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Dar
14-02-08, 11:41 AM
Rose jointed linkage

The linkage in these piccys was my test linkage. The proper one on the car uses larger rose joints. i.e. M8 instead of M6 and M10 instead of M8.

Tools

Drill & drill bits (Best to use a pillar drill)
Taps (As in to make new threads and not kitchen taps)
Some spanners


Chop off this joint. Then drill a M10 hold down the rod and tap it. The rose joint fits in to place as in the picture. Please note that the nut at the bottom of the rose joint sits very close to the gearbox and you may need to grind a few mm off for it to not foul.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06660_640x480.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06661_640x480.jpg
Do the same with the other end.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06662_640x480.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06663_640x480.jpg
Grind off this ball and you will uncover this M8 sized hole.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06656_640x480.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06657_640x480.jpg
Do the same on the other side.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06658_640x480.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06659_640x480.jpg
This piccy shows the bar with the rose joints at each and in comparison to the standard one. These are M6 rose joints but you are better off with M8's here because the bolts fit the holes you uncover much better. Just bolt this where the old bar used to go and its done.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06655_640x480.jpg
Standard vs modifyed
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06654_640x480.jpg
A little video showing what the gear change is like. Lots of people ask how the internal cav shifter is compared to the standard Nova one. So couple the cav shifter with the rose jointed linkage and this is what its like.
Gear linakge test (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/?action=view&current=gearlinkagetest.flv)
Then fit it on to the car and adjust it so that it all works and you can get every gear.

ross.s
23-06-08, 12:05 PM
would like to do this mod, does anyone sell them already made?

Welsh Dan
24-06-08, 02:58 PM
They pop up here, migweb and ebay every so often. I daresay Chris Astley might be able to supply one?

ive_had_a_novadose
24-06-08, 08:06 PM
Very good guide Dar allways wanted to know how to do this and looks pretty straight forward i'll be giving this ago in the distant future lol

simon1
30-07-08, 11:34 AM
what are the advantges of doing this?
(sorry if seems a silly question but i have no idea)

Welsh Dan
30-07-08, 12:12 PM
Gear changes will feel much more direct, as there is much less 'play' in the mechanism.

loggyboy
15-08-08, 09:05 PM
How much reciprical motion is needed at this point? (ie moving gearstick back and forward)
As I'm finding the washers/nuts im using (m10s) are restricting it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06663_640x480.jpg

Welsh Dan
15-08-08, 11:52 PM
I had to fit misalignment spacers on all of the pivots.

loggyboy
16-08-08, 12:09 AM
What are they and where can i get them?

Welsh Dan
16-08-08, 12:17 AM
http://www.xen0phobiak.f2s.com/novaload/linkage/IMG_2271.JPG

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/McGill-Motorsports_Metric-Spacers-Misalignment_W0QQcolZ2QQdirZ1QQfsubZ18696689QQftid Z1QQtZkm

loggyboy
16-08-08, 12:26 AM
Cheers!
Typical.. the same place i got the rosejoints from!
Not cheap tho!

Anyone know of any m10 washers that have a small outside diameter? or know of the word that might be used for such washers (ie opposite of a penny washer)

Welsh Dan
16-08-08, 12:30 AM
M6/M8 penny washers with a 10mm hole drilled in the middle?

loggyboy
16-08-08, 10:26 AM
Yeah i think thats what i may do, open up an m8 flat washer. Just a pain as i dont have a pillar drill so its difficult to hold them and drill them!

Welsh Dan
16-08-08, 02:00 PM
Mole grips?

loggyboy
17-08-08, 10:38 AM
il try to get a big vice!

Steve0011
21-10-08, 04:05 PM
is it the same for an aftermarket quickshift linkage?

and what is the full shopping list for this job inc missalignment spacers

ta :thumb:

loggyboy
22-10-08, 01:33 PM
yes, it is. But it does mean cutting and welding the after market linkage. Im currently working on adjusting the standard linkage to make it a short shift.

Shouldnt be too hard, just a matter of moving a few drilled holes.

My list consisted of:

2x female m10 rose joints (with 4 x spacers)
2x male M12 rose joints. (with 4 spacers)
1 x length of m10 threaded rod/studding
2 x m10 nuts
2x m12 bolts or studding
4x m12 nyloc nuts
2x m12 nuts.

I did not use spacers in the end, i used an m12 tube to sleave which worked well and was cheaper.

http://www.loggyboy.com/images/MeritMk2/Gearlinkage/LinkageStart.jpg

I have more photos at home, il upload them shortly.

loggyboy
29-10-08, 11:59 PM
Pics of my nearly finished linkage. it works fine, but as I mentioned, i plan on adding adjustments to change the throw distance, both side to side and front to back.

http://www.loggyboy.com/images/MeritMk2/Gearlinkage/FinishedLinkage1.jpg

http://www.loggyboy.com/images/MeritMk2/Gearlinkage/FinishedLinkage2.jpg

Twistie
27-02-09, 03:22 AM
dar if i sen you a gear linkage will you make me one how much would you want to make me one

gazsnova
17-03-09, 06:48 PM
what sort of interest is there of these linkages? i mean how many people would want one?

loggyboy
17-03-09, 11:25 PM
This is 'How to' section. not 'How to make money'. Start a for sale thread or make a sample one and post in the general section!

gazsnova
18-03-09, 06:24 PM
sorry i offered my services!

Stuart
18-03-09, 08:00 PM
there is a place for that... its not this thread

yayoboy
12-05-09, 07:41 AM
good guide, only things i did different was i used a piece of 8mm s/s bar instead of allthread and threaded the ends, looks a bit more original i think, and also i used some counter sunk pins for the misalignment spacers, jusy cut the thread off and drilled the holes in the head to suit, will get some pics up soon

gavint5
18-05-09, 07:04 PM
wicked thread and you lot get of gaz's case. theirs a recession on and his resourcefullness is exactly the sort of thing that will get him through it!
whats more he is probably the most valuable person on this forum of late.

GAZ FOR MOD!!

gazsnova
19-05-09, 09:04 PM
wicked thread and you lot get of gaz's case. theirs a recession on and his resourcefullness is exactly the sort of thing that will get him through it!
whats more he is probably the most valuable person on this forum of late.

GAZ FOR MOD!!


cheers matey i try to help.

Stuart
19-05-09, 09:28 PM
erm if you want to sell stuff, there is the for sale forum :wall: not in the HOW TO forum.

and if you are a trader then there is Lee of Dan to talk to first about a trader account. So its not anyone stopping him, its more the right place for the right posts/threads, so GavinT5 FRO

hc coupe
13-07-09, 02:00 PM
I tried to remove my gear linkage over the weekend and got stuck on the final hurdle (typica :roll: l)

Anyway, It’s where the linkage joins to the gearbox that I’m stuck?
I have removed the metal clip from the rear of the bolt however I can’t pop the metal rod out to remover the linkage (assuming that’s how your meant to get it off :confused: )

Is there a way to do this because I’m clearly doing something slightly c*cked , and can’t get a good angle to give it a bash with a hammer and driver !!

Thanks a lot

auzzy-b
13-07-09, 05:43 PM
Theres a little spring loaded clip on the end of them behind the link (underside facing the gearbox) i too had this problem first time round and spent ages trying to tap it out with a hammerlol

Rich
13-07-09, 10:28 PM
Pair of long nose pliers, you can feel a little bit poking out, turn it so its easy to grip with pliers, then use a small flat blade drive to lever it out (whilst still gripping with long nose pliers)

loggyboy
14-07-09, 02:56 PM
Theres 2 types of pin IIRC, one is has a folded back circlip that needs to be removed to release the main pin, the other has a push fit main pin that just pulls out with some pliers and force.

craig green
14-07-09, 02:59 PM
Is there a way to do this because I’m clearly doing something slightly c*cked , and can’t get a good angle to give it a bash with a hammer and driver !!

Thanks a lot




Try going at it through the wheelarch. I have struggled with a few in scrapyards & find that its easier from a lower angle than leaning over the bonnet & doing your back in aswell as guessing at what you are fiddling with.

Steve0011
03-08-09, 02:36 AM
well after a few decisions and a bit of work, here is my efforts :)

i used M10 and M12 rose joints and button headed bolts for better clearance

BTW its a quick shift (hope it works LOL)

what you think?

http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww249/stevehope/01082009001.jpg

http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww249/stevehope/01082009002.jpg

i could'nt be ar$ed to file the weld on this bit ;)

http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww249/stevehope/01082009003.jpg

after spending half an hour on this one lol

http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww249/stevehope/01082009004.jpg

steve

Welsh Dan
03-08-09, 08:11 AM
Looks good Steve, have you got the nylon center pivot bushes to go with it?

Steve0011
03-08-09, 12:27 PM
Thanks :thumb:

no i was looking at some on ebay

OR do you know where i can get some cheap? ;) and bushes in general?

Welsh Dan
03-08-09, 12:54 PM
Ebay or LMF are the only places I know for those bushes. Riggy lathed up a batch once though....

Steve0011
03-08-09, 04:53 PM
flo-flex in rhyl do bushes for the nova at not bad prices

loggyboy
08-08-09, 11:30 AM
Finished pics of mine with quickshift.
http://www.loggyboy.com/images/MeritMk2/Linkage/RoseJointLinkage1.jpg

Steve0011
08-08-09, 12:44 PM
:thumb: nice

get some paint on it to protect all your hard work from the dreaded 'red stuff' ;)

steve

BTW have you tried it yet?

loggyboy
08-08-09, 05:06 PM
I dont think they rust that much, im pretty sure they must be treated in some way, it doesnt look coated but theres no signs of surface rust and mines been installed for some months, thats acctually a picture of the ones I made sell.

Balley
26-08-09, 06:25 PM
is it the same for the td, my car is a bugger to get in gear some days but other days it goes in soft as sh!t.
will it fix my problem?
I have looked at my linkage and it feels shafted,
would it be easier just buying a new one?

do i need to change the in car mechanism?

i am really confused by the hole job!!!

loggyboy
26-08-09, 08:05 PM
Trouble engaging all gears is more likely to be a ****ed gearbox. A rosejointed linkage will make it feel better, but it would be worth removing the existing linkage and checking it for excess play etc. I find the most noticable change is the addition of quickshift.

Balley
26-08-09, 08:32 PM
Trouble engaging all gears is more likely to be a ****ed gearbox. A rosejointed linkage will make it feel better, but it would be worth removing the existing linkage and checking it for excess play etc. I find the most noticable change is the addition of quickshift.

i removed it when i did my clutch, it is knackerd

what gear box is fitted to the td?

loggyboy
26-08-09, 11:11 PM
not sure but all nova linkages are identical

Big_Chap
26-08-09, 11:25 PM
I dont think they rust that much, im pretty sure they must be treated in some way, it doesnt look coated but theres no signs of surface rust and mines been installed for some months, thats acctually a picture of the ones I made sell.

so loggy, what's the latest with these? Still doing them? Do you know where to get the nylon bushes from the uni-joint?

loggyboy
27-08-09, 10:00 PM
so loggy, what's the latest with these? Still doing them? Do you know where to get the nylon bushes from the uni-joint?
http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120579

Sadly I cant find the nylon bushes for the centre pivot anywhere, but would I would imagine it wouldnt be hard to find a universal fitment.

John
27-08-09, 10:04 PM
Might be worth pm'ing riggy, i know he had a batch made up, but sold them all.

Welsh Dan
28-08-09, 07:40 AM
http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120579

Sadly I cant find the nylon bushes for the centre pivot anywhere, but would I would imagine it wouldnt be hard to find a universal fitment.


http://www.lmfvauxhall.co.uk/store/product.php?productid=1170&cat=1880&page=1

Steve0011
28-08-09, 09:57 AM
they are exactly the same as the ones i got off ebay (and the same price)

be warned, they are a very very snug fit :D but they need to be ;) i hade to use some wd40 and a G-clamp to locate them then the lightest of teasing with a round file to get the pin to fit

quality product i am amazed that we ever manage to locate any gears with the original bushes LOL

Welsh Dan
28-08-09, 10:25 AM
Thats probably because LMF sell on ebay Steve.

Steve0011
28-08-09, 10:44 AM
anyway, well chuffed with the quality of the item :p ;)

loggyboy
28-08-09, 08:20 PM
£12:50 :O :O

thats more than I paid for my front end polybushes

Jon_nova1
04-09-09, 08:18 PM
just like to say, i ordered from the ebay link on the first page, accidently bought m8 male rose instead of female, emailed the seller and asked them for a refund and to make sure what i ordered matched up, i got a refund and she made sure what i ordered did match up, rep to this company!

dj_wudgey
05-09-09, 02:36 PM
i want one ill just wait for one to come up for sale for my sr as i cba to make one lol

Brettski
24-10-09, 12:45 AM
ok can sumone make a list of wot i need to make this and were to get the bits pretty please:thumb:

Welsh Dan
24-10-09, 12:51 AM
Around a foot of m8 threaded bar. Two female M8 rose joints, and 4 m8 rose joint misalignment spacers. 2 M8x60mm bolts, 4 m8 nuts. 2 M10 Male rose joints, 4 M10 nuts or 3 nylock ones. I got mine from McGill motorsport on ebay.

Iain
24-10-09, 02:19 PM
Around a foot of m8 threaded bar. Two female M8 rose joints, and 4 m8 rose joint misalignment spacers. 2 M8x60mm bolts, 4 m8 nuts. 2 M10 Male rose joints, 4 M10 nuts or 3 nylock ones. I got mine from McGill motorsport on ebay.

+ 4 M10 misalignment spacers. :p I also got my rosejoints from McGill, recommended. :thumb:

Welsh Dan
24-10-09, 02:25 PM
Well spotted flannel :)

chapo_nova
28-10-09, 10:58 PM
hi,
urrm me and ma step dad are havin a lot of trouble gettin the original nova linkage to get all gears on a f16 box. is mountin bracket still the same or is there something else we need to do.

Welsh Dan
28-10-09, 11:23 PM
Flip the white universal joint around where it meets the selector turret, this gives it more reach. Then just set it up using the drillbit method.

chapo_nova
30-10-09, 09:50 PM
thankz for the reply sorted it out now should hopefully be on the road for sunday :)

we have hit another problem we can find 5th gear wen the engine aint turned on but wen ur drivin we cnt get it to go in, we hav tried adjusting the linkage but still no joy :(

Welsh Dan
05-11-09, 04:14 PM
How worn out is your current linkage?

Jon_nova1
05-11-09, 05:21 PM
and where's reverse located?

mathew5698
17-02-10, 01:23 AM
any 1 selling there ready made ?

Rich
08-03-10, 01:04 AM
This piccy shows the bar with the rose joints at each and in comparison to the standard one. These are M6 rose joints but you are better off with M8's here because the bolts fit the holes you uncover much better. Just bolt this where the old bar used to go and its done.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06655_640x480.jpg


On of these left handed and other right handed thread?

Welsh Dan
08-03-10, 01:18 AM
You could do it that way but I did mine with two normal ones.

Rich
08-03-10, 01:57 AM
Ok cheers

spanishfly
08-03-10, 07:52 PM
If you do it left and right hand threaded the stud has to be c ut to LH thread. Better off using two normal ones

Graeme
08-03-10, 08:17 PM
So if I send that shopping to Mcgill they'll 1 Know what I'm talking about? 2 supply everything?

Iain
09-03-10, 08:09 PM
Just order from McGill off eBay or their website, everything is listed by size and thread etc.

gorilla1q
12-03-10, 05:16 AM
Can recommend McGill good quality gear and great delivery time. Should of posted pics of mine. Used this thread and converted a quick shift and soon be fitting the internal shifter using info. from that thread aswell

Rich
14-03-10, 03:02 PM
yep top service bits were here next day

auzzy-b
14-03-10, 03:26 PM
in case any one is interested in doing it the way i have heres a pic..

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt87/austen-b/Photo0194.jpg

For a neater look i decided to weld studs in the linkage bracket and made stainles spacers to fit between the rose joint so they would sit at the same hieght as the original, then i chamfered the nuts for extra clearance..

Nobby
27-05-10, 09:07 PM
ive just been on got the following from loggy boys list

My list consisted of:

2x female m10 rose joints (with 4 x spacers)
2x male M12 rose joints. (with 4 spacers)
1 x length of m10 threaded rod/studding
2 x m10 nuts
2x m12 bolts or studding
4x m12 nyloc nuts
2x m12 nuts.


but ive noticed that some one has welded there ends on and not tap drilled etc? how far do you have to cut off or ohow far do you have to tap? confusing me as it will make it all out of line?

Iain
28-05-10, 06:54 PM
Welding the rosejoints on isn't a good idea IMO as I found it needs some tweaking to line all the rosejoints up properly. I just tapped enough so there's plenty of thread to make it sturdy, you can always cut the RJ down a bit if it's too shallow.

Hope that helps.

checchitotiralaleva
13-06-10, 10:39 PM
Following your ideas...

Here you have mine rose jointed gear linkage from Italy:

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs521.snc3/29667_1290975075372_1260108179_30657336_5106675_n. jpg

Steve0011
09-09-10, 02:11 AM
Welding the rosejoints on isn't a good idea IMO as I found it needs some tweaking to line all the rosejoints up properly. I just tapped enough so there's plenty of thread to make it sturdy, you can always cut the RJ down a bit if it's too shallow.

Hope that helps.

welding it was a right pain :) i had 2 linkages so one was a reference for the other, i must have checked and double checked 20 times before committing to the weld.

if i was doing it again i would prob just tap it :d

thegingerwhinger
20-10-10, 02:47 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06655_640x480.jpg

any one know the size of standard nova gear linkage connecting rod??

ash nova
20-10-10, 10:37 PM
in process of doing mine atm fitted it tonight but having some trouble adjusting it, it doesnt seem to have much clearance by the starter motor(the nut touches ) also shorted it by accident:S

Iain
21-10-10, 09:42 AM
Try and get all the dimensions/lengths the same as the standard one to avoid issues. If you only have minor clearance problems you can grind some of the head of the bolt off or get those thinner allen headed bolts.

Dayle_
25-11-10, 11:37 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/DPursey/Gearlinkage/DSC06655_640x480.jpg

any one know the size of standard nova gear linkage connecting rod??
Im just after the same information as looking at buying a machined turnblock and need to know rough length.
http://www.mcgillmotorsports.co.uk/images/uploads/tl3.jpg

thegingerwhinger
25-11-10, 06:17 PM
190mm i think mate

ash nova
01-12-10, 04:37 PM
sorted all mine a while back. amazes me how gears were origionally located haha, top job on this thread(Y)

mk1nova_rich
03-12-10, 08:41 PM
190mm i think mate

yes thats correct :thumb:

markmcgivern
29-01-11, 06:40 PM
Hi peeps,
im peed off with my sloppy gearchange so purchased a quickshift off ebay, now its fitted but fouling the starter motor (not original)!!!! but decided to have a go at this myself too as it sounds like a transformation. Will let u know how it goes

mark:thumb:

markmcgivern
12-03-11, 09:04 PM
hope the pics work:
http://s1110.photobucket.com/albums/h455/Mark_McGivern/?action=view&current=IMG_0214.jpg
http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h455/Mark_McGivern/IMG_0217.jpg?t=1299960065

A few errors made during the process but I have to say I fitted it this afternoon and the difference is massive, I advise everyone to do this! The gears feel so direct and positive, not yet test driven due to needing a starter motor :mad:

swedge
14-03-11, 07:20 AM
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee127/swedge87/184233_1863145336200_1167986524_2249515_7592478_n. jpg

swedge
14-03-11, 07:22 AM
how come my linkage is different from everyone elses lol

mines only has one hole at the bit where the rod is connected and everyone has 2

Rich
24-04-11, 12:13 AM
its not a nova linkage i dont think?? the bit that connects to the turret looks different, corsa?

swedge
24-04-11, 04:45 PM
ah yeah thats what it will be, mines is a kinda mismatch as my car was originaly a 1.0 4 speed so had to swap bits of the linkage about

cheers :)

Dayle_
26-04-11, 08:30 PM
Here's my attempt.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/Dayle/IMG_0348.jpg

Opted for male rose joints and used a piece of stainless bar I had lying around. Plonked it in my thread and with left and right handed a M10 tap and a couple off flats milled on so its not adjustable in situ, I've since changed the bolts for slightly longer ones. Also replaced the bushes with nylon ones that i machined up. let me know if anyone requires any.

swedge
06-05-11, 03:35 PM
how much for the nylon bush?

this is a linkage i made for a member on here

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee127/swedge87/a76bb45a.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee127/swedge87/3497d8f5.jpg

when you make the linkage remember to cut any excess thread off from the rosejoint as this part hits the gearbox meaning you wont be able to select 2nd or 4th and the linkage wont rotate enough

use a shallow nut on it aswell as you really dont want much sticking out

this is the part i mean

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee127/swedge87/linkage.jpg

swedge
06-05-11, 03:38 PM
hope you dont mind me using your pic dayle

this is to show where the bolt hits the gearbox

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee127/swedge87/linkage2.jpg

Grey
01-06-11, 09:58 PM
i will say wedge lol is true to his word very good and quick at replying posting etc. thanks for my linkage.

cheers ross :thumb:

swedge
01-06-11, 11:06 PM
i will say wedge lol is true to his word very good and quick at replying posting etc. thanks for my linkage.

cheers ross :thumb:

cheers mate glad your happy with it :)

Dayle_
27-08-11, 11:53 AM
Having a few issues with my Linkage, Has anyone any idea on what to adjust as i can either get reverse 1-2-3-4 or 1-2-3-4-5 and no reverse. Has anyone had this issue before?

swedge
27-08-11, 02:06 PM
how have you set the linkage? with the drill bit in the hole?

was it originaly a 4 speed? if it was you need to cut the small white lug off where the gearstick is on the right hand side of it

Dayle_
27-08-11, 06:43 PM
5 speed dude with a C16XE whats the drill bit thing?

swedge
01-09-11, 08:06 PM
on the selector turret at the back there should a be a small black lug that you can pull out to reveal a hole

get under the car and loosen the selector rod clamp but dont pull the rod out

get back up top and rotate the linkage clockwise as your looking into the bay, while you rotate it put a 5 mm drill bit in the hole which was where the small lug was

it should go in slightly further as you rotate the linkage

once it goes in further leave it in there and get a friend to hold the gearstick between 1st and second (over to the left not in the middle of all the gears)

while he holds the gearstick get back under and tighten the clamp

remove the drill bit, now you should have all gears

swedge
02-04-12, 03:42 PM
another one made for a member on here

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee127/swedge87/3cc260d2.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee127/swedge87/360f61c5.jpg

swedge
06-04-12, 05:10 PM
corsa linkage made for a mate

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee127/swedge87/a661407d.jpg
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee127/swedge87/99520f42.jpg

pikey1986
06-04-12, 06:38 PM
any chance you could pm me how much you'd charge for one pls?

swedge
06-04-12, 07:29 PM
Pm'd

pikey1986
06-04-12, 07:38 PM
:thumb:

gteben
08-06-12, 06:56 PM
:eek:ok need help . ive got my L plates on this job.

i think it would help if you know what parts you need
and how many of each stage

cause i stil dont know ... im stupid i know but im a honest foul

BROD
13-07-12, 11:34 PM
Think im going to do this while my engines out this week. Do you lot buy your own quickshift arm or buy one like this? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-NOVA-RACE-RALLY-CAR-QUICK-SHIFT-GEAR-LINKAGE-/140786089980?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item20c7813ffc
Would anyone mind explaining what the difference is? Im guessing on the quickshift theres less distance between the male rose joints? if thats the case, would anyone mind giving me the measurements as id rather have a go at making my own first before forking out £40,
cheers :)

Jon_nova1
14-07-12, 10:32 AM
from what i recollect you take 10MM out of the gearstick side and put it in the gearbox side

loggyboy
20-07-12, 09:14 AM
Quick shift can be achived by just drilling new holes in your existing linkage, so no need to buy a special one:
Drilling this hole makes the backwards and forwards motion quicker (less distance)
http://loggyboy.com/images/MeritMk2/Linkage/RoseJointLinkageBackForwardAdj.jpg

And not really necessary, but can be handy, drilling these holes allows for less left to right movement:

http://loggyboy.com/images/MeritMk2/Linkage/RoseJointLinkageLRadj.jpg

Using positions 1 & 4 is standard levels of movement.
Using positions 2 & 5 reduces the distance of the gear stick needs to travel the least change over standard.
Using positions 2 & 4 reduces the distance of the gear stick needs to travel a bit more.
Using positions 3 & 5 reduces the distance of the gear stick needs to travel even more so.
Using positions 3 & 4 reduces the distance of the gear stick needs to travel the most change over standard.
Using positions 1 & 5 increases the distance.
You may find that using the reduced positions means some gears are harder to engage or distinguish between, this especially so when using a
Cavalier Gearstick and shaft, if so, the best solution is to retain the standard position (i.e. holes 1 & 4), but this is all trial and error and all to
your personal preference.

Nobby
22-10-12, 09:26 PM
Right heres my attempt lol i bought these rose joints a couple of years ago now lol but they sat in a bag in my garage but as im tryin got get my 1/4mile times down thought i would have a go!

So im using M10 threaded bar and M10 female rosejoint, then i have M12 male that i will be doing the same as loggy boys with the one up and one down and im going to weld x2 M12 bolts (with the head cut off) and i will be doing the shortshift mod but do i have to shorten the threaded bar or does it stay the same?

Quick pic still got to drill M12 holes tommorow!
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/579094_10152189047840431_1467622035_n.jpg

Nobby
20-01-13, 05:33 PM
finished mine and fitted it feels loads better alittle stiff if anything
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/c67.0.403.403/p403x403/398066_10152426631310431_1794509175_n.jpg

silk violet
03-02-13, 11:34 PM
http://i1324.photobucket.com/albums/u615/cols0781/bth_20130131_213219_zpse965af77.jpg my gear linkage all done with help from (you guys) :thumb: just had to cut the excess off the end of the bolts and fitted it today and it feels so much tighter, deffinetley a MUST just want to say a big HOLLA to all you guys...:d

GRUNT 16V
04-02-13, 12:06 PM
http://i1324.photobucket.com/albums/u615/cols0781/bth_20130131_213219_zpse965af77.jpg my gear linkage all done with help from (you guys) :thumb: just had to cut the excess off the end of the bolts and fitted it today and it feels so much tighter, deffinetley a MUST just want to say a big HOLLA to all you guys...:d
Not to put you down but the top arm is the wrong way round ,on the right hand side it should be bolted to the front of the arm top job though!!

novalovingned
04-02-13, 01:00 PM
http://i1324.photobucket.com/albums/u615/cols0781/bth_20130131_213219_zpse965af77.jpg my gear linkage all done with help from (you guys) :thumb: just had to cut the excess off the end of the bolts and fitted it today and it feels so much tighter, deffinetley a MUST just want to say a big HOLLA to all you guys...:d


Looks like a top job you've done there. I need to do this but been putting it off for around a year!

silk violet
04-02-13, 01:55 PM
Yeah i know i turned it around afterwards that was my first attempt but after i turned it around and cut the ends off the bolts it was sweet...

stuartp
05-02-13, 09:29 PM
I've noticed some folk have put the male ends of the m10 rose joint into the clamp end and gearbox connection end. Fail as I made the mistake. Ensure the male ends bolt up to the s linkage. Will upload my pics.

silk violet
05-02-13, 11:52 PM
thats how i done mine m8 female bar and m10 male rose joints to S linkage.... deffo think every 1 should have it rose jointed it does make a hell of a difference...?

shaunboy84
08-02-13, 12:41 AM
does anyone make these and sell them complete :)

novalovingned
10-02-13, 01:13 PM
does anyone make these and sell them complete :)

You'll be lucky lol

silk violet
10-02-13, 10:14 PM
mine only cost me about £29 in parts to make myself.... as long as you have the old existing linkage

shaunboy84
12-02-13, 04:12 AM
good stuff :) i will get the list and crack on :)

Dan Stanley
16-03-13, 01:06 AM
Really want to have a go at this, but can't weld. Ive read through this article and am a little confused as to whether I can just cut threads or have to weld. Can anyone help me out with some advice?
I'd like to adapt my standard linkage to be a shortshift also, with new nylon bushes and a standard under car nova gear selector on a corsa F15 'box.
PM me if you can help, or offer a pre-made example please.

Thanks

Wazza30
10-05-14, 12:05 PM
Hi guys will this work on a linkage that's on a f28 box? As want to do it to mine but want to make sure the list that was given in previous posts is the same as doing it on a linkage for f28. Or has anyone done one on a f28?

Novasport
23-06-15, 11:02 PM
Made a first attempt at making a rose jointed linkage. I am not too keen on the vertical positioning of the rose joints as to me the force on them is working the wrong way.
I have cut off all the old ball joints and cups and had the holes where the balls were welded up. I have drilled the front and rear rods to accept an M8 rose joint and bolted the joint to the main pivot with a cap head screw with a 10mm deep, 12mm OD spacer to try to put the joints in a similar position to the originals. Still a work in progress and there are little changes I would make if I did it again.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/NovaSport/20150623_175020_zpswsgmhzzb.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/NovaSport/media/20150623_175020_zpswsgmhzzb.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/NovaSport/20150623_175043_zpsnzdynsoa.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/NovaSport/media/20150623_175043_zpsnzdynsoa.jpg.html)

therealnovaboy
24-06-15, 02:26 AM
I think you might have done that the wrong way round. you might struggle to move the gearstick left and right. IE you'll struggle to get reverse and 5th

Novasport
24-06-15, 09:13 AM
There is quite a lot of movement left to right so dont think it will be an issue looking at the throw on a standard linkage.
I can have a chamfer machined on the shoulder of the spacer and the underside of the bolt if required which will allow more movement.
I have a Griffith Quickshift which works the same way. It is still a work in progress so we will see. I just think it looks a lot neater this way.

Iain
25-06-15, 12:56 PM
I've tried several iterations with the rosejoints both ways round. Yes it does depend on amount of movement and what bolts/misalignment gear you're running, but in my experience RJs bolted through the ? shaped metal does work better. There's more left-right movement required than forwards-backwards.

Iain
20-10-15, 09:40 AM
For anyone using the cheaper range of McGill ones, expect to replace them in your linkage after so many thousand miles (15-20k?)

C16xe
17-02-19, 09:54 AM
I've tried several iterations with the rosejoints both ways round. Yes it does depend on amount of movement and what bolts/misalignment gear you're running, but in my experience RJs bolted through the ? shaped metal does work better. There's more left-right movement required than forwards-backwards.

Iain, in your experience do you recommend it as Novasport has done above? Or the actual rose joint male part bolted through the U shaped part? :confused:

Iain
21-03-19, 01:52 PM
Iain, in your experience do you recommend it as Novasport has done above? Or the actual rose joint male part bolted through the U shaped part? :confused:

I'm sure I've done mine the other way round - Male part of RJ through the ?

There's more movement across left/middle/right/reverse than forwards backawards from what I remember.

I had various issues with them undoing themselves, but not touched my RJ linkage in years after changing it to this way round.