shafts and number of splines

[philthepill_389]

is the list below correct

gte gsi td,, novas 28 outer 22 inner

1.0 1.2 1.3 1.4,, 22 outer and 22 inner

thanks

[Adam]

No. 1L/1.2/1.3/1.4 have 28 inners.
GTE/TD novas have 22 inners.

MOST gsi's dont have 22spline shafts, they have 28 ones.

[Welsh Dan]

I thought all outers are 28 spline, and its only the inners that vary.

[Adam]

Think your're right there

[matthew172]

gte, early gsi, td novas have 28 outer 22 inner splines

1.0 1.2 1.3 1.4, have 28 outer and 28 inner splines

you can tell by looking at the inner cv joint wether there 22 spliners or not

[philthepill_389]

ok then i have set of nova shaft 22inner and 22outer so i take these are gte late gsi and td yea

thanks

[matthew172]

are you actually counting the no of splines itself with the cvs removed?

they cant be 22 inner and 22 outer, if they are then they must be corsa gsi ones

[Philsutton]

basically whats said above, all novas are 28 outer an gte, td ect are 22 spline inner.

If they are 22 both ends then you have corsa gsi / sport ones

[Adam]

Which wont fit novas

[Philsutton]

You lie so lol, from what people are selling on ebay an advising other people on conversions you wouldnt think that they didnt fit.

[Lee]

Another way to tell is the shafts with the 22 spline inners have a balancing weight on the middle of the longer one. In most cases anyway.

[Philsutton]

or look at the cv joint itself :p, its easy to see which are which without taking apart

[Adam]

We need pics.
There was some a while back, but cant find them.

[Philsutton]

yes indeed, about half the shafts I see on ebay are not 22 spline

[Lee]

Agreed. Even scrappies are none the wiser. When steve ordered his, we ended up with 28 spline shafts instead which fecked us up completely!

I normally look for the balance weight on ebay, if its missing its a good shout its the wrong shaft.

[Philsutton]

Do you know why that is? Its because most people wil count the number of splines on the outer part of the cv joint ( the on that goes into the hub). Ah that brings back memories of 30mins of my life I will never get back, tried to explain this to someone over the phone an they were what can only be described as truely stupid.

[Welsh Dan]

My 1.2 shafts originally had the balancing weight though Lee...

[Philsutton]

someone get pics an all will become clear

[matthew172]

ive got both, a set of gte shafts and a set of 1.4 shafts, ill put them side by side and take a pic, a set of gte 22 spliners is easy spotted without even removing the cv joint

[Adam]

Aye, the cv's a different type.
I just cant actually see the difference in my head, so pics are required :) Lol

[Philsutton]

the part where the Cv boot fixes is smaller on the 22 spline ones where as teh boot is the shape size as the cv joint on the 28 ones

[Lee]

My 1.2 shafts originally had the balancing weight though Lee...

Ive never seen a 28 spline shaft with a balance on it, or the groove it clamps to. Could have had a shaft swap in its past for whatever reason. Also, what year was it? Manufacturers are known to raid the parts bin towards the end of a production run. Ford are best at this, I think they fitted at least 5 different alternators to the MK4 escort lol

[Welsh Dan]

It is a 1990 mark 1. Also its got the 28spline inner cv on that side :).

[Lee]

Interesting that! End of production run though, thats normally when oddities happen.

[alan b]

this is a 22 spline inner! the boot never gets as fat as one normal ones!
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/gteforme/cavpics006.jpg?t=1189539694

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa312/gteforme/cavpics007.jpg?t=1189539598

[Clean 2.0 nova]

My H reg TD had the useless 28 spline inner C.V's. Going against the consensus that TD's had 22 spliners fitted.

[alan b]

it was hit and miss really! what they had in the factory. but maybe someone had them changed before if the c.vs went?

[Adam]

My H reg TD had the useless 28 spline inner C.V's. Going against the consensus that TD's had 22 spliners fitted.
CV's OR SHafts?

[matthew172]

this is the inner end of the 22 spline gte shaft
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/matthew172/Photo-0102_000.jpg

and this is a standard shaft found in later gsi, 1.2, 1.4 etc
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/matthew172/DSC04782.jpg

[philthepill_389]

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s233/GSiiiii/16012008147.jpg
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s233/GSiiiii/16012008146.jpg
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s233/GSiiiii/16012008145.jpg

my " NOVA GSI SHAFT J REG 1991" with balancing weight in the middle ??




http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s233/GSiiiii/16012008149.jpg
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s233/GSiiiii/16012008148.jpg

my CORSA SHAFT 1.2 L REG 1994

so are all small block shafts 28 into gear box and vary on 22 28 into the carrier ??

[matthew172]

both those shafts you posted pics of are 28 spline ones

[L33 LEG]

somebody said that not all gsis had 22splines, was this just random or did it depend on the year, mines a 92. would it of had 22s then you think?

and also, a bit random here but seen as were talking about shafts, if fitting a gsi engine into a 1.4, do i need to swap the hubs over aswell as the shafts? sorry if it sounds stupid Lol.

[Philsutton]

No as the 22 spline part is on the shaft not the part of the cv that goes into the box / hub.

The hub / gearbox spline all stays the same part the big / smal block differences.

[philthepill_389]

thanks phil i was getting the cv mixed up with the shafts i understand now

thanks

[craig green]

GSi's tended not to be fitted with 22 spline shafts.

[Riggy]

^^ as craig said m most gsi's did'nt have them , ive normally found them only on "h" reg ones :thumb:

[GRUNT 16V]

The AMK cataloge lists all 1.6 gte/gsi as having 22 spline

[Lee H]

The AMK cataloge lists all 1.6 gte/gsi as having 22 spline

It must be wrong, as Carl said i've only ever found them on H reg GSi's, the J and K reg ones i've converted have had the 28 spline ones.

[philthepill_389]

so dose that mean if you have got the 22 spline shafts all you have to do is get bigger cv for the larger gear box and conversion kits for hub and cv for outters

[Welsh Dan]

It means that you just need to swap the inner CV's and they'll work.

For a 'big power' engine or track toy though it might be worth fitting the bigger hubs, cv's and shafts that places like Chris Astley sell, if you start tearing up the normal outer CV's.

[Clean 2.0 nova]

CV's OR SHafts?

Inner C.V. joints's

[Adam]

Exactly
Its the SHAFTS that have to have 22splines on the inner end.