Curborough Sprint Report: 15/06/08

[trackdaynova]

bad news guys :( :cry:

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/OllyWriteOff.jpg

says a thousand words

[Paul]

****

[craig green]

You rolled it?

[Paul]

im hoping he hasn't, but from what he's said....

[Ste L]

:eek:

[Dar]

Oh ****!

[Martin]

ouch!... any after pics?

i know what its like to go that far, and then go even father over before you kno it youve rolled 3times and your on ya roof


hope it stayed the right way up

[trackdaynova]

Full vid here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF9kwb3ifDA

[Paul]

you bastid, had us all worried!

[Martin]

phew well kept olz..

[Adam]

PMSL lol :p

Was a proper **** your pants moment, and we weren't even driving lol lol

[MC]

Engine is too heavy! lol

[Ste L]

FCUK that was lucky :eek:

[Ste L]

Engine is too heavy! lol


if it was a small block it would of gone over - extra weight helped :p lol

[Dar]

lol

[Adam]

A Clio then showed Olly how it should be done!


















http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN1038Medium.jpg

[Martin]

oh dear.. oly can we get a unsal report from you please, would like to read more into what happend etc..

[Dar]

Yeah Olly learn from the Fench. Half ****d attempt:p
Well caught though:thumb:

[MC]

if it was a small block it would of gone over - extra weight helped :p lol

A recent journal published in the 'New Scientist' stated that numerous national studies have shown a considerable elevation of the centre of gravity in the Opel Corsa A when genetically modified with the mutant 20XE gene. :D

[MC]

Olly, you need to get the car in for a full motorsport suspension and geometry setup! lol

[Jonlem]

if it was a small block it would of gone over - extra weight helped :p lol

lol lol lol :thumb:

Good effort Olz, could of been proper nasty.

[CP]

lol

you've got to feel for the clio driver tho:eek:

[paul james]

Wow, that lifted up a hell of a lot, very impressive but please don't try it again!

[Adam]

Few pics i got:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN1024Medium.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN1046Medium.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN0988Medium.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN0987Medium.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN0986Medium.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN0984Medium.jpg
QED 20xe ALLOY block :cool:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN0985Medium.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN1023Medium.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN0983Medium.jpg

Cool as fook AX
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN0996Medium.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN0997Medium.jpg

[Adam]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN0992Medium.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN0991Medium.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN0990Medium.jpg

Old skool
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN1003Medium.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN1017Medium.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN0999Medium.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN1029Medium.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN0964Medium.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN0969Medium.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/DSCN0963Medium.jpg

[LiquidPug]

Loving the old skool Beemer :cool: - didn't see that unfortunatly

[John]

Well saved olz! applause deserved imo!

[nathan.]

Holy ****. lol.

I remember benji doing exactly that at curborough.

Brown pants moment Olly??

[chris gsi]

i looked at the first pic and thought nooooooo
just have to try and get the stains out your pants now

[Ian]

Engine is too heavy! lol
Dan has seen the light, won't be long before you do too. :p

[Lee]

Any too much castor gen? lol Traction roll FTW. I waqs in EXACTLY the same situation in my old blue ones last outing when I came off at bobbies and hit a rut on the infield. Went up to the point of no return and luckily it came back down again.

Olly wont have shat his knickers during that incedent as it happens too fast. He will have been emptying his bowels on the drive back to the paddock instead lol.

Very well held me old fruitcake, im wondering if the outcome would have been the same without El Quicko Racko?

[ELLIS GSI]

better look than the clio. lol

[dhdev (Oli)]

A recent journal published in the 'New Scientist' stated that numerous national studies have shown a considerable elevation of the centre of gravity in the Opel Corsa A when genetically modified with the mutant 20XE gene. :D
LMFAOROFLCOPTER lol

It was definately an eventful day out! ;)

[dhdev (Oli)]

Apologies for my bad language in that video :(

[Benn]

Thought i knew the voice in the vid, guess i didnt.

You did well there dude to regain it.. Gave me a twitch.. you must have had a full on brown alert.

[trackdaynova]

Thanks for all the comments everyone, it was a bit of a "oh sh.t" moment, but I was more annoyed the fact it happened. I think the incar vids show that I do clip the inner camber of the kerb on the molehill, as you hear the slight rumble before it lifts

The slow drive back was me being a bit sheepish, but I was kinda thanking that didn't try and make the corner, and I decided to bail out into the infield.

I will do a full report in my usual manner, but I'm still entertaining guests (nova ian & kat) so will do it tomorrow, hopefully it will be an enjoyable read for you guys.

[trackdaynova]

Lee - goes without saying that it would have definately rolled without the quickrack, as the reaction time was there, but the urgency of the rack wouldn't have been

[Adam]

Few pics from my vid :eek::eek:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/Olly1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/Olly2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Curborough%20sprint-15th%20June%202008/Olly3.jpg

[MC]

You're normally proud of tripod action...........feg me!

[m17tty]

some ace pics there but as already said it was a sh1t you pants moment for all who were there.Glad it turned out as it did though.

The beemer in the background of the elise pic ended up having a marqee thing blow onto it and it raped the wind and left a massive dent!!!!! Sadly no pics though!!!!!

Had a good day all in all with the probs with your nova though it was a bit of a less enjoyable day mate as i like to see you do well.

Get the facet and pump sorted and youll be half way there!

[Adam]

Two vids, cba upload them to google/you tube as they resize them right down.
So uploaded them to my Sky account so there downloadable :)
Link should work fine


http://storeandshare.sky.com/invite/login?c=313231333337363333383132363136323030305449 443138373937&i=2d01-11a5f3255f9-sky_gemini1&t=493794172d27188a&r=mg&lang=en

[trackdaynova]

Thanks for the vids Ad - I see I was cocking a leg up around the molehill on my personal best run too :( grrr

[Adam]

Yup, it just seems something that cannot be avoided really.

Seems all similar sized light-weight hatch backs do it(those clios/106s are a similar size and they did it too....)

[Lee]

You're normally proud of tripod action...........feg me!

I was gonna say, Dan will be peeved as his current record of both the iside wheels being off the floor an inch or so has been royally smashed lol

[trackdaynova]

lol

In car footage being uploaded now :thumb: :(

Oh - and my new PB run, which is quick but not particulary smooth

[Adam]

I was gonna say, Dan will be peeved as his current record of both the iside wheels being off the floor an inch or so has been royally smashed lol
Pathetic lol lol

[trackdaynova]

lol lol lol

Whilst rendering my videos to upload my in car vids, I discovered something rather funny... lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlCZvK8ABuo

[trackdaynova]

In car personal best run of 35.92 @ 93mph

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AbEDl2FzJs

[Lee]

Uber turn in :o

[Lee]

I was commenting on how well it was turning in :)

[trackdaynova]

bingo bango, I now think, looking back between that video, and my previous time at Curborough, that alot of my rear end action (lol) was due to my quickrack

as at the end of that straight, if you watch my previous PB time of 36.66, I also slide, but because there is less steering involved, obviously the car doesn't move as much... just something I have to get used to I suppose

[Adam]

Foooook me.
That circuit is tight as FOOK.
It looks even narrower from inside the car,Lol.

That 1st corner doesn't look that tricky from a spectators point of view either lol
But is quite tight when driving it.

[LiquidPug]

lol lol lol

Whilst rendering my videos to upload my in car vids, I discovered something rather funny... lol


Cheers Olz - I think I was trying to tell you how to to take the left hander properly :p

Can't remember what we were talking about tbh, but did you like my 'pretend' car with the right-hand gear stick :wtf:

All together - :gay:

[trackdaynova]

I'm with ya Steve-o :bullsht: :gay: lolz

Adam - tis only a 9ft wide circuit all the way around apart from finish straight... and yes - the first corner at around 80mph is kinda twitchy lol

Oh - its uploaded now, in car 'lift' vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rU7p7GzQI0

You can see how slow I was going in comparison to my PB vid aswell :(

Got a bruised knuckle today from punching the metal part of my steering wheel @ 0:44s in the vid lol

Added: you can hear the kerb contact at the late part of 0:23s too

[Adam]

Yep, definently wacked the kerb.

That run was a lot more smooth though, until the incident, would of been interesting see what sort of time it was compared to the practice time

[trackdaynova]

smooth = slow imo lol

[MC]

Car actually looks like it wasn't handling too bad. I am much happier when the rear end is loose! You could try stiffening the front a little and/or softening the rear to bring the balance back a little. I note that you have a large gulf between front and rear poundage! (snigger....rear poundage...snigger!!!!)

MC

[trackdaynova]

well, Jonboy likes a bit of rear poundage, thats the only person I know lol

Whats the large gulf you speak of? the proper sized engine? lol

[dhdev (Oli)]

Car actually looks like it wasn't handling too bad. I am much happier when the rear end is loose!
MC
Agreed that a lively **** end makes for a quicker FWD car.
I reckon the car is quicker now (a ragged 35.92 kinda proves that), Olz just needs to reign in his aggressive style and there'll be at least a 34s lap there. I think he felt more at home with the safer old setup, which allowed him to throw the car about (feeling faster) without biting back too much.

[trackdaynova]

and now it bites back, harder than ever!

whoever wants to come and watch the next antics, the next sprint is on Sunday 13th July, and its a double-lapper... which means 2x molehills per outting... how cool lol

[stevei]

that was truley a 'brown stripe moment' . shame its not like GTA4 were your awarded for time on 2 wheels! car sounds awsome btw

ste

[MC]

Agreed that a lively **** end makes for a quicker FWD car.
I reckon the car is quicker now (a ragged 35.92 kinda proves that), Olz just needs to reign in his aggressive style and there'll be at least a 34s lap there. I think he felt more at home with the safer old setup, which allowed him to throw the car about (feeling faster) without biting back too much.

Agreed.

[Adam]

and now it bites back, harder than ever!

whoever wants to come and watch the next antics, the next sprint is on Sunday 13th July, and its a double-lapper... which means 2x molehills per outting... how cool lol Cool, thats more goes around it to perfect that corner then :)

Yes smooth may feel slower, but quick and smooth, rather than full bore and ragged is the way to go about it imo.
You may be able go quicker through certain corners, but if it sets the car into a slide then your loosing time..... compared to keeping the car stable/on the quickest line possible?

[scott.parker]

lol **** me Olz the out car video looks nasty,but in car it didn't look as bad,but to have been in the car would of been scary as fook! Fair play to not rolling it mate.

Scott

[Jonlem]

well, Jonboy likes a bit of rear poundage, thats the only person I know lol
lol

:gay:

:p :p :p :p :p

[trackdaynova]

I might reduce the poundage of rear springs down to 300lb, which'll make it 300 allround then

[Martin]

13th is billing weekend mate iirc

[trackdaynova]

Ahh yeah so it is... :thumb:

[MC]

I wouldn't drop the rear poundage, I'd raise the front.

MC

[trackdaynova]

For the sake of £12 a spring, I'm going to buy some 4" 2.5ID 300lbs and see how I like it.

At the end of the day, i've gone from 150lb standard rears, to 450lbs, which is 3x the poundage... so I'm going to cut the difference in half - and see how I like the handling characteristics then.

As I've recently said, I know 'rule of thumb' says one thing, but it doesn't cater for everyones driving style, and needs.

As I, and everyone else knows I'm not the smoothest of drivers, but the lack of fear and the size of my balls helps counteract this the majority of the time.

However, I am up for trying some new things, smoothness etc - so its a case of sucking, and see...ing...

[LiquidPug]

....how does small balls help?? :D

[LiquidPug]

Seriously, try not to change too many things at once, otherwise you won't know what adjustment has made a change for the worse/better.

Get it set back up, drive it for a bit and get used to it - then change the springs and see if you like it better. Don't think you had enough time before Curborough to get used to the car and give it a chance.

Meah - but what do I know :thumb:

[MC]

Yes but, stiffening the front will redress the balance, give you back the smoothness and increase grip on track. We run 400lb front and rear. Balance is superb.....in the dry. Basically you need to be as stiff (snigger) as possible for the given surface and then move the balance forward and backward with alterations to basic geometry, weight and stiffness (snigger).

i.e. If you have a rock hard perfectly balanced car with neutral drift and you stiffen the front a little more you enduce more understeer. If you stiffen the rear you'll get oversteer. If you get the chassis just right you'll achieve this by adjusting the damper settings, thats how subtle it can be.

As said above, we run 400lb front and rear wich naturally oversteers, but we have a soft compound rear tyre and a medium compound front.

I would also add that a few 36sec sprints are not the best way to assess this, you need to do some track days where you can make all of these changes and put in some decent laps to learn whats going on.

Our car is/was slightly loose at the rear, but you can hold it by burying the throttle more and pulling through the corner.

[trackdaynova]

....how does small balls help?? :D

says mister white knuckles lol

nah, i know not to change too much, i'm returning to jamsport on 3rd july, and it'll give me time to get used to it before the double lapper.

i will buy the new rear springs anyway.

the open pit evening donny night will be great for test, so we'll take some pens and paper to note suspension stiffness, ride height etc, come in, change stuff, go back out, etc etc

[trackdaynova]

The problem is, I don't want to cater my car for the dry only, as I don't want it to turn into a one trick pony, ie: good in perfect conditions only.

At the moment, well, before my 450 rears, in the wet it was phenominal, and I don't want to compromise that for dry excellence, at the end of the day - we live in the UK - which isn't a great start lol

I hear what you're saying, and I take it all on board, I might go up on the poundage at the front, and have the rears to match, but I don't want to make it so stiff that in the wet it handles like a dog.

Maybe 350s allround, but we'll see - as said - one thing at a time.

I will be getting shorter front springs for sure, for clearence on the inside of the 888s for one, and secondly for the unsprung weight advantage :thumb:

[LiquidPug]

what about wide arch conversion? Can then widen the track and drop it lower as well with out fear of scrubbage

[trackdaynova]

well already looking for wide fronts, still in limbo about fibreglass items...

that way I will be able to lower the COG even more, run a wider track at the front, will again, increase the stability within corners.

widening the rear is somewhat more complicated (i think)

i've already lowered the COG by moving my driving position back down to the lowest setting (as i had raised it a notch or two)

ps: msn homo

[MC]

Change your springs before returning to Jamsport.......Corner weights will change.

MC

[trackdaynova]

OK will do! :thumb:

I'll order them tomorrow, along with new rears.

Currently are 8" 300lb fronts, do you reckon 6" 400lbs will suffice? and rears? I will keep 4", but what poundage... I'm thinking 350lbs now...

[Martin]

well already looking for wide fronts, still in limbo about fibreglass items...



get some old(spare) wings a grinder a welder.. and some sheet metal

make your own.. i wanna do this but cant aford a welder at present.. will be doing a step by step guide if/when i do..

[trackdaynova]

I see a problem with ordering shorter springs for the front, to get the clearence from the inside of my 888s

The height adjusters are almost at the top of the threads currently on 8", so having 7" or 6", will drop the car reletively... but then higher poundage will reduce droop which means running lower might not be a problem... arrgggghhhh more suck it and see! lol

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q161/neocapture/Shocks.jpg

:( suggestions?

I know that GAZ coilovers have threads right up to the top of the shock, which is what I could do with...

[The Simps]

can you not run a spacer ol?

as far as wings go, how about running round arches as you'll get more clearance (what I like about my coupe)

[trackdaynova]

ohhh I like your thinking (http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showpost.php?p=891083&postcount=1152)

Already asked for a side on photo of a 3door, with 4door or saloon arches to see how it looks, I know its very 'not me' worrying about looks... but I'm still curious :)

Spacer being where? to widen the track? or to make car sit higher with shorter springs?

[The Simps]

spacer on the hub. I had a pair machined up from an old disc so the bolt holes were perfect and it also had the hole for the locating screw and fitted a longer screw. Will give more spring clearance then.

As far as looks - just imagine thiws with the boot lopped off! Any hand on the screen gen? lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/28-05-083.jpg


Alternatively as a rough guide, how Chips nova looks with the round arches (I know they're wider).

I really don't think it will look horrific.

Otherwise the only way you're going to get lower is modify your existing arches or change tyres. I know that ao48r's have a straighter sidewall, but are obviously more expensive than the 888s.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/30-05-082.jpg

[nova ian]

ABRAAA CAADABRAAAAlol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v314/cruisindude/round-arch.jpg

[trackdaynova]

ohhhhhh I like... *goes to wanted section* lol

Thanks Yan!

[BRoadGhost]

you need helper springs now olly like I have on mine with shorter springs

[Benn]

Cools funky with the round arches...

[Martin]

tbh i think it would be easier to do what i said(up there^^^^^)..


But Heres a pic for reference perposes..

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b367/Martain_novalicious/6-joerg-01.jpg

[The Simps]

might be worth doing what MC has done and move the rack mount up to.

[MC]

If one was being picky, you could say that CP did it, but I'll take the credit!

[The Simps]

If one was being picky, you could say that CP did it, but I'll take the credit!

i knew it was one of you but couldn't remember which and was too lazy to look it up! lol