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BBC Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7270751.stm)
Just read that.
Ok, woman kills cyclist because she was texting on her phone. Tut tut, deserves a jail sentence.
Wait a minute.
Jordan Wickington, 19, died from head injuries when he went through a red light and was struck by Kiera Coultas' car
Cyclist shot a red light. Ok, so he's silly for breaking the law, but the driver still deserves a hefty fine and ban at least for not concentrating and hitting the cyclist.
Following the crash, Mr Wickington, of Netley, Hampshire, who had not been wearing a helmet, was taken to Southampton General Hospital where he later died
Cyclist wasn't wearing a helmet. Ok, so he's stilly for breaking the law and not taking any ounce of care about his personal safety. But the driver still deserves a rap on the knuckles at least for not concentrating and hitting the cyclist.
"In this particular incident, it transpired from a phone analysis that there was phone use close to the time of the incident."
Close to. CLOSE TO
CLOSE TO THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT.
I do not see mention of the word "At". Not AT the time of the incident, CLOSE to the time of the incident. So we can probably deduce she, in fact, WASN'T using her phone at the time.
So a cyclist shot a red light and got himself killed, yet the driver gets jailed for four years with a five year ban (I'm assuming thats active after she comes out the nick, as how do you drive in prison? lol). Yes, she's silly for using her phone whilst driving. But was that really the cause?
Seriously. WTF.
craig green
29-02-08, 12:45 PM
One of them instances where the real outcome may never come out & only the driver will know the whole truth about phone use etc.
As a cyclist heres my opinion. I'd bet a fiver thaif the driver didnt have the phone in her posession, the accident wouldnt have happened. I also think if the cyclist were wearing a helmet, he'd be alive but in a cabbaged state.
Better off dead tbh.
IMO the driver should be punished, involved in an accident that resulted in a death whilst possibly using a mobile at the wheel....? FFS!
...and this takes the proverbial biscuit.
From an earlier report on the incident, the BBC printed a quotation from the deceased cyclist's sister:
"He was a bright, intelligent and beautiful person who will be sorely missed by everyone who knew him."
He clearly wasn't that "bright" and "intelligent" if he went cycling out on the road without a helmet on AND SHOT A FSCKING RED LIGHT!!!! What did he expect, all the cars to just bounce off him?!?!
"We are pleased with the outcome of this trial and hope Jordon's death will prevent or deter others from using their mobile phones whilst driving."
Yes, because we'll now all be far too busy looking for kamikaze lemmings on pushbikes!
AAAAARRRRRGHHH!
Matt2107
29-02-08, 01:16 PM
Takes the piss.
I bet he didn't have lights (if it was at night) either.
Police are having a major crackdown in Oxford City centre as there are tons of scummy students who cycle around with no lights on. Fixed penalty fine IIRC.
I do my part... every time I see a cyclist without lights I wind down the window and shout "Get some lights you ****ing knob" :D
Takes the piss.
I bet he didn't have lights (if it was at night) either.
Police are having a major crackdown in Oxford City centre as there are tons of scummy students who cycle around with no lights on. Fixed penalty fine IIRC.
I do my part... every time I see a cyclist without lights I wind down the window and shout "Get some lights you ****ing knob" :D
I once reversed an artic into a college entrance in Cambridge, which had hazards flashing, side marker lights on & a bloke trying to stop the traffic & a student still managed to ride down the pavement & hit the side of the trailer at speed, his attempt to tell me off was hilarious.......but fell on deaf ears... The man at the college said 'all these clever students are effing stupid really!'
i heard this on the news this afternoon - i think 4years jail is rather harsh, she was involved in an accident and someone died but it wasnt entirely her fault
craig green
29-02-08, 02:27 PM
I fail to see why the cyclist is wrong for not wearing a helmet. Its not the law like seatbelts are in cars.
As for shooting Red lights, tut tut very naughty. Cyclists do this because its a lot of effort to get back up to speed from stopping. That doesnt make it OK but a ''switched on cyclist'' ought to know the dangers & what hazards to look out for, aswell as showing courtesy when breaking the highway code. I know I do & have never suffered an incident.
Like I wrote before, if he had a helmet on he'd probably be eating meals through a straw for the rest of his life.
You'd be surprised, helmets can offer a vast amount of protection, around 88% less chance of head injury and 66% less chance of facial injury. Apparently the only reason the DfT hasn't made helmets compulsory is because the government is scared it will put people off using their bikes and make it seem like an "anti-green" policy!
Anybody not wearing one when playing with traffic (i.e. cycling on the road) is asking for trouble. Incidentally, a cyclist is considered a "road user" so must adhere to the highway code and enforcable laws that govern the road - you can get done for "drunk cycling", and its illegal to cycle on the pavement for example.
I'd bet ?5 that he'd still have been hit and killed if she WASNT on the phone tbh... sounds like if hes willing to run red lights and not wear a helmet (yeah its not the law but how about commong ****ing sense!!) then the poor woman still would have stood no chance of avoiding him.
He died through fault of his own, as per Stuarts post^ cyclist versus car (wether car driver was texting or not) is never a pretty outcome.
I got hit by a Cavalier whilst on my BMX when i was nipper, Cav was doing 55mph+ & i went straight through the windscreen/leading edge of roof skin....yes it hurt. I was very nearly chopped in half...but again, it was my own fault for crossing the road and not looking iregaurdless of the fact the car was speeding (proven)
H15 NVA
29-02-08, 05:52 PM
idiot should have been wearing helmet and atleast looking wen jumpin red light!
phone analysis is bollox, she could have tried sending text while pulled over, phone has no reception,she pulls away, phone gets reception and message is automaticaly re-sent by the phone(mine does it) so the actual sent time will be closer to or same as accident time. unless there is cctv of her driving with phone in her hand just before or at time of collision then the the convivtion is sh1t!
Philsutton
29-02-08, 06:19 PM
Perfect example of natural selection really, if your stupid enough to drive infront of a car when your clearly in the wrong then you get whats coming to you.
People using phones while driving is something I really hate, but riding through a red on a bike is just retarded.
Anybody not wearing one when playing with traffic (i.e. cycling on the road) is asking for trouble. Incidentally, a cyclist is considered a "road user" so must adhere to the highway code and enforcable laws that govern the road - you can get done for "drunk cycling", and its illegal to cycle on the pavement for example.
Noooooooooooooo!!! What's going to happen to the beer bike:confused:
We have the wobbly 8 around here, that's a pub crawl on bikes lol
Unfortunate way to die but IMO it was a selfish and stupid thing for the cyclist to do, that poor lady's life is now ruined and so are his family's. Not meaning to sound cold hearted, it's just that these accidents could be avoided so easily.
dave.gsi
29-02-08, 10:34 PM
she should never have gone to prison for that,..............
my view.....
the fault of the accident lies soley with the cyclist. if they obeyed the law and stopped at the traffic lights they would still be alive today...end of..
the woman must have admitted to using the phone, or the police wouldn't have been so vocal about it, apparently they now routinely check phone use after serious accidents......
I am a bike helmet wearer, I do it because I have 3 daughters & I lead by example when taking them on the road. I have noticed that maybe 80% of other cyclists appear to wear their helmets on the back of their heads so their foreheads stick out, thus rendering the helmet useless....
If she had been drunk, this thread wouldn't have been started, but due to negligence on her part, she contributed to the death of someone, & that is manslaughter
she should never have gone to prison for that,..............
my view.....
the fault of the accident lies soley with the cyclist. if they obeyed the law and stopped at the traffic lights they would still be alive today...end of..
Exactly
When I was learning to drive, I made up the rule, and I still stick by it, you never argue with a vehicle that's bigger then you. I.E. If a bus decides to pull out infront of you, with no signalling and you're in a little VW then fine.
So if you decide to run a red light on a little bike and think it would be a good idea to go into a flow of traffic with bigger cars, then that's at your own risk.
She shouldn't have gone to jail for it at all. Maybe a slap on the wrist for using her phone NEAR the time. But she's gotta live with the fact that she hit that cyclist for the rest of her life:(
lee coley
01-03-08, 08:43 AM
He shot a red light. Its got **** all to do with the woman on her phone,
Not do it again will he!
According to ceefax she admitted to doing 45 in a 30 zone as well..
Running a red light in a car is against the law ? but running a red on a push bike isn't is it ?
So technically, the cyclist broke no laws. The Driver did.
Still harsh though....
Unless her solicitor was a complete tard, i doubt any conviction would be made from her 'possibly' using the phone at the time of the accident. I would deduce that she WAS using the phone, as well as doing 45 in a 30. Both those offences are worth ?60 and 3 points each (possibly more for the speeding depending on the circumstances / type of area the 30 zone was in)
But when a dopey **** on a bike decides he cant be assed to stop at a red light and gets in the way, it becomes a 5 year jail sentence.
Yet another fantastic piece of british justice. Top work.
Running a red light in a car is against the law ? but running a red on a push bike isn't is it ?
Even if its not, you would expect said cyclist to at least look if theres any cars. Complete Tard IMO
Running a red light in a car is against the law ? but running a red on a push bike isn't is it ?
So technically, the cyclist broke no laws. The Driver did.
Still harsh though....
Cyclists are bound by the laws of the road in exactly the same was cars are.
Cyclists are bound by the laws of the road in exactly the same was cars are.
Except when it comes to paying tax :(:roll:
fair enough.. i was under the impression that it's not technically against the law to run a light on a bike !
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that the cyclist was a retard either...
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