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Fenix_2k1
23-07-02, 02:49 PM
A guy from south africa has just posted this information on MIG. Might be of interest to some of you. Or may just be good for debate.

Corsa Bolt- on Turbo Kits - 1.3 -1.4 -1.6
Hello.

We are based in South Africa. We make a complete bolt on kit for the Opel / Vauxhall Corsa. We have had a kit on our test car (1.3) for the
Past 30 000 kilometres without any problems! the car at 0.4bar boost makes 92kw on the wheels!

The kit is comprehensive and comes with all parts and spares plus a interactive cd rom that covers complete instructions on how to install the kit to your car.

Two kits are available - a low boost version, no opening of the engine is needed with this version, the car runs standard compression.

And a high boost version, with this version new low compression pistons are provided. Higher boost can be run.. Around 1 bar as opposed to 0.4-0.5.

The kit comes in a sectioned cardboard box that is partitioned with the correct parts for each individual section of the manual! the kits comprise of the following.

Low boost: 0.4 bar boost ?2250 +plus shipping

Mitsubishi TD04 turbo
Exhaust manifold
Boost pipes ? stainless steel or mild steel (your choice)
Rubber connector hoses
Rubber connector hoses
Intercooler
Higher pressure fuel regulator
Stainless steel Exhaust (complete)
Stainless steel Down pipe
All clamps and fittings
Blow off valve - (atmospheric)
CD Rom - Instructions
Manual - Instructions

High boost: 1.0 bar boost ?2750 +plus shipping

Mitsubishi TD04 turbo
Exhaust manifold
Boost pipes ? stainless steel or mild steel (your choice)
Rubber connector hoses
Intercooler
Higher pressure fuel regulator
Stainless steel Exhaust (complete)
Stainless steel Down pipe
All clamps and fittings
Blow off valve - (atmospheric)
Low compression pistons
Complete Gasket set
Engine rings
Uni chip computer (pre configured)
Uni chip Boost add on
Special harness for uni chip
Extra injector (350cc Bosch)
CD Rom - Instructions
Manual - Instructions

If you could pass this info on to your club that would be great. Orders can be placed via email.

Many thanks
Marc Hebert

marc@darkwater.co.za

At 0.4 bar boost with the low boost kit the car is making 94kw (126 bhp) RRD and confirmed.
At 1.0 bar bost with the high boost kit the car is making 160kw (214 bhp) estimated.

Above 200 BHP from a 1.3 8v is there a chance these guys know what they are talking about or is it just another dream cloud?

Ben (lurk75)
23-07-02, 03:03 PM
these South Africans are fanatical bunch and do some odd things so could be possible.

Buy one and let us know what its like.

I wish i could but am skint1

Mr_Sukebe
24-07-02, 04:37 PM
?2000+ for a mod to give your car torque-steer for england?

LOL, gotta love these South Africans, great sense of humour.

If someone here really does it, give us boys a bell, gotta see this.

carltoncrazy
24-07-02, 04:42 PM
***********WASTE OF MONEY***************

Ben (lurk75)
24-07-02, 05:49 PM
and whys that then?

dan16v
24-07-02, 09:37 PM
how can you say its a waste of money?? if these figures are true that aint bad pounds per horse power m8! :o

carltoncrazy
24-07-02, 09:50 PM
that sorta mod will rocket your insurance,seriosu rocket it,
and you would be better off getting an old supra twin turbo,
1 it b cheaper.bout a grand
and so would the insuance,
if u dont believe me check it

Mr_Sukebe
24-07-02, 11:29 PM
Well said Hasyr.

The old Supra is a bit of a bloated hog, but produces 250hp in std trim (dead easy to upgrade) and already has the brakes and suspension to deal with it.

Just to finish it off, what would impress your mates more, arriving in a 150mph coupe, or a very fast hatch?

carltoncrazy
24-07-02, 11:55 PM
thank you,know one seems to understand that old,posh/sports cars off tons,lets face it may not b abl fuck in a 2 seater,but yeh longer bonnet,and url have her scream with moving ya body.
lol seriously guys lets get real these r hatch backs,
we only have em to build NCB,
i certainly do.

dave.gsi
25-07-02, 12:24 PM
lol seriously guys lets get real these r hatch backs,
we only have em to build NCB,


i don't, and many other ppl don't.

i can't wait to stick a big engine in my car and go humiliate tossers who think there it cos they drive a big sports coupes.

surely its simple maths.......put a big engine in a big heavy car it will be quick. put a big engine in a small lightweight car it will be stupidly fast???

Mr_Sukebe
25-07-02, 12:44 PM
Dave>

You make a very valid point mate, i.e. that light cars and big engines are generally pretty quick. Another great example would be the Lotus 7.

Unfortunately things are simply not quite that straightforward.

Think about the following:
1. Top Speed. Now I know that this really isn't wholly relevant, as I'd hope that most of us don't drive around at the kind of speeds our cars are capable of, but lets cover it anyway.

Top speed of a vehicle is determined by the power of the engine and the cars coefficient of drag (Cd). Most big coupes have good drag factors, e.g. calibra is about 0.29, my 200 is 0.3 etc. In comparison a Nova looks like it would have a Cd roughly equivalent to a brick. Probably ever worse if someone has added a big rear wing to it. So whilst you might have a powerful engine, you'd eventually reach a point at which drag would stop you going any faster. That's why Lotus 7s and Range Rovers are slower at the top end than you'd think.

2. Acceleration. This is where a big engined Nova should be at it's best, because of it's light weight, as acceleration is determined by weight and power.
Unfortunately a Nova has a serious design issue here, i.e that it's front wheel drive. Under acceleration there is a lot of weight transfer to the rear of a vehicle, which is why most front wheel drive cars suffer from "scrabble" off the line. That's why many groups have been fitting traction control to their hot hatchbacks.
Quite simply, there is a limit on just how much power you can put down. For a great example, check out big Saab 9000 turbos, which really struggle.
In comparison rear wheel drive cars are in their element, as they tend to crouch a little at the back due to the increased weight transfer and have a distinct advantage. That's why a 911 is so quick off the line.

3. Handling. Most Novas have been designed to use smallish engines. Imagine the implications of sticking all the extra weight of a bigger engine under the bonnet? Do you think that it might just lead to somewhat more nose heavy handling. Check out what happened to 306s where you compare the 2.0 petrol to the diesel turbos. The diesel engine is much heavier and really made a mess of the handling when compared.

4. Brakes. Again, you've added extra weight to the car, happy to spend the extra cash on new brakes to make it stop again?

5. Improving the handling. There's plenty of talk around about lowering a car, new shocks etc. Manufacturers spend millions designing a car to handle "reasonably". Unless you really know what you're doing, don't you think it's likely that you'll end up with a car that:
- May be completely flat on an even surface, but bounces all over on an uneven one, leading to bugger all traction.
- With stiffened suspension feels like your travelling on a brick. Imagine how your prospective GF would react to that?

The simply fact is that to do a conversion usually costs a lot of money, results in compromises on the car and unless done well (usually with even more money) can make the car handle worse than before.
Most people would be better off spending their modding cash by simply buying a faster car.

dave.gsi
25-07-02, 02:42 PM
1. Top Speed
personally top speed means jack shit to me, if you do over 100 your basically an asshole with a deathwish!


2. Acceleration
fair point.........u would get beaten from the line cos u have fwd but once traction is gained say 20mph u would beat the big heavy car up to say 80mph which in real terms is what matters


3. Handling
good point.......but there are things u can do to minimse handling loss. better suspension, seam welding and strengthening etc. also who says a powerful engine has to be heavy??? this post is about turboing 1.4 and 1.6 engines which are still realitively light.


4. Brakes
yes its true.....u will need bigger brakes but most remotely powerfull novas have better brakes anyway cos the standard ones cant stop a 1.0 nova!! i've done my brakes and i've only got an air filter and exhaust


- With stiffened suspension feels like your travelling on a brick. Imagine how your prospective GF would react to that?


she's used to it........its cheaper than a taxi so she puts up with it. also........she likes a hard ride :lol: :lol:

carltoncrazy
25-07-02, 06:37 PM
listen,
supra=people think sorts car,fast car,smart car safe etc
nova=people think boy racer car,
i aint ever diss the guys who take the time and money to deisgh these sorta mod,but is there really a market for ?
with a nova you dug a bottomless pit and you chuck money into it,
lets face it if you spend 4k on a nova it b worth about 15-2k.
supra just looks sweet,
tho the alloys a cr**
and il take up that race,if i get hold of a say F plate supra STANDARD,you get a nova tubro,lets see who win,and to make it fair il put 2 tons of bricks in the boot.lol
not afence but grow up its a nova,soon as you hit 21 you should of grown outa them.

dan16v
25-07-02, 08:49 PM
1 BIG FACT!!!
this is not SUPRA LOAD is it??
you should be proud of your nova why the hell would i want a peice of jap crap? and as for insurance?? wat a joke!
im 19 2yrs ncb 2L 16v running 180bhp, full cage etc all fully declaired ?820 what a bargain i can race cossies and all the fat headed prelude owners who think there fast caz the have 18s.
i personaly love my nova anouther example my m8 just paid ?11000 for an escort cossie its nice but how would you feel if a four grand nova could beat you!!! i just love it!

ACCELERATION; a mere ?550 will get you an lsd

TOP SPEED; it will pull 140mph so good enuff

BRAKES; my 16vs are more than capable of stopping the car

HANDLING; why care by the time my m8s golfs and rst s have cought up im home!!

i think at the end of the day its up 2 u but ever since i was on here i couldnt wait to get a valver i never even gave it a thought that its a waste cos i love novas

dan16v
25-07-02, 08:51 PM
RIGHT WHO HAS A NOVA TURBO A RACE HAS BEEN SET!

Ian
25-07-02, 09:39 PM
id race u but dont have a turbo hahaha

lol standard supra hahaha

carltoncrazy
25-07-02, 09:42 PM
gdg BOY,this will be a laugh,
1.6 turbo v a standard twin turbo supra,
il wait 4 u at the end.
lol stupid git

carltoncrazy
25-07-02, 09:50 PM
oh yes aswell your 19,dont you see that your grow outa novas and would of wasted loads of money.
end of the day,it has the areodies of a brick.
where the surpra is lower,and the lines are smoother,
serious grow up mate,
yes supra may be heavyer,but its 250bhp and its able to put the power down smoothly,unlike the nova,which is FWD,and also when it gets to about 40 it will get the proper traction,not 20 and by that time,supra will of gone,
if you really wanna race,bet you nova turbo on it.down a mile stright,
preludes aint fast duh

dan16v
25-07-02, 10:44 PM
m8 are you on the write web site? :oops:
yes im 19 but i bet you didnt have the power us 16v nova lads had at that age may be at 19 you had a 890000bhp supra? lol!
put my vote down for ian cainning the supra!
as for your bricks comment im not how sure big the bus like supra is but i dont think it is big enough to fit 3tons of bricks in! or you culd on the other hand chop the roof and use it as a skip!!! lol! :lol:
by owning my nova ive meet alot of good people and had a gr8 laff as for the money? are you a tight ass money is there to be wasted! have a laff now your not on this planet for long.

Ste_Nova
25-07-02, 10:56 PM
lmao i saw a 330bhp cossie waste a 350bhp supra they ain't all that quick....... just cause a car like yours was used in a film doesn't give it a god like status..... unless your 14 and thinks that unless a car has NOS it isn't fast, face is mate jap stuff will go out of fashion in a couple of years.... then look who will have wasted lots of money

Ben (lurk75)
25-07-02, 11:51 PM
Hayz >>> I think you have got quite a cheeck as you seem to post quite a lot on here asking advice on how to do things to novas and the next day you are slagging off anyone over 20 who owns one! wich on here is probably about 75%.

One other point with the supra comparison, how much do spare parts cost for a supra? a damn sight more than the nova, that might be why you can buy a old shagged model for peanuts.

my ex brother in law works for toyota and he said the most fun he ever had was when he owned his Nova GTE.

dan16v
26-07-02, 12:16 AM
ave it!!!
i bet you dream about supras and have supra wall paper and supra coffee mugs and maybe a supra tooth brush? lol :lol:
i bet you drive a tescos box with a lawn mower engine and a supra body kit with granny smith apple injection system? :lol:
dont put to much torque through that box ive seen kp boxes let go at about 8nm of carrying torque! :roll: :roll:
wat a laff how can you come on here and diss novas :oops:

Rich Dale
26-07-02, 04:57 AM
Just one point on aerodynamics.....the CD of the Nova SR is 0.34......which is better than a brick (lol) and not that far behind the 200SX!

As a point of interest....the normal Hatch is 0.36, the saloon is 0.38 and the GTE is 0.37! (those skirts add the drag!)

Oh and to compare to the 200SX, the MKII Astra GTE is 0.30 and the Belmont is only 0.32!

Um....also, the Senator is CD 0.30 but the bloody Carlton saloon is only CD 0.28!

Just pointing out the facts that it's not only sports coupes that have mint aerodynamics!

carltoncrazy
26-07-02, 11:23 PM
yes i do ask for help on ym nova,
i have a nova coz i have shed loads of convitons and cant afford to insure my old range rover.
sorry whats wrong with asking for help with something you dont understand yet some one else does???????is that the whole point iof this sight to help each other??????????????
lets face it you can hardly have a family and fit em i a nova,safly can you,
now i may be old fashioned or you lot are loners,(no afence)but all my mates who are over 20 sell there hatchs as they are starting family.
fine if you dont want a family but,i wuld never take ne of my kids in a nova,
as i said it could just be my group of friends and the people i work with but you have made a valid point about parts,but then again,we are talking about cars which are seen in the trade as "bangers" unless there somethi different sr-,sri,gte,gsi.
so i want you to tell me whats wrong with asking for help instead of bodging something????
no mate i think your the one with the wallpaper
you probley think bout ya nova wen ya w******
im sorry but if you going to slag me off for my opions then ya surly dropping to my level.
any how most of the people i spoken to on here,expect rob the zorst man and the guy after the kit
seem to think there cars are more important than relationshisp.DUH get a life,
im sorry if i affend ppl with my opions,its not ment to be seen like that but i do work in with cars,built a number of kit cars a rebuilt quite a few classic cars,
now my idea of cars is not to have computers contoling things,yet if this is the way to go then fine,
but really whats wrong with asking for help with something you dont understand?????
and any one who has cars as there wallpaper is really sad,
im sure im going to get a nasty reaction from you two,but i dont really care.a
at the end of the day ITS JUST A CAR,something to gwet you around.
its a lump of steel.
and yes i brought a nova one coz i have convections and two because it was either this or lose the girlfriend as she didnt want me having my old VFR back.
so lets see you reactions then boys

dave.gsi
26-07-02, 11:50 PM
sorry whats wrong with asking for help with something you dont understand yet some one else does???????

nothing, but you can't expect ppl to help u when u slag em off and call there cars shit etc


is that the whole point iof this sight to help each other??????????????


yes it is....it isn't helped by the likes of u and others who love nothing better than shit stirring.......also it should be site not sight


now i may be old fashioned or you lot are loners,(no afence)but all my mates who are over 20 sell there hatchs as they are starting family.

i'm twenty in a month, i'm not a loner, i've had gf for 4 yrs and we have absolutely NO intention of starting a family. wtf??? i go to uni, get a good job then maybe 30 odd think of kids. ure only young once...........also when i do have kids i'll have no probs taking them out in a nova, far from it, i'll be encouraging them to take over from me lmao!!.....also it should be offence not afence.


which are seen in the trade as "bangers" unless there somethi different sr-,sri,gte,gsi.


which is what the majority of novaload members drive


any how most of the people i spoken to on here seem to think there cars are more important than relationshisp.DUH get a life,

well thats a fair point, but surely somethings wrong in a relationship if she doesn't like you for who u really are (ie nova mad). ask a girlfriend to give up shopping forever or give up u most would say bye bye.......its like men and novas. my gf would never give me that ultimatum cos she'd be too woried about my reply


i do work in with cars,built a number of kit cars a rebuilt quite a few classic cars,


that explains alot lol, u own a labrador too??


at the end of the day ITS JUST A CAR,something to gwet you around.


it will be a sad day when i mutter those words, prob when i'm seventy lol and can't modify cos of my grandad insuranse company (e sure probs lol)

Rich Dale
27-07-02, 12:30 AM
esure....lol!

Don't you just love flamewars!

Been in a few of these on US forums....hehe!


and any one who has cars as there wallpaper is really sad

Do you mean PC wallpaper or bedroom wallpaper? I must have missed something lol

Ben (lurk75)
27-07-02, 02:39 AM
hayz you are a hypocrit!

now i have VERY limited knowledge of mechanics but i do know that vauxhalls are quite basic and straight forward, so if you do work for saab and have done all what you have done then why do you need to ask us sad loners how to fix your nova that according to you is shit!

now a range rover there is a quality vehicle the last word says it all ROVER lmfao.

dan16v
27-07-02, 12:59 PM
lol hayze just admit you have the supra wall paper! lol go and put ur feet up and light up ur pipe! dont 4get the tartan slippers!

carltoncrazy
27-07-02, 07:34 PM
yes vauxhall maybe be straight forward,but if i aint sure about something before i take it apart and risk doing more damage,i ask for opions.whats wrong wiv that???????
which if i remeber rightly i always say thxs for,
ok i might of put that wrongly,bout y i drive novas
i have alot of convetions and i used to drive an old range rover,but since then i couldnt insuare it,so its in the back gardern.
now i wanted to get back on my old VFR 400 to get to work as it was the only thing i could get insurance on and still have some street cred.
but my lass dint want me killing myself so she sed have my old nova,which i have.
she didnt say me or nova,lets fasce it most of u wuld pick ya lass.
now also remeber that idont have time to sit down all night and take things apart without know what im looking for.
as me and da lass need the car,
so i dont have time to take it off the road for any more than about 6 hrs.
any why am i explain this.
yes most nova`s are banger,mine included,really any thing below a grand is a banger,
and rebuilding old afla`s is not the same as a nova coz the old cars have 2 fuses.where a nova has quite a few.
ok you can say this site dont need people like me,but why.
you scared of people that think differntly than you?
end of the day ive really stired you 2 up aint i.
and i ment like bedroom wall paper.
at the end of the day you can spend thousands on nova,its your choice,
i think spending 2thousand on a turbo is a waste of money,
for a first car as i sed b4 they are gd value,
but when a car thats built like a nova,sarts to get to the age they are,there start costing alot to mantain,welding etc,
yes i knwo some of you may of wax treated the underneither but vaux are well known for rusting round arches +boot and sills.
and i never aimed that comment bout being loners at certain people but most the people who i have delt with would choose there car over a girfriend,and that is pretty sad.
so why are you so scared about my opions,i see cars differently to you lot,and whats wrong with that???????

dave.gsi
27-07-02, 09:35 PM
you say its a waste of time doing up novas cos they are rusty and need welding blah blah blah.......................tell me why then that you thought it be worth your while to restore an old alfa romeo???? surely to god this had rust too??

carltoncrazy
27-07-02, 09:54 PM
because i spent 800 buying it,2k restoring it,then sold it for 6k,
it`s worth doing thw work.
if your intending to keep a nova for say over 5yrs then yes it is worth it,
but MOST,not the word most not all.tend to only have them for a few years.its a waste of money

Ben (lurk75)
27-07-02, 11:34 PM
you were bound to face conflict when you state on a site called "Novaload" that is run by enthusiast's and looked at by thousands of others that there pride and joys are crap and not worth bothering with!

If you dont like vauxhalls that much why didnt you sell the Nova and go and buy another cheap car that is lower to insure (maybe a fiat panda seeing as you enjoy working on alfa's).

You have a valid point that not most people keep a car for more than 5 years but that dosent mean that you have to go and buy a modern car that has no charachter, and would not have the same performance.

And your still a hypocrit!

carltoncrazy
28-07-02, 11:02 AM
coz im on my girlfriend insurance,
no im expressing my opion.

dan16v
28-07-02, 03:51 PM
well this is a bangin subject!! were not getting wound up were just having a laff!
at the end of the day every one has an opinion but i wouldnt go on
range roverload and start saying i only own one coz the sheep fit in nicely would i?!
and if you onlly keep your nova a year then you havnt wasted money coz uve enjoyed ur self with it and hey cmon what is money there for???...wasting!
as for rust etc it can be sorted so wats the big deal? :lol:

carltoncrazy
28-07-02, 04:30 PM
that is the only reason famrers own them.lol
no you can slow rust down but never get rid of it,
you can hide it but not get rid of it.

brian
28-07-02, 05:47 PM
i wouldnt go on
range roverload and start saying i only own one coz the sheep fit in nicely would i?!
LOL :lol: :lol: :lol:

dan16v
28-07-02, 11:08 PM
err u can get rid of rust its called a grinder! let the hacking commence :o

Ben (lurk75)
28-07-02, 11:49 PM
so if you cant get rid of rust ?

that means you bodged up the Alfa and sold it to someone without them knowing?

carltoncrazy
29-07-02, 08:00 PM
no,old alfas are a woodern chassis and frame,
then ali bent round to get the shape and attached to the chassis.
the wood just rots,since the car was 1935,and failed a MOT in 1996,lasted alot longer than any nova,with having major welding done

dave.gsi
29-07-02, 10:55 PM
lmao.........u restore wooden cars!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

fuck hell mate...how old are you? :o [/quote]

Ben (lurk75)
29-07-02, 11:00 PM
i guess thats were the range rover comes in handy, for going into the forest and collecting the wood from the trees!

:lol:

carltoncrazy
29-07-02, 11:04 PM
lol,sadly its to softer wood,
also if ya get done forit its a 2k fine
ouch.
i tried doing that n almost got busted.
lol oh well sh**happens