, for me its a bit of everything. But pushing the boundarys and doing stuff other haven't makes a great wip.
Ste's doing something no one else has done.
lol i dont have issues. i was given my 2p about what i thought. what would be the point in spending loads of money if its ****e in the end. i have freedom of speechQuote:
Originally Posted by Ben
yes simps. he is setting a new standard and being radical. maybe thats why he won the best WIP. i agree its a good thread with good craftmans ship and good documentation.
p.s im not going to loose sleep tonight over wha is or isnt being done on the project. i just question things that dont look right.
Can we let Ste's WIP get back on track now lol
Updates???
:d yeh. updates are goodQuote:
Originally Posted by Southie
stop hating en let the ultimate nova build continue.
meh lol
seems like this ones opened up a can of worms.
Less time spent on the internet and more time spent on Ste's car please :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by blacktopcustomsuk
With the wheels what was the original idea with having wheels wider at the back than front? How would it have affected the handling??
Crackin work :cool:
lol
The idea of wider back than fronts was mine and has been scrapped due to not really giving any advantages lol
After a bit of reading wider doesnt always = better grip so 7j are being used all round.
dont really know how to put this but .
wow !!!!!!
hat off to ya dude !
thanks kevin
lol not that im shooting you down, but surly more rubber on the floor always = more grip.
it would give more advantages in a RWD drive car as all the power is in the rears.
on a flip note, does that mean FWD cars should have wider fronts lol
awaits the fook off comments lol
Yes it does, that's why wider wheels don't always give you more grip. There's an optimum width for a set vehicle weight, obviously things like sidewall stiffness come into it, but basically the wider a wheel, the wider side to side, and the thinner front to back the contact patch becomes due to the fact the weight of the vehicle squashes the tyre against the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by bmw156
a wide track has it's up's and down's but dont hold me to it ! lol
anyway this build is just as good as nick's , keith's,
and the fabrication is neer on par to the god austin ,:)
track width is the distance between the 2 wheels, not the width of either? Not sure which you meant. Pretty much anything you can change on a car has it's ups and downs, as they say you never get something for nothing.
just googled, and got this. seems interesting.
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"We race a Formula car (Reynard) with 6 inch front and 8 inch rear..here is a recap of discussions about going to 8 inch front and 10 inch rear.
Downside of larger tires
More rolling resistance.
Harder to get heat in them.
More aero drag.
More unsprung weight.
Bigger wheels = heavier wheels and more rolling mass = equal or even slower lap times. The wider wheels (tires) have no proven advantage at all.
1 - The cars will accelerate slightly slower because of the greater MOI of the heavier wheels and tires.
2 - The cars will be a bit slower in a straight line because of the extra drag.
3 - Assuming that there is a diameter difference ( I honestly don't know - never looked at the spec comparisons), geometry may be adversely affected - camber curves may need to be VERY different.
4 - If the car was at max width with the smaller tires, with the wider tires offset inwards to match the max width, scrub radiuses will be adversely affected. Without making major changes to the upright geometry, this will necessitate caster changes that may be out of the range of available adjustment
5 - If the wider tires are used on a car that wasn't already at max width, the above doesn't apply, assuming that the center of the contact patch can be placed at the same widths, though caster changes may still be necessary for decent steering effort.
6 - If the tires have to place all their extra width inboard, suspension interference can become an issue, especially front lock availability. Front wing interference might also become an issue on many cars.
7 - Differences in lateral and vertical tire spring rate will necessitate different springs and shock valving ( already necessary because of the greater unsprung weight). These differences might also necessitate changes to the RC heights.
There's a lot more, but you should get the gist of what I'm saying : Just throwing on a wider set of tires proves NOTHING one way or the other. It is ONLY when the car gets optimized (which might necessitate cutting and welding) for the wider tires that you can start to get legitimate answers.
Aero footprint-wise, one of the biggest factors is the width of the contact patch, and therefore the width of the high pressure wedge of air that is being pushed just ahead of it. Wider = more drag (and lift). Some old SAE papers actually show that both ( drag and lift) can be decreased almost linearly with grooves in the tread, but obviously at the expense of contact patch area. Overall width played a larger role than height, but the percentage differences were small. The shape of the shoulder ( how square or round) played a major role.
The wheel design also will play a major role in aero drag - try a spin coast down test with different designs and you'll be in for a surprise.
The next big factor will be getting heat in the rubber - generally a bit harder to do with the bigger tires as the unit loading of the contact patch is decreased - but this can be overcome quite a lot with the right shock valving, and gets helped big time when the track temps are sky-high - when the skinny tires are more prone to over-heating unless you go to harder compounds. Fat tires will generally allow the use of much softer compounds, even in the high heat situations. Under these conditions, the fat tires will almost assuredly have a big advantage at tight, twisty tracks."
IIRC there comes a point were increased surface area does not equal increased grip, i'm sure there is an equation. Something to do with pressure per square inch, as the contact area increases past a certain point the grip actually decreases or something like that lolQuote:
Originally Posted by bmw156
Theres so much to take into account when choosing tyres. Compounds, wall stiffness/height this then effects spring rates and damper settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by t45_ste
Also drag, having a nice wide sticky wheel on the back is going to increase drag. As iv said befor though, it is all a learning curve.
I decided to go for a fairly obtainable size 7j, i can then work from there as the price of wide wheels in the correct offset and stud pattern is just too much for me at the moment.
does look cool tho...
thats what i meant dude :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by MK999
Gets more responsive/twitchier as it gets bigger in relation to the wheelbase, that's pretty much the up and downside in one... depends how quick your driver is lolQuote:
Originally Posted by kevster
Lol
:gay:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Simps
I just found you RML works coilovers whilst Googling lol.
Nice find! I echo all other comments on here. Fantastic build mate. Any updates?
i though we were getting an up date :(
dam you
Put the wallpaper down and post another spunky update:cool:
I can't believe this thread has been going so long and I haven't noticed it!
The car is incredible, the workmanship put in looks to be top notch too. Should be a very interesting car to see on a track.
Hat's off to everyone involved with this build so far.